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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 21 2014 22:13 GMT
#5041
On October 22 2014 05:21 Fusilero wrote:
Richard Lewis said it, TSM.Santorin is basically confirmed. Idk about this but TSM isn't exactly big on options

Good for TSM imo. I have a high opinion of Santorin. Also a very stable personality I think.

Would suck a lot for Coast though. But then again they have dropped players fast themselves, so its only fair if it happens the other way around once.
Off-season = best season
ExceliosBeyond
Profile Joined September 2012
208 Posts
October 21 2014 22:19 GMT
#5042
On October 22 2014 07:13 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 05:21 Fusilero wrote:
Richard Lewis said it, TSM.Santorin is basically confirmed. Idk about this but TSM isn't exactly big on options

Good for TSM imo. I have a high opinion of Santorin. Also a very stable personality I think.

Would suck a lot for Coast though. But then again they have dropped players fast themselves, so its only fair if it happens the other way around once.


Coast is going to make TSM pay an arm and a leg for him, management has to know they'll likely lose the expansion tournament without him.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 21 2014 22:26 GMT
#5043
On October 22 2014 07:19 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 07:13 Redox wrote:
On October 22 2014 05:21 Fusilero wrote:
Richard Lewis said it, TSM.Santorin is basically confirmed. Idk about this but TSM isn't exactly big on options

Good for TSM imo. I have a high opinion of Santorin. Also a very stable personality I think.

Would suck a lot for Coast though. But then again they have dropped players fast themselves, so its only fair if it happens the other way around once.


Coast is going to make TSM pay an arm and a leg for him, management has to know they'll likely lose the expansion tournament without him.

Well depends on how long his contract runs or if he even has one. I would be surprised if he has a contract for next season when Coast doesnt even know if they will be in LCS..
Off-season = best season
ExceliosBeyond
Profile Joined September 2012
208 Posts
October 21 2014 22:30 GMT
#5044
On October 22 2014 07:26 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 07:19 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
On October 22 2014 07:13 Redox wrote:
On October 22 2014 05:21 Fusilero wrote:
Richard Lewis said it, TSM.Santorin is basically confirmed. Idk about this but TSM isn't exactly big on options

Good for TSM imo. I have a high opinion of Santorin. Also a very stable personality I think.

Would suck a lot for Coast though. But then again they have dropped players fast themselves, so its only fair if it happens the other way around once.


Coast is going to make TSM pay an arm and a leg for him, management has to know they'll likely lose the expansion tournament without him.

Well depends on how long his contract runs or if he even has one. I would be surprised if he has a contract for next season when Coast doesnt even know if they will be in LCS..


It would certainly run through the end of the expansion tournament though, so TSM would have limited (if any) practice with him for the next two months and would have to use subs if there is a BOTA equivalent or if they play in IEM.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
October 21 2014 22:36 GMT
#5045
On October 22 2014 06:53 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 06:15 Takkara wrote:
On October 22 2014 05:21 Fusilero wrote:
Richard Lewis said it, TSM.Santorin is basically confirmed. Idk about this but TSM isn't exactly big on options


Despite EG Helios seemingly being a fantastic fit for TSM, there has been absolutely no talk or rumors of even a tryout. I don't get it. He seems like a slam dunk pick for them, because he can do some shot calling as well.


Possibly because EG is also an LCS team that is paying him a good salary? All the TSM Helios rumors seem mostly driven by TSM fans and their wet dreams.


No, it's the best for Helios too. EG is a constant participant in the relegation system, so his position in the LCS is not secure with EG. Additionally, there is no bigger brand in LoL then TSM. Helios would make more money streaming and playing for TSM than he will make under the EG umbrella. He has a better chance to win worlds with TSM than he ever would for EG. Lastly, he has a professional history with multiple members of the TSM roster/staff, so it would be a comfortable environment for him.

It just makes sense.
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 22:47:02
October 21 2014 22:41 GMT
#5046
On October 22 2014 07:36 Takkara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 06:53 BrownBear wrote:
On October 22 2014 06:15 Takkara wrote:
On October 22 2014 05:21 Fusilero wrote:
Richard Lewis said it, TSM.Santorin is basically confirmed. Idk about this but TSM isn't exactly big on options


Despite EG Helios seemingly being a fantastic fit for TSM, there has been absolutely no talk or rumors of even a tryout. I don't get it. He seems like a slam dunk pick for them, because he can do some shot calling as well.


Possibly because EG is also an LCS team that is paying him a good salary? All the TSM Helios rumors seem mostly driven by TSM fans and their wet dreams.


No, it's the best for Helios too. EG is a constant participant in the relegation system, so his position in the LCS is not secure with EG. Additionally, there is no bigger brand in LoL then TSM. Helios would make more money streaming and playing for TSM than he will make under the EG umbrella. He has a better chance to win worlds with TSM than he ever would for EG. Lastly, he has a professional history with multiple members of the TSM roster/staff, so it would be a comfortable environment for him.

It just makes sense.


That's why if EG find legit toplane, it's easy call to place them over TSM, right? (:
But of course, Helios's relationships with Lustboy and Locodoco can't be understated.

Also, after next season there won't be any upsets in relegation tournaments most likely, training grounds level between LCS and CS is going to be waaaaay too big.

But anyway, i don't think TSM will care too much about paying some bucks for Santorin if they really want him, but it doesn't help their problems at all, Santorin is same jungle type of Amazing and basically worse k0u/Amin/Trashy, all this hype around him is just overrated, considering that guy is 0-6 in Promotion tournaments. (okay, let's forget about last Coast's 0-3 to EG, it was too messy).

Amazing required what, 6-7 weeks to drop that "i will carry you" mentality, Santorin will take even longer most likely so TSM will be extremely hard to judge whole season. But there will be completely new jungle so we'll see how it goes, even though, i don't think that Reginald and Loco want to really get physiotherapist for Bjergsen if WT is going to have same level of performance next season.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 21 2014 22:48 GMT
#5047
With LCS expanding + the 3 member rule, basically all major teams are going to have to curate scouting departments right? I mean, it seems to me that its a bad idea to have no B-Teams allowed plus have this expansion tournament. Basically, if you do have a farm team, the players (if good at all) will qualify for LCS now. Right?
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ExceliosBeyond
Profile Joined September 2012
208 Posts
October 21 2014 23:26 GMT
#5048
On October 22 2014 07:41 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 07:36 Takkara wrote:
On October 22 2014 06:53 BrownBear wrote:
On October 22 2014 06:15 Takkara wrote:
On October 22 2014 05:21 Fusilero wrote:
Richard Lewis said it, TSM.Santorin is basically confirmed. Idk about this but TSM isn't exactly big on options


Despite EG Helios seemingly being a fantastic fit for TSM, there has been absolutely no talk or rumors of even a tryout. I don't get it. He seems like a slam dunk pick for them, because he can do some shot calling as well.


Possibly because EG is also an LCS team that is paying him a good salary? All the TSM Helios rumors seem mostly driven by TSM fans and their wet dreams.


No, it's the best for Helios too. EG is a constant participant in the relegation system, so his position in the LCS is not secure with EG. Additionally, there is no bigger brand in LoL then TSM. Helios would make more money streaming and playing for TSM than he will make under the EG umbrella. He has a better chance to win worlds with TSM than he ever would for EG. Lastly, he has a professional history with multiple members of the TSM roster/staff, so it would be a comfortable environment for him.

It just makes sense.


That's why if EG find legit toplane, it's easy call to place them over TSM, right? (:
But of course, Helios's relationships with Lustboy and Locodoco can't be understated.

Also, after next season there won't be any upsets in relegation tournaments most likely, training grounds level between LCS and CS is going to be waaaaay too big.

But anyway, i don't think TSM will care too much about paying some bucks for Santorin if they really want him, but it doesn't help their problems at all, Santorin is same jungle type of Amazing and basically worse k0u/Amin/Trashy, all this hype around him is just overrated, considering that guy is 0-6 in Promotion tournaments. (okay, let's forget about last Coast's 0-3 to EG, it was too messy).

Amazing required what, 6-7 weeks to drop that "i will carry you" mentality, Santorin will take even longer most likely so TSM will be extremely hard to judge whole season. But there will be completely new jungle so we'll see how it goes, even though, i don't think that Reginald and Loco want to really get physiotherapist for Bjergsen if WT is going to have same level of performance next season.


I don't think it's really fair to pin C9E's failure on Santorin, dude had like one week to practice with the team and try to fill K0u's role. I mean, NiP gave Hulberto an entire CS split to try to mesh with the team and fill Amin's role, C9E were playing with K0u all the way up to the Spring CS final playoffs. Plus, Febiven, Odoamne, Hjarnan, etc. have all been established chokers as well given their recent 0-3 run VS CW.
bbc23
Profile Joined September 2013
United States416 Posts
October 21 2014 23:32 GMT
#5049
On October 22 2014 07:30 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 07:26 Redox wrote:
On October 22 2014 07:19 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
On October 22 2014 07:13 Redox wrote:
On October 22 2014 05:21 Fusilero wrote:
Richard Lewis said it, TSM.Santorin is basically confirmed. Idk about this but TSM isn't exactly big on options

Good for TSM imo. I have a high opinion of Santorin. Also a very stable personality I think.

Would suck a lot for Coast though. But then again they have dropped players fast themselves, so its only fair if it happens the other way around once.


Coast is going to make TSM pay an arm and a leg for him, management has to know they'll likely lose the expansion tournament without him.

Well depends on how long his contract runs or if he even has one. I would be surprised if he has a contract for next season when Coast doesnt even know if they will be in LCS..


It would certainly run through the end of the expansion tournament though, so TSM would have limited (if any) practice with him for the next two months and would have to use subs if there is a BOTA equivalent or if they play in IEM.

Not sure that's the way Santorin signed his contract. He obviously was signed through the end of season 4. However when the contract was signed the expansion tourney wasn't even announced, I doubt he would have signed a 1.5 year deal with a team that wasn't guaranteed to be in LCS at any point so I'd say it's likely he is or soon will be a free agent.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 00:13:48
October 21 2014 23:34 GMT
#5050
On October 22 2014 05:13 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 05:11 orzeu wrote:
On October 22 2014 05:10 -Zoda- wrote:
Maknoon mid ? Huuuh, not sure 'bout that one...
Dig putting Kiwi back to top as well uhhhhhhh not sure again... This team is seriously changing. Scarra staying as a coach seem a bit unsure as well, he's still streaming from the gaming house though.

I guess we need to wait a bit more to see how this turns out.

Doesn't they need to keep 3 player from last split for 3/5 rule?


AFAIK 3/5 rule only exists for promoted teams, not for teams that retain their spot.

If it does apply though, gets interesting as it means Zion wanted out of Dig, rather than being cut. Shiphtur possibly confirmed to be team cancer?


To clarify, here are the offcial rules on this:

3.2 Roster Requirements

Returning LCS Teams

No team may have on their roster more than two players at a time from any single starting lineup of a different team that played in either region of the LCS and/or any aspect of the Challenger Series (including play-in) in the last two completed Splits.

Entering CS Team

A Challenger Series team that wins its promotion match must play at least 3 members of the active roster that earned the spot in the LCS in the first game of the split.


Was first confused on this one, so had to edit. There is indeed no 3/5 rule for the returning LCS teams. You are only not allowed to have more than 2 from a single other team, so that you can not import a complete preexisting roster like EG did.
Off-season = best season
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 00:10:00
October 22 2014 00:00 GMT
#5051
nvm I got it
Off-season = best season
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 04:25:08
October 22 2014 01:43 GMT
#5052
Maknoon's team now has a name, Fusion Gaming.

Their mid is Huhi, formerly of Bigfile Miracle.

Supposedly, Piglet confirmed going to Curse on stream: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2jyoky/piglet_says_hes_joining_crs_on_stream_title_fixed/
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 22 2014 04:25 GMT
#5053
--- Nuked ---
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
October 22 2014 04:40 GMT
#5054
god fucking damnit i really didn't want it to be true :/
Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
October 22 2014 05:25 GMT
#5055
where is the info on Kiwikid going back to top lane?
TSM
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 06:30:12
October 22 2014 06:19 GMT
#5056
Huhi finds a new team before core from bigfile mirale? I call riots
On October 22 2014 14:25 Gator wrote:
where is the info on Kiwikid going back to top lane?

http://team-dignitas.net/profile/KiWiKiD
Dig's website lists him as top laner now
Glorious SEA doto
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
October 22 2014 06:40 GMT
#5057
Wait why is LMQ gone? A top 3 team in NA just disappeared....


And santorin wasnt even the top eu challenger jungler, below k0u and trashy. Dude has an uphill battle.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 09:04:11
October 22 2014 07:09 GMT
#5058

There 1s no need to howl at teammates though. Forg1ven, Copenhagen Wolves. Shouting at teammates, yeah it's gonna be forgiven
Also some speculate it to be bang because SKT T1S, landing with wolf and communication = SK telecommunications. Seems like such a stretch and SKT needs an ADC next year
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/lmq-announces-departure-of-vasilii-ackerman-noname/1100-2279/
Ask the question and it will be answered lol. Ackerman, vasilli and noname leave lomoQ.
Ackerman is going back to China to be with mikasa :>, noname retires and vasilli is looking for an NA team

Glorious SEA doto
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
October 22 2014 09:15 GMT
#5059
This is not the reality I wanted ):
One less reason for me to watch NA LCS now; time to revert back to watch the TW-HK half of GPL next season. (I've forgotten the name of it alr >_>)
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 22 2014 09:33 GMT
#5060
On October 22 2014 18:15 ShootAnonymous wrote:
This is not the reality I wanted ):
One less reason for me to watch NA LCS now; time to revert back to watch the TW-HK half of GPL next season. (I've forgotten the name of it alr >_>)

Well XWX and possibly also Vasili have decided to stay in NA LCS. Arguably the 2 best LMQ players. This news is a positive surpise for NA.
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