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SumHarvest
Profile Joined March 2012
United States15 Posts
March 12 2012 23:39 GMT
#161
What I don't understand is that everyone is getting worked up about the screwed up English itself rather than the post which really didn't make too much sense really.

If anything, I expected people to say "Oh, what a hero. Looking for attention." but I'm reading all this and people are complaining about the butchered English.
Backwards world.
Thy shalt not quote thee!
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
March 12 2012 23:39 GMT
#162
On March 13 2012 07:36 legaton wrote:
A post from E-Sahara:

+ Show Spoiler +
Tout le staff eSahara tient tout d’abord à réitérer ses remerciements à Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov pour tout le travail qu’il a effectué au sein de la structure et tout le temps qu’il a passé à gérer notre équipe Starcraft 2.

Néanmoins, il est bon d’expliquer pourquoi nous en sommes arrivés là aujourd’hui. À ce titre, nous souhaitons rappeler qu’il y a maintenant quelques semaines, des accrochages sont apparus entre Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov et certains joueurs de l'équipe. Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström en a d’ailleurs fait les frais il y a quelques jours, puisqu'il a été renvoyé par Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov, et ce sans raison apparente.

Après enquête, il s'est avéré que Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov a bel et bien abusé de ses pouvoirs de manager afin de régler un conflit personnel avec Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström, et cela au détriment des intérêts d’eSahara.

Une telle pratique étant inacceptable, l’équipe dirigeante d’eSahara a décidé de réintégrer Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström dans l’effectif vendredi 9 mars dernier.

Suite à ce malencontreux événement, Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov, qui n'a bien évidemment pas apprécié que son autorité soit remise en question, a décidé de faire savoir son mécontentement en rédigeant un communiqué indiquant son départ, et cela sans nous en avoir informés au préalable.

Nous apprendrons dans ce communiqué que son départ s’accompagne de celui-ci d’ Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, dont par ailleurs, nous ne comprenons toujours pas les raisons, Artem "Verdi" Avramenko ayant toujours bénéficié de l’intégralité des avantages offerts par notre structure, de la même manière que tous les joueurs portant les couleurs d’eSahara. La raison évoquée dans le communiqué est le non-paiement de son salaire, or Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, qui est eSahara depuis maintenant 6 mois, n’a jamais eu de problème au niveau du versement de sa rémunération, et, nous tenons à le rappeler, il en est de même pour les 15 autres joueurs de notre effectif.

Les raisons du départ de Verdi restent floues. Nous savons cependant qu'il a reçu une offre plus attrayante de la part d'une autre équipe. Nous pensons donc que le motif "salaire" n’était qu’un prétexte pour rejoindre sa nouvelle équipe. Nous avions pourtant placé de grandes espérances dans le potentiel d' Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, en lui laissant par deux fois la chance de réintégrer la structure, alors même qu'il nous avait quittés dans des circonstances similaires, c'est-à-dire sans raisons que nous jugions valables.

La position d’eSahara est donc très claire. Nous estimons tout bonnement inadmissibles que Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov et Artem "Verdi" Avramenko aient décidé de rédiger un communiqué concernant leurs départs, sans en avoir préalablement informé quiconque dans l'équipe dirigeante d'eSahara. Cette action a grandement porté préjudice à notre image, c'est donc pour cette raison que nous avons décidé de geler le salaire de Artem "Verdi" Avramenko jusqu'à nouvel ordre.

Cette affaire prouve une fois encore à quel point Artem "Verdi" Avramenko et Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov manquent de professionnalisme. Ils ne méritaient pas la confiance et l’investissement que nous avions placés en eux.

eSahara fournit à ses joueurs un encadrement et une logistique professionnelle afin d'atteindre des objectifs élevés. Cette annonce a grandement secoué l’ensemble de notre équipe, puisqu'aucun joueur ou membre du staff ne s'était plaint jusqu’alors des conditions offertes par la structure.

Merci d'avoir pris la peine de lire ces explications.
Direction eSahara - eSahara.net

http://www.team-aaa.com/news-21200-0-1-maj_esahara_publie_son_communique.html


E-Sahara explains there was a conflict between one of their players, Satinii, and the manager of the SC2 section, Test. Test abused his position to expel Satinii from the section. After reviewing the actions of both of them, they (read, the owner of E-Sahara) reintegrated Satinii as the manager didn't had the power to take those kind of decisions. Test decided to leave E-Sahara, and he left with his Verdi, a friend of him.

E-Sahara has some really strong words against Verdi, and Test, calling them unprofessional and untrustworthy. They explain they did pay Verdi's salaries, and that they know Verdi received a better offer from another team. Therefore, they think Verdi's announcement was doctored to facilitate his departure from the structure.

E-sports, as dirty as real sports, with 0,0001% the money.


Thank you very much, this clears up what the OP is referencing, I saw Verdi get mentioned in a few posts but forgot what he was the object of.

And if someone could please PM me what InC's 1st post was translated to in proper English I'd be quite happy. I cannot seem to decipher it after a minute of staring.
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ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
March 12 2012 23:42 GMT
#163
On March 13 2012 08:10 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote:
Guys, I'm want make many apology.

In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good.
I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.

Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.

Good luck.

Because it's OK to be racist on EG, as long as you don't use the N-word.

He tried his best at English, and it wasn't that great, so what? Not everyone in this global community has great English.

Glad to see some of this eSahara "drama" get cleared up though, it had me pretty puzzled.

man some people cant take a joke
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krisss
Profile Joined November 2010
Luxembourg305 Posts
March 12 2012 23:43 GMT
#164
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote:
Guys, I'm want make many apology.

In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good.
I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.

Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.

Good luck.


I love it when americans laugh at foreigners for speaking bad english. Especially when its done from some BIG american guy whose girlfriend is known for its participations in beauty competitions. cliché, cliché. USA USA.
life is like fighting a dinosaur.. it's pretty hard.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
March 12 2012 23:43 GMT
#165
On March 13 2012 05:19 iNcontroL wrote:
i is except for what said you by

User was warned for this post



now try saying what he said in Russian...
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
March 12 2012 23:44 GMT
#166
On March 13 2012 08:42 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 08:10 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote:
Guys, I'm want make many apology.

In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good.
I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.

Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.

Good luck.

Because it's OK to be racist on EG, as long as you don't use the N-word.

He tried his best at English, and it wasn't that great, so what? Not everyone in this global community has great English.

Glad to see some of this eSahara "drama" get cleared up though, it had me pretty puzzled.

man some people cant take a joke


lol yea nice joke, as you can see people don't like those kind of jokes and if you fail to see why I'm sorry.
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
March 12 2012 23:44 GMT
#167
do you guys not understand that incontrol is trying to point out how inconsistent people are when it comes to raising the pitchforks and torches?
EG-TL!
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1212 Posts
March 12 2012 23:45 GMT
#168
On March 13 2012 07:35 iNcontroL wrote:
I appreciate your guys support in trying to make everything as serious as is possible <3 I wouldn't want any jokes on TL either, need to keep this place overly serious and really dire.

So entering a serious announcement thread and repeatedly making fun of a foreigner's language now is keeping TL from becoming too dire.

Let's see if this still applies the next time people make ad hominem jokes about Incontrol.
Mutation complete.
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
March 12 2012 23:45 GMT
#169
On March 13 2012 05:19 iNcontroL wrote:
i is except for what said you by

User was warned for this post


It takes some big balls to create a new topic at TL, when you aren´t good at english. So many ppl want to crucify you^^
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Jeremyy
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada182 Posts
March 12 2012 23:46 GMT
#170
Typical unfunny europeans...
Where's the pleasure in that?
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
March 12 2012 23:46 GMT
#171
On March 13 2012 08:46 Jeremyy wrote:
Typical unfunny europeans...


not europeans. just people who like to find any reason to get upset.
EG-TL!
Daoism
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States84 Posts
March 12 2012 23:46 GMT
#172
lol, you'd never guess what this thread is about going by the responses. talk about derailing.
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
March 12 2012 23:47 GMT
#173
On March 13 2012 08:44 Kaitokid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 08:42 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
On March 13 2012 08:10 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote:
Guys, I'm want make many apology.

In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good.
I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.

Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.

Good luck.

Because it's OK to be racist on EG, as long as you don't use the N-word.

He tried his best at English, and it wasn't that great, so what? Not everyone in this global community has great English.

Glad to see some of this eSahara "drama" get cleared up though, it had me pretty puzzled.

man some people cant take a joke


lol yea nice joke, as you can see people don't like those kind of jokes and if you fail to see why I'm sorry.

nope not really cant see why people just need a chill pill sometimes
Most Skilled Current esport Games Scbw>Sc2>Cs1.6>Dota2>Hon>Loopin Louie The Drinking Game>LoL
Jepsyn
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada364 Posts
March 12 2012 23:48 GMT
#174
The high horse that people on temliquid and reddit(lumping it together because its the same thing) is laughable. NOBODY gets offended this easily... if people cant take a joke its THEIR FAULT not the person who told the joke. grow up and grow a backbone people. What the hell ever happened to sticks and stones..

Being offended isnt that bad... nothing happens to you when u are offended. you aren't physically hurt bu being offended. Your just mad for like a day BIG DEAL. suck it up and take a joke
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tWR
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada138 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 23:51:42
March 12 2012 23:49 GMT
#175
Alright I think we all acknowledge that the original post was done in poor English and that is understandable. In a world as diverse as this, there will be many people trying to get across a message in a language they are not fully capable of using (me talking to my in-laws in broken spanish, they smile, and I know my spanish is terrible but they are thankful for the effort). If we continue to make a mockery of the OP then I think we divide the lines between the korean scene and the foreign scene. I mean why would the Koreans want to play with us competitively if all we did was make fun of them while they don't understand.

What I'm trying to get at is, that we should siphon the meaning from the message, but not judge them based on the form of the message because of the their level of understanding of a language. If anything, we should change the message to be better suited for a english audience (like when a translator translates something from Korean to English for us).

iNcontroL in your 'A Decent Proposal' you called us to bond together as a community, please don't forget the courage you instilled in all of us.
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
March 12 2012 23:51 GMT
#176
maybe next time he should do the same kind of joke when WhiteRa announces his next partnership with a new sponsor and see how people react then. lets face it, he just made this comment because its Verdi lol personally I don't like jokes like this even if they are not serious. Pretty sure Verdi didn't find it funny aswell. I think all those EGBurgerman jokes are even worse though...
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 12 2012 23:51 GMT
#177
I didn't even see what Verdi originally said.
No worries!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
March 12 2012 23:52 GMT
#178
On March 13 2012 08:49 tWR wrote:
Alright I think we all acknowledge that the original post was done in poor English and that is understandable. In a world as diverse as this, there will be many people trying to get across a message in a language they do not fully are capable of using (me talking to my in-laws in broken spanish, they smile, and I know my spanish is terrible but they are thankful for the effort). If we continue to make a mockery of the OP then I think we divide the lines between the korean scene and the foreign scene. I mean why would the Koreans want to play with us competitively if all we did was make fun of them while they don't understand.

What I'm trying to get at is, that we should siphon the meaning from the message, but not judge them based on the form of the message because of the their level of understanding of a language. If anything, we should change the message to be better suited for a english audience (like when a translator translates something from Korean to English for us).

iNcontroL in your 'A Decent Proposal' you called us to bond together as a community, please don't forget the courage you instilled in all of us.


you realize this community is split between the people who find any possible reason to be upset and the people who enjoy the stuff that people like incontrol does for us. why can't you just enjoy it? remember that the competitive scene in starcraft 2 is nothing without the players or the fans. isnt this what teamliquid is all about? people just need to chill the fuck out because its really no fuckin big deal. i dont get why everyone is trying to make it look like they are smarter than other people just for the sake of doing it.
EG-TL!
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
March 12 2012 23:56 GMT
#179
On March 13 2012 08:39 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 08:35 openbox1 wrote:
Actually this thread is quite interesting. If you examine the posts that got warned, temp and perm banned, apparently, the following triggers are followed by the mods:

Get you warned:
mocking another person with minimal vulgarity

Get you temp banned:
any post with EGBurgerman. (where did this come from I wonder)

Get you perm banned:
homosexual slurs
offensive remarks about Incontrol's recent weakness in broadcasted matches attached with vulgarities
remarks on Incontrol's personal attributes

and yet, one post mentioned the n-word and slipped through the mod's oversight.

Interesting.


Nestea called him BurgerMan. If Boxer can rename Idra into Grack, then Nestea can rename iNcontroL into BurgerMan. I don't think it should be a bannable offense to call him that considering that it's an inside joke from State of the Game/Nestea.


thank you!
Enzymatic
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1301 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 00:03:34
March 12 2012 23:56 GMT
#180
On March 13 2012 08:52 pt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 08:49 tWR wrote:
Alright I think we all acknowledge that the original post was done in poor English and that is understandable. In a world as diverse as this, there will be many people trying to get across a message in a language they do not fully are capable of using (me talking to my in-laws in broken spanish, they smile, and I know my spanish is terrible but they are thankful for the effort). If we continue to make a mockery of the OP then I think we divide the lines between the korean scene and the foreign scene. I mean why would the Koreans want to play with us competitively if all we did was make fun of them while they don't understand.

What I'm trying to get at is, that we should siphon the meaning from the message, but not judge them based on the form of the message because of the their level of understanding of a language. If anything, we should change the message to be better suited for a english audience (like when a translator translates something from Korean to English for us).

iNcontroL in your 'A Decent Proposal' you called us to bond together as a community, please don't forget the courage you instilled in all of us.


you realize this community is split between the people who find any possible reason to be upset and the people who enjoy the stuff that people like incontrol does for us. why can't you just enjoy it? remember that the competitive scene in starcraft 2 is nothing without the players or the fans. isnt this what teamliquid is all about? people just need to chill the fuck out because its really no fuckin big deal. i dont get why everyone is trying to make it look like they are smarter than other people just for the sake of doing it.


Different people have different opinions. You have what is called an "opinion", or "stance" on a particular matter. Not everyone will share your point of view. Please stop with these dumb posts and making us americans look ignorant just because you lack the understanding of what an opinion is.

To the vast majority of people worldwide on here, I am already perceived as dumb just because of the country stated above all my posts. I don't need you to make that stereotype worse.
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