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On February 11 2012 03:18 StyLeD wrote:
There's billions of police officers in the world.
There is about 7 billion people in the world, counting all ages and places.
So the number of police officers in the world is far below even a billion.
Just seen WAY too many people with a poor sense of numbers as of late to let them all pass.
As for the topic at hand, it is unfortunate how many lesser intelligent people end up as enforcer of the law, regardless of country. USA however has a history of getting their stories in the spotlight, which is not completely without reason considering their average of, bluntly put, stupid people for some reason is suprisingly high when compared to EU at least.
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what the hell is this thread going to accomplish that any other similar thread hasn't? Hay guyz I found another video! I'm going to post it, I have no idea what the reaction will be, surely not the same as last time!
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On February 11 2012 04:11 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:45 Bagration wrote:
First of all, police brutality and this incident is really sad and messed up. However, the problem of police brutality is an example of a vicious cycle. We tend to hear more stories about police brutality than good deeds by the police, and this affects our general perception of police. For example, in the US a common phrase is "fuck the police", and people often drop it casually. For the police, many of whom risk their lives to ensure public safety, all of them are impacted negatively by the actions of a few brutal police, and thus a gulf emerges between police and populace. When the populace that you are supposed to be protecting is hostile to you, then incidents of police brutality, which increases hostility towards police, etc, until the system is broken. The problem isn't police brutality per se. It's that police routinely defend criminals in unfirom even in the face of overwhelming evidence. The second part of your post is just victim blaming. Police brutality happens because there are assholes who happen to be cops. Hostility is not the issue, getting away with assult is.
lets step back for a moment and consider people who are antisocial and/or sadistic. http://www.psychforums.com/antisocial-personality/
there's a reason positions of power are distrusted and even hated by the common man. the ones you see in prison are half of the antisocial population that exists. the other half have badges. The reasoning is simple, power attracts the corruptible, and those who want to abuse power.
Why do you think in ancient greece, that willfully taking power instead of having it bestowed on you, was considered a condemnable act? Because they knew back then that power is desired by those who want to use it for their own gain at the cost of others. I could give you mounds of psych books and data to elucidate this point, but its really not so necessary for the lay person. pick up a copy of Plato's "Republic".
You know that when they gave psych evaluations to prison inmates and prison guards as an experiment, their outputs were nearly identical? google that.
As to antiscial people, a lot of them are intelligent enough to understand that you pretend to be nice, considerate, caring, and generous in order to reap the rewards. One of those rewards might even be a badge, and then you can use your authority, and the fact that no cop will turn on another, to harass "civvies", beat them, and otherwise generally be like Deezer or CombatEX to them, and they will get away with it.
Think of it as their "golden ticket". the thing they definitely would crave to have. Most of them who are intelligent enough, or have an upbringing that will guide them towards it, will realize that its much better to be unjust and cruel with a badge on your chest than without. In one you get paid to do it, and protected by your organization, in the other you go to prison, and thus have your freedom taken away.
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On February 11 2012 04:13 AmericanUmlaut wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:10 driftme wrote:On February 11 2012 03:49 Chill wrote:On February 11 2012 03:30 GreEny K wrote:On February 11 2012 03:26 Chill wrote:
I can't watch the video at work, but I can say being in diabetic shock is really similar to being drunk. My friend has had to physically hold me down and pour honey in my mouth in the past while I tried to fight him. Dude seriously shouldn't have been driving and should have had his medicalert braclet on. But he still didn't deserve to get beaten :X Is diabetic shock something that can come on quickly? I am just wondering why he was driving in this state, the only explenation (besides stupidity) I can think of is if hit him while he was already driving. Typically not. You can usually feel it coming. In certain circumstances (you mismeasured your insulin, you accidentally took two injections, you haven't eaten, etc.) when you are focused on other things, it can hit pretty sudden and hard. Edit: I have had one situation like this. I started driving, felt 100% fine, and then I could feel it was coming. By the time I pulled off to a convenience store to get some sugar, I was in a very bad state and couldn't drive straight. I don't know why it hit so suddenly that time. Now I usually, but not always, have my insulin and something sugary with me when driving on the highway. The weird thing is they said they found insulin in his pocket. He needed sugar, not insulin.
oh =]
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Oh boy, more time for people to bash cops.
On February 11 2012 03:18 StyLeD wrote:
Anyways, moral is: There's billions of police officers in the world. We seem to have a natural hatred towards police officers because no one posts good stories. No one posts stories about police officers saving lives, or sacrificing themselves for other people.
All we get are "omg police officers are egoists and don't care about other people"! threads...
and yes, one might argue that we don't post feel-good stories involving police officers because that's their duty....but there are just as many police officers dying in the line of duty than corrupt or morally inept ones...I think it's an unfair perspective.
I used to think this was common knowledge, and not even worth stating. Of course everyone knows that the majority of cops are good people who do their job without abuse, and that you only get the news stories for the very rare brutalities.
But not everyone knows this. There are those among us who don't realize the types of selective bias in the media (and forums) and they fall into this trap again and again.
On February 11 2012 02:06 Dbla08 wrote:
its not any different in the u.s, the cops will never ever risk their lives over anyone elses, if they do its the rare 1 in 100,000 cop that takes their job seriously.
Anyone who thinks like this, needs to reevaluate their mindset on ANYTHING and EVERYTHING they THINK they know. Like people who only get their news from Jon Steward or Rush Limbaugh, you are just so manipulated that your mind is no longer a valid instrument for constructive discourse.
Cops are not evil. The majority do things right the majority of the time. I should not have to say this, but apparently it should be repeated every page in every cop thread.
And yes, I hope the policeman who kicked the guy when he was being restrained gets his due punishment. That guy is not worthy to wear the uniform until he gets additional training and whatever punitive measures he is due.
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On February 11 2012 04:22 driftme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:13 AmericanUmlaut wrote:On February 11 2012 04:10 driftme wrote:On February 11 2012 03:49 Chill wrote:On February 11 2012 03:30 GreEny K wrote:On February 11 2012 03:26 Chill wrote:
I can't watch the video at work, but I can say being in diabetic shock is really similar to being drunk. My friend has had to physically hold me down and pour honey in my mouth in the past while I tried to fight him. Dude seriously shouldn't have been driving and should have had his medicalert braclet on. But he still didn't deserve to get beaten :X Is diabetic shock something that can come on quickly? I am just wondering why he was driving in this state, the only explenation (besides stupidity) I can think of is if hit him while he was already driving. Typically not. You can usually feel it coming. In certain circumstances (you mismeasured your insulin, you accidentally took two injections, you haven't eaten, etc.) when you are focused on other things, it can hit pretty sudden and hard. Edit: I have had one situation like this. I started driving, felt 100% fine, and then I could feel it was coming. By the time I pulled off to a convenience store to get some sugar, I was in a very bad state and couldn't drive straight. I don't know why it hit so suddenly that time. Now I usually, but not always, have my insulin and something sugary with me when driving on the highway. The weird thing is they said they found insulin in his pocket. He needed sugar, not insulin. oh =]
And I would take what they said with a grain of salt :p
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On February 11 2012 03:07 Tehs Tehklz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 01:57 bOneSeven wrote:
even tho here in Romania this kind of stuff would never happen Hm...So, I assume you two have statistics showing that the majority of police are corrupt and lazy, right? "1 in 100,000"? You got that number from a peer reviewed journal? Fucking fourteen year olds.
Poliecemen here get prosecuted if they fire their weapon without a specific reason. You basically have to be hacked and slash before you can start shooting the 'bad guys'. It's sad, but that's the legislation here.
I do agree though that they beat up people for no real reason. But they get spat on often times and cursed and they can't do shit. It's 50/50, they only bully homeless/weak people. Shit like I see on TV from US though, never ever.
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wow really....this is why I hate most cops. Givin the chance most of them will be like the guy kicking the guy on the ground in the ribs yelling "stop resisting mother fucker"
this is our police force. The officer who did the kicking should be kicked off the force hopefully jail time if he did indeed break ribs
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On February 11 2012 02:06 Dbla08 wrote:
its not any different in the u.s, the cops will never ever risk their lives over anyone elses, if they do its the rare 1 in 100,000 cop that takes their job seriously. in bigger cities its common knowledge that you need to defend yourself, and call the cops
hmmmm .... I guess NYC must have hit the jackpot of those 1 in 100,000 cops that are willing to risk their lives on 9/11. Im sure your made up statistics are exagerated but c'mon. Don't generalize all cops just because you see a video of a few morons and dont like cops. Im thinking these guys are more the 1 in 100,000 that take advantage of their job.
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On February 11 2012 03:07 Tehs Tehklz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 01:57 bOneSeven wrote:
even tho here in Romania this kind of stuff would never happen Hm...So, I assume you two have statistics showing that the majority of police are corrupt and lazy, right? "1 in 100,000"? You got that number from a peer reviewed journal? Fucking fourteen year olds.
I know its a CSB and all, but I had the chance to go listen to a speaker who works for charities that handle victims of human trafficking here in the united states. One of the more sickening portion of the whole affair was when she was explaining they were going to be releasing a media blitz soon geared towards the houston police department complete with recording where a local brothel that uses trafficked girls ,several of whom escaped to report to the police, is being reported and the vice captain literally said that the brothel, he actually literally calls it that despite knowing they're illegal in texas, wouldn't be shut down on his watch. (several of whom escaped to report to the police).
The location has been working as a brothel for over 30 years despite eye witness accounts of patrons and escaped sex slaves. It was featured in several magazines including the atlantic. The speaker went on to detail that in her time working in the field has ended up with over 180 institutions just in the the south west region that despite having the testimony of rescued trafficked laborers, the police have on record flat out refused to investigate.
There was another similar story where a Houston ADA was working with her, and was summarily beaten in her own city office. Her department ended up refusing to even investigate the action.
I got a little sick to my stomach and during her Q&A asked if the federal arms of law enforcement were a better avenue. It wasn't a better picture, there were accounts of whenever she would get a federal officer who would champion her cause and start making arrests he always be transferred out within weeks.
I really like to think that the police force isn't all dirty scum bags, but I'm starting to think they aren't all squeaky clean.
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I have a feeling if 6 people teamed up on a cop who was in diabetic shock, kicking him into the ground, under the justification that he was "drunk and resisting," the punishment might be more severe somehow.
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On February 11 2012 04:47 Sinensis wrote:
I have a feeling if 6 people teamed up on a cop who was in diabetic shock, kicking him into the ground, under the justification that he was "drunk and resisting," the punishment might be more severe somehow.
No! Cops are our friends.
They're the good guys!
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On February 11 2012 04:48 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:47 Sinensis wrote:
I have a feeling if 6 people teamed up on a cop who was in diabetic shock, kicking him into the ground, under the justification that he was "drunk and resisting," the punishment might be more severe somehow. No! Cops are our friends. They're the good guys!
I don't know any cops personally so I'll avoid broad generalizations about them, like "good" or bad." I do know that these cops shouldn't be cops anymore though. Even if the man were extremely drunk, I have never needed to use excess force to subdue someone that intoxicated. They fight themselves at that point if they want to fight.
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Le sigh. I don't even mind the sensationalist story so much, but the way you guys generalize like fucking crazy, be it against an entire nation or an entire group of people is mind-boggling and a bit depressing.
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