desRow no longer on Team Legion - Page 11

On January 29 2012 05:01 Baum wrote:


IQ isn't determined by genes there are a lot more other factors. You can practice macro, you can practice micro, you can refine your buildorders, you can improve your decision making and work on your mindset. Maybe some have to work harder than others but I don't see why you shouldn't be able to compete given the current skill level.

Shortly after birth, Kim began to display extraordinary intellectual ability. He began speaking at 2 months, could converse fluently by 6 months, and was able to read Korean, Japanese, German, and English by his second birthday. Furthermore, it took him about a month to learn a foreign language. After 7 months he learned concepts of Algebra and could understand concepts of differential calculus. At the age of four, on November 2, 1967, he solved complicated differential and integral calculus problems on Japanese television. Even in early childhood, he began to write poetry and was an amazing painter.

Kim was a guest student of physics at Hanyang University auditing courses from the age of 4 until he was 7. In 1970, at the age of 8, he was invited to the United States by NASA, where he finished his university studies. In 1974, during his university studies, he began his research work at NASA and continued this work until his return to Korea in 1978.
Back in Korea, he decided to switch from physics to civil engineering and received a doctorate in that field. He eventually published about 90 papers on hydraulics in scientific journals. As of 2007 he also serves as adjunct faculty at Chungbuk National University.

On January 10 2012 03:02 GosI[Terran] wrote:
[1/8/2012 12:00:54 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u have revival skype?
[1/8/2012 12:01:22 AM] Musa*: yes
[1/8/2012 12:01:22 AM] Musa*: why
[1/8/2012 12:01:55 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: i want to showmatch him
[1/8/2012 12:01:57 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give it to me plz
[1/8/2012 12:02:22 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: dood
[1/8/2012 12:02:24 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: i see you playing him
[1/8/2012 12:02:27 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give it to meeeeeeee
[1/8/2012 12:28:00 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give ittt
[1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd
[1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd
[1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd
[1/8/2012 12:28:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd
[1/8/2012 12:28:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd
[1/8/2012 12:28:51 AM] Musa*: he
[1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: wont
[1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: play
[1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: u
[1/8/2012 12:46:28 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: stfu
[1/8/2012 12:46:30 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: and give me his skype
[1/8/2012 12:46:30 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: wtf
[1/8/2012 12:46:31 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: so bm
[1/8/2012 12:50:13 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: dont be a dick
[1/8/2012 12:50:14 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: !!!
[1/8/2012 12:51:01 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u didnt even asked him
[1/8/2012 12:51:08 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: im going to shit in your food once u come here
[1/8/2012 12:51:10 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u god damn mexican
[1/8/2012 1:06:51 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: yea get raped by revival poor guy is wasting his time not even getting payed
[1/8/2012 1:06:54 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: at least i want to pay him
[1/8/2012 1:06:56 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: for the showmatch
[1/8/2012 1:09:21 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: ok kid
[1/8/2012 1:09:25 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: time to give it to me
[1/8/2012 1:10:00 AM] Musa*: im not giivng u shit
[1/8/2012 1:11:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: olOLLOLOLOLO
[1/8/2012 1:19:13 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: your bf will have to be kicked if u come here
[1/8/2012 1:19:16 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: its so sad
[1/8/2012 1:38:21 AM] Musa*: ?

On January 10 2012 10:36 BasilForSkin wrote:

Hahaha, wow. I was one of the mods in Revival's chat that was trying to help him out, but he was just being an asshole to us. He even called me a dumbass at some point among other things, and in general was very rude when I was only asking him for information about the showmatch so that I could pass it on to Revival. He never understood that Revival doesn't know who he is and that simply demanding his Skype wouldn't get him anywhere.

Gogo Revival!~

On January 29 2012 08:09 ratzp0li wrote:

oh wow

really?

On January 29 2012 08:26 akalarry wrote:



this is why people don't like him.

On January 29 2012 06:44 sanddbox_sc2 wrote:


This is very far from the truth. The main reason any player is better than another is a) prior experience and b) mentality. If two random people start playing Starcraft 2, and one is better, it doesn't necessarily mean that he has more 'talent' (which is such a vague term that it's essentially useless). Maybe one of them has played other RTS games before; or perhaps one of them was a chess player. Perhaps one does some sort of sport competitively that gives him the competitive mentality needed to rise above his friend. There's no 'Starcraft 2 Skill' attribute in our DNA that we're born with - it's simply a combination of everything we've learned this far. Another example: someone who has studied decision theory and game theory will probably improve at a faster rate than your average player.

A lot of people are talking about IQ, but the truth of the matter is that past an IQ of around 120 IQ stops being correlated with success. True success is a combination of factors, but primarily involves a high enough IQ (120+), an environment that allows focused practice, and the constant reach to improve your skills (once again, deliberate practice).

On January 29 2012 09:25 xrapture wrote:


I made a really long post awhile back about this, let me find it. But basically, I believe the average IQ of a Korean pro gamer is around 120, and higher than the average IQ of a foreign sc2 pro:

What do you guys think?

On January 29 2012 08:26 akalarry wrote:



this is why people don't like him.

On January 29 2012 09:25 xrapture wrote:


I made a really long post awhile back about this, let me find it. But basically, I believe the average IQ of a Korean pro gamer is around 120, and higher than the average IQ of a foreign sc2 pro:


People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.

Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.

For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.

For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.

So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.

Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?

What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.

The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.

Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.

What do you guys think?

On January 29 2012 09:36 dom_dom666 wrote:
I dont get it why he still in korea, he didnt make his proof to deserve to be in korea. + Hes not even participating in tournament wich means no results from him. But its his money/ money of the team. so u can waste it where u want.

On January 29 2012 10:16 Avean wrote:
Some of you guys should take a big reality check. Ive seen him streaming since he started and for me he acts and behaves as a very nice guy. Ive seen him angry a few times but that is due to some major flaming on his chat, trust me its insanely bad. People attacking him about his weight but also talking about suicide and what not. Is it any wonder he sometimes get angry ? 99% of the time he is extremely nice.

Now to the other part of trolls saying he is a "nobody", well he has beaten many pro gamers and is currently masters in korea. He is also living in the gom house. Who are you ? Who are any of you ? This is a guy following a goal, he is doing something for himself. Leave the guy alone geezes. If you guys really dont care about Desrow, why is all i see on TL are threads with hundreds of comments ? You trolls are actually fighting yourselfs.

On January 29 2012 09:25 xrapture wrote:


I made a really long post awhile back about this, let me find it. But basically, I believe the average IQ of a Korean pro gamer is around 120, and higher than the average IQ of a foreign sc2 pro:


People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.

Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.

For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.

For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.

So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.

Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?

What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.

The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.

Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.

What do you guys think?