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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 17:52:48
October 22 2014 17:51 GMT
#5081
On October 23 2014 02:47 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2014 02:43 Fusilero wrote:
I don't think top 2 is free for piglet curse, C9 and full potential EG are still legit (especially if full potential EG tightens up their top lane) and I don't think piglet is that much better than altec or sneakycastro.


agreed. na's botlanes are its strongest point. definitely an upgrade for sure and I can see curse finishing a place or two above last year, but 1 team member in a role that isn't in need is hardly enough to make them the best. perhaps if they got like dandy I could see them be top 2 automatically lol


Place or two is already top-3, lol.
Unless Dignitas announce some random champions squad tonight, it has to be either best season in Curse's history or their biggest collapse.

Actually, yep.



On October 23 2014 02:49 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2014 02:47 krndandaman wrote:
On October 23 2014 02:43 Fusilero wrote:
I don't think top 2 is free for piglet curse, C9 and full potential EG are still legit (especially if full potential EG tightens up their top lane) and I don't think piglet is that much better than altec or sneakycastro.


agreed. na's botlanes are its strongest point. definitely an upgrade for sure and I can see curse finishing a place or two above last year, but 1 team member in a role that isn't in need is hardly enough to make them the best. perhaps if they got like dandy I could see them be top 2 automatically lol

The only reason they'll go up a place because lmq went 'booom!'


TSM won't be stronger with Santorin than this Curse's rosterm unless Bjergsen evolves to Faker finally, EG still needs toplane, CLG is, fuck it, i'm not calling anything about CLG, only C9 is call above Curse for sure.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 17:56:03
October 22 2014 17:54 GMT
#5082
Core has mentioned his intent to join dig but an announcement this soon when it seemed to suggest that core isn't in communication with dig yet suggests that it probably isn't him.
Glorious SEA doto
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
October 22 2014 17:55 GMT
#5083
On October 23 2014 02:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2014 02:47 krndandaman wrote:
On October 23 2014 02:43 Fusilero wrote:
I don't think top 2 is free for piglet curse, C9 and full potential EG are still legit (especially if full potential EG tightens up their top lane) and I don't think piglet is that much better than altec or sneakycastro.


agreed. na's botlanes are its strongest point. definitely an upgrade for sure and I can see curse finishing a place or two above last year, but 1 team member in a role that isn't in need is hardly enough to make them the best. perhaps if they got like dandy I could see them be top 2 automatically lol


Place or two is already top-3, lol.
Unless Dignitas announce some random champions squad tonight, it has to be either best season in Curse's history or their biggest collapse.

Actually, yep.

https://twitter.com/alexpenn/status/524967070057107457

Show nested quote +
On October 23 2014 02:49 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 23 2014 02:47 krndandaman wrote:
On October 23 2014 02:43 Fusilero wrote:
I don't think top 2 is free for piglet curse, C9 and full potential EG are still legit (especially if full potential EG tightens up their top lane) and I don't think piglet is that much better than altec or sneakycastro.


agreed. na's botlanes are its strongest point. definitely an upgrade for sure and I can see curse finishing a place or two above last year, but 1 team member in a role that isn't in need is hardly enough to make them the best. perhaps if they got like dandy I could see them be top 2 automatically lol

The only reason they'll go up a place because lmq went 'booom!'


TSM won't be stronger with Santorin than this Curse's rosterm unless Bjergsen evolves to Faker finally, EG still needs toplane, CLG is, fuck it, i'm not calling anything about CLG, only C9 is call above Curse for sure.

Santorin isn't even a lock. Only way Santorin gets on TSM is if Coast fails to get through expansion or gives up on trying for the spring split.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 22 2014 17:55 GMT
#5084
Why would you say that? TSM are swimming in cash. If they think Santorin is their best bet I don't see why he wouldn't join them.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 17:59:27
October 22 2014 17:58 GMT
#5085
On October 23 2014 02:55 Numy wrote:
Why would you say that? TSM are swimming in cash. If they think Santorin is their best bet I don't see why he wouldn't join them.

Coast has his contract and are trying to get into spring. If they let him go, they will assuredly not be able to make it. TSM would have to literally offer enough money to make Coast go "Fuck it."
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 22 2014 17:58 GMT
#5086
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 18:02:14
October 22 2014 17:59 GMT
#5087
On October 23 2014 02:58 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2014 02:55 Numy wrote:
Why would you say that? TSM are swimming in cash. If they think Santorin is their best bet I don't see why he wouldn't join them.

Coast has his contract and are trying to get into spring. If they let him go, they will assuredly not be able to make it.


They can go full Nyph, lol.
It's not like anyone gives too many fucks about possible BOTAs or IEMs.

On October 23 2014 02:58 krndandaman wrote:
I still want to know how the hint works though. I think it was a bad hint.


They just tried to play their best around Bang/Forg1ven rumours and drop both.
+ This silhouette is clearly Piglet.

On October 23 2014 03:00 Shiznick wrote:
Heh, that Alex Penn quote, "Winning is goal." Since when hasn't a pro player said winning was the goal.


A lot of teams consider just staying in LCS as success, Dignitas are one of them, considering sweet streaming moneys.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
October 22 2014 18:00 GMT
#5088
Heh, that Alex Penn quote, "Winning is goal." Since when hasn't a pro player said winning was the goal.
bbc23
Profile Joined September 2013
United States416 Posts
October 22 2014 18:02 GMT
#5089
On October 23 2014 02:58 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2014 02:55 Numy wrote:
Why would you say that? TSM are swimming in cash. If they think Santorin is their best bet I don't see why he wouldn't join them.

Coast has his contract and are trying to get into spring. If they let him go, they will assuredly not be able to make it. TSM would have to literally offer enough money to make Coast go "Fuck it."

Why does everyone say Coast has his contract when the majority of contracts are expiring right now and we have no idea what his status is? Since Coast isn't an LCS team we don't know the expiration date of Santorin. It could easily be over now or when the expansion tournament is over -and Coast isn't exactly a lock to win a spot.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
October 22 2014 18:12 GMT
#5090
On October 23 2014 03:02 bbc23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2014 02:58 Gahlo wrote:
On October 23 2014 02:55 Numy wrote:
Why would you say that? TSM are swimming in cash. If they think Santorin is their best bet I don't see why he wouldn't join them.

Coast has his contract and are trying to get into spring. If they let him go, they will assuredly not be able to make it. TSM would have to literally offer enough money to make Coast go "Fuck it."

Why does everyone say Coast has his contract when the majority of contracts are expiring right now and we have no idea what his status is? Since Coast isn't an LCS team we don't know the expiration date of Santorin. It could easily be over now or when the expansion tournament is over -and Coast isn't exactly a lock to win a spot.

Because Richard Lewis, afaik where the rumor became public from, said so? Most LCS level contracts are expiring now because the professional season is over, allowing teams to let go of players they don't want to re-up without taking a backlash on losing popular players by kicking them.

Santorin signed with Coast in the middle of May. Summer promotions took place in April. So, unless Coast signed Santorin purely so he could play in Coke series to get them in a position to qualify for S5 while they groom some underage jungler in Rekkles type situation, he's going to be under contract until expansion.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
October 22 2014 18:20 GMT
#5091
On October 23 2014 03:12 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2014 03:02 bbc23 wrote:
On October 23 2014 02:58 Gahlo wrote:
On October 23 2014 02:55 Numy wrote:
Why would you say that? TSM are swimming in cash. If they think Santorin is their best bet I don't see why he wouldn't join them.

Coast has his contract and are trying to get into spring. If they let him go, they will assuredly not be able to make it. TSM would have to literally offer enough money to make Coast go "Fuck it."

Why does everyone say Coast has his contract when the majority of contracts are expiring right now and we have no idea what his status is? Since Coast isn't an LCS team we don't know the expiration date of Santorin. It could easily be over now or when the expansion tournament is over -and Coast isn't exactly a lock to win a spot.

Because Richard Lewis, afaik where the rumor became public from, said so? Most LCS level contracts are expiring now because the professional season is over, allowing teams to let go of players they don't want to re-up without taking a backlash on losing popular players by kicking them.

Santorin signed with Coast in the middle of May. Summer promotions took place in April. So, unless Coast signed Santorin purely so he could play in Coke series to get them in a position to qualify for S5 while they groom some underage jungler in Rekkles type situation, he's going to be under contract until expansion.


It's also possible that Coast signed a really dumb contract that expires the same time as all LCS contracts, but I doubt it. So far all TSM jungle rumors have been pretty stupid.
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ExceliosBeyond
Profile Joined September 2012
208 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 18:26:13
October 22 2014 18:24 GMT
#5092
People are viewing the sale of Santorin as the sale of a player. If it was just that, I doubt Coast would think twice about it. But For Coast, losing Santorin would be losing their LCS spot. Plus, if they do not make it now, both Sheep and Mash have said this is their last hurrah, Sheep even called it quits after the promotion tournament before Mash managed to change his mind.

That's why I don't see TSM Santorin happening, or at least not until after the expansion tournament. If they lose Santorin now, they won't win the expansion tournament and they have to basically start from zero with a new team based around LOD and Cris.

Of course, maybe Coast management is truly that dumb that made a contract that expires by the end of the month, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on that one.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 22 2014 18:43 GMT
#5093
On October 23 2014 02:49 skykh wrote:
From playing with Faker to voyboy haha

This is another reason why I'm not on the Curse hype with this piglet pickup, piglet has never had the pressure of being a star player before. No ban focus at all, no lane focus at all. He has yet to prove he's the type of player who excels when teams focus on him.
liftlift > tsm
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 19:07:00
October 22 2014 19:04 GMT
#5094
On October 23 2014 03:12 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2014 03:02 bbc23 wrote:
On October 23 2014 02:58 Gahlo wrote:
On October 23 2014 02:55 Numy wrote:
Why would you say that? TSM are swimming in cash. If they think Santorin is their best bet I don't see why he wouldn't join them.

Coast has his contract and are trying to get into spring. If they let him go, they will assuredly not be able to make it. TSM would have to literally offer enough money to make Coast go "Fuck it."

Why does everyone say Coast has his contract when the majority of contracts are expiring right now and we have no idea what his status is? Since Coast isn't an LCS team we don't know the expiration date of Santorin. It could easily be over now or when the expansion tournament is over -and Coast isn't exactly a lock to win a spot.

Because Richard Lewis, afaik where the rumor became public from, said so? Most LCS level contracts are expiring now because the professional season is over, allowing teams to let go of players they don't want to re-up without taking a backlash on losing popular players by kicking them.

Santorin signed with Coast in the middle of May. Summer promotions took place in April. So, unless Coast signed Santorin purely so he could play in Coke series to get them in a position to qualify for S5 while they groom some underage jungler in Rekkles type situation, he's going to be under contract until expansion.

Richard Lewis did not say so. He said noone except Riot and Coast knows how long the Santorin contract runs. Also expansion tournament was only announced in late August while Santorin was signed in May. There were rumours about it before but I have no idea how much Coast already knew at that point. Bottom line is we have no idea about his contract, personally I would be surprised if it runs longer than promotion tournament.
Off-season = best season
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 22 2014 19:11 GMT
#5095
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 00:32:37
October 23 2014 00:31 GMT
#5096
Dig might have signed Vasili.



Tweet says hello in Chinese. Also followed Vasili on Twitter.
Another tweet says hello in Korean, so probably also a Korean signed.

Dunno how I feel about this. Its kinda like Vasili is forced to do this because he needs the money. And Dig will feel like a team of mercenaries. Then again its cool that Vasili stays in NA.
Off-season = best season
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
October 23 2014 00:38 GMT
#5097
Why do I have a feeling I'll be saying that Curse should have picked Vasili and Dig Piglet in 4-5 months... (daily reminder that Xpecial speaks mandarin).
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
October 23 2014 00:46 GMT
#5098
On October 23 2014 09:31 Redox wrote:
Dunno how I feel about this. Its kinda like Vasili is forced to do this because he needs the money. And Dig will feel like a team of mercenaries. Then again its cool that Vasili stays in NA.

Idc, we get to continue to watch Vasili and he is able to help his family financially as best as he can.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 23 2014 00:53 GMT
#5099
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 00:55:34
October 23 2014 00:54 GMT
#5100
On October 23 2014 09:46 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2014 09:31 Redox wrote:
Dunno how I feel about this. Its kinda like Vasili is forced to do this because he needs the money. And Dig will feel like a team of mercenaries. Then again its cool that Vasili stays in NA.

Idc, we get to continue to watch Vasili and he is able to help his family financially as best as he can.


Well, could be legit if they transferred Mor as well, then Dig could be considered as force and not Vasilii show.
This Korean is most likely Ryu, actually, but only because there are no toplaners rumoured to leave Korea so far, so i have no clue what is happening.



Also, Kiwikid apparently is going to be out, because he wasn't asked about re-signing even after expressing his desire to play for team.

Also throwing this.
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