EPTMen's Fashion Thread - Page 443
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andyrau
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Pulselol
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Juliette
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i don't run real distances though. | ||
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oDieN[Siege]
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Artisreal
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A3th3r
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Juliette
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I know a dude who's super... whatever the word for us all here is. Wears a lot of SLP, Yeezys, all that stuff. But I also know him through a church thing, and it makes me curious how he reconciles dropping so much $$ (giving the benefit of the doubt where he gets it from) with personal values. I work in non-profit right now, so thinking about funding and budgets is always on my head, and I cannot justify spending $$ on clothes, even if I a) believe in the brand and trust that they have an ethical supply chain and b) really do care about self-presentation. It's not because I don't have the $$, because budgeting is a real thing, but because I'm conscious about where my cash flow goes, and there's so many better options to give $100 or $200 to than the labels and boutiques I'd buy from. Discussion Q is - what values do you lead with when buying stuff and re-allocating your disposable income? -- Swear I didn't mean to put this up on black friday but here we are. Also post your kops thx | ||
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andyrau
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On November 26 2017 11:21 Juliette wrote: need to process something, want your thoughts fam: I know a dude who's super... whatever the word for us all here is. Wears a lot of SLP, Yeezys, all that stuff. But I also know him through a church thing, and it makes me curious how he reconciles dropping so much $$ (giving the benefit of the doubt where he gets it from) with personal values. I work in non-profit right now, so thinking about funding and budgets is always on my head, and I cannot justify spending $$ on clothes, even if I a) believe in the brand and trust that they have an ethical supply chain and b) really do care about self-presentation. It's not because I don't have the $$, because budgeting is a real thing, but because I'm conscious about where my cash flow goes, and there's so many better options to give $100 or $200 to than the labels and boutiques I'd buy from. Discussion Q is - what values do you lead with when buying stuff and re-allocating your disposable income? -- Swear I didn't mean to put this up on black friday but here we are. Also post your kops thx hypebeast If I'm buying clothes as a necessity, then budgeting is definitely a prominent factor. If I'm buying clothes to look insert your word here, then my decision process generally goes - how wearable is it? - is there anyone making something similar for cheaper? - would I be comfortable with wearing said plagiarized clothing? - how many shares would i have to sell to buy it, and would it be worth it? ethics is not a topic i really think about. if someone is making ethically conscious clothing, they generally don't look that great or it's prohibitively expensive. either someone starts their brand with ethics as a core value, or it's an value-add to a designer portfolio, and neither of these are good for the end consumer for the reasons I mentioned earlier. | ||
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
On November 26 2017 15:12 andyrau wrote: hypebeast If I'm buying clothes as a necessity, then budgeting is definitely a prominent factor. If I'm buying clothes to look insert your word here, then my decision process generally goes - how wearable is it? - is there anyone making something similar for cheaper? - would I be comfortable with wearing said plagiarized clothing? - how many shares would i have to sell to buy it, and would it be worth it? ethics is not a topic i really think about. if someone is making ethically conscious clothing, they generally don't look that great or it's prohibitively expensive. either someone starts their brand with ethics as a core value, or it's an value-add to a designer portfolio, and neither of these are good for the end consumer for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Ethical clothing is definitely always a compromise. I was referring to a subjective judgment of "good enough," shit like Everlane (who name their factories and price markups, which is "good enough" for me), but in general I agree, it's a crapshoot of expensive vs. shitty. All to say that's a criteria for me but not necessarily for other people, but what are the other factors to decide reallocating $$ to that buy for other people? 2b is real, except instead of plagiarized I have to ask myself "do I /really/ want to wear *insert sports/music/cultural symbol* stuff out in public?" The answer is almost always no... so I wear plain clothes a lot. | ||
lichter
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for a lot of the factory workers in these places, working in these kinds of jobs is better than subsistence farming or working dangerous jobs (construction, chemical plants, etc). these industries are important in helping these countries develop and progress. it's not as simple as paying them more; pay them more and suddenly no one wants to buy their goods and they're out of the job. this isn't even touching how impossible it is to trace the supply chain (for a company that is big enough). yes, some brands try their very best to produce ethically and they should be lauded. but making that the basis of buying decisions is foolish. i haven't bought anything this black friday, because i haven't seen anything i want enough. most of the time my condition is price. do i like it enough at the current price? if the answer is yes then i buy it. | ||
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CorsairHero
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Carnivorous Sheep
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On November 27 2017 00:41 lichter wrote: just because something is made in china, bangladesh, or whatever developing country people suddenly feel guilt for, doesn't mean that it has a net negative effect on the people working in conditions that people in the western world would consider "substandard". for a lot of the factory workers in these places, working in these kinds of jobs is better than subsistence farming or working dangerous jobs (construction, chemical plants, etc). these industries are important in helping these countries develop and progress. it's not as simple as paying them more; pay them more and suddenly no one wants to buy their goods and they're out of the job. i agree with this and it's really presumptuous for people in the west, generally wealthy and self-considered "liberal" or "progressive" or whatever, to impose their own cultural/moral values on others, particularly people in developing nations. it's very condescending/patronizing and it's an arguably more nefarious form of racism than what they're often railing against. specifically, it's the (conscious or subconscious) idea that these people you're "protecting" are too stupid to protect themselves and need a Western Savior to rescue them | ||
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lichter
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i really cannot get past the feeling that it is either some sort of 'racism' for lack of a better term, or a sort of white person's guilt that causes people to insist that boycotting these companies is some sort of good. i find it ridiculous. | ||
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Juliette
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lichter
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in actual fashion news, got a pair of d05s (hoping it's not skinny) for myself and jesse kamm sailor pants for my gf | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
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i bought a pair of norse projects trousers, first time i bought something in 1+ years. i hope it's comfy. i dont really love the way how any of my pants really look, besides like, one pair of jeans. need to get some tailored at some point probably. | ||
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lichter
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andyrau
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at that point you really won't care if it's ethically made or not, just whether it's worth your money ethical sourcing is just a feel-good value addon for that product | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
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seem to fit pretty well FeelsGoodMan | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
feelsverymadman | ||
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