As many of you have already seen on desRow's twitter, desRow and Team legion have parted ways. This due to problems with housing arrangements. . We are sorry for all the fans of the team and desRow and want to let everyone know that we are still friends here.
Marc-Olivier "desRow" Proulx: I appreciate all the work LgN has done so far to help build the team. At the time, in November when I joined, it was the best thing for me. I wanted to go to Korea and their house would have room for me in March. It didn't bother me that it was a up and coming team because I knew the roster had talent and the staff was hard working. I hope 2012 to be a succesful year for LgN and myself and I hope my fans will continue to support me ^^!
LgN.Darigaz - Team owner desRow has improved a lot since he joined our team. Unfortunately we have reached a fork in the path, and hope that desRow will succeed in his Starcraft 2 career. And I can speak for all of our staff in wishing him good luck.
Marc, we wish you the best of luck in all your future endeavours.
Hm I thought today why he was still on this low profile team. I'm starting to like his stream, doesn't seem that bm anymore, and he seems to be getting pretty good in Korea GL to desrow in finding a new team.
Desrow has the dedication to become really good. Hoping that some team picks him up and wish him the best of luck in the future. (Preferably a team with a teamhouse).
Thank you for that statement. I am pretty sure that he will find an new team. He seems to be an nice guy who really wants to achieve something...although he lacks results.
Why he would be joining Fnatic: 1) Fnatic manager Elroy Pinto said that all new Fnatic transfers goes trough with ToD 2) ToD and Desrow are great friends and are the only protosses at the GOM house
Why he would be joining a korean team: 1) Desrow's at Korea for the longterm. 2) Desrow's good friend with lots of Koreans (Among them FXO and TSL players)
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
On January 28 2012 04:18 Kergy wrote: Good decision from the team.
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
I'm staying in Korea for the rest of my career and I'm the one who decided to leave. LgN was quite surprised today.
question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
On January 28 2012 04:18 Kergy wrote: Good decision from the team.
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
I'm staying in Korea for the rest of my career and I'm the one who decided to leave. LgN was quite surprised today.
On January 28 2012 04:21 copacetic wrote: question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
i really don't understand why that matters to you. If he wants to stay in korea to practice that's his choice. besides, it's common knowledge that practicing in korea is the best way to improve.
On January 28 2012 04:21 copacetic wrote: question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
What are you talking about?
There is a ton of evidence out there of desRow being a pro WC3/DOTA gamer for many years in the scene. In addition he has some legit SC2 accomplishments. Didn't you see when he took a game off IdrA when he got 3rd place in that online cup?
On January 28 2012 04:21 copacetic wrote: question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
Get your facts straight before making this kind of statement. desRow plays on the KR servers and beats high-masters players on a daily basis.
On January 28 2012 04:21 copacetic wrote: question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
What are you talking about?
There is a ton of evidence out there of desRow being a pro WC3/DOTA gamer for many years in the scene. In addition he has some legit SC2 accomplishments. Didn't you see when he took a game off IdrA when he got 3rd place in that online cup?
How do you not know about this?
i hope this is a troll... took a game off idra? wow big stuff... 3rd place in an online cup that prob equated to a max of $50? holy smokes! im stating the obvious and u fan boys are going nuts, relax. It's not news that Desrow is not ever going to win anything major ever, especially not in korea.
On January 28 2012 04:21 copacetic wrote: question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
Get your facts straight before making this kind of statement. desRow plays on the KR servers and beats high-masters players on a daily basis.
actually, he doesnt. he loses to players ranked high masters, and wins vs high diamond/low masters. but good try.
On January 28 2012 04:18 Kergy wrote: Good decision from the team.
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
I'm staying in Korea for the rest of my career and I'm the one who decided to leave. LgN was quite surprised today.
Well that makes more sense, seems like you actually want to move to Korea instead of just 'staying there for a while with a bunch of other foreigners to get better', and that's pretty darn great.
Thanks for clarifying and sorry if I sounded too harsh.
On January 28 2012 04:21 copacetic wrote: question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
Get your facts straight before making this kind of statement. desRow plays on the KR servers and beats high-masters players on a daily basis.
actually, he doesnt. he loses to players ranked high masters, and wins vs high diamond/low masters. but good try.
Why do you come here to only insult a nice hardworking player?
I hope your fitness regime and starcraft II career work out, Des.
On January 28 2012 04:21 copacetic wrote: question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
What are you talking about?
There is a ton of evidence out there of desRow being a pro WC3/DOTA gamer for many years in the scene. In addition he has some legit SC2 accomplishments. Didn't you see when he took a game off IdrA when he got 3rd place in that online cup?
How do you not know about this?
Is taking a game off an established pro really an accomplishment?
On January 28 2012 04:21 copacetic wrote: question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
What are you talking about?
There is a ton of evidence out there of desRow being a pro WC3/DOTA gamer for many years in the scene. In addition he has some legit SC2 accomplishments. Didn't you see when he took a game off IdrA when he got 3rd place in that online cup?
How do you not know about this?
i hope this is a troll... took a game off idra? wow big stuff... 3rd place in an online cup that prob equated to a max of $50? holy smokes! im stating the obvious and u fan boys are going nuts, relax. It's not news that Desrow is not ever going to win anything major ever, especially not in korea.
What the heck? I don't know how that's a troll post. It's facts. I remember he posted his accomplishments and that was one of them. Getting 3rd place in some of these online cups can be pretty tough. IF IdrA was playing in it, then it was probably a serious cup event. He even took a game off of IdrA dude. I'm not making this up desRow himself listed it.
On January 28 2012 04:21 copacetic wrote: question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
Get your facts straight before making this kind of statement. desRow plays on the KR servers and beats high-masters players on a daily basis.
actually, he doesnt. he loses to players ranked high masters, and wins vs high diamond/low masters. but good try.
I saw him take a game of revival who is GM on the KR server and a legit GSL zerg. He wants to stay in Korea and has been improving significantly. And his KR account is definitely high master mmr.
Did you even consider for a moment that someone may simply enjoy Korea more than North America?
Desrow is making the decisions that will allow him to improve the most in the long run. You are just making baseless statements trying to get a rise out of desrow.
Desrow staying in Korea not because there's hope of him becoming a competent pro-gamer who can win tournaments, but because of Korea's healthier and slimmer diet...
On January 28 2012 04:33 Zdrastochye wrote: I don't get it, was the house not big enough for him? Kinda vague.
ouch...
So is he staying in Korea practicing all alone now or what?
Well he's in the GOM house till March, I believe he has been working on securing a place to stay after then in Korea. I don't know where he is in that process though.
On January 28 2012 04:21 copacetic wrote: question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
Get your facts straight before making this kind of statement. desRow plays on the KR servers and beats high-masters players on a daily basis.
actually, he doesnt. he loses to players ranked high masters, and wins vs high diamond/low masters. but good try.
I saw him take a game of revival who is GM on the KR server and a legit GSL zerg. He wants to stay in Korea and has been improving significantly. And his KR account is definitely high master mmr.
Did you even consider for a moment that someone may simply enjoy Korea more than North America?
Desrow is making the decisions that will allow him to improve the most in the long run. You are just making baseless statements trying to get a rise out of desrow.
Grow up
I'm pretty sure Revival 3-0'd him in that show-match.
On January 28 2012 04:21 copacetic wrote: question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
Get your facts straight before making this kind of statement. desRow plays on the KR servers and beats high-masters players on a daily basis.
actually, he doesnt. he loses to players ranked high masters, and wins vs high diamond/low masters. but good try.
I saw him take a game of revival who is GM on the KR server and a legit GSL zerg. He wants to stay in Korea and has been improving significantly. And his KR account is definitely high master mmr.
Did you even consider for a moment that someone may simply enjoy Korea more than North America?
Desrow is making the decisions that will allow him to improve the most in the long run. You are just making baseless statements trying to get a rise out of desrow.
Grow up
I'm pretty sure Revival 3-0'd him in that show-match.
I was referring to a ladder game; it was some time ago honestly, school has eaten heavily into my SC2 time
the dude is awesome, all the haters need to go away. Just let him do his own thing. Turn into his stream or don't. No need to hate on a guy who wants to be a better gamer. Facts don't lie he's shown results. Those results + all the results from WC3/DOTA that people don't even know about shows he's a proven pro gamer.
On January 28 2012 04:33 Zdrastochye wrote: I don't get it, was the house not big enough for him? Kinda vague.
Kinda dickish
What? I saw he might be leaving Legion (small team in the grand scheme of things) for a probably more prominent team who might have better facilities.
It kind of comes across as a shot as desrow's size; but it appears that is a mis interpretation. I'd just edit your post with what you have written above to clarify.
On January 28 2012 04:05 DrPandaPhD wrote: Desrow has the dedication to become really good. Hoping that some team picks him up and wish him the best of luck in the future. (Preferably a team with a teamhouse).
GL!
The team does have a team house in Korea... It currently houses LgN.Boss, LgN.Chita, LgN.Mystic, and LgN.Luxury... However, like the statement says above, They're having housing issues. Thus, they could not house Des there as well.
desrow, please dont let these moronic haters get to you, i believe in you, i know you will be one of the best foreign protoss in the world if you keep up the hard work :D
On January 28 2012 04:28 copacetic wrote: i hope this is a troll... took a game off idra? wow big stuff... 3rd place in an online cup that prob equated to a max of $50? holy smokes! im stating the obvious and u fan boys are going nuts, relax. It's not news that Desrow is not ever going to win anything major ever, especially not in korea.
He's staying in Korea because he values the skill level over there so much that he sees going back to America to practice to be a waste of time because when you're trying to be the best, you have to play the best, and the best players don't play on NA or EU.
It's his life to live, and he's choosing to stay in a country where nobody speaks the same language as him, his first time on his own, with no team to back him up in order to possibly become the best player in the world one day. I'd say he's got some balls for doing that. If it bugs you that much, then I guess you can just be thankful that you wouldn't even dare to think about following through with such an idea yourself, and that the closest you'll ever come to it is to belittle someone else's dreams from the imprint on your couch.
desRow has improved immensely since going over to Korea, I know he will continue to work hard and who knows maybe we'll see him getting into Code A in the near future.
On January 28 2012 04:21 copacetic wrote: question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
What are you talking about?
There is a ton of evidence out there of desRow being a pro WC3/DOTA gamer for many years in the scene. In addition he has some legit SC2 accomplishments. Didn't you see when he took a game off IdrA when he got 3rd place in that online cup?
How do you not know about this?
i hope this is a troll... took a game off idra? wow big stuff... 3rd place in an online cup that prob equated to a max of $50? holy smokes! im stating the obvious and u fan boys are going nuts, relax. It's not news that Desrow is not ever going to win anything major ever, especially not in korea.
What the heck? I don't know how that's a troll post. It's facts. I remember he posted his accomplishments and that was one of them. Getting 3rd place in some of these online cups can be pretty tough. IF IdrA was playing in it, then it was probably a serious cup event. He even took a game off of IdrA dude. I'm not making this up desRow himself listed it.
On January 28 2012 04:21 copacetic wrote: question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
What are you talking about?
There is a ton of evidence out there of desRow being a pro WC3/DOTA gamer for many years in the scene. In addition he has some legit SC2 accomplishments. Didn't you see when he took a game off IdrA when he got 3rd place in that online cup?
How do you not know about this?
i hope this is a troll... took a game off idra? wow big stuff... 3rd place in an online cup that prob equated to a max of $50? holy smokes! im stating the obvious and u fan boys are going nuts, relax. It's not news that Desrow is not ever going to win anything major ever, especially not in korea.
What the heck? I don't know how that's a troll post. It's facts. I remember he posted his accomplishments and that was one of them. Getting 3rd place in some of these online cups can be pretty tough. IF IdrA was playing in it, then it was probably a serious cup event. He even took a game off of IdrA dude. I'm not making this up desRow himself listed it.
On January 28 2012 04:21 copacetic wrote: question - why are u staying in Korea? You were mediocre in NA, did not accomplish anything, how do you honestly expect to even get noticed in Korea? You probably lose to diamond koreans.
What are you talking about?
There is a ton of evidence out there of desRow being a pro WC3/DOTA gamer for many years in the scene. In addition he has some legit SC2 accomplishments. Didn't you see when he took a game off IdrA when he got 3rd place in that online cup?
How do you not know about this?
i hope this is a troll... took a game off idra? wow big stuff... 3rd place in an online cup that prob equated to a max of $50? holy smokes! im stating the obvious and u fan boys are going nuts, relax. It's not news that Desrow is not ever going to win anything major ever, especially not in korea.
What the heck? I don't know how that's a troll post. It's facts. I remember he posted his accomplishments and that was one of them. Getting 3rd place in some of these online cups can be pretty tough. IF IdrA was playing in it, then it was probably a serious cup event. He even took a game off of IdrA dude. I'm not making this up desRow himself listed it.
he took a game off IdrA on ladder with a 4gate
Wow, impressive. A 4 gate.
Sometimes I'm amazed at the memory of some people. Remembering the builds in a match.
On January 28 2012 04:18 Kergy wrote: Good decision from the team.
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
I'm staying in Korea for the rest of my career and I'm the one who decided to leave. LgN was quite surprised today.
Always so classy. Everyone would appreciate being "surprised" with an announcement of an employee quitting.
Ladder doesn't matter. You establish yourself with online cups and then prove yourself in LANs. Until desrow proves anything in a serious online competition he can't be considered a decent pro. Also attacks on this guy's size is kinda low blow. And if he wants to train in Korea thats his prerogative I guess.
Well, I'd hate to say I told you so and sound like a complete dick to legion, but I did mention this happening... and sure enough... it happened :/ I don't think it really matters though, some of the newer pick ups are better received anyway.
On January 28 2012 04:28 copacetic wrote: i hope this is a troll... took a game off idra? wow big stuff... 3rd place in an online cup that prob equated to a max of $50? holy smokes! im stating the obvious and u fan boys are going nuts, relax. It's not news that Desrow is not ever going to win anything major ever, especially not in korea.
He's staying in Korea because he values the skill level over there so much that he sees going back to America to practice to be a waste of time because when you're trying to be the best, you have to play the best, and the best players don't play on NA or EU.
It's his life to live, and he's choosing to stay in a country where nobody speaks the same language as him, his first time on his own, with no team to back him up in order to possibly become the best player in the world one day. I'd say he's got some balls for doing that. If it bugs you that much, then I guess you can just be thankful that you wouldn't even dare to think about following through with such an idea yourself, and that the closest you'll ever come to it is to belittle someone else's dreams from the imprint on your couch.
I'm actually at work making a living, not playing a video game thanks. Also you fanboys need to relax, and read the words instead of whatever tone you think im speaking in. Desrow has not done shit in sc2, not even close. good for him that he went to korea to train, its obviously a better place to play. There's just no point, he doesnt have the talent, he's already proven in NA that he can't even keep up with mediocre players. I myself have played him twice and it wasnt even close... and i dont even consider myself good.
On January 28 2012 04:18 Kergy wrote: Good decision from the team.
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
I'm staying in Korea for the rest of my career and I'm the one who decided to leave. LgN was quite surprised today.
Always so classy. Everyone would appreciate being "surprised" with an announcement of an employee quitting.
Parading the fact that he surprised his team by leaving. If I were an organization, I'd love to work with someone like that!
On January 28 2012 04:18 Kergy wrote: Good decision from the team.
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
I'm staying in Korea for the rest of my career and I'm the one who decided to leave. LgN was quite surprised today.
Always so classy. Everyone would appreciate being "surprised" with an announcement of an employee quitting.
Parading the fact that he surprised his team by leaving. If I were an organization, I'd love to work with someone like that!
We talked it over and tried to make it work don't worry. I didn't leave in a heartbeat, it was something I've been debating with myself for about a week.
On January 28 2012 04:18 Kergy wrote: Good decision from the team.
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
I'm staying in Korea for the rest of my career and I'm the one who decided to leave. LgN was quite surprised today.
Always so classy. Everyone would appreciate being "surprised" with an announcement of an employee quitting.
Parading the fact that he surprised his team by leaving. If I were an organization, I'd love to work with someone like that!
We talked it over and tried to make it work don't worry. I didn't leave in a heartbeat, it was something I've been debating with myself for about a week.
On January 28 2012 04:18 Kergy wrote: Good decision from the team.
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
I do want to state that korean ladder is actually good practice lol. You will improve from it if you are practicing. I don't think what you understand is the korean ladder is not only way superior to EU/NA but if you get practice partners on there it becomes even better. Many pro's have said this btw that on KR you have to try your hardest every game because the players are much better.
I'm not a desrow fan by any means but I respect his passion and dedication to being the best player he can be. I hope he finds a new team soon. Being teamless in Korea is a tough situation.
On January 28 2012 04:18 Kergy wrote: Good decision from the team.
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
I'm staying in Korea for the rest of my career and I'm the one who decided to leave. LgN was quite surprised today.
Always so classy. Everyone would appreciate being "surprised" with an announcement of an employee quitting.
Parading the fact that he surprised his team by leaving. If I were an organization, I'd love to work with someone like that!
We talked it over and tried to make it work don't worry. I didn't leave in a heartbeat, it was something I've been debating with myself for about a week.
thank god, i was really worried
copacetic, do you have anything better to do than to bash on desrow in this thread? Quit being so damn negative without any legitimate reason.
Well, his game has improved massively since he moved to Korea. Say anything you want but he has the dedication to put himself out there and try to make a name for himself, so let him do that. If he doesn't get any results then why does it bother so many people? He's paying for the trip as well, it isn't like he is having someone pay for him.
On January 28 2012 05:35 copacetic wrote: yes i am terrible person for stating the obvious, real sorry fellow TLers
From your posts you came off as extremely arrogant and smug with quipping someone and attempting to essentially tell someone to "fuck off, you're not good enough to do anything". I disagree with this mentality, and so does most of the world. Everyone can progress.
Your points are your opinion, but the improve the way you say it. Being civil goes a long way.
On January 28 2012 05:35 copacetic wrote: yes i am terrible person for stating the obvious, real sorry fellow TLers
You could have just wished him good luck or not said anything. Excuse him for wanting to stay in Korea to at least try to improve his game. If it hurts you so much that he is staying Korea, then I suggest you find some way to plunge the stick from your ass rather than berate somebody on the forums who probably couldn't give two shits about you.
The thing is, I have played desrow twice, beat him silly twice and he bm'ed me once in the game. I dont care for the guy, and this is just me, a person who works 9-5 and doesnt consider myself close to a "good" player. Im stating my opinion, I thought this was allowed on message boards?
I know TL is really strict but i dont think i shouldnt be able to say facts such as "he hasnt accomplished anything" since its a fact.
I was worried about DesRow leaving but it seems he left on his own choice so he obviously has a team lined up or some plan ahead so no reason to really worry about whats going to happen to him.
Good luck in the future, it takes a lot of passion and determination to do what you did going to Korea.
Haters you really need to chill a bit there is no reason at all to attack someone who didn't even do anything to deserve it...
Lol so many Desrow haters mad cause he's staying in Korea, and they ignore the fact that he's rank 10 masters in KR server and has improved probably 100% since he's been in Korea. Keep living your dream dude, Much love.
yeh haters just need to sit da fuck down. S. Korea is definitely the "mecca of e-sports" so if Desrow works hard enough he will obviously get a lot better just from training there + make useful connections, and be in a really good practice environment, and so on and so on.
On January 28 2012 05:45 Kamikiri wrote: I was worried about DesRow leaving but it seems he left on his own choice so he obviously has a team lined up or some plan ahead so no reason to really worry about whats going to happen to him.
Good luck in the future, it takes a lot of passion and determination to do what you did going to Korea.
Haters you really need to chill a bit there is no reason at all to attack someone who didn't even do anything to deserve it...
Edit: To the poster above me, I have never EVER seen DesRow be BM so I have a hard time believing this. I don't watch his stream or anything but I have played with him quite a few times and win or lose he never said anything rude or mean or even left without a GG.
If I am wrong and DesRow is actually BM I am sorry but from what I have seen about him I have a really hard time believing that.
There you go, one of desrow's brag blogs that had been annoying the shit out of every establish TL vets out there, oh if you wanna see some more BM just download those replays.
[...]and this is just me, a person who works 9-5 and doesnt consider myself close to a "good" player
le me guessing you do not like your 9-5 job and your sadness of not beeing able to realize your dreams relates in dumb hate on so who just went: fak this shit Im going pro, korea and so on ? cuz that it sounds like♥
On January 28 2012 04:19 desRow wrote: I'm staying in Korea for the rest of my career and I'm the one who decided to leave.
Good for you man. Prior to your move to Korea I had always seen you as just some strong ladder player who offered affordable coaching to those in need of some help. But now you seem really determined to be the very best you can be. I wish you well
On January 28 2012 05:46 Sublimexx wrote: Lol so many Desrow haters mad cause he's staying in Korea, and they ignore the fact that he's rank 10 masters.
Nobody is saying that what Desrow is doing in Korea isn't admirable but when people question his sc2 play that's not hating, that's reality. 10 masters is a fucking disgrace for a guy who dedicated his life to play this game. I am coplete noob but i try to read and follow as much as i can the sc2 scene. Being 10 masters is complete shit even on korean server. We are not even talking about LAN events that are different world when compared to ladder. I can be completely wrong and stupid in my opinion, but that's what my brain is registering about this whole story.
He will not even make code A, sure he'll improve in Korea, but improving just isn't good enough, it's really a bad idea to move to Korea to pursue pro gaming unless you have the natural talent.
On January 28 2012 04:18 Kergy wrote: Good decision from the team.
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
The level of Korean ladder is way higher than American ladder and Europe ladder .. That is all there is to say. So yes if you play in a ladder which have better players you will improve not only faster but to a higher level. Do not misunderstand me i am not saying players in NA or EU are not good I am just saying ladder in Korean is way better and harder than NA and EU and any player who tried Korean ladder can confirme that for sure !
On January 28 2012 05:45 Kamikiri wrote: I was worried about DesRow leaving but it seems he left on his own choice so he obviously has a team lined up or some plan ahead so no reason to really worry about whats going to happen to him.
Good luck in the future, it takes a lot of passion and determination to do what you did going to Korea.
Haters you really need to chill a bit there is no reason at all to attack someone who didn't even do anything to deserve it...
Edit: To the poster above me, I have never EVER seen DesRow be BM so I have a hard time believing this. I don't watch his stream or anything but I have played with him quite a few times and win or lose he never said anything rude or mean or even left without a GG.
If I am wrong and DesRow is actually BM I am sorry but from what I have seen about him I have a really hard time believing that.
There you go, one of desrow's brag blogs that had been annoying the shit out of every establish TL vets out there, oh if you wanna see some more BM just download those replays.
lol thanks for posting this, just reminds me how much of a fucking loser desrow is. I have no idea how you honestly call yourself a "pro gamer" with this attitude desrow. This is why you get the hate that you're getting, cause you have no respect for real pro gamers, u know, the ones that show results and actually make money off playing the game.
On January 28 2012 04:18 Kergy wrote: Good decision from the team.
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
I'm staying in Korea for the rest of my career and I'm the one who decided to leave. LgN was quite surprised today.
How long do you expect that to be? You must have some time frame in mind.
On January 28 2012 03:44 Team-Legion wrote: Hello TeamLiquid,
As many of you have already seen on desRow's twitter, desRow and Team legion have parted ways. This due to problems with housing arrangements. . We are sorry for all the fans of the team and desRow and want to let everyone know that we are still friends here.
Marc-Olivier "desRow" Proulx: I appreciate all the work LgN has done so far to help build the team. At the time, in November when I joined, it was the best thing for me. I wanted to go to Korea and their house would have room for me in March. It didn't bother me that it was a up and coming team because I knew the roster had talent and the staff was hard working. I hope 2012 to be a succesful year for LgN and myself and I hope my fans will continue to support me ^^!
LgN.Darigaz - Team owner desRow has improved a lot since he joined our team. Unfortunately we have reached a fork in the path, and hope that desRow will succeed in his Starcraft 2 career. And I can speak for all of our staff in wishing him good luck.
Marc, we wish you the best of luck in all your future endeavours.
desRow Fighting! Team Legion Fighting!
.... That looks like a hearty lenghth post from the team owner who sounds like he has no time to show gratification to a player who has been doing it the right way and did everything he could to get the LgN name out. Most empathetic post in ages!
On January 28 2012 04:18 Kergy wrote: Good decision from the team.
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
I'm staying in Korea for the rest of my career and I'm the one who decided to leave. LgN was quite surprised today.
Always so classy. Everyone would appreciate being "surprised" with an announcement of an employee quitting.
Parading the fact that he surprised his team by leaving. If I were an organization, I'd love to work with someone like that!
We talked it over and tried to make it work don't worry. I didn't leave in a heartbeat, it was something I've been debating with myself for about a week.
so what is the reason you left? I'm sure all of your "fans" want an explanation as to why you're possibly moving onto another team again, I mean unless you're planning on keeping it in the dust.
On January 28 2012 05:46 Sublimexx wrote: Lol so many Desrow haters mad cause he's staying in Korea, and they ignore the fact that he's rank 10 masters.
Nobody is saying that what Desrow is doing in Korea isn't admirable but when people question his sc2 play that's not hating, that's reality. 10 masters is a fucking disgrace for a guy who dedicated his life to play this game. I am coplete noob but i try to read and follow as much as i can the sc2 scene. Being 10 masters is complete shit even on korean server. We are not even talking about LAN events that are different world when compared to ladder. I can be completely wrong and stupid in my opinion, but that's what my brain is registering about this whole story.
You do know like jinro goes between ranks 1-5 on korean ladder in MASTERS and at times he has been considered one of the best terran players in the world, even though he has fallen off his game recently.
We are not even talking about LAN events that are different world when compared to ladder
different world. exactly-
so y u care so much about rank 10 masters???
Because good players are very highly ranked without even trying. Do you think MVP cares about ladder? Well, he's ranked #30...in GM, not in his masters division as desrow is.
But at one point, to play SC2 you need something else other than motivation and hard work, and I'm afraid desrow doesn't have this. But may he work the hardest he possibly can, at least he will become the best player he can be.
We are not even talking about LAN events that are different world when compared to ladder
different world. exactly-
so y u care so much about rank 10 masters???
Because good players are very highly ranked without even trying. Do you think MVP cares about ladder? Well, he's ranked #30...in GM, not in his masters division as desrow is.
But at one point, to play SC2 you need something else other than motivation and hard work, and I'm afraid desrow doesn't have this. But may he work the hardest he possibly can, at least he will become the best player he can be.
I actually believe desrow will become really good if he keeps practicing very hard as he is rightnow. He is definitely very motivated.. pretty sure it will be rewarded at some point. Good luck desrow! You're not at the highest level rightnow but keep practicing hard and just think about the game!
On January 28 2012 04:18 Kergy wrote: Good decision from the team.
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
actually... i stayed in korea this summer for 3-4 months and didnt play a single game of sc2. When I got back I went from diamond to top 200 masters with 60% win rate in a month. True story yo.
Heh, how about instead of everyone that is hating on desRow typing what they think is facts. Just shut up and let the man play. Your negativity isn't doing anything to him obviously so your goal is not being accomplished. Also who cares if you're not trying to make a living playing video games like him. This thread is not about you. ALSO I seriously doubt any of you people bashing desRow on how he has not done anything in sc2 have done something yourself? I have never heard of any of you that are bashing desRow. If you can't beat him in 1v1 then why would you talk about his skill level yourself? If he hasn't done anything in Starcraft 2 that does not fit your needs then maybe that is why he is in Korea? Everyone has to start somewhere and desRow is a very good player, and he is only getting better.
On January 28 2012 07:41 Laikan wrote: Heh, how about instead of everyone that is hating on desRow typing what they think is facts. Just shut up and let the man play. Your negativity isn't doing anything to him obviously so your goal is not being accomplished. Also who cares if you're not trying to make a living playing video games like him. This thread is not about you. ALSO I seriously doubt any of you people bashing desRow on how he has not done anything in sc2 have done something yourself? I have never heard of any of you that are bashing desRow. If you can't beat him in 1v1 then why would you talk about his skill level yourself? If he hasn't done anything in Starcraft 2 that does not fit your needs then maybe that is why he is in Korea? Everyone has to start somewhere and desRow is a very good player, and he is only getting better.
Oh hey another notorious 1 post person in a desrow topic, classic
On January 28 2012 07:41 Laikan wrote: Heh, how about instead of everyone that is hating on desRow typing what they think is facts. Just shut up and let the man play. Your negativity isn't doing anything to him obviously so your goal is not being accomplished. Also who cares if you're not trying to make a living playing video games like him. This thread is not about you. ALSO I seriously doubt any of you people bashing desRow on how he has not done anything in sc2 have done something yourself? I have never heard of any of you that are bashing desRow. If you can't beat him in 1v1 then why would you talk about his skill level yourself? If he hasn't done anything in Starcraft 2 that does not fit your needs then maybe that is why he is in Korea? Everyone has to start somewhere and desRow is a very good player, and he is only getting better.
Oh hey another notorious 1 post person in a desrow topic, classic
What does that have to do with it? I agree with him. What about you? You have 300 post less then me.
I think what a lot of people are saying is that you don't simply become a progamer out of want, you need a decent amount of talent to succeed. It's desrow's future and he can do with it as he pleases.
On January 28 2012 07:41 Laikan wrote: Heh, how about instead of everyone that is hating on desRow typing what they think is facts. Just shut up and let the man play. Your negativity isn't doing anything to him obviously so your goal is not being accomplished. Also who cares if you're not trying to make a living playing video games like him. This thread is not about you. ALSO I seriously doubt any of you people bashing desRow on how he has not done anything in sc2 have done something yourself? I have never heard of any of you that are bashing desRow. If you can't beat him in 1v1 then why would you talk about his skill level yourself? If he hasn't done anything in Starcraft 2 that does not fit your needs then maybe that is why he is in Korea? Everyone has to start somewhere and desRow is a very good player, and he is only getting better.
Oh hey another notorious 1 post person in a desrow topic, classic
What does that have to do with it? I agree with him. What about you? You have 300 post less then me.
See how that logic works?
Well the thing is, desrow always has a lot of people posting in his topics with very low postcounts, like <30 and those people only post on his topics as well, so it's kind of general knowledge that these are clones. I'm not saying postcounts are important, and if you had some sense you would've gotten my point. Further more, you are affiliated with team legion so your opinion is not very objective either.
On January 28 2012 07:41 Laikan wrote: Heh, how about instead of everyone that is hating on desRow typing what they think is facts. Just shut up and let the man play. Your negativity isn't doing anything to him obviously so your goal is not being accomplished. Also who cares if you're not trying to make a living playing video games like him. This thread is not about you. ALSO I seriously doubt any of you people bashing desRow on how he has not done anything in sc2 have done something yourself? I have never heard of any of you that are bashing desRow. If you can't beat him in 1v1 then why would you talk about his skill level yourself? If he hasn't done anything in Starcraft 2 that does not fit your needs then maybe that is why he is in Korea? Everyone has to start somewhere and desRow is a very good player, and he is only getting better.
Oh hey another notorious 1 post person in a desrow topic, classic
What does that have to do with it? I agree with him. What about you? You have 300 post less then me.
See how that logic works?
I may be wrong, but I think his point had more to do with Desrow commonly sending his stream viewers to go defend him in any threads where people are bashing on him. In this case, the guy only posting to defend desrow makes this probably another case of that happening.
On January 28 2012 07:41 Laikan wrote: Heh, how about instead of everyone that is hating on desRow typing what they think is facts. Just shut up and let the man play. Your negativity isn't doing anything to him obviously so your goal is not being accomplished. Also who cares if you're not trying to make a living playing video games like him. This thread is not about you. ALSO I seriously doubt any of you people bashing desRow on how he has not done anything in sc2 have done something yourself? I have never heard of any of you that are bashing desRow. If you can't beat him in 1v1 then why would you talk about his skill level yourself? If he hasn't done anything in Starcraft 2 that does not fit your needs then maybe that is why he is in Korea? Everyone has to start somewhere and desRow is a very good player, and he is only getting better.
Oh hey another notorious 1 post person in a desrow topic, classic
What does that have to do with it? I agree with him. What about you? You have 300 post less then me.
See how that logic works?
I may be wrong, but I think his point had more to do with Desrow commonly sending his stream viewers to go defend him in any threads where people are bashing on him. In this case, the guy only posting to defend desrow makes this probably another case of that happening.
And the fact that he probably tells them to go defend him. I highly doubt there's a legion of DesRow fans lurking, ready to make an account in an instant the minute his honor is insulted.
And the fact that he probably tells them to go defend him. I highly doubt there's a legion of DesRow fans lurking, ready to make an account in an instant the minute his honor is insulted.
On January 28 2012 07:41 Laikan wrote: Heh, how about instead of everyone that is hating on desRow typing what they think is facts. Just shut up and let the man play. Your negativity isn't doing anything to him obviously so your goal is not being accomplished. Also who cares if you're not trying to make a living playing video games like him. This thread is not about you. ALSO I seriously doubt any of you people bashing desRow on how he has not done anything in sc2 have done something yourself? I have never heard of any of you that are bashing desRow. If you can't beat him in 1v1 then why would you talk about his skill level yourself? If he hasn't done anything in Starcraft 2 that does not fit your needs then maybe that is why he is in Korea? Everyone has to start somewhere and desRow is a very good player, and he is only getting better.
Oh hey another notorious 1 post person in a desrow topic, classic
What does that have to do with it? I agree with him. What about you? You have 300 post less then me.
See how that logic works?
Well the thing is, desrow always has a lot of people posting in his topics with very low postcounts, like <30 and those people only post on his topics as well, so it's kind of general knowledge that these are clones. I'm not saying postcounts are important, and if you had some sense you would've gotten my point. Further more, you are affiliated with team legion so your opinion is not very objective either.
I've been on the team 3 days, and haven't met desrow. Your "point' is stupid, because he's not a top level player doesn't mean he deserves the stupid, immature hate he's getting. Every NA player announced on the MLG invite list doesn't get shit on as much as desrow and he's in the same level as all of them. It's people like you who circle jerk the korean fanboyism and seem to think that having a flourishing US scene is a bad thing, and shit on players who don't win every major tournament as talent-less nobodies.
Whats the point of having a amateur scene?Whats the point of people playing this game for fun? What's the point of trying to get better? At least some NA people (desrow, shadow come to mind) are trying to make something of themselves in Korea. If you don't like him don't post, or any non-top level player that is. Don't be stupid, a good amateur scene is great for eSports, some people like to see other people do good other then just Koreans.
so much h8te in the world these days, tl peeps be hatin on everything/every1 24/7
chillax and whine about mutas instead, would b much more productive.. no srsly help a brother out, im tryin to make a livin up in this shiznite but muts be too op for me to make some bread in this biz
I would imagine he has some family money or some other means to support himself in Korea (I doubt he has a job there, but it's plausible), so good on him for staying I guess. It's a little strange because he can find his level of competition in NA, but hey the best of the best are in Korea atm, so if that's your goal it's not a bad place to be. I personally don't see him getting there but maybe this is his best chance.
It's kinda like the motto "dress for the job you want, not the one you have."
On January 28 2012 07:41 Laikan wrote: Heh, how about instead of everyone that is hating on desRow typing what they think is facts. Just shut up and let the man play. Your negativity isn't doing anything to him obviously so your goal is not being accomplished. Also who cares if you're not trying to make a living playing video games like him. This thread is not about you. ALSO I seriously doubt any of you people bashing desRow on how he has not done anything in sc2 have done something yourself? I have never heard of any of you that are bashing desRow. If you can't beat him in 1v1 then why would you talk about his skill level yourself? If he hasn't done anything in Starcraft 2 that does not fit your needs then maybe that is why he is in Korea? Everyone has to start somewhere and desRow is a very good player, and he is only getting better.
Oh hey another notorious 1 post person in a desrow topic, classic
What does that have to do with it? I agree with him. What about you? You have 300 post less then me.
See how that logic works?
Well the thing is, desrow always has a lot of people posting in his topics with very low postcounts, like <30 and those people only post on his topics as well, so it's kind of general knowledge that these are clones. I'm not saying postcounts are important, and if you had some sense you would've gotten my point. Further more, you are affiliated with team legion so your opinion is not very objective either.
I've been on the team 3 days, and haven't met desrow. Your "point' is stupid, because he's not a top level player doesn't mean he deserves the stupid, immature hate he's getting. Every NA player announced on the MLG invite list doesn't get shit on as much as desrow and he's in the same level as all of them. It's people like you who circle jerk the korean fanboyism and seem to think that having a flourishing US scene is a bad thing, and shit on players who don't win every major tournament as talent-less nobodies.
Whats the point of having a amateur scene?Whats the point of people playing this game for fun? What's the point of trying to get better? At least some NA people (desrow, shadow come to mind) are trying to make something of themselves in Korea. If you don't like him don't post, or any non-top level player that is. Don't be stupid, a good amateur scene is great for eSports, some people like to see other people do good other then just Koreans.
There are people in the invite list for NA that are a lot better than desRow, just saying.
If you take out the Euros/Koreans playing on the NA qualifier then no, nobody there except kiwikaki who hasn't really done much in recent months. I'm strictly talking about NA players, they are all in the same boat, not just skill wise either.
Des keep doing what you do man. Just don't listen to the hate because their will always be negative people in this world. When you ignore them they will stop just like when a kid wants attention. I don't know you or watch your stream maybe I will get to soon(Have wife and 8 month old son) keeps me busy. I just see you being hated on because your weight or for no reason at all. What will they do if you lose weight lol. No sense in all the immatureness. If you got a dream go for it man. Live life to make you happy not others. I dont care if your the worse NA player your doing what you love and loving what you do. As my quote says keep doing that and everything else will come true man. Isn't that the point of life doing what you love and loving what you do? Keep Happy!!!
desrow has done a lot of dumb shit in the past imo, like bragging about beating pros on ladder like its a big deal and stuff, but i respect him because he had the courage to do what he wanted in life and move to korea. i know thats probably hard to do, so i hope he sticks with it and succeeds. im jelly of him getting coaching from tod all the time
On January 28 2012 09:36 mTwTT1 wrote: so much h8te in the world these days, tl peeps be hatin on everything/every1 24/7
chillax and whine about mutas instead, would b much more productive.. no srsly help a brother out, im tryin to make a livin up in this shiznite but muts be too op for me to make some bread in this biz
this is true. on both accounts. desrow works very hard and is a nice guy. give the guy a break. and protoss needs something to deal with mutas.
at the very VERY least, let us have maps where we can take a third. seriously though, we really need something that can trade favorably with mutalisks.
People who use the word 'hating' or 'haters' generally seem to be very narrow-minded and ignorant. Please stop using this word. I know you guys think there's supporting | hating but it really does go deeper than that.
On January 28 2012 07:41 Laikan wrote: Heh, how about instead of everyone that is hating on desRow typing what they think is facts. Just shut up and let the man play. Your negativity isn't doing anything to him obviously so your goal is not being accomplished. Also who cares if you're not trying to make a living playing video games like him. This thread is not about you. ALSO I seriously doubt any of you people bashing desRow on how he has not done anything in sc2 have done something yourself? I have never heard of any of you that are bashing desRow. If you can't beat him in 1v1 then why would you talk about his skill level yourself? If he hasn't done anything in Starcraft 2 that does not fit your needs then maybe that is why he is in Korea? Everyone has to start somewhere and desRow is a very good player, and he is only getting better.
Oh hey another notorious 1 post person in a desrow topic, classic
What does that have to do with it? I agree with him. What about you? You have 300 post less then me.
See how that logic works?
Well the thing is, desrow always has a lot of people posting in his topics with very low postcounts, like <30 and those people only post on his topics as well, so it's kind of general knowledge that these are clones. I'm not saying postcounts are important, and if you had some sense you would've gotten my point. Further more, you are affiliated with team legion so your opinion is not very objective either.
I've been on the team 3 days, and haven't met desrow. Your "point' is stupid, because he's not a top level player doesn't mean he deserves the stupid, immature hate he's getting. Every NA player announced on the MLG invite list doesn't get shit on as much as desrow and he's in the same level as all of them. It's people like you who circle jerk the korean fanboyism and seem to think that having a flourishing US scene is a bad thing, and shit on players who don't win every major tournament as talent-less nobodies.
Whats the point of having a amateur scene?Whats the point of people playing this game for fun? What's the point of trying to get better? At least some NA people (desrow, shadow come to mind) are trying to make something of themselves in Korea. If you don't like him don't post, or any non-top level player that is. Don't be stupid, a good amateur scene is great for eSports, some people like to see other people do good other then just Koreans.
Do you even know desrow? the reason TL vets here does not like him is because he constantly brags about himself beating big name players, posting replays all over TL without letting his followers know his overall records against all those ppl in his replays that he brag about.
It doesn't mean it is ok for desrow to do this Just because not many of the pros speak up and stand up to desrow, they simply have more class. I on the other hand just another no name noob who is terrible at the game, and I too like desrow just happened to have no class. So i'm doing this for all the other people desrow bragged about beating.
And no this is not hate form me at all, i'm just some guy who loves to watch the world burn, and people pissed off,
On January 28 2012 09:36 mTwTT1 wrote: so much h8te in the world these days, tl peeps be hatin on everything/every1 24/7
chillax and whine about mutas instead, would b much more productive.. no srsly help a brother out, im tryin to make a livin up in this shiznite but muts be too op for me to make some bread in this biz
this is true. on both accounts. desrow works very hard and is a nice guy. give the guy a break. and protoss needs something to deal with mutas.
at the very VERY least, let us have maps where we can take a third. seriously though, we really need something that can trade favorably with mutalisks.
Ever tried high templer storms timing? Or Sage's phoenix control(hard)? Or blink stalkers into storms? Those are all what Korean Protosses have been doing against mutas (I been watching some replay see how they counter mutas).
Anyways gl Desrow please start playing on some tournament really want to see you in MLG.
On January 28 2012 07:41 Laikan wrote: Heh, how about instead of everyone that is hating on desRow typing what they think is facts. Just shut up and let the man play. Your negativity isn't doing anything to him obviously so your goal is not being accomplished. Also who cares if you're not trying to make a living playing video games like him. This thread is not about you. ALSO I seriously doubt any of you people bashing desRow on how he has not done anything in sc2 have done something yourself? I have never heard of any of you that are bashing desRow. If you can't beat him in 1v1 then why would you talk about his skill level yourself? If he hasn't done anything in Starcraft 2 that does not fit your needs then maybe that is why he is in Korea? Everyone has to start somewhere and desRow is a very good player, and he is only getting better.
Oh hey another notorious 1 post person in a desrow topic, classic
What does that have to do with it? I agree with him. What about you? You have 300 post less then me.
See how that logic works?
Well the thing is, desrow always has a lot of people posting in his topics with very low postcounts, like <30 and those people only post on his topics as well, so it's kind of general knowledge that these are clones. I'm not saying postcounts are important, and if you had some sense you would've gotten my point. Further more, you are affiliated with team legion so your opinion is not very objective either.
I've been on the team 3 days, and haven't met desrow. Your "point' is stupid, because he's not a top level player doesn't mean he deserves the stupid, immature hate he's getting. Every NA player announced on the MLG invite list doesn't get shit on as much as desrow and he's in the same level as all of them. It's people like you who circle jerk the korean fanboyism and seem to think that having a flourishing US scene is a bad thing, and shit on players who don't win every major tournament as talent-less nobodies.
Whats the point of having a amateur scene?Whats the point of people playing this game for fun? What's the point of trying to get better? At least some NA people (desrow, shadow come to mind) are trying to make something of themselves in Korea. If you don't like him don't post, or any non-top level player that is. Don't be stupid, a good amateur scene is great for eSports, some people like to see other people do good other then just Koreans.
Do you even know desrow? the reason TL vets here does not like him is because he constantly brags about himself beating big name players, posting replays all over TL without letting his followers know his overall records against all those ppl in his replays that he brag about.
It doesn't mean it is ok for desrow to do this Just because not many of the pros speak up and stand up to desrow, they simply have more class. I on the other hand just another no name noob who is terrible at the game, and I too like desrow just happened to have no class. So i'm doing this for all the other people desrow bragged about beating.
And no this is not hate form me at all, i'm just some guy who loves to watch the world burn, and people pissed off,
I think it's far more likely that you are just a moron. DesRow has posted over and over again that he's a changed person and has demonstrated this change through his actions with the community from when he posted those blogs months ago. What is wrong with him posting replay packs vs pros? That's literally what every single pro does as well (off the top of my head I can recall that KawaiiRice, TeamLiquid members etc.) by request from their fans/community. Get over yourself buddy, lmao. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.
To put it in simple words: You misunderstand the purpose of him posting replay packs - it's not to brag about who he's beaten but rather for people to learn from his builds vs. actual well known players (showing that said builds and playstyle is viable).
I honestly don't know why these threads exist. they're basically just declarations that they've separated along with the generic "we wish the best for the future" announcements from the teams with no actual explanation to any reasons why they split ways.
Can't we just have an official team status thread or something? so people can stop making new threads about every roster change for every team member on every team?
On January 28 2012 13:41 Disengaged wrote: This might be a random comment.
But.
Am I the only one who thinks Desrows voice resembles that of Deezer?
The only commonality I can think of is that they are both french Canadian. Which reminds me of the Idra video where he talks about French Canadians..lol.
Wow, so much drama! Best of luck to desRow, I love his stream, and he seems like a nice guy. Here's hoping that the stay in Korea will help him with both gaming and weight.
[B]On January 28 2012 15:25 TylerThaCreator wrote:I think it's far more likely that you are just a moron. DesRow has posted over and over again that he's a changed person and has demonstrated this change through his actions with the community from when he posted those blogs months ago.
Actions like abusing mods on Korean players Stream to set up matches? O.o
Its like.. i wanna like desrow, he's really committed to doing what he wants to do, he's moved to korea and he's trying his best, and i respect that, but i have yet to see anything that shows he's a "changed person" from that kid that brags about ladder wins & BM's/acts like a dick.
Hopefully one day he'll start achieving things and Earn some respect back on TL. ^_^
Like i said before, im not his fan. But while i was watching his stream with Tod coaching him the other day, i was thinking "Desrow should get into a real team.". I wasnt even thinking about EG or Liquid - or had any idea he was close to part ways with legion-, but a more modest one, like checksix, for example. Even tho he is no Huk, he is whiling to put himself out there, train hard and become a real good player. If he joins a real team - sorry Legion -, he wont lack motivation. Its totally different when a company wants to invest and trust you. I bet he would practice even harder and try to become better faster.
But. please, Desrow, stop making nonsense showmatches. They are not a good way to improve, man. It only hurts your image as a player. And we all know how important image is.
Well the thing is, desrow always has a lot of people posting in his topics with very low postcounts, like <30 and those people only post on his topics as well, so it's kind of general knowledge that these are clones. I'm not saying postcounts are important, and if you had some sense you would've gotten my point. Further more, you are affiliated with team legion so your opinion is not very objective either.
Too bad I'm not a clone. Maybe it's just that I don't stroll Team Liquids forums? When I saw that his fan page on facebook had a link to this I subscribed to post to all the people feeling like they have to bash people like they are any better. Also I am part of The Legion community so it pertains to me. But thank you for feeling like you have to add your worthless opinion as to why I posted here. =]
Edit: Just because we are a part of Team Legion does not make us biased or anything. Our opinions mean just as much as everyone elses, lol. He's not even with us anymore so you make no sense.
On January 28 2012 15:58 Bashion wrote: Like i said before, im not his fan. But while i was watching his stream with Tod coaching him the other day, i was thinking "Desrow should get into a real team.". I wasnt even thinking about EG or Liquid - or had any idea he was close to part ways with legion-, but a more modest one, like checksix, for example. Even tho he is no Huk, he is whiling to put himself out there, train hard and become a real good player. If he joins a real team - sorry Legion -, he wont lack motivation. Its totally different when a company wants to invest and trust you. I bet he would practice even harder and try to become better faster.
But. please, Desrow, stop making nonsense showmatches. They are not a good way to improve, man. It only hurts your image as a player. And we all know how important image is.
Good luck, man.
I'm sure we read over that as Team Legion and don't really take much offence to you saying we are not a "real" team. But if Legion is not a "real" team then I don't know what is... lol
[B]On January 28 2012 15:25 TylerThaCreator wrote:I think it's far more likely that you are just a moron. DesRow has posted over and over again that he's a changed person and has demonstrated this change through his actions with the community from when he posted those blogs months ago.
Actions like abusing mods on Korean players Stream to set up matches? O.o
Its like.. i wanna like desrow, he's really committed to doing what he wants to do, he's moved to korea and he's trying his best, and i respect that, but i have yet to see anything that shows he's a "changed person" from that kid that brags about ladder wins & BM's/acts like a dick.
Hopefully one day he'll start achieving things and Earn some respect back on TL. ^_^
Abusing mods o.o? And yes he has changed. The last "brag blog" was some 6/7 months ago, his play has improved and he doesn't really rage or blame the game anymore. Watch his stream for a while, I haven't seen him "BM/act like a dick" for a very long time. Do you have any recent examples?
i say we give desrow the benefit of the doubt, if indeed he is trying to be a better person and he really wants to step up his game, then lets give him the shot he wants.
On January 28 2012 07:41 Laikan wrote: Heh, how about instead of everyone that is hating on desRow typing what they think is facts. Just shut up and let the man play. Your negativity isn't doing anything to him obviously so your goal is not being accomplished. Also who cares if you're not trying to make a living playing video games like him. This thread is not about you. ALSO I seriously doubt any of you people bashing desRow on how he has not done anything in sc2 have done something yourself? I have never heard of any of you that are bashing desRow. If you can't beat him in 1v1 then why would you talk about his skill level yourself? If he hasn't done anything in Starcraft 2 that does not fit your needs then maybe that is why he is in Korea? Everyone has to start somewhere and desRow is a very good player, and he is only getting better.
Oh hey another notorious 1 post person in a desrow topic, classic
What does that have to do with it? I agree with him. What about you? You have 300 post less then me.
See how that logic works?
Well the thing is, desrow always has a lot of people posting in his topics with very low postcounts, like <30 and those people only post on his topics as well, so it's kind of general knowledge that these are clones. I'm not saying postcounts are important, and if you had some sense you would've gotten my point. Further more, you are affiliated with team legion so your opinion is not very objective either.
I've been on the team 3 days, and haven't met desrow. Your "point' is stupid, because he's not a top level player doesn't mean he deserves the stupid, immature hate he's getting. Every NA player announced on the MLG invite list doesn't get shit on as much as desrow and he's in the same level as all of them. It's people like you who circle jerk the korean fanboyism and seem to think that having a flourishing US scene is a bad thing, and shit on players who don't win every major tournament as talent-less nobodies.
Whats the point of having a amateur scene?Whats the point of people playing this game for fun? What's the point of trying to get better? At least some NA people (desrow, shadow come to mind) are trying to make something of themselves in Korea. If you don't like him don't post, or any non-top level player that is. Don't be stupid, a good amateur scene is great for eSports, some people like to see other people do good other then just Koreans.
Same level as the MLG invites? LOL JOKES EVERYWHERE. Moving to Korea is very clearly not being in the "amateur scene". Pretty sure people who throw everything away for a video game and move to the other side of the world don't consider themselves striving to be amateurs.
For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
On January 28 2012 07:41 Laikan wrote: Heh, how about instead of everyone that is hating on desRow typing what they think is facts. Just shut up and let the man play. Your negativity isn't doing anything to him obviously so your goal is not being accomplished. Also who cares if you're not trying to make a living playing video games like him. This thread is not about you. ALSO I seriously doubt any of you people bashing desRow on how he has not done anything in sc2 have done something yourself? I have never heard of any of you that are bashing desRow. If you can't beat him in 1v1 then why would you talk about his skill level yourself? If he hasn't done anything in Starcraft 2 that does not fit your needs then maybe that is why he is in Korea? Everyone has to start somewhere and desRow is a very good player, and he is only getting better.
Oh hey another notorious 1 post person in a desrow topic, classic
What does that have to do with it? I agree with him. What about you? You have 300 post less then me.
See how that logic works?
Well the thing is, desrow always has a lot of people posting in his topics with very low postcounts, like <30 and those people only post on his topics as well, so it's kind of general knowledge that these are clones. I'm not saying postcounts are important, and if you had some sense you would've gotten my point. Further more, you are affiliated with team legion so your opinion is not very objective either.
I've been on the team 3 days, and haven't met desrow. Your "point' is stupid, because he's not a top level player doesn't mean he deserves the stupid, immature hate he's getting. Every NA player announced on the MLG invite list doesn't get shit on as much as desrow and he's in the same level as all of them. It's people like you who circle jerk the korean fanboyism and seem to think that having a flourishing US scene is a bad thing, and shit on players who don't win every major tournament as talent-less nobodies.
Whats the point of having a amateur scene?Whats the point of people playing this game for fun? What's the point of trying to get better? At least some NA people (desrow, shadow come to mind) are trying to make something of themselves in Korea. If you don't like him don't post, or any non-top level player that is. Don't be stupid, a good amateur scene is great for eSports, some people like to see other people do good other then just Koreans.
Do you even know desrow? the reason TL vets here does not like him is because he constantly brags about himself beating big name players, posting replays all over TL without letting his followers know his overall records against all those ppl in his replays that he brag about.
It doesn't mean it is ok for desrow to do this Just because not many of the pros speak up and stand up to desrow, they simply have more class. I on the other hand just another no name noob who is terrible at the game, and I too like desrow just happened to have no class. So i'm doing this for all the other people desrow bragged about beating.
And no this is not hate form me at all, i'm just some guy who loves to watch the world burn, and people pissed off,
I think it's far more likely that you are just a moron. DesRow has posted over and over again that he's a changed person and has demonstrated this change through his actions with the community from when he posted those blogs months ago. What is wrong with him posting replay packs vs pros? That's literally what every single pro does as well (off the top of my head I can recall that KawaiiRice, TeamLiquid members etc.) by request from their fans/community. Get over yourself buddy, lmao. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.
To put it in simple words: You misunderstand the purpose of him posting replay packs - it's not to brag about who he's beaten but rather for people to learn from his builds vs. actual well known players (showing that said builds and playstyle is viable).
The problem isn't the replay packs. It's the fact that he's too much of a pussy to show losses and wins together.
Well the thing is, desrow always has a lot of people posting in his topics with very low postcounts, like <30 and those people only post on his topics as well, so it's kind of general knowledge that these are clones. I'm not saying postcounts are important, and if you had some sense you would've gotten my point. Further more, you are affiliated with team legion so your opinion is not very objective either.
Too bad I'm not a clone. Maybe it's just that I don't stroll Team Liquids forums? When I saw that his fan page on facebook had a link to this I subscribed to post to all the people feeling like they have to bash people like they are any better. Also I am part of The Legion community so it pertains to me. But thank you for feeling like you have to add your worthless opinion as to why I posted here. =]
Edit: Just because we are a part of Team Legion does not make us biased or anything. Our opinions mean just as much as everyone elses, lol. He's not even with us anymore so you make no sense.
So you are just one of the nameless derps who has his cock in their mouth 24 hours a day. Thanks for your insight.
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
it doesn't matter if you think talent exists or not LOL. You clearly have never actually had skill in anything in your life.
hey desrow, i hope you accomplish your goals in sc2 and life and i wish you the best luck. everyone who is bashing on a person who follows his passion, never had a passion.
To sum this up ..."TL-vets" saying he is a bad player and they dont like him because of some BM and his "attention-whoring".
New Players mostly like him cause he is fighting for his "pro gamer" dream and makes a lot of vlogs streams etc. From my point of view...most people can not handle his constant activity here.
It's just very bm to make a blog every time you beat a pro on ladder, even sheth got a bit angry in one of desrow's topics. But, he said he had changed since then bla bla, wrong, he harassed revival and/or his mods to get him a showmatch against him and was harassing major for revival's skype info. He's still bm, just not on stream and still an attention whore.
On January 28 2012 05:31 CounterOrder wrote: GL desRow.
GL community. You wont survive the hate machine you are. Worse than fucking high schoolers.
Amen! Best of luck to both legion and desrow! People really need to support foreign players more, it's sad seeing so much hate towards really hard working and improving foreign players. -_-
desRow has only replied twice in this thread, which I take as a sign of improvement. That means he's probably practicing and that he no longer cares about what people think about him, which is important if you're going to be competitive at a high level.
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
it doesn't matter if you think talent exists or not LOL. You clearly have never actually had skill in anything in your life.
My skill lies in not BMing in a discussion since it gains no one being mad for something posted on a forum. Christ man, chill out.
What's your skill btw? Being polite is clearly not one of em.
Anyway. Let's see how well it goes for Desrow. Hopefully he'll be able to increase his skill. Otherwise time to pack the bags. Let's see what the future holds for us
On January 28 2012 18:35 DanceOnCreep wrote: hey desrow, i hope you accomplish your goals in sc2 and life and i wish you the best luck. everyone who is bashing on a person who follows his passion, never had a passion.
They are bashing on an asshat, not the player who follows his passion. Just saying.
On January 28 2012 13:35 rei wrote: Do you even know desrow? the reason TL vets here does not like him is because he constantly brags about himself beating big name players, posting replays all over TL without letting his followers know his overall records against all those ppl in his replays that he brag about.
Why are you taking issue with the 5 reply pack links? Its not like he's bragging about beating notable players in those topics just listing some notable players he faced (win or lose). Is posting replay packs (GM/'pro' players) frowned upon here? I'm not sure if you're taking issue with where (forum section) they were posted, the fact there have been 5 topics posted, or something else? Personally I appreciate players such as desrow and illusion making these replay packs and bringing them to our attention with a TL thread. I can't see any of the bragging you described in the OTs of those 5 replay pack links...
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
it doesn't matter if you think talent exists or not LOL. You clearly have never actually had skill in anything in your life.
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Wow that was waaaay to harsh man! Just relax. You really seem to hate or dislike desrow. If you do! just hold it for yourself its better that way.
Im not even a fan, but a lot of the flame posters sound so incredibly retarded it makes my head hurt. Why is he still in Korea? Its on his dime (unless somethings changed), whats it to you? Cmon guys, TL is better than this.
People feel superior because he is chubby, and so they get extra mad jealous when he is training in a korean environment with other pros living the dream while they are not. Its very similar to all the sexist dudes who cannot accept that a girl gets on a pro team while they can not.
Of course people will always hide behind some crude reasoning, but in the end emotionally phrased hate posts simply expose them. Its nothing but jealousy, even if they probably wouldnt even admit it to themselves. If haters were as calm and composed as they try to appear when explaining their pseudo-reasoning then they wouldn't be going on a forum insulting people in the first place ...
gl desrow, hope you continue with playing and streaming good matches, its been pretty fun to watch so far.
On January 28 2012 13:35 rei wrote: Do you even know desrow? the reason TL vets here does not like him is because he constantly brags about himself beating big name players, posting replays all over TL without letting his followers know his overall records against all those ppl in his replays that he brag about.
Why are you taking issue with the 5 reply pack links? Its not like he's bragging about beating notable players in those topics just listing some notable players he faced (win or lose). Is posting replay packs (GM/'pro' players) frowned upon here? I'm not sure if you're taking issue with where (forum section) they were posted, the fact there have been 5 topics posted, or something else? Personally I appreciate players such as desrow and illusion making these replay packs and bringing them to our attention with a TL thread. I can't see any of the bragging you described in the OTs of those 5 replay pack links...
for one he didn't ask for permission from those people whether or not he can post their replays. Second he listed every single player's name on his thread, you think if it's just about sharing his own replays he would have to list every person he has ever beaten? I don't see other people that has any reputation needing to do this "naming all", for example http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302027 I don't see a single name on there. I'm sure Kawiirice's MMR puts him high enough to match up with Code As and Code S in korean server.
and no, all desrow's replays had him winning, why don't you find one of those replays where he lost the game. We at TL are all elites and we can see right through Bullshits and read between lines to gasp people's read intentions. If it was not his intend to brag, how do you explain all the other Blogs he made? these aren't the only links he brags about anything, if you type in desrow on search engine you find way more.
Thx for replying and give me attention, for every time someone reply to me, i will get a chance to take another dump on desrow's ego.
This guy's ego is through the roof. I was watching his stream, and he banned me from stream chat because i mentioned that during the main engagement when his opponent was pushing his natural, he had 1 of his 3 collossi on the map just sitting at the robo. /facepalm
Well it's great to see he's in it for the long term. The main issue is that players aren't willing to put in the necessary time to get better. Although he probably should have waited with going there.
On January 28 2012 13:35 rei wrote: Do you even know desrow? the reason TL vets here does not like him is because he constantly brags about himself beating big name players, posting replays all over TL without letting his followers know his overall records against all those ppl in his replays that he brag about.
Why are you taking issue with the 5 reply pack links? Its not like he's bragging about beating notable players in those topics just listing some notable players he faced (win or lose). Is posting replay packs (GM/'pro' players) frowned upon here? I'm not sure if you're taking issue with where (forum section) they were posted, the fact there have been 5 topics posted, or something else? Personally I appreciate players such as desrow and illusion making these replay packs and bringing them to our attention with a TL thread. I can't see any of the bragging you described in the OTs of those 5 replay pack links...
for one he didn't ask for permission from those people whether or not he can post their replays. Second he listed every single player's name on his thread, you think if it's just about sharing his own replays he would have to list every person he has ever beaten? I don't see other people that has any reputation needing to do this "naming all", for example http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302027 I don't see a single name on there. I'm sure Kawiirice's MMR puts him high enough to match up with Code As and Code S in korean server.
and no, all desrow's replays had him winning, why don't you find one of those replays where he lost the game. We at TL are all elites and we can see right through Bullshits and read between lines to gasp people's read intentions. If it was not his intend to brag, how do you explain all the other Blogs he made? these aren't the only links he brags about anything, if you type in desrow on search engine you find way more.
Thx for replying and give me attention, for every time someone reply to me, i will get a chance to take another dump on desrow's ego.
You are far from representing anything close to a TL vet. Just stop posting, you look like a damn fool. Literally everything you posted was wrong.
1. Why would he need permission to post replays of his own games? Are you serious? Has that EVER been a requirement to posting replays? 2. He puts down names so you know he isn't playing some newbie named rei. 3. Kawaii doesn't put down names because 1. probably doesn't know who they are. 2. There's no point, you know how good Kawaiirice is compared to how good desRow is due to his tourney results. 3. It's the players choice to include replays of them winning or losing...you can learn something from a lost replay but that's more about the players making mistakes at that point rather than build order counters. 4. We already went over how fucking old those blogs are. Why do you keep ignoring this fact?
Q.E.D you should be temp banned already. I don't know how you've managed to post 2k+ times and have 0 common sense. If you want to troll just make a new account on some other forum.
On January 28 2012 04:18 Kergy wrote: Good decision from the team.
I don't understand his decision of staying in Korea; he never got noticed in EU/NA, doesn't speak a single korean word, hangs out with foreigners all the time and all the 'practice' he gets is from ladder. I seriously don't see how somebody would expect to improve like that unless it's the air or water in Korea that makes their players so good, which I don't think is the case.
the ladder is way more competitive in korea than anywhre else and the gom house helps a lot with improving since sc2 is his whole life right now and he can focus purely on starcraft
i'd love to have one special section in the forums for this kind of player-related flame, where not everyone gets temp banned or warned or something :>. i mean, it's often hilarious and as those people expose themselves to the open public, so some sarcasm and satiric critics should be ok. forum guidelines are just too harsh sometimes IMO ^^
On January 28 2012 13:35 rei wrote: Do you even know desrow? the reason TL vets here does not like him is because he constantly brags about himself beating big name players, posting replays all over TL without letting his followers know his overall records against all those ppl in his replays that he brag about.
Why are you taking issue with the 5 reply pack links? Its not like he's bragging about beating notable players in those topics just listing some notable players he faced (win or lose). Is posting replay packs (GM/'pro' players) frowned upon here? I'm not sure if you're taking issue with where (forum section) they were posted, the fact there have been 5 topics posted, or something else? Personally I appreciate players such as desrow and illusion making these replay packs and bringing them to our attention with a TL thread. I can't see any of the bragging you described in the OTs of those 5 replay pack links...
for one he didn't ask for permission from those people whether or not he can post their replays. Second he listed every single player's name on his thread, you think if it's just about sharing his own replays he would have to list every person he has ever beaten? I don't see other people that has any reputation needing to do this "naming all", for example http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302027 I don't see a single name on there. I'm sure Kawiirice's MMR puts him high enough to match up with Code As and Code S in korean server.
and no, all desrow's replays had him winning, why don't you find one of those replays where he lost the game. We at TL are all elites and we can see right through Bullshits and read between lines to gasp people's read intentions. If it was not his intend to brag, how do you explain all the other Blogs he made? these aren't the only links he brags about anything, if you type in desrow on search engine you find way more.
Thx for replying and give me attention, for every time someone reply to me, i will get a chance to take another dump on desrow's ego.
You are far from representing anything close to a TL vet. Just stop posting, you look like a damn fool. Literally everything you posted was wrong.
1. Why would he need permission to post replays of his own games? Are you serious? Has that EVER been a requirement to posting replays? 2. He puts down names so you know he isn't playing some newbie named rei. 3. Kawaii doesn't put down names because 1. probably doesn't know who they are. 2. There's no point, you know how good Kawaiirice is compared to how good desRow is due to his tourney results. 3. It's the players choice to include replays of them winning or losing...you can learn something from a lost replay but that's more about the players making mistakes at that point rather than build order counters. 4. We already went over how fucking old those blogs are. Why do you keep ignoring this fact?
Q.E.D you should be temp banned already. I don't know how you've managed to post 2k+ times and have 0 common sense. If you want to troll just make a new account on some other forum.
Hatred trumps common sense. I have to agree I dont know close to anything about desrow but those blogs are pretty old when he may or may not have been as well established as a player (I dont know this is just speculation), and theres nothing wrong with wanting to share with people that you've beaten some good players.
It is also perfectly reasonable for people who want to become better known to put down a list of people they played in the replays. Babyknight afaik is a top GM toss (considering he started so late Im quite impressed) and he does the same thing with his replay packs, because hes up and coming, hed like to get featured. Everyone would like to advertise themselves. You know how on TV brands shit on other brands in ads and no one cares? This isnt even close to that, why do you ?
Everyone would like to get noticed. Sometimes they may go about it in an excitable way that ticks people off because they consider themselves "forum vets" which is a great mind you and you deserve whatever perks and respect/leeway you get for being one, but unwarranted hateful bigotry isnt really one of them. You dont really have any good reasons to dislike what hes doing either, so it seems like your actively looking for them which is really really sad.
Why are people being such dicks in this thread? I've heard the name Desrow but I don't know much about him. Is he a BMer or something?
Also:
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
The idea that "talent" doesn't exist is a load of bullshit. Some people are honestly endowed with genes that allow them to have higher potential than others. Kid with a high IQ will always learn quicker than than a kid with a low IQ. If they work just as hard as each other, are you seriously suggesting that they will progress at the same rate? Im not saying you should just stop trying and blame your failures on not being born right. I just think that its naive to believe that were all created equal and that "as long as you just do your best you can be anything you want to be!"
You can't blame desrow for leaving a team that cannot financially assist their players. But I don't think he puts any weight on his commitment to joining a team since he's joined and left many teams in the past.
On January 29 2012 04:34 Supamang wrote: Why are people being such dicks in this thread? I've heard the name Desrow but I don't know much about him. Is he a BMer or something?
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
The idea that "talent" doesn't exist is a load of bullshit. Some people are honestly endowed with genes that allow them to have higher potential than others. Kid with a high IQ will always learn quicker than than a kid with a low IQ. If they work just as hard as each other, are you seriously suggesting that they will progress at the same rate? Im not saying you should just stop trying and blame your failures on not being born right. I just think that its naive to believe that were all created equal and that "as long as you just do your best you can be anything you want to be!"
Meh..he was bm a while ago, but that's like 6-7 months ago when I last heard casters talk about him in a tournament. He's also very big/fat, which is where most of the insults are coming from.
On January 29 2012 04:34 Supamang wrote: Why are people being such dicks in this thread? I've heard the name Desrow but I don't know much about him. Is he a BMer or something?
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
The idea that "talent" doesn't exist is a load of bullshit. Some people are honestly endowed with genes that allow them to have higher potential than others. Kid with a high IQ will always learn quicker than than a kid with a low IQ. If they work just as hard as each other, are you seriously suggesting that they will progress at the same rate? Im not saying you should just stop trying and blame your failures on not being born right. I just think that its naive to believe that were all created equal and that "as long as you just do your best you can be anything you want to be!"
IQ isn't determined by genes there are a lot more other factors. You can practice macro, you can practice micro, you can refine your buildorders, you can improve your decision making and work on your mindset. Maybe some have to work harder than others but I don't see why you shouldn't be able to compete given the current skill level.
I'm not quite sure what desrow has done so wrong (seems like people are saying he is a bit BM) but the way people are talking about him is kind of pathetic. The SC community is better than this. If you don't like the guy, just let it go and don't say anything.
On January 29 2012 04:34 Supamang wrote: Why are people being such dicks in this thread? I've heard the name Desrow but I don't know much about him. Is he a BMer or something?
Also:
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
The idea that "talent" doesn't exist is a load of bullshit. Some people are honestly endowed with genes that allow them to have higher potential than others. Kid with a high IQ will always learn quicker than than a kid with a low IQ. If they work just as hard as each other, are you seriously suggesting that they will progress at the same rate? Im not saying you should just stop trying and blame your failures on not being born right. I just think that its naive to believe that were all created equal and that "as long as you just do your best you can be anything you want to be!"
IQ isn't determined by genes there are a lot more other factors. You can practice macro, you can practice micro, you can refine your buildorders, you can improve your decision making and work on your mindset. Maybe some have to work harder than others but I don't see why you shouldn't be able to compete given the current skill level.
Assuming that natural talent does not exist everyone would start at the same level. We know that is not true.
A lot of people hate desrow just because of his weight which i think is wrong, he may not be the "best" but hes certaintly better than a lot of the North American grand master players. Me personaly I dont really like his attitude, but good luck to him.
On January 29 2012 04:34 Supamang wrote: Why are people being such dicks in this thread? I've heard the name Desrow but I don't know much about him. Is he a BMer or something?
Also:
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
The idea that "talent" doesn't exist is a load of bullshit. Some people are honestly endowed with genes that allow them to have higher potential than others. Kid with a high IQ will always learn quicker than than a kid with a low IQ. If they work just as hard as each other, are you seriously suggesting that they will progress at the same rate? Im not saying you should just stop trying and blame your failures on not being born right. I just think that its naive to believe that were all created equal and that "as long as you just do your best you can be anything you want to be!"
IQ isn't determined by genes there are a lot more other factors. You can practice macro, you can practice micro, you can refine your buildorders, you can improve your decision making and work on your mindset. Maybe some have to work harder than others but I don't see why you shouldn't be able to compete given the current skill level.
Assuming that natural talent does not exist everyone would start at the same level. We know that is not true.
This is very far from the truth. The main reason any player is better than another is a) prior experience and b) mentality. If two random people start playing Starcraft 2, and one is better, it doesn't necessarily mean that he has more 'talent' (which is such a vague term that it's essentially useless). Maybe one of them has played other RTS games before; or perhaps one of them was a chess player. Perhaps one does some sort of sport competitively that gives him the competitive mentality needed to rise above his friend. There's no 'Starcraft 2 Skill' attribute in our DNA that we're born with - it's simply a combination of everything we've learned this far. Another example: someone who has studied decision theory and game theory will probably improve at a faster rate than your average player.
A lot of people are talking about IQ, but the truth of the matter is that past an IQ of around 120 IQ stops being correlated with success. True success is a combination of factors, but primarily involves a high enough IQ (120+), an environment that allows focused practice, and the constant reach to improve your skills (once again, deliberate practice).
On January 28 2012 07:41 Laikan wrote: Heh, how about instead of everyone that is hating on desRow typing what they think is facts. Just shut up and let the man play. Your negativity isn't doing anything to him obviously so your goal is not being accomplished. Also who cares if you're not trying to make a living playing video games like him. This thread is not about you. ALSO I seriously doubt any of you people bashing desRow on how he has not done anything in sc2 have done something yourself? I have never heard of any of you that are bashing desRow. If you can't beat him in 1v1 then why would you talk about his skill level yourself? If he hasn't done anything in Starcraft 2 that does not fit your needs then maybe that is why he is in Korea? Everyone has to start somewhere and desRow is a very good player, and he is only getting better.
Oh hey another notorious 1 post person in a desrow topic, classic
What does that have to do with it? I agree with him. What about you? You have 300 post less then me.
See how that logic works?
Well the thing is, desrow always has a lot of people posting in his topics with very low postcounts, like <30 and those people only post on his topics as well, so it's kind of general knowledge that these are clones. I'm not saying postcounts are important, and if you had some sense you would've gotten my point. Further more, you are affiliated with team legion so your opinion is not very objective either.
I've been on the team 3 days, and haven't met desrow. Your "point' is stupid, because he's not a top level player doesn't mean he deserves the stupid, immature hate he's getting. Every NA player announced on the MLG invite list doesn't get shit on as much as desrow and he's in the same level as all of them. It's people like you who circle jerk the korean fanboyism and seem to think that having a flourishing US scene is a bad thing, and shit on players who don't win every major tournament as talent-less nobodies.
Whats the point of having a amateur scene?Whats the point of people playing this game for fun? What's the point of trying to get better? At least some NA people (desrow, shadow come to mind) are trying to make something of themselves in Korea. If you don't like him don't post, or any non-top level player that is. Don't be stupid, a good amateur scene is great for eSports, some people like to see other people do good other then just Koreans.
Did you really just say that Desrow is on the same level as everyone on the NA invite list?
You are far from representing anything close to a TL vet. Just stop posting, you look like a damn fool. Literally everything you posted was wrong.
2. He puts down names so you know he isn't playing some newbie named rei.
Q.E.D you should be temp banned already. I don't know how you've managed to post 2k+ times and have 0 common sense. If you want to troll just make a new account on some other forum.
i have proof he did played some newbi named rei, and this self-proclaim horribad and terrble player knocked desrow out of a tournament. Sub son? someone didn't do his resource before opening up mouth?
I think this is a classic case of "is it everyone or me?"
There are "haters" who will say that a player is not the best, or that he is of variable skill one way or the other, but BM is a pretty objective term.
Desrow IMO has shown enough BM tendencies and cockiness that turn a LOT of players off to him, including Sheth, as evidenced by Desrow's blog that was mentioned previously.
As someone who has been around TL since the [MediA] era, I can say that it's pretty plain when someone is overly egotistical or douchey in that the community WILL call them out on it.
Desrow in my opinion seems to exhibit a lot of those traits. I'm not the only one who feels this way, and I've watched his stream/read his posts.
i know desrow has a bit of a bad rep, but i dont watch his stream or anything. has he actually "done" anything bad? i dontmean attention whore or call someone a dick, i mean like... combatex level bad. if he hasnt then im more than happy to wish him luck with whatever he does.
On January 29 2012 07:43 turdburgler wrote: i know desrow has a bit of a bad rep, but i dont watch his stream or anything. has he actually "done" anything bad? i dontmean attention whore or call someone a dick, i mean like... combatex level bad. if he hasnt then im more than happy to wish him luck with whatever he does.
He runs too many KFC commercials on his stream.
And by KFC commercials I mean he eats too much KFC on his stream.
On January 29 2012 07:43 turdburgler wrote: i know desrow has a bit of a bad rep, but i dont watch his stream or anything. has he actually "done" anything bad? i dontmean attention whore or call someone a dick, i mean like... combatex level bad. if he hasnt then im more than happy to wish him luck with whatever he does.
He doesn't stream cheat or completely yell IRL at anyone, he has tendencies to ragequit ingame and get angry at the chat. He hasn't shown much of this lately but I guess people just love haunting him with his past.
On January 29 2012 07:39 natebreen wrote: I think this is a classic case of "is it everyone or me?"
There are "haters" who will say that a player is not the best, or that he is of variable skill one way or the other, but BM is a pretty objective term.
Desrow IMO has shown enough BM tendencies and cockiness that turn a LOT of players off to him, including Sheth, as evidenced by Desrow's blog that was mentioned previously.
As someone who has been around TL since the [MediA] era, I can say that it's pretty plain when someone is overly egotistical or douchey in that the community WILL call them out on it.
Desrow in my opinion seems to exhibit a lot of those traits. I'm not the only one who feels this way, and I've watched his stream/read his posts.
On January 29 2012 07:43 turdburgler wrote: i know desrow has a bit of a bad rep, but i dont watch his stream or anything. has he actually "done" anything bad? i dontmean attention whore or call someone a dick, i mean like... combatex level bad. if he hasnt then im more than happy to wish him luck with whatever he does.
He doesn't stream cheat or completely yell IRL at anyone, he has tendencies to ragequit ingame and get angry at the chat. He hasn't shown much of this lately but I guess people just love haunting him with his past.
one of desrow's old war3 buddies posted something about desrow taking the prize money from his team, and there was a dispute on whether or not desrow paid up, because he didn't play a single game in that league for his team.
On January 29 2012 04:34 Supamang wrote: Why are people being such dicks in this thread? I've heard the name Desrow but I don't know much about him. Is he a BMer or something?
Also:
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
The idea that "talent" doesn't exist is a load of bullshit. Some people are honestly endowed with genes that allow them to have higher potential than others. Kid with a high IQ will always learn quicker than than a kid with a low IQ. If they work just as hard as each other, are you seriously suggesting that they will progress at the same rate? Im not saying you should just stop trying and blame your failures on not being born right. I just think that its naive to believe that were all created equal and that "as long as you just do your best you can be anything you want to be!"
IQ isn't determined by genes there are a lot more other factors. You can practice macro, you can practice micro, you can refine your buildorders, you can improve your decision making and work on your mindset. Maybe some have to work harder than others but I don't see why you shouldn't be able to compete given the current skill level.
Really. So Kim Ung-yong was just a product of great parenting and perfect schooling? This guy has an IQ of 210 and began speaking 2 months after birth. His mom must have given him some really dope practice regimens while pushing him out of her uterus. You know what, let me just copy paste the Wikipedia article:
Shortly after birth, Kim began to display extraordinary intellectual ability. He began speaking at 2 months, could converse fluently by 6 months, and was able to read Korean, Japanese, German, and English by his second birthday. Furthermore, it took him about a month to learn a foreign language. After 7 months he learned concepts of Algebra and could understand concepts of differential calculus. At the age of four, on November 2, 1967, he solved complicated differential and integral calculus problems on Japanese television. Even in early childhood, he began to write poetry and was an amazing painter.
Kim was a guest student of physics at Hanyang University auditing courses from the age of 4 until he was 7. In 1970, at the age of 8, he was invited to the United States by NASA, where he finished his university studies. In 1974, during his university studies, he began his research work at NASA and continued this work until his return to Korea in 1978. Back in Korea, he decided to switch from physics to civil engineering and received a doctorate in that field. He eventually published about 90 papers on hydraulics in scientific journals. As of 2007 he also serves as adjunct faculty at Chungbuk National University.
How the hell does hard work and practice have anything to do with all of that? Please enlighten us so we can begin making all babies around the world as smart as this guy.
Obviously this is an extreme example, but also obviously there are a lot of people with lower IQs than that who are still extremely smart. On the physical side of the equation, I have an ectomorphic 5'2" friend. Please try to convince him that he's not hindered by his genes when he tries to train for the NBA. Some people are simply born luckier than others. Youre gonna have a hard time convincing people otherwise considering the very real examples of people being born lucky and others being born extremely unlucky.
people don't hate desrow because of his weight. it's just a target of insults. just look how much the community loves sheth, even before he was with team liquid.
personally I find this topic hilarious. I used to support desrow and his endevours but after playing him multiple times on korea with him bming me iv grown kind of impartial to his doings.
On January 10 2012 03:02 GosI[Terran] wrote: [1/8/2012 12:00:54 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u have revival skype? [1/8/2012 12:01:22 AM] Musa*: yes [1/8/2012 12:01:22 AM] Musa*: why [1/8/2012 12:01:55 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: i want to showmatch him [1/8/2012 12:01:57 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give it to me plz [1/8/2012 12:02:22 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: dood [1/8/2012 12:02:24 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: i see you playing him [1/8/2012 12:02:27 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give it to meeeeeeee [1/8/2012 12:28:00 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give ittt [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:51 AM] Musa*: he [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: wont [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: play [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: u [1/8/2012 12:46:28 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: stfu [1/8/2012 12:46:30 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: and give me his skype [1/8/2012 12:46:30 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: wtf [1/8/2012 12:46:31 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: so bm [1/8/2012 12:50:13 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: dont be a dick [1/8/2012 12:50:14 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: !!! [1/8/2012 12:51:01 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u didnt even asked him [1/8/2012 12:51:08 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: im going to shit in your food once u come here [1/8/2012 12:51:10 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u god damn mexican [1/8/2012 1:06:51 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: yea get raped by revival poor guy is wasting his time not even getting payed [1/8/2012 1:06:54 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: at least i want to pay him [1/8/2012 1:06:56 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: for the showmatch [1/8/2012 1:09:21 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: ok kid [1/8/2012 1:09:25 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: time to give it to me [1/8/2012 1:10:00 AM] Musa*: im not giivng u shit [1/8/2012 1:11:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: olOLLOLOLOLO [1/8/2012 1:19:13 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: your bf will have to be kicked if u come here [1/8/2012 1:19:16 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: its so sad [1/8/2012 1:38:21 AM] Musa*: ?
On January 10 2012 10:36 BasilForSkin wrote:
Hahaha, wow. I was one of the mods in Revival's chat that was trying to help him out, but he was just being an asshole to us. He even called me a dumbass at some point among other things, and in general was very rude when I was only asking him for information about the showmatch so that I could pass it on to Revival. He never understood that Revival doesn't know who he is and that simply demanding his Skype wouldn't get him anywhere.
I've disliked him ever since i saw him beg three teams in their twitch tv chats to sign him. like just spam the chat begging for skype names of higher up people and junk, really lame. go through the proper channels for that shit. Now he finds a team and quits because he doenst want to live in close quarters with his teamates.
On January 10 2012 03:02 GosI[Terran] wrote: [1/8/2012 12:00:54 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u have revival skype? [1/8/2012 12:01:22 AM] Musa*: yes [1/8/2012 12:01:22 AM] Musa*: why [1/8/2012 12:01:55 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: i want to showmatch him [1/8/2012 12:01:57 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give it to me plz [1/8/2012 12:02:22 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: dood [1/8/2012 12:02:24 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: i see you playing him [1/8/2012 12:02:27 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give it to meeeeeeee [1/8/2012 12:28:00 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give ittt [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:51 AM] Musa*: he [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: wont [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: play [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: u [1/8/2012 12:46:28 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: stfu [1/8/2012 12:46:30 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: and give me his skype [1/8/2012 12:46:30 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: wtf [1/8/2012 12:46:31 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: so bm [1/8/2012 12:50:13 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: dont be a dick [1/8/2012 12:50:14 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: !!! [1/8/2012 12:51:01 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u didnt even asked him [1/8/2012 12:51:08 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: im going to shit in your food once u come here [1/8/2012 12:51:10 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u god damn mexican [1/8/2012 1:06:51 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: yea get raped by revival poor guy is wasting his time not even getting payed [1/8/2012 1:06:54 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: at least i want to pay him [1/8/2012 1:06:56 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: for the showmatch [1/8/2012 1:09:21 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: ok kid [1/8/2012 1:09:25 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: time to give it to me [1/8/2012 1:10:00 AM] Musa*: im not giivng u shit [1/8/2012 1:11:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: olOLLOLOLOLO [1/8/2012 1:19:13 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: your bf will have to be kicked if u come here [1/8/2012 1:19:16 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: its so sad [1/8/2012 1:38:21 AM] Musa*: ?
Hahaha, wow. I was one of the mods in Revival's chat that was trying to help him out, but he was just being an asshole to us. He even called me a dumbass at some point among other things, and in general was very rude when I was only asking him for information about the showmatch so that I could pass it on to Revival. He never understood that Revival doesn't know who he is and that simply demanding his Skype wouldn't get him anywhere.
Gogo Revival!~
this is why people don't like him.
This is pretty bad; maybe teenagers view this sort of immaturity differently (I'm sure I did when I was younger), but I can't root for people who talk like this. You can't make it anywhere in this world alone, and it certainly doesn't help you improve by BMing other good players.
On January 10 2012 03:02 GosI[Terran] wrote: [1/8/2012 12:00:54 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u have revival skype? [1/8/2012 12:01:22 AM] Musa*: yes [1/8/2012 12:01:22 AM] Musa*: why [1/8/2012 12:01:55 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: i want to showmatch him [1/8/2012 12:01:57 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give it to me plz [1/8/2012 12:02:22 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: dood [1/8/2012 12:02:24 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: i see you playing him [1/8/2012 12:02:27 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give it to meeeeeeee [1/8/2012 12:28:00 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give ittt [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:51 AM] Musa*: he [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: wont [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: play [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: u [1/8/2012 12:46:28 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: stfu [1/8/2012 12:46:30 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: and give me his skype [1/8/2012 12:46:30 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: wtf [1/8/2012 12:46:31 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: so bm [1/8/2012 12:50:13 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: dont be a dick [1/8/2012 12:50:14 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: !!! [1/8/2012 12:51:01 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u didnt even asked him [1/8/2012 12:51:08 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: im going to shit in your food once u come here [1/8/2012 12:51:10 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u god damn mexican [1/8/2012 1:06:51 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: yea get raped by revival poor guy is wasting his time not even getting payed [1/8/2012 1:06:54 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: at least i want to pay him [1/8/2012 1:06:56 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: for the showmatch [1/8/2012 1:09:21 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: ok kid [1/8/2012 1:09:25 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: time to give it to me [1/8/2012 1:10:00 AM] Musa*: im not giivng u shit [1/8/2012 1:11:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: olOLLOLOLOLO [1/8/2012 1:19:13 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: your bf will have to be kicked if u come here [1/8/2012 1:19:16 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: its so sad [1/8/2012 1:38:21 AM] Musa*: ?
Hahaha, wow. I was one of the mods in Revival's chat that was trying to help him out, but he was just being an asshole to us. He even called me a dumbass at some point among other things, and in general was very rude when I was only asking him for information about the showmatch so that I could pass it on to Revival. He never understood that Revival doesn't know who he is and that simply demanding his Skype wouldn't get him anywhere.
Gogo Revival!~
this is why people don't like him.
wow i didnt know that happened makes their showmatch result all the more funnier
Ok I understand how some people don't like desRow but is that really a reason to turn this thread into a shit fest? Come on guys we are better than this. If you don't like him, move on who cares at the very least don't be completely demeaning to the guy.
On January 29 2012 04:34 Supamang wrote: Why are people being such dicks in this thread? I've heard the name Desrow but I don't know much about him. Is he a BMer or something?
Also:
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
The idea that "talent" doesn't exist is a load of bullshit. Some people are honestly endowed with genes that allow them to have higher potential than others. Kid with a high IQ will always learn quicker than than a kid with a low IQ. If they work just as hard as each other, are you seriously suggesting that they will progress at the same rate? Im not saying you should just stop trying and blame your failures on not being born right. I just think that its naive to believe that were all created equal and that "as long as you just do your best you can be anything you want to be!"
IQ isn't determined by genes there are a lot more other factors. You can practice macro, you can practice micro, you can refine your buildorders, you can improve your decision making and work on your mindset. Maybe some have to work harder than others but I don't see why you shouldn't be able to compete given the current skill level.
Assuming that natural talent does not exist everyone would start at the same level. We know that is not true.
This is very far from the truth. The main reason any player is better than another is a) prior experience and b) mentality. If two random people start playing Starcraft 2, and one is better, it doesn't necessarily mean that he has more 'talent' (which is such a vague term that it's essentially useless). Maybe one of them has played other RTS games before; or perhaps one of them was a chess player. Perhaps one does some sort of sport competitively that gives him the competitive mentality needed to rise above his friend. There's no 'Starcraft 2 Skill' attribute in our DNA that we're born with - it's simply a combination of everything we've learned this far. Another example: someone who has studied decision theory and game theory will probably improve at a faster rate than your average player.
A lot of people are talking about IQ, but the truth of the matter is that past an IQ of around 120 IQ stops being correlated with success. True success is a combination of factors, but primarily involves a high enough IQ (120+), an environment that allows focused practice, and the constant reach to improve your skills (once again, deliberate practice).
I made a really long post awhile back about this, let me find it. But basically, I believe the average IQ of a Korean pro gamer is around 120, and higher than the average IQ of a foreign sc2 pro:
People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.
Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.
For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.
For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.
So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.
Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?
What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.
The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.
Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.
On January 29 2012 04:34 Supamang wrote: Why are people being such dicks in this thread? I've heard the name Desrow but I don't know much about him. Is he a BMer or something?
Also:
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
The idea that "talent" doesn't exist is a load of bullshit. Some people are honestly endowed with genes that allow them to have higher potential than others. Kid with a high IQ will always learn quicker than than a kid with a low IQ. If they work just as hard as each other, are you seriously suggesting that they will progress at the same rate? Im not saying you should just stop trying and blame your failures on not being born right. I just think that its naive to believe that were all created equal and that "as long as you just do your best you can be anything you want to be!"
IQ isn't determined by genes there are a lot more other factors. You can practice macro, you can practice micro, you can refine your buildorders, you can improve your decision making and work on your mindset. Maybe some have to work harder than others but I don't see why you shouldn't be able to compete given the current skill level.
Assuming that natural talent does not exist everyone would start at the same level. We know that is not true.
This is very far from the truth. The main reason any player is better than another is a) prior experience and b) mentality. If two random people start playing Starcraft 2, and one is better, it doesn't necessarily mean that he has more 'talent' (which is such a vague term that it's essentially useless). Maybe one of them has played other RTS games before; or perhaps one of them was a chess player. Perhaps one does some sort of sport competitively that gives him the competitive mentality needed to rise above his friend. There's no 'Starcraft 2 Skill' attribute in our DNA that we're born with - it's simply a combination of everything we've learned this far. Another example: someone who has studied decision theory and game theory will probably improve at a faster rate than your average player.
A lot of people are talking about IQ, but the truth of the matter is that past an IQ of around 120 IQ stops being correlated with success. True success is a combination of factors, but primarily involves a high enough IQ (120+), an environment that allows focused practice, and the constant reach to improve your skills (once again, deliberate practice).
I made a really long post awhile back about this, let me find it. But basically, I believe the average IQ of a Korean pro gamer is around 120, and higher than the average IQ of a foreign sc2 pro:
What do you guys think?
i think you have no quantitative basis for what you just said.
On January 10 2012 03:02 GosI[Terran] wrote: [1/8/2012 12:00:54 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u have revival skype? [1/8/2012 12:01:22 AM] Musa*: yes [1/8/2012 12:01:22 AM] Musa*: why [1/8/2012 12:01:55 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: i want to showmatch him [1/8/2012 12:01:57 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give it to me plz [1/8/2012 12:02:22 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: dood [1/8/2012 12:02:24 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: i see you playing him [1/8/2012 12:02:27 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give it to meeeeeeee [1/8/2012 12:28:00 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give ittt [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:51 AM] Musa*: he [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: wont [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: play [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: u [1/8/2012 12:46:28 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: stfu [1/8/2012 12:46:30 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: and give me his skype [1/8/2012 12:46:30 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: wtf [1/8/2012 12:46:31 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: so bm [1/8/2012 12:50:13 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: dont be a dick [1/8/2012 12:50:14 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: !!! [1/8/2012 12:51:01 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u didnt even asked him [1/8/2012 12:51:08 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: im going to shit in your food once u come here [1/8/2012 12:51:10 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u god damn mexican [1/8/2012 1:06:51 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: yea get raped by revival poor guy is wasting his time not even getting payed [1/8/2012 1:06:54 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: at least i want to pay him [1/8/2012 1:06:56 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: for the showmatch [1/8/2012 1:09:21 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: ok kid [1/8/2012 1:09:25 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: time to give it to me [1/8/2012 1:10:00 AM] Musa*: im not giivng u shit [1/8/2012 1:11:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: olOLLOLOLOLO [1/8/2012 1:19:13 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: your bf will have to be kicked if u come here [1/8/2012 1:19:16 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: its so sad [1/8/2012 1:38:21 AM] Musa*: ?
Hahaha, wow. I was one of the mods in Revival's chat that was trying to help him out, but he was just being an asshole to us. He even called me a dumbass at some point among other things, and in general was very rude when I was only asking him for information about the showmatch so that I could pass it on to Revival. He never understood that Revival doesn't know who he is and that simply demanding his Skype wouldn't get him anywhere.
Gogo Revival!~
this is why people don't like him.
this is just too funny. i didnt actually know who desrow is; not i could care less even more.
On January 29 2012 04:34 Supamang wrote: Why are people being such dicks in this thread? I've heard the name Desrow but I don't know much about him. Is he a BMer or something?
Also:
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
The idea that "talent" doesn't exist is a load of bullshit. Some people are honestly endowed with genes that allow them to have higher potential than others. Kid with a high IQ will always learn quicker than than a kid with a low IQ. If they work just as hard as each other, are you seriously suggesting that they will progress at the same rate? Im not saying you should just stop trying and blame your failures on not being born right. I just think that its naive to believe that were all created equal and that "as long as you just do your best you can be anything you want to be!"
IQ isn't determined by genes there are a lot more other factors. You can practice macro, you can practice micro, you can refine your buildorders, you can improve your decision making and work on your mindset. Maybe some have to work harder than others but I don't see why you shouldn't be able to compete given the current skill level.
Assuming that natural talent does not exist everyone would start at the same level. We know that is not true.
This is very far from the truth. The main reason any player is better than another is a) prior experience and b) mentality. If two random people start playing Starcraft 2, and one is better, it doesn't necessarily mean that he has more 'talent' (which is such a vague term that it's essentially useless). Maybe one of them has played other RTS games before; or perhaps one of them was a chess player. Perhaps one does some sort of sport competitively that gives him the competitive mentality needed to rise above his friend. There's no 'Starcraft 2 Skill' attribute in our DNA that we're born with - it's simply a combination of everything we've learned this far. Another example: someone who has studied decision theory and game theory will probably improve at a faster rate than your average player.
A lot of people are talking about IQ, but the truth of the matter is that past an IQ of around 120 IQ stops being correlated with success. True success is a combination of factors, but primarily involves a high enough IQ (120+), an environment that allows focused practice, and the constant reach to improve your skills (once again, deliberate practice).
I made a really long post awhile back about this, let me find it. But basically, I believe the average IQ of a Korean pro gamer is around 120, and higher than the average IQ of a foreign sc2 pro:
People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.
Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.
For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.
For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.
So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.
Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?
What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.
The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.
Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.
What do you guys think?
This is actually pretty fucking good. You should make an OP.
I dont get it why he still in korea, he didnt make his proof to deserve to be in korea. + Hes not even participating in tournament wich means no results from him. But its his money/ money of the team. so u can waste it where u want.
On January 29 2012 09:36 dom_dom666 wrote: I dont get it why he still in korea, he didnt make his proof to deserve to be in korea. + Hes not even participating in tournament wich means no results from him. But its his money/ money of the team. so u can waste it where u want.
Either you are stupid, or didn't read what desrow said. He is in korea to get better at this game, simple as that. And what do you mean "deserve to be in korea", doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me.
Some of you guys should take a big reality check. Ive seen him streaming since he started and for me he acts and behaves as a very nice guy. Ive seen him angry a few times but that is due to some major flaming on his chat, trust me its insanely bad. People attacking him about his weight but also talking about suicide and what not. Is it any wonder he sometimes get angry ? 99% of the time he is extremely nice.
Now to the other part of trolls saying he is a "nobody", well he has beaten many pro gamers and is currently masters in korea. He is also living in the gom house. Who are you ? Who are any of you ? This is a guy following a goal, he is doing something for himself. Leave the guy alone geezes. If you guys really dont care about Desrow, why is all i see on TL are threads with hundreds of comments ? You trolls are actually fighting yourselfs.
On January 29 2012 10:16 Avean wrote: Some of you guys should take a big reality check. Ive seen him streaming since he started and for me he acts and behaves as a very nice guy. Ive seen him angry a few times but that is due to some major flaming on his chat, trust me its insanely bad. People attacking him about his weight but also talking about suicide and what not. Is it any wonder he sometimes get angry ? 99% of the time he is extremely nice.
Now to the other part of trolls saying he is a "nobody", well he has beaten many pro gamers and is currently masters in korea. He is also living in the gom house. Who are you ? Who are any of you ? This is a guy following a goal, he is doing something for himself. Leave the guy alone geezes. If you guys really dont care about Desrow, why is all i see on TL are threads with hundreds of comments ? You trolls are actually fighting yourselfs.
How do we leave him alone when there is a news post about him for every little thing he does? Like he's some sort of top notch pro? How do we leave him alone when he posts blogs on how he is cheesing IdrA for attention? When he begs people on twitch to join teams then BMs the hell out of them when they refuse? When various other pro gamers do not, in fact, like him?
I'm being harsh here, but it's the truth. I don't think anyone on teamliquid really cares that LGN has released DesRow. He should post it on his stream for his loyal viewers to peruse, because they are the ones who care.
DesRow is only known somewhat because he is infamous. That's not something to be proud of at all. Look at all his threads, they sour instantly. Take a clue.
On January 29 2012 04:34 Supamang wrote: Why are people being such dicks in this thread? I've heard the name Desrow but I don't know much about him. Is he a BMer or something?
Also:
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
The idea that "talent" doesn't exist is a load of bullshit. Some people are honestly endowed with genes that allow them to have higher potential than others. Kid with a high IQ will always learn quicker than than a kid with a low IQ. If they work just as hard as each other, are you seriously suggesting that they will progress at the same rate? Im not saying you should just stop trying and blame your failures on not being born right. I just think that its naive to believe that were all created equal and that "as long as you just do your best you can be anything you want to be!"
IQ isn't determined by genes there are a lot more other factors. You can practice macro, you can practice micro, you can refine your buildorders, you can improve your decision making and work on your mindset. Maybe some have to work harder than others but I don't see why you shouldn't be able to compete given the current skill level.
Assuming that natural talent does not exist everyone would start at the same level. We know that is not true.
This is very far from the truth. The main reason any player is better than another is a) prior experience and b) mentality. If two random people start playing Starcraft 2, and one is better, it doesn't necessarily mean that he has more 'talent' (which is such a vague term that it's essentially useless). Maybe one of them has played other RTS games before; or perhaps one of them was a chess player. Perhaps one does some sort of sport competitively that gives him the competitive mentality needed to rise above his friend. There's no 'Starcraft 2 Skill' attribute in our DNA that we're born with - it's simply a combination of everything we've learned this far. Another example: someone who has studied decision theory and game theory will probably improve at a faster rate than your average player.
A lot of people are talking about IQ, but the truth of the matter is that past an IQ of around 120 IQ stops being correlated with success. True success is a combination of factors, but primarily involves a high enough IQ (120+), an environment that allows focused practice, and the constant reach to improve your skills (once again, deliberate practice).
I made a really long post awhile back about this, let me find it. But basically, I believe the average IQ of a Korean pro gamer is around 120, and higher than the average IQ of a foreign sc2 pro:
People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.
Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.
For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.
For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.
So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.
Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?
What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.
The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.
Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.
What do you guys think?
I would be curious to know about the academic situation of most western pros, very few seem publicly open about it. At least in the US kids have a lot of opportunity if they can graduate with a meaningful degree (meaning not liberal arts). The median salary for entry level computer engineering jobs for US graduates last year was around $70k, I highly doubt any SC2 progamer makes that kind of money from salary, and if there are some that do you could probably count them on both hands. There is very little incentive for bright kids in the US to become progamers so I would guess that your hypothesis that western pros are on average less intelligent than their eastern counterparts is correct.
On January 29 2012 04:34 Supamang wrote: Why are people being such dicks in this thread? I've heard the name Desrow but I don't know much about him. Is he a BMer or something?
Also:
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
The idea that "talent" doesn't exist is a load of bullshit. Some people are honestly endowed with genes that allow them to have higher potential than others. Kid with a high IQ will always learn quicker than than a kid with a low IQ. If they work just as hard as each other, are you seriously suggesting that they will progress at the same rate? Im not saying you should just stop trying and blame your failures on not being born right. I just think that its naive to believe that were all created equal and that "as long as you just do your best you can be anything you want to be!"
IQ isn't determined by genes there are a lot more other factors. You can practice macro, you can practice micro, you can refine your buildorders, you can improve your decision making and work on your mindset. Maybe some have to work harder than others but I don't see why you shouldn't be able to compete given the current skill level.
Assuming that natural talent does not exist everyone would start at the same level. We know that is not true.
This is very far from the truth. The main reason any player is better than another is a) prior experience and b) mentality. If two random people start playing Starcraft 2, and one is better, it doesn't necessarily mean that he has more 'talent' (which is such a vague term that it's essentially useless). Maybe one of them has played other RTS games before; or perhaps one of them was a chess player. Perhaps one does some sort of sport competitively that gives him the competitive mentality needed to rise above his friend. There's no 'Starcraft 2 Skill' attribute in our DNA that we're born with - it's simply a combination of everything we've learned this far. Another example: someone who has studied decision theory and game theory will probably improve at a faster rate than your average player.
A lot of people are talking about IQ, but the truth of the matter is that past an IQ of around 120 IQ stops being correlated with success. True success is a combination of factors, but primarily involves a high enough IQ (120+), an environment that allows focused practice, and the constant reach to improve your skills (once again, deliberate practice).
I made a really long post awhile back about this, let me find it. But basically, I believe the average IQ of a Korean pro gamer is around 120, and higher than the average IQ of a foreign sc2 pro:
People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.
Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.
For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.
For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.
So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.
Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?
What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.
The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.
Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.
What do you guys think?
This is actually pretty fucking good. You should make an OP.
Another example is track and field in jamaica. How can a country of population 100x less come up with just as many if not more elite olympic sprinters as the united states? The answer is that, like the above example, kids in jamaica are seeing track and field heroes from jamaica at an early age and jamaica even holds country wide track and field events so that these kids all over jamaica are scouted for their talent and such. So while the potential in other countries for progamers might be large, if those extremely skilled and intelligent people never start following that path, then other smaller countries that do tap into their potential can compete or be even better than them.
On January 29 2012 04:34 Supamang wrote: Why are people being such dicks in this thread? I've heard the name Desrow but I don't know much about him. Is he a BMer or something?
Also:
On January 28 2012 18:09 Teodice wrote: For all of you saying he doesn't got the talent to make. Christ, I'm not even a Desrow fan but making statements like "he does not have the talent for it" is just stupid.
In my opinion there is no such thing as talent. Do the holy god up there, blessed be his name, allow some people to become sc2 pros by giving them the talent for it? Don't think so... You become god at something through hard work and understanding of what you're doing. Maybe Desrow will reach that point some day, maybe not.
Desrow is incredibly dedicated and is really working for his dream to come true nd that's something all people should respect.
The idea that "talent" doesn't exist is a load of bullshit. Some people are honestly endowed with genes that allow them to have higher potential than others. Kid with a high IQ will always learn quicker than than a kid with a low IQ. If they work just as hard as each other, are you seriously suggesting that they will progress at the same rate? Im not saying you should just stop trying and blame your failures on not being born right. I just think that its naive to believe that were all created equal and that "as long as you just do your best you can be anything you want to be!"
IQ isn't determined by genes there are a lot more other factors. You can practice macro, you can practice micro, you can refine your buildorders, you can improve your decision making and work on your mindset. Maybe some have to work harder than others but I don't see why you shouldn't be able to compete given the current skill level.
Assuming that natural talent does not exist everyone would start at the same level. We know that is not true.
This is very far from the truth. The main reason any player is better than another is a) prior experience and b) mentality. If two random people start playing Starcraft 2, and one is better, it doesn't necessarily mean that he has more 'talent' (which is such a vague term that it's essentially useless). Maybe one of them has played other RTS games before; or perhaps one of them was a chess player. Perhaps one does some sort of sport competitively that gives him the competitive mentality needed to rise above his friend. There's no 'Starcraft 2 Skill' attribute in our DNA that we're born with - it's simply a combination of everything we've learned this far. Another example: someone who has studied decision theory and game theory will probably improve at a faster rate than your average player.
A lot of people are talking about IQ, but the truth of the matter is that past an IQ of around 120 IQ stops being correlated with success. True success is a combination of factors, but primarily involves a high enough IQ (120+), an environment that allows focused practice, and the constant reach to improve your skills (once again, deliberate practice).
I made a really long post awhile back about this, let me find it. But basically, I believe the average IQ of a Korean pro gamer is around 120, and higher than the average IQ of a foreign sc2 pro:
People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.
Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.
For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.
For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.
So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.
Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?
What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.
The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.
Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.
What do you guys think?
This is actually pretty fucking good. You should make an OP.
Another example is track and field in jamaica. How can a country of population 100x less come up with just as many if not more elite olympic sprinters as the united states? The answer is that, like the above example, kids in jamaica are seeing track and field heroes from jamaica at an early age and jamaica even holds country wide track and field events so that these kids all over jamaica are scouted for their talent and such. So while the potential in other countries for progamers might be large, if those extremely skilled and intelligent people never start following that path, then other smaller countries that do tap into their potential can compete or be even better than them.
I have seen desrow's stream a few times, he seems like an ok guy ... but maybe i don't know enough about him, but even with that said i can't believe what people are saying in this thread, its just mean. I wish him well and hope he can find a new team.
On January 28 2012 13:35 rei wrote: Do you even know desrow? the reason TL vets here does not like him is because he constantly brags about himself beating big name players, posting replays all over TL without letting his followers know his overall records against all those ppl in his replays that he brag about.
Why are you taking issue with the 5 reply pack links? Its not like he's bragging about beating notable players in those topics just listing some notable players he faced (win or lose). Is posting replay packs (GM/'pro' players) frowned upon here? I'm not sure if you're taking issue with where (forum section) they were posted, the fact there have been 5 topics posted, or something else? Personally I appreciate players such as desrow and illusion making these replay packs and bringing them to our attention with a TL thread. I can't see any of the bragging you described in the OTs of those 5 replay pack links...
for one he didn't ask for permission from those people whether or not he can post their replays. Second he listed every single player's name on his thread, you think if it's just about sharing his own replays he would have to list every person he has ever beaten? I don't see other people that has any reputation needing to do this "naming all", for example http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302027 I don't see a single name on there. I'm sure Kawiirice's MMR puts him high enough to match up with Code As and Code S in korean server.
and no, all desrow's replays had him winning, why don't you find one of those replays where he lost the game. We at TL are all elites and we can see right through Bullshits and read between lines to gasp people's read intentions. If it was not his intend to brag, how do you explain all the other Blogs he made? these aren't the only links he brags about anything, if you type in desrow on search engine you find way more.
Thx for replying and give me attention, for every time someone reply to me, i will get a chance to take another dump on desrow's ego.
You are far from representing anything close to a TL vet. Just stop posting, you look like a damn fool. Literally everything you posted was wrong.
1. Why would he need permission to post replays of his own games? Are you serious? Has that EVER been a requirement to posting replays? 2. He puts down names so you know he isn't playing some newbie named rei. 3. Kawaii doesn't put down names because 1. probably doesn't know who they are. 2. There's no point, you know how good Kawaiirice is compared to how good desRow is due to his tourney results. 3. It's the players choice to include replays of them winning or losing...you can learn something from a lost replay but that's more about the players making mistakes at that point rather than build order counters. 4. We already went over how fucking old those blogs are. Why do you keep ignoring this fact?
Q.E.D you should be temp banned already. I don't know how you've managed to post 2k+ times and have 0 common sense. If you want to troll just make a new account on some other forum.
Tylerthacreator layin' down the logic, and there's no need for the 500 desrow hate posts
Well the people insulting Desrow on this thread are pathetic and probably posses a considerably low self esteem of themselves to the fact that they have to insult someone over the internet to make themselves feel better, I must ask, does this announcement really warrant a thread? I'm not bashing Desrow, but he's not a high tier leveled pro, and we don't need to have new threads every time he does X or Y.
On January 29 2012 15:42 1Eris1 wrote: Well the people insulting Desrow on this thread are pathetic and probably posses a considerably low self esteem of themselves to the fact that they have to insult someone over the internet to make themselves feel better, I must ask, does this announcement really warrant a thread? I'm not bashing Desrow, but he's not a high tier leveled pro, and we don't need to have new threads every time he does X or Y.
Indeed, especially because he does X or Y quite often.
On January 28 2012 03:44 Team-Legion wrote: Hello TeamLiquid,
As many of you have already seen on desRow's twitter, desRow and Team legion have parted ways. This due to problems with housing arrangements. . We are sorry for all the fans of the team and desRow and want to let everyone know that we are still friends here.
im sure all 20 of his fans will appreciate this and understand, good luck to both! and also to team Legion
On January 28 2012 03:44 Team-Legion wrote: Hello TeamLiquid,
As many of you have already seen on desRow's twitter, desRow and Team legion have parted ways. This due to problems with housing arrangements. . We are sorry for all the fans of the team and desRow and want to let everyone know that we are still friends here.
im sure all 20 of his fans will appreciate this and understand, good luck to both! and also to team Legion
What's funny is, I remember desRow's comment once about the ladder experience in Korea and how he wasn't having the "skill shock" every single other foreigner had when landing - used to really think that he was gonna blow it up based off of those comments and thus my confusion at him getting stomped so hard in his showmatches...
Sadly, reading through this thread fills in the holes for my naive brain.. des, WHY U GOTTA BE LIKE THAT?... :-/
Anyway, I will give credit to desrow for marketing himself. Given the attention he gets compared to his skill level, that's impressive. Still, lots of unflattering details flying around this guy (BM, overpriced coaching, ridiculous ads, etc).
Desrow is in that category with Destiny, as far as I'm concerned. Average players who gather viewers through 'drama' based advertising. Can't really blame them for their behavior, since the community seems to fully support it. If you want to blame anyone, i blame the majority of morons who watch these streams.
On January 28 2012 03:44 Team-Legion wrote: Hello TeamLiquid,
As many of you have already seen on desRow's twitter, desRow and Team legion have parted ways. This due to problems with housing arrangements. . We are sorry for all the fans of the team and desRow and want to let everyone know that we are still friends here.
im sure all 20 of his fans will appreciate this and understand, good luck to both! and also to team Legion
but he has more followers than me on twitter..
Don't worry. You'll fade into the emptyness sooner than later.
On January 28 2012 03:44 Team-Legion wrote: Hello TeamLiquid,
As many of you have already seen on desRow's twitter, desRow and Team legion have parted ways. This due to problems with housing arrangements. . We are sorry for all the fans of the team and desRow and want to let everyone know that we are still friends here.
im sure all 20 of his fans will appreciate this and understand, good luck to both! and also to team Legion
but he has more followers than me on twitter..
Don't worry. You'll fade into the emptyness sooner than later.
nooooooooooooo.. but but the darkness is so lonely
On January 10 2012 03:02 GosI[Terran] wrote: [1/8/2012 12:00:54 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u have revival skype? [1/8/2012 12:01:22 AM] Musa*: yes [1/8/2012 12:01:22 AM] Musa*: why [1/8/2012 12:01:55 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: i want to showmatch him [1/8/2012 12:01:57 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give it to me plz [1/8/2012 12:02:22 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: dood [1/8/2012 12:02:24 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: i see you playing him [1/8/2012 12:02:27 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give it to meeeeeeee [1/8/2012 12:28:00 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: give ittt [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:47 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: asd [1/8/2012 12:28:51 AM] Musa*: he [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: wont [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: play [1/8/2012 12:28:52 AM] Musa*: u [1/8/2012 12:46:28 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: stfu [1/8/2012 12:46:30 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: and give me his skype [1/8/2012 12:46:30 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: wtf [1/8/2012 12:46:31 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: so bm [1/8/2012 12:50:13 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: dont be a dick [1/8/2012 12:50:14 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: !!! [1/8/2012 12:51:01 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u didnt even asked him [1/8/2012 12:51:08 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: im going to shit in your food once u come here [1/8/2012 12:51:10 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: u god damn mexican [1/8/2012 1:06:51 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: yea get raped by revival poor guy is wasting his time not even getting payed [1/8/2012 1:06:54 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: at least i want to pay him [1/8/2012 1:06:56 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: for the showmatch [1/8/2012 1:09:21 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: ok kid [1/8/2012 1:09:25 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: time to give it to me [1/8/2012 1:10:00 AM] Musa*: im not giivng u shit [1/8/2012 1:11:48 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: olOLLOLOLOLO [1/8/2012 1:19:13 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: your bf will have to be kicked if u come here [1/8/2012 1:19:16 AM] Marc-Olivier/ desRow: its so sad [1/8/2012 1:38:21 AM] Musa*: ?
Hahaha, wow. I was one of the mods in Revival's chat that was trying to help him out, but he was just being an asshole to us. He even called me a dumbass at some point among other things, and in general was very rude when I was only asking him for information about the showmatch so that I could pass it on to Revival. He never understood that Revival doesn't know who he is and that simply demanding his Skype wouldn't get him anywhere.
On January 29 2012 18:20 Coated wrote: Desrow is in that category with Destiny, as far as I'm concerned. Average players who gather viewers through 'drama' based advertising. Can't really blame them for their behavior, since the community seems to fully support it. If you want to blame anyone, i blame the majority of morons who watch these streams.
I am the least Destiny fan, but I have to disagree here. Destiny may be a dick and not an exceptional player, but he does good work as an entertainer and shows respect when its due. You can't deny that Destiny really has a lot of Fans, so I'm ok with the attention he gets.
If Desrow is actually succesful with his attention-whoring this is a really bad model for other players to follow. You can't really run away from this, sometimes bad drama has to be prevented. Unfeature Desrow and close upcoming unneccesary threads.
I would love to just ignore Desrow and let him do his thing.
Sorry who and sorry what? Some people get too much of attention out of nowhere. Personally, I don't think its such a big community new. But well, changing teams like socks might be frustrating.
On January 29 2012 18:20 Coated wrote: Desrow is in that category with Destiny, as far as I'm concerned. Average players who gather viewers through 'drama' based advertising. Can't really blame them for their behavior, since the community seems to fully support it. If you want to blame anyone, i blame the majority of morons who watch these streams.
Like him or not Destiny at least has some respect for his fans and can be funny. Desrow on the other hand is just sad.
On January 28 2012 03:44 Team-Legion wrote: Hello TeamLiquid,
As many of you have already seen on desRow's twitter, desRow and Team legion have parted ways. This due to problems with housing arrangements. . We are sorry for all the fans of the team and desRow and want to let everyone know that we are still friends here.
im sure all 20 of his fans will appreciate this and understand, good luck to both! and also to team Legion
col.fats is here to jump on the bm bandwagon. everyone get ready for some unrequested singing.
On January 28 2012 03:44 Team-Legion wrote: Hello TeamLiquid,
As many of you have already seen on desRow's twitter, desRow and Team legion have parted ways. This due to problems with housing arrangements. . We are sorry for all the fans of the team and desRow and want to let everyone know that we are still friends here.
im sure all 20 of his fans will appreciate this and understand, good luck to both! and also to team Legion
col.fats is here to jump on the bm bandwagon. everyone get ready for some unrequested singing.
On January 28 2012 03:44 Team-Legion wrote: Hello TeamLiquid,
As many of you have already seen on desRow's twitter, desRow and Team legion have parted ways. This due to problems with housing arrangements. . We are sorry for all the fans of the team and desRow and want to let everyone know that we are still friends here.
im sure all 20 of his fans will appreciate this and understand, good luck to both! and also to team Legion
Why are you being a dick? You and desrow are at roughly the same skill level so can't be that at least. Stop acting like you're anything more than a mediocre NA player that can't break top 50 GM despite putting so much time in. Why a couple of thousand actually watch your stream intrigues me, guess they find some kind of entertainment factor in your rather annoying personality.
On January 29 2012 18:20 Coated wrote: Desrow is in that category with Destiny, as far as I'm concerned. Average players who gather viewers through 'drama' based advertising. Can't really blame them for their behavior, since the community seems to fully support it. If you want to blame anyone, i blame the majority of morons who watch these streams.
I can't believe he gets as much attention as he does with ~300 viewers on average. (I'm in US though, so maybe he gets more at hours I'm not lurking TL.)
that thread went so far away. Even if you don't like the desrow personality or behavior which i can understand and i don't like it either, you have to respect the fact he is trying really hard, and he is putting his own money on the table to go to Korea.
He is hardworking to try to live the dream, and its not always rewarding so, i guess he sometimes gets frustrated (its an explanation, never an excuse)
On January 29 2012 18:20 Coated wrote: Desrow is in that category with Destiny, as far as I'm concerned. Average players who gather viewers through 'drama' based advertising. Can't really blame them for their behavior, since the community seems to fully support it. If you want to blame anyone, i blame the majority of morons who watch these streams.
I am the least Destiny fan, but I have to disagree here. Destiny may be a dick and not an exceptional player, but he does good work as an entertainer and shows respect when its due. You can't deny that Destiny really has a lot of Fans, so I'm ok with the attention he gets.
If Desrow is actually succesful with his attention-whoring this is a really bad model for other players to follow. You can't really run away from this, sometimes bad drama has to be prevented. Unfeature Desrow and close upcoming unneccesary threads.
I would love to just ignore Desrow and let him do his thing.
Destiny BMs and can be pretty vulgar on stream SOMETIMES, but most of the time when he BMs its just trolling or lighthearted shit talking between friends and most of the time in general hes actually a decent person.
I've never seen him do anything nearly as ridiculous as Desrow's whining about a show match.
the dude is awesome, all the haters need to go away. Just let him do his own thing. Turn into his stream or don't. No need to hate on a guy who wants to be a better gamer. Facts don't lie he's shown results. Those results + all the results from WC3/DOTA that people don't even know about shows he's a proven pro gamer.
I don't mean to hate on the dude, but Desrow was (emphatic) no where near good @DotA, he just hang out with the pros and played with them but was nevertheless constantly mocked by the entire community for his extremely crappy play, attention-whoring and general BM without the skills to back it up (bming is commonplace in DotA, but you gotta have the skills to do it otherwise you won't be well received), any pub player with decent skills could murder him.
On January 29 2012 18:20 Coated wrote: Desrow is in that category with Destiny, as far as I'm concerned. Average players who gather viewers through 'drama' based advertising. Can't really blame them for their behavior, since the community seems to fully support it. If you want to blame anyone, i blame the majority of morons who watch these streams.
I can't believe he gets as much attention as he does with ~300 viewers on average. (I'm in US though, so maybe he gets more at hours I'm not lurking TL.)
I lurk at weird hours and that's usually about what I see too. I don't think it's him getting so much attention as it is this drama filed thread with everyone slinging insults back and forth.
Many haters be hatin, YO! If he wants to stay in Korea and fight there let him do that without nobodys telling him that he shouldnt do it. I doubt even half of the people writing bad things about him have ever even been close being a somebody other in their own small obnoxious world.
On January 29 2012 20:19 shadymmj wrote: the way i see it is that not only is he fat, he also has to be a dick. if you are a dick, then naturally people will poke fun at your weight.
if you are fat then you had better be a nice guy. and then the community will overlook your weight, as we have done for a couple of players.
god help desrow if he doesn't understand this simple fact.
As an ex fatty I can attest to this in real life circumstances also. Everyone loves a cheery, funny big guy but if you're an asshole, you're no longer that big bear everyone loves but just a fat fuck everyone hates.
On January 29 2012 21:48 Kira__ wrote: anyone who thinks incontrol is actually fat is clueless beyond belief. him and machine have the same waist size.
Just depends what you mean by fat. In America, 20 lbs overweight is considered normal. Machine is overweight. Incontrol is probably Obese (bf% of 25 is considered obese).
Do they both have muscle mass? Yea. But people who claim they are "pure muscle" are the clueless ones. Do they look like bodybuilders to you? They are individuals who have bulked up from the gym and the kitchen. It's impossible to gain muscle without gaining fat.
On January 29 2012 20:19 shadymmj wrote: the way i see it is that not only is he fat, he also has to be a dick. if you are a dick, then naturally people will poke fun at your weight.
if you are fat then you had better be a nice guy. and then the community will overlook your weight, as we have done for a couple of players.
god help desrow if he doesn't understand this simple fact.
You're acting like he is offending the community by being overweight. o.0
On January 28 2012 03:44 Team-Legion wrote: Hello TeamLiquid,
As many of you have already seen on desRow's twitter, desRow and Team legion have parted ways. This due to problems with housing arrangements. . We are sorry for all the fans of the team and desRow and want to let everyone know that we are still friends here.
im sure all 20 of his fans will appreciate this and understand, good luck to both! and also to team Legion
col.fats is here to jump on the bm bandwagon. everyone get ready for some unrequested singing.
Catz is pretty handsome tbh.
Handsome? Isn't he some kind of latino pimp? Wow...how handsome :-(
On January 28 2012 03:44 Team-Legion wrote: Hello TeamLiquid,
As many of you have already seen on desRow's twitter, desRow and Team legion have parted ways. This due to problems with housing arrangements. . We are sorry for all the fans of the team and desRow and want to let everyone know that we are still friends here.
im sure all 20 of his fans will appreciate this and understand, good luck to both! and also to team Legion
col.fats is here to jump on the bm bandwagon. everyone get ready for some unrequested singing.
Catz is pretty handsome tbh.
Handsome? Isn't he some kind of latino player? Wow...how handsome :-(
On January 29 2012 21:48 Kira__ wrote: anyone who thinks incontrol is actually fat is clueless beyond belief. him and machine have the same waist size.
Just depends what you mean by fat. In America, 20 lbs overweight is considered normal. Machine is overweight. Incontrol is probably Obese (bf% of 25 is considered obese).
Do they both have muscle mass? Yea. But people who claim they are "pure muscle" are the clueless ones. Do they look like bodybuilders to you? They are individuals who have bulked up from the gym and the kitchen. It's impossible to gain muscle without gaining fat.
what an idiotic debate. noone is pure muscle and everybody bulks up from the kitchen. incontrol does bench press with like 160 kg iirc and he is probably stronger than three of the average poster here combined. i'm pretty neutral about incontrol but as someone who loves to work out in the gym for 10 years i have to defend him. let's not compare him to desrow who is the same weight and looks like someone who could be beaten up by a little girl. the argument "but he still has fat" is stupid cuz the difference between 15% and 50% bodyfat is very significant.
On January 28 2012 03:44 Team-Legion wrote: Hello TeamLiquid,
As many of you have already seen on desRow's twitter, desRow and Team legion have parted ways. This due to problems with housing arrangements. . We are sorry for all the fans of the team and desRow and want to let everyone know that we are still friends here.
im sure all 20 of his fans will appreciate this and understand, good luck to both! and also to team Legion
col.fats is here to jump on the bm bandwagon. everyone get ready for some unrequested singing.
Catz is pretty handsome tbh.
Handsome? Isn't he some kind of latino player? Wow...how handsome :-(
Slow down there, my fuhrer.
so yesterday i got a warning for making a bonjwa joke. TL admins at their finest.
why is this guy a featured streamer? why is thread even posted here?
Wasn't there a bunch of crap about how destiny wouldn't get featured or a fan club because he didn't put up any results? This guy isn't even near destiny in terms of accomplishments... which are what again?
On January 29 2012 23:23 Belial88 wrote: why is this guy a featured streamer? why is thread even posted here?
Wasn't there a bunch of crap about how destiny wouldn't get featured or a fan club because he didn't put up any results? This guy isn't even near destiny in terms of accomplishments... which are what again?
I like how people are mature "when i don't pick on his weight because hes overweight,i do that because hes a dick herp derp",really? That makes you a dumb fuck,a fat one.
I tought the TL community was better than this,I expect to read this kind of thing in a downvoted comment on reddit.
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