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On March 09 2012 09:48 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 09:46 zul wrote:On March 09 2012 09:43 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 09:41 zul wrote:
@djWHEAT: I'm really embarrassed for those actively taking part in witch hunts for no reason other than to straight up cause harm to a single person.
@djWHEAT: You already hit someone square in the jaw... do you really have to kick them in the fucking nuts while they are down?
Word!
except its not a witch hunt. everything he was accused of has now been admitted, right? we are just waiting for judgment from EG. it is a fucking witch hunt. He said some shit to someone on the sc2 ladder, in private. And now totally unrelated people want him to get fired from his job??? thats not a witch hunt. witch hunts are where people are accused of witchcraft and everyone throws bullshit claims in there to support it (none of which are actually true, or even related to witchcraft). orb was accused of using insensitive language, and for the most part it looks it is true as he has admitted it.
but today this term is used metaphorical to explain situations that get blown out of proportion. In earlier times women were called witches because they had red hair, were simply strange or could magicaly cure people, but they were hunted down and burned for being witches. Today it seems to be enough to misbehave in private.
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On March 09 2012 09:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 09:27 sam!zdat wrote:On March 09 2012 09:25 VirgilSC2 wrote:
If you want to persecute every single person who's ever used an inflammatory comment on their stream, or while being played on someone else's stream, or on TeamLiquid I think you'll find yourself left with no foreign scene whatsoever.
Honestly, some crimes aren't worth persecuting. Look at Wal-Mart and CVS, they lose millions a year in petty theft, but they'd lose even more if they persecuted everyone who steals a pack of gum.
It's not persecution. The criminal is irrelevant; the crime is important. Your analogy is stupid. .....calling someone a "nigger" or a "faggot" isn't a crime.
It is in the UK, falls under the Public Order Act 1986
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See...if it was a player who did this, no one would care. But since it's a caster...everyone on teamliquid has to go get their pitchforks. Please close this thread.
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while its highly unprofessional i guess for someone with his community status.. idk what kind of punishment he deserves. Its unprofessional but it is just ladder rage but I guess its stil the point of making a point
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On March 09 2012 09:48 empty.bottle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 09:45 Fadetowhite wrote:
wow when did the starcraft community get so vicious 0o, its not like he is wearing white robes a pointy hat and burning crosses on his web cam. Remember when savior broke a million hearts? thats when
80% of the people complaining probably weren't around when that happened
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On March 09 2012 09:53 Rorschach wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 09:34 CCa1ss1e wrote:On March 09 2012 09:16 HuKPOWA wrote:On March 09 2012 09:12 Whatson wrote:On March 09 2012 09:10 Vysage wrote:On March 09 2012 09:06 shinyA wrote:On March 09 2012 09:00 Vysage wrote:
Holy shit why do people care so much about a few words some dude says on the internet? Christ, this is so insignificant. Please please please explain to me how this would affect anyone in real life. People get angry and then they say things to express it. That's it. Nothing more. If you're letting something as stupid as this keep you from enjoying the game and its community, you live a sad life and I hope you get your priorities in order. Yeah because my feelings on whether or not it's appropriate for the people who are representing esports to the masses to hatefully use the words 'nigger' and 'faggot' is a direct representation of my lifes priorities. It's so funny because the same people who say "it's just the internet, who cares!" are the same ones saying "support esports, make esports grow, we love esports!". You're on a site dedicated to StarCraft 2, Orb ( as sad as it is ) represents a huge orginzation that is vital to the growth of StarCraft and eSports in general. When he acts like the immature, raging, ignorant child that he is ( seriously why did they hire him ) it reflects horribly on both SC and eSports. If you can't understand that then I don't know what to say. Do you think any of EG's sponsors would be happy about this? No. Do you think this is something that EG is happy about? No. Do you think that in the future when sponsors look at EG's past employees that this is something that is going to make them want to invest in them? No. Uh, when orb is at home playing ladder games, that's his personal life. Nothing of that should be connected to his work. If you don't want to see him enjoying his free time, don't hunt him down, don't watch his stream. Vysage, you get it. Thank you so freaking much. People aren't forced to watch his stream or hear his casts. God ur dumb...imagine Day9 saying the N word...AT ALL!!!! Please learn what being a professional is before u type anything....an NFL player would get kicked off a team if he publicly said the N word I agree.. In my opinion.. it doesn't matter if he's streaming on his own time or not.. he represents for EG and eSports.. this was completely unnecessary. I raged a lot in BW BGH and UT99.. but this whole being in the spotlight thing is so much different. I'd EASILY be able to restrain myself from explosions like that.. I'd just be so damned happy to be involved in esports, even at his level. While I re-read this, it seems difficult. I mean, sure, I guess he IS on his own time.. but streaming seems like a mix of work/play.. I dunno what I'm trying to say, but, if it were me and I was streaming, even to only a dozen people.. if I was involved in eSports like orb and I was laddering, while streaming.. I'd be pretty damned careful. Anyway.. may the force be with you. XD You're funny! So if its in the spotlight is all the sudden so much different? How the fuck does that work? By that thinking making racial slurs in private is fine? People take offense to it because it morally degrading. Shouldn't something that is morally incorrect be just as bad in private as in public? Kind of like saying rape is OK if its never made public but the fact you made the news everyone jumps on the bandwagon and it "so different"....
OBVIOUSLY it's not OK at ANY time. My point is that if you're in the spotlight and you have rage issues.. best work your ass off to CONTROL yourself. This display is utter madness.. can't fathom someone in his position to think it OK to behave that way.
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On March 09 2012 09:58 Full.tilt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 09:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:On March 09 2012 09:27 sam!zdat wrote:On March 09 2012 09:25 VirgilSC2 wrote:
If you want to persecute every single person who's ever used an inflammatory comment on their stream, or while being played on someone else's stream, or on TeamLiquid I think you'll find yourself left with no foreign scene whatsoever.
Honestly, some crimes aren't worth persecuting. Look at Wal-Mart and CVS, they lose millions a year in petty theft, but they'd lose even more if they persecuted everyone who steals a pack of gum.
It's not persecution. The criminal is irrelevant; the crime is important. Your analogy is stupid. .....calling someone a "nigger" or a "faggot" isn't a crime. It is in the UK, falls under the Public Order Act 1986
Shouldn't you guys, of all people, have learned something from 1984?
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Do we even know when these particular uhm ''incidents'' occurred? This could have happened months ago whenm orb wasn't with EG and wasn't a professional name. If i just missed something in the op or on reddit feel free to call me an idiot.
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Some people just have too much time on their hands.
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On March 09 2012 09:54 skatblast wrote:
He said he was going to go pack abowl aka smoke weed but there no issues about that!? lol i couldnt imagine an employeer wanting everybody to know that about there employees doing illegal drugs
Not sure where he lives, but its legal in many U.S. states.
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On March 09 2012 09:35 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
After reading all the reddit threads and stuff.. I bid orb's career farewell.
Acting like a prepubescent pre-tween while hosting several community shows AND being under the EG tag doesn't seem wise to me.
You do not deserve to be in such a wonderful community. cy@
Oh my god, get off your high horse.
And judging by a vast majority of the posts in this thread this community is far from "wonderful".
Can't wait for LOL to take over SC2 and asshats like you will have to move on......
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Here is the real deal:
1. This kid is an idiot for using that language as a tagged member of EG. Nothing else you can really say here
2. I bet 90% of the people in this thread aren't black, which means you really have no opinion on the matter that's relevant. Akin to males having an opinion on abortion. It's nice that you care, but in the long run your opinion is worthless.
3. People are seriousness over-reacting to this. He didn't say this during a tournament, he didn't say this to me malicious, and I don't think he said this to be racist. Considering I should be offended by this word, and I am not in this context, I don't think this guy is a racist.
To surmise: WHO.FUCKING.CARES? The only issue at this point is that he lied about it. He should have apologized and moved on. The lying is worse than the word imo
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On March 09 2012 09:51 Neurosis wrote:
lol Starcraft sure brings out the best in people. I've had people claim they would hunt down my family members and kill them. One guy said he was going to go drink draino after he lost. I've seen all sorts of ridiculous racism and garbled rage spam, so, surely it's not surprising that one of the mainstream casters suffers from this problem. I also don't believe that because he used racist words it means he is straight up racist. Anyone that has rage quit before knows you just search for the worst possible words to throw and you launch them. I know I've dropped quite a few homophobic slurs on people after losing and I don't really care either way about one's sexuality.
Doesn't the fact that the worst possible word he could come up with was nigger make him racist? Don't care much for any of this but it will make EG look bad if they don't fire him after their first statement...
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Hi, If you recall the old IdrA rage from early sc2 and when he started streaming he was quite similar to this (Maybe not as far as using the word 'nigger') but he did use faggot, and fuck you, and bitch, and a lot of other foul or derogatory terms. If they let Greg slide, they should give orb a chance as well.
Just my opinion.
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Don't really care about the racial slurs. I just find him stupid for lying to EG about it.
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On March 09 2012 09:50 mapleleafs791 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 09:44 HuKPOWA wrote:On March 09 2012 09:17 Whatson wrote:On March 09 2012 09:16 HuKPOWA wrote:On March 09 2012 09:12 Whatson wrote:On March 09 2012 09:10 Vysage wrote:On March 09 2012 09:06 shinyA wrote:On March 09 2012 09:00 Vysage wrote:
Holy shit why do people care so much about a few words some dude says on the internet? Christ, this is so insignificant. Please please please explain to me how this would affect anyone in real life. People get angry and then they say things to express it. That's it. Nothing more. If you're letting something as stupid as this keep you from enjoying the game and its community, you live a sad life and I hope you get your priorities in order. Yeah because my feelings on whether or not it's appropriate for the people who are representing esports to the masses to hatefully use the words 'nigger' and 'faggot' is a direct representation of my lifes priorities. It's so funny because the same people who say "it's just the internet, who cares!" are the same ones saying "support esports, make esports grow, we love esports!". You're on a site dedicated to StarCraft 2, Orb ( as sad as it is ) represents a huge orginzation that is vital to the growth of StarCraft and eSports in general. When he acts like the immature, raging, ignorant child that he is ( seriously why did they hire him ) it reflects horribly on both SC and eSports. If you can't understand that then I don't know what to say. Do you think any of EG's sponsors would be happy about this? No. Do you think this is something that EG is happy about? No. Do you think that in the future when sponsors look at EG's past employees that this is something that is going to make them want to invest in them? No. Uh, when orb is at home playing ladder games, that's his personal life. Nothing of that should be connected to his work. If you don't want to see him enjoying his free time, don't hunt him down, don't watch his stream. Vysage, you get it. Thank you so freaking much. People aren't forced to watch his stream or hear his casts. God ur dumb...imagine Day9 saying the N word...AT ALL!!!! Please learn what being a professional is before u type anything....an NFL player would get kicked off a team if he publicly said the N word LOL nigger barely means anything anymore, just like being called a chink is just like being called "idiot" or "asshole" these days. So when all the NFL players start cussing in private interviews and shit, they don't get fired... once again...are u dumb? people who think saying the N word and getting away with it should get fired lol...its called being professional...im white and i laugh at people like you Once again i feel like TL is full of 13 year old white kids. Nigger doesnt mean anything anymore? The idea that nigger/chink doenst matter is rediculous. If someone ever said that to me in real life i would have to restrain the urge to punch them out. Its incredibly hurtful if you actually a minority. At least HuKPOWA is intellignet... Edit: this post had nothing to do with orb, im just appalled at how much people think nigger doesn't hurt someone that is actually blacks feeling. after getting called a nigger from someone raging in hockey when i was 14 i can say that i wanted to cry. Condoning the use of shit like this is rediculous.
Are you black or chinese? you say nigger and chink without any hesitation online. But I guess its okay because you're just describing why its not okay for other people to say it right? This is where context is important. You're obviously not using those terms as a racist. I don't think Orb was either.
I do think nigger is still offensive to black people so I agree with you that people condoning it is ridiculous. However, the majority of us are guilty of using offensive words as well. Orb should DEFINITELY receive a heavy punishment for that and for *potentially* lying to EG's management.
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On March 09 2012 10:01 zJayy962 wrote:
Don't really care about the racial slurs. I just find him stupid for lying to EG about it.
This is it in a nutshell.
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On March 09 2012 10:00 Rorschach wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 09:35 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
After reading all the reddit threads and stuff.. I bid orb's career farewell.
Acting like a prepubescent pre-tween while hosting several community shows AND being under the EG tag doesn't seem wise to me.
You do not deserve to be in such a wonderful community. cy@ Oh my god, get off your high horse. And judging by a vast majority of the posts in this thread this community is far from "wonderful". Can't wait for LOL to take over SC2 and asshats like you will have to move on......
LoL has already overtaken starcraft, and we'll be around here forever.
When LoL gets even bigger, we'll take down every single player who does stuff like this by making sure they never get a sponsorship.
Enjoy political correctness. We're overcoming e-sports. LoL, Starcraft, nothing will stand up to this. We're the real world.
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On March 09 2012 09:46 AntiGrav1ty wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 09:40 Azhrei16 wrote:On March 09 2012 09:33 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On March 09 2012 09:22 Azhrei16 wrote:
It's interesting how all of this turns up directly after he joins the EG Lair and starts working with them. I know my opinion will get ripped to shreds but seriously, in so many other countries, something like this wouldn't even warrant a second glance. Here in America, you have to watch literally every single word you say because people are thin-skinned fools and take things way too literally. I will also say people keep using certain words because they know it offends someone. You are wrong. Political correctness in public is taken very seriously in Germany and I doubt it's any diferent in other european countries. Basically the whole bm incident isnt that much of a deal though. He should have apologized and said he's gonna try to keep his temper in the future and nobody would have said anything. Even if he kept raging on his stream. The fact that he lied to his management, tried to cover it up and called all of this slander, attacking the people who posted and then wrote a useless apology when it all came out was just plain stupid. He got himself into this mess and for that he probably deservered the shitstorm thats goin on right now. On the subject of raging: I play Hon a lot and staying calm is often not an option. I rage a lot, i curse, i flame. Still I don't use racial expressions. Why would I? It doesn't improve the rage. Using racial expressions does mean something. I can just as well call someone an asshole. I have heard though that most Europeans think that Americans overreact in terms of swear words in public or on TV. I can understand the political correctness though. Yeah, we dont *beep* out swear words. But given the Nazi history people are extremely sensitive when it comes to racial stuff..
Ah alright then, thank you for clearing that up for me =)
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On March 09 2012 09:50 liberal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 09:46 gold_ wrote:
I hope Orb doesn't apologise, and EG tells all the whiners to go fuck themselves. They don't need guys that wear skirts as fans... lol that's pretty funny, but honestly I did wish the world was like that sometimes. Orb, Limbaugh, Maher... I support everyone's right to say stupid shit if they want to. I can't tell how many people actually get angry at words, and how many people just really enjoy being self-righteous and attacking people.
They do have the right to say stupid shit. And their sponsors and employers have the right to withdraw their support in reponse.
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