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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations.
instantdry
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada308 Posts
March 09 2012 00:53 GMT
#1041
looks like Teamliquid is the new Sherdog
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
March 09 2012 00:53 GMT
#1042
On March 09 2012 09:48 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:46 zul wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:43 dAPhREAk wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:41 zul wrote:
@djWHEAT: I'm really embarrassed for those actively taking part in witch hunts for no reason other than to straight up cause harm to a single person.

@djWHEAT: You already hit someone square in the jaw... do you really have to kick them in the fucking nuts while they are down?
‏
Word!


except its not a witch hunt. everything he was accused of has now been admitted, right? we are just waiting for judgment from EG.

it is a fucking witch hunt. He said some shit to someone on the sc2 ladder, in private. And now totally unrelated people want him to get fired from his job???

thats not a witch hunt. witch hunts are where people are accused of witchcraft and everyone throws bullshit claims in there to support it (none of which are actually true, or even related to witchcraft). orb was accused of using insensitive language, and for the most part it looks it is true as he has admitted it.

Some people are arguing that raging in a game using offensive language doesn't make one a racist (which a lot of people are saying he is). From that perspective it is a witch hunt.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 09 2012 00:53 GMT
#1043
On March 09 2012 09:47 HeeroFX wrote:
well tonights EG master cup cast is by incontrol and machine

Good!
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
March 09 2012 00:53 GMT
#1044
If that's who he is, fine. That's okay. There are impulsive and angry people in the community already. He'll just be another. I'm unclear as to his relationship with EG prior to this incident. I'm assuming that he is employed.

If that is the case, and I were Alex, he'd be fired already. That kind of behavior is unacceptable, and I would never want someone like that to represent my organization. It's not just what he did on ladder. It's everything after that. Specifically, an inability to take responsibility for his own actions. Childish, immature, unprofessional, unacceptable.

Again, everything he did isn't the worst thing in the world, but I would never have him represent my organization. He's fine to go on and do his own thing.
Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
March 09 2012 00:53 GMT
#1045
On March 09 2012 09:34 CCa1ss1e wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:16 HuKPOWA wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:12 Whatson wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:10 Vysage wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:06 shinyA wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:00 Vysage wrote:
Holy shit why do people care so much about a few words some dude says on the internet? Christ, this is so insignificant. Please please please explain to me how this would affect anyone in real life. People get angry and then they say things to express it. That's it. Nothing more. If you're letting something as stupid as this keep you from enjoying the game and its community, you live a sad life and I hope you get your priorities in order.

Yeah because my feelings on whether or not it's appropriate for the people who are representing esports to the masses to hatefully use the words 'nigger' and 'faggot' is a direct representation of my lifes priorities.

It's so funny because the same people who say "it's just the internet, who cares!" are the same ones saying "support esports, make esports grow, we love esports!". You're on a site dedicated to StarCraft 2, Orb ( as sad as it is ) represents a huge orginzation that is vital to the growth of StarCraft and eSports in general. When he acts like the immature, raging, ignorant child that he is ( seriously why did they hire him ) it reflects horribly on both SC and eSports. If you can't understand that then I don't know what to say.

Do you think any of EG's sponsors would be happy about this? No. Do you think this is something that EG is happy about? No. Do you think that in the future when sponsors look at EG's past employees that this is something that is going to make them want to invest in them? No.


Uh, when orb is at home playing ladder games, that's his personal life. Nothing of that should be connected to his work. If you don't want to see him enjoying his free time, don't hunt him down, don't watch his stream.

Vysage, you get it. Thank you so freaking much. People aren't forced to watch his stream or hear his casts.


God ur dumb...imagine Day9 saying the N word...AT ALL!!!!
Please learn what being a professional is before u type anything....an NFL player would get kicked off a team if he publicly said the N word


I agree.. In my opinion.. it doesn't matter if he's streaming on his own time or not.. he represents for EG and eSports.. this was completely unnecessary. I raged a lot in BW BGH and UT99.. but this whole being in the spotlight thing is so much different. I'd EASILY be able to restrain myself from explosions like that.. I'd just be so damned happy to be involved in esports, even at his level. While I re-read this, it seems difficult. I mean, sure, I guess he IS on his own time.. but streaming seems like a mix of work/play.. I dunno what I'm trying to say, but, if it were me and I was streaming, even to only a dozen people.. if I was involved in eSports like orb and I was laddering, while streaming.. I'd be pretty damned careful.

Anyway.. may the force be with you.

XD


You're funny!
So if its in the spotlight is all the sudden so much different? How the fuck does that work?
By that thinking making racial slurs in private is fine?
People take offense to it because it morally degrading. Shouldn't something that is morally incorrect be just as bad in private as in public?
Kind of like saying rape is OK if its never made public but the fact you made the news everyone jumps on the bandwagon and it "so different"....


En Taro Adun, Executor!
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
March 09 2012 00:54 GMT
#1046
On March 09 2012 09:49 quistador wrote:
Does anyone else think it's funny that the use of the word "nigger" makes you racists?

Dumb people be dumb... there is a lot more that goes into racism, and orb has not come close.


Saying "nigger" doesn't make you a racist. But most racists do like to say "nigger". Using that word opens you up to being possibly labeled a racist. So if you don't want to be mistakenly labeled a racist, don't use "nigger". It's actually quite simple.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
March 09 2012 00:54 GMT
#1047
On March 09 2012 09:51 Shebuha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:47 HeeroFX wrote:
well tonights EG master cup cast is by incontrol and machine

That's going to be nice, thanks!

This thread is a storm of crazy. lol ohh Orb...





yeah honestly i don't like orb's casting. I liked how last season was with DJWheat and idra/incontrol/painuser. But Wheat was prolly getting destroyed with how busy he was, so they hired Orb.
jnsjr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States461 Posts
March 09 2012 00:54 GMT
#1048
On March 09 2012 09:29 mapleleafs791 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:07 Bayyne wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:06 Orracle wrote:
I don't watch his stream, nor do I like him, but I don't give a shit what some one says. Every other game on battle.net, regardless of win or lose, a person generally PMs me with something such as "ez u faget". This is no different. If you don't like his language, don't watch his stream, but making drama threads like this is uncalled for. No different than Jessica calling out Dragon publicly.


Brother, you and I are in the small minority. I agree with you, but I think this is too late.


This is the truth but Orb isnt some random guy anymore. Im black and while i am not offended to the point of raging i have lost some respect for him.

1. If you make racist jokes (which i do) you do them in private with people that actually know your not racist.

2. Calling someone a jew for being cheap or black for listing to hip hop a shitton is different than calling someone a stupid kike / fucking nigger when your pissed at them and are trying to be intentionally demeaning. That is inexcusable.

3. If you dont understand the context of black people using the n word around each other then get out. I NEVER use the n word and i dont like it, but a black person saying IS different from another race saying it for a reason. Trying to justify its use by saying i hear black comics and rap artists saying it is stupid. Iv heard white comics make black jokes and they were well received context and reputation matter ALOT.

If he said "lol my friends so jewish he didnt pick up the tab" its poking fun at racial stereotypes in the right environment.
If he said "fucking jewish piece of shit nigger strat" (which is pretty much what he did) its much different.

As little as this actually offends me, reading the responses/rationale of people in this thread leads my to one conclusion.
TL is full of young white kids that are either to immature to understand whats going on or people really take racism too lightly.

I make gay/black/asian jokes and i dont think someone should be crucified for a private statement, but a gay/black/asian jokes (even if it is stereotype based) is much different than calling someone a fucking nigger/jew/faggot for no reason other than to demean/offend them. And when you represent the community shit like this doesn't fly.

I still dont think he is racist but he has lost alot of my respect if he needs to resort to racial slurs every time he loses. It seems pretty immature. Destiny is the same for me and since i dont watch either of their streams i dont really care since i can ignore it. But he represents SC2 and EG so i do have a problem with it.

TLDR: Race shit is always touchy, if you a public figure you cant EVER do it without expecting backlash so be careful. I dont think orb and destiny are racist but i dont have alot of respect for people that try to defend using racial/sexual slurs to crush someone spirits. Race jokes im ok with but calling someone a fucking (insert racial term) when your mad at them is ridiculous. Calling someone a jew for begin cheap is alot different than calling someone a piece of shit kike because your pissed at them. Additionally, sponsors care so you cant just run your mouth when your're attached to a company

Edit: I think alot of people are overreacting, but alot of people are also under reacting


I agree 100%. It is disheartening that people can't see this. I don't know if its immaturity or lack of experience. And yes, I am also Black.
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skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 00:55:09
March 09 2012 00:54 GMT
#1049
He said he was going to go pack abowl aka smoke weed but there no issues about that!? lol i couldnt imagine an employeer wanting everybody to know that about there employees doing illegal drugs
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 09 2012 00:55 GMT
#1050
On March 09 2012 09:53 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:48 dAPhREAk wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:46 zul wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:43 dAPhREAk wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:41 zul wrote:
@djWHEAT: I'm really embarrassed for those actively taking part in witch hunts for no reason other than to straight up cause harm to a single person.

@djWHEAT: You already hit someone square in the jaw... do you really have to kick them in the fucking nuts while they are down?
‏
Word!


except its not a witch hunt. everything he was accused of has now been admitted, right? we are just waiting for judgment from EG.

it is a fucking witch hunt. He said some shit to someone on the sc2 ladder, in private. And now totally unrelated people want him to get fired from his job???

thats not a witch hunt. witch hunts are where people are accused of witchcraft and everyone throws bullshit claims in there to support it (none of which are actually true, or even related to witchcraft). orb was accused of using insensitive language, and for the most part it looks it is true as he has admitted it.

Some people are arguing that raging in a game using offensive language doesn't make one a racist (which a lot of people are saying he is). From that perspective it is a witch hunt.

well, this thread is a joke. i am just focusing on the op, which accuses orb of various things, which appear to have been proven (for the most part) true. at the end of the day, EG decides what to do.
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
March 09 2012 00:55 GMT
#1051
On March 09 2012 09:53 Energizer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:45 dsousa wrote:
The SC2 community..... axing a caster once per week!

We know drama!


Taking bets for the next caster to get castrated...

My money is on Doa *eyeballs viciously*

No way, it's going to be Gretorp AND Catz... Together! Their brotherly love on NASL stream is sickening!!! *shifty eyes*
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
March 09 2012 00:55 GMT
#1052
On March 09 2012 09:53 Mr Showtime wrote:
If that's who he is, fine. That's okay. There are impulsive and angry people in the community already. He'll just be another. I'm unclear as to his relationship with EG prior to this incident. I'm assuming that he is employed.

If that is the case, and I were Alex, he'd be fired already. That kind of behavior is unacceptable, and I would never want someone like that to represent my organization. It's not just what he did on ladder. It's everything after that. Specifically, an inability to take responsibility for his own actions. Childish, immature, unprofessional, unacceptable.

Again, everything he did isn't the worst thing in the world, but I would never have him represent my organization. He's fine to go on and do his own thing.


While I don't want to touch this thread with a 10 foot pole, your signature is just too appropriate for this thread to not mention it.
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
goldenwitch
Profile Joined August 2010
United States338 Posts
March 09 2012 00:55 GMT
#1053
I feel like quite a few people here seem to be arguing that being angry justifies any action. I don't think it justifies any action.
Quesadilla
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1814 Posts
March 09 2012 00:55 GMT
#1054
This is yet another reason why vets don't frequent anymore.
Make a lot of friends. Wear good clothes. Drink good beer. Love a nice girl.
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
March 09 2012 00:55 GMT
#1055
Mr. Showtime, I just read your signature.......

Is it true that Incontrol said that Koreans say "Rive and Rearn"???? RACISM!!!

HOW CAN HE BE THE FACE OF ESPORTS GUYS WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THIS GUY FOR THE FUTURE OF SC2 YOU CANT MAKE FUN OF HOW NON-ENGLISH SPEAKERS SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!
MethodSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States928 Posts
March 09 2012 00:56 GMT
#1056
On March 09 2012 09:54 skatblast wrote:
He said he was going to go pack abowl aka smoke weed but there no issues about that!? lol i couldnt imagine an employeer wanting everybody to know that about there employees doing illegal drugs


If he's in cali he could easily have a license to smoke. just sayin
Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
March 09 2012 00:56 GMT
#1057
On March 09 2012 09:34 Ressonance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:24 Rorschach wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:18 Ressonance wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:17 Rorschach wrote:
For everyone jumping on the bandwagon and saying he should lose his job over this YOU are killing esports, not the casters or what they say or do with their personal time....

For the love of god please close this thread!

How the fuck is streaming his personal life? geez...



Enlighten me as to how anyone forces you to watch his content?
Tell me also why you must also accept before your watch that the "stream may contain inappropriate content/language and not be suitable for all viewers"?
Like going a bull fight and then bitching about how inhumane it is.
Get off your high horse asshat........

Oh, so you're saying that he can be racist while casting since nobody force you to watch his content. And that would be true if he wasn't with EG and had no relation to any sponsors.


he can be racist while casting sure, doubt he would be casting for very long...
Don't sidestep my point though, no one or anything forces you view any such content.
its a free country

Also his relation to EG came AFTER any of this shit got blown out of proportion...
En Taro Adun, Executor!
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 09 2012 00:56 GMT
#1058
On March 09 2012 09:53 instantdry wrote:
looks like Teamliquid is the new Sherdog


oh god, teamliquid is getting bad but nowhere near sherdog levels yet.
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Chessz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States644 Posts
March 09 2012 00:57 GMT
#1059
preface: I don't think orb should lose his job, if he reevalutes himself and realizes the language he uses actually does harm then I'd be satisfied. I'm not offended.

but WHATS "TRASHIER":

-- Reddit community bringing attention to racist and homophobic slurs by prominent community member who represents the scene

OR

-- TL posters rationalizing the use racist and homophobic slurs?

let's pretend to be educated at least for a moment mk ?
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 00:57:52
March 09 2012 00:57 GMT
#1060
I guess he needs now to kiss Jessie Jackson's ass to be absolved from his sins, southpark like.
Is all this because he said someone was a nigger ? Aren't we overreacting ?
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