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orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 16:22:19
October 19 2014 16:22 GMT
#4901
http://eune.lolesports.com/worlds/2014/worlds-2014/players/candypanda
So, all SK players contracts ends today. We will most likely see in next few hours if Jesiz stays.
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 16:41:42
October 19 2014 16:41 GMT
#4902
Incarnation, Sven, Forgiven the toxic dream is on !

Papa Nrated to keep them in check.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
October 19 2014 16:55 GMT
#4903
reddidurrs are suspecting Niels, and a guy says the replacement will suprise us
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
October 19 2014 17:15 GMT
#4904
There is always chance that Incarnation gets unbanned and Rekkles goes to SK. Most likely Niels tho.
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
October 19 2014 18:44 GMT
#4905
EU LCS needs some hype and excitement this split. Numbers were already way behind NA and after all teams going out in group stages, that probably wont change. But IF Incarnation gets free, I would totaly tune in, to see if he is the real deal. I prob would tune in anyways but come on Rito do it !
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 19:10:49
October 19 2014 19:04 GMT
#4906
So forgiven posted this
https://www.facebook.com/forg1ven247/posts/347400958717935
huge positive news coming also!


And candy is gone from SK. Oh my

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2jpm1t/rekkles_possibly_leaving_fnatic/
Rekkles has removed connections to fnatic from his social media, SK.Rekkles and FNC.Forgiven?
Glorious SEA doto
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 19:12:46
October 19 2014 19:10 GMT
#4907
China's mentality looks to be - when you aren't able to beat'em, buy'em.

Simultaneously weakening the Korean scene while improving their own is liable to produce results, but it won't be a 'clean' victory.

Regardless of how 'honorable' it is, however, such moves are liable to transfer the mecca of eSports from Korea to China unless KESPA stops it.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22454 Posts
October 19 2014 19:12 GMT
#4908
On October 20 2014 04:10 Azarkon wrote:
China's mentality looks to be - when you aren't able to beat'em, buy'em.

Simultaneously weakening the Korean scene while improving their own is liable to produce results, but it won't be a 'clean' victory.

It also doesn't help much since the best players are unlikely to leave.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 19:14:15
October 19 2014 19:13 GMT
#4909
On October 20 2014 03:44 Kenpark wrote:
EU LCS needs some hype and excitement this split. Numbers were already way behind NA and after all teams going out in group stages, that probably wont change. But IF Incarnation gets free, I would totaly tune in, to see if he is the real deal. I prob would tune in anyways but come on Rito do it !


Numbers were behind because apparently, NA streams more than EU, it has almost nothing to be with skillz + matchdays in general.

Thank God, now we can listen to whole year about "NA supremacy". :D

On October 20 2014 04:10 Azarkon wrote:
China's mentality looks to be - when you aren't able to beat'em, buy'em.

Simultaneously weakening the Korean scene while improving their own is liable to produce results, but it won't be a 'clean' victory.

Regardless of how 'honorable' it is, however, such moves are liable to transfer the mecca of eSports from Korea to China unless KESPA stops it.


I smell some Chinese salt here.
Oh, wait, what a poster.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
October 19 2014 19:16 GMT
#4910
On October 20 2014 04:12 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 04:10 Azarkon wrote:
China's mentality looks to be - when you aren't able to beat'em, buy'em.

Simultaneously weakening the Korean scene while improving their own is liable to produce results, but it won't be a 'clean' victory.

It also doesn't help much since the best players are unlikely to leave.


I'd think players from KTA, KTB, and SSB constitute 'best players.'
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 19 2014 19:16 GMT
#4911
rekkles+incarnation incoming.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 19 2014 19:17 GMT
#4912
At that point insec probably not, zero never really got his chance to shine because playing maokai jungle for KTB lmao. The grab of kakao/rookie/deft is big though
Glorious SEA doto
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 19 2014 19:49 GMT
#4913
On October 20 2014 04:12 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 04:10 Azarkon wrote:
China's mentality looks to be - when you aren't able to beat'em, buy'em.

Simultaneously weakening the Korean scene while improving their own is liable to produce results, but it won't be a 'clean' victory.

It also doesn't help much since the best players are unlikely to leave.


Except the best Jungler, and top 3 mid/ADC leaving is...kinda that.

The problem with buying players is you lose out on the first few years of their prime, and most players have short primes, so its always risky. And expensive.
Freeeeeeedom
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
October 19 2014 20:16 GMT
#4914
On October 20 2014 04:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 03:44 Kenpark wrote:
EU LCS needs some hype and excitement this split. Numbers were already way behind NA and after all teams going out in group stages, that probably wont change. But IF Incarnation gets free, I would totaly tune in, to see if he is the real deal. I prob would tune in anyways but come on Rito do it !


Numbers were behind because apparently, NA streams more than EU, it has almost nothing to be with skillz + matchdays in general.

Thank God, now we can listen to whole year about "NA supremacy". :D



I'm pretty sure it has something to do with EU games being boring as fuck too.
Fan of the Jangbanger
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 20:23:38
October 19 2014 20:22 GMT
#4915
On October 20 2014 05:16 O-ops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 04:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On October 20 2014 03:44 Kenpark wrote:
EU LCS needs some hype and excitement this split. Numbers were already way behind NA and after all teams going out in group stages, that probably wont change. But IF Incarnation gets free, I would totaly tune in, to see if he is the real deal. I prob would tune in anyways but come on Rito do it !


Numbers were behind because apparently, NA streams more than EU, it has almost nothing to be with skillz + matchdays in general.

Thank God, now we can listen to whole year about "NA supremacy". :D



I'm pretty sure it has something to do with EU games being boring as fuck too.


It's not like Curse and coL games were particularly interesting, not saying about TSM/Dignitas.
People just tend to follow random stereotypes and ignore everything else.

+ It's not like every EU game was hour+ with teams not doing anything at all.

But seriously, you can just swap EU to weekends while NA will be forced to play mid-week and then check.

On October 20 2014 04:49 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 04:12 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 20 2014 04:10 Azarkon wrote:
China's mentality looks to be - when you aren't able to beat'em, buy'em.

Simultaneously weakening the Korean scene while improving their own is liable to produce results, but it won't be a 'clean' victory.

It also doesn't help much since the best players are unlikely to leave.


Except the best Jungler, and top 3 mid/ADC leaving is...kinda that.

The problem with buying players is you lose out on the first few years of their prime, and most players have short primes, so its always risky. And expensive.


Best jungler is still in Korea :>
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 19 2014 20:39 GMT
#4916
On October 20 2014 05:16 O-ops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 04:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On October 20 2014 03:44 Kenpark wrote:
EU LCS needs some hype and excitement this split. Numbers were already way behind NA and after all teams going out in group stages, that probably wont change. But IF Incarnation gets free, I would totaly tune in, to see if he is the real deal. I prob would tune in anyways but come on Rito do it !


Numbers were behind because apparently, NA streams more than EU, it has almost nothing to be with skillz + matchdays in general.

Thank God, now we can listen to whole year about "NA supremacy". :D



I'm pretty sure it has something to do with EU games being boring as fuck too.

There are literally no facts that supports this.
EU and NA games are both about equally fast, have equal amount of kills, have equal champion diversity etc. I think EU is even slightly ahead in all 3 categories. If one broadcasted NA games as EU games by changing player names, these would suddenly be called boring, There is no way you could tell a difference.
It is simply caring or not caring about certain teams and players. And a healthy dose of confirmation bias.

And Wonderful is right, streaming is extremely important. It is how TSM and CLG got popular in the first place. And it is so very understandable. Streaming from first person makes the viewer identify with the streamer. Similar to how we tend to identify with a first-person narrator in a book we read, even if he is not like us at all.

Interesting example was when Impaler streamed for the first time last days. Suddenly he seems to become popular, while noone gave a fuck about him before. You could read things like "I never care about EU LCS, but I will surely folow you guys" "You are my favorite team now" etc.
Pobelter also gained a lot of popularity now through streaming.

Teams that dont force their players to stream their soloQ games are so incredibly stupid. As are those that stream on Azubu, no matter how much money they get for it. This should have already cost Curse a lot of popularity.


Off-season = best season
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
October 19 2014 20:56 GMT
#4917
On October 20 2014 05:39 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 05:16 O-ops wrote:
On October 20 2014 04:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On October 20 2014 03:44 Kenpark wrote:
EU LCS needs some hype and excitement this split. Numbers were already way behind NA and after all teams going out in group stages, that probably wont change. But IF Incarnation gets free, I would totaly tune in, to see if he is the real deal. I prob would tune in anyways but come on Rito do it !


Numbers were behind because apparently, NA streams more than EU, it has almost nothing to be with skillz + matchdays in general.

Thank God, now we can listen to whole year about "NA supremacy". :D



I'm pretty sure it has something to do with EU games being boring as fuck too.

There are literally no facts that supports this.
EU and NA games are both about equally fast, have equal amount of kills, have equal champion diversity etc. I think EU is even slightly ahead in all 3 categories. If one broadcasted NA games as EU games by changing player names, these would suddenly be called boring, There is no way you could tell a difference.
It is simply caring or not caring about certain teams and players. And a healthy dose of confirmation bias.

And Wonderful is right, streaming is extremely important. It is how TSM and CLG got popular in the first place. And it is so very understandable. Streaming from first person makes the viewer identify with the streamer. Similar to how we tend to identify with a first-person narrator in a book we read, even if he is not like us at all.

Interesting example was when Impaler streamed for the first time last days. Suddenly he seems to become popular, while noone gave a fuck about him before. You could read things like "I never care about EU LCS, but I will surely folow you guys" "You are my favorite team now" etc.
Pobelter also gained a lot of popularity now through streaming.

Teams that dont force their players to stream their soloQ games are so incredibly stupid. As are those that stream on Azubu, no matter how much money they get for it. This should have already cost Curse a lot of popularity.



It's super hard for "new players" (post s2/s3) that aren't on TSM/CLG to build up audience, especially in EU.
Look at Alliance players, Tabzz/Shook streamed for like 500 viewers for whole split when they were top 1. Their streams weren't even bad, they answer question etc.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 21:03:56
October 19 2014 21:02 GMT
#4918
To make this thread a little more fun:

Poll: Where will Rekkles go?

SK Gaming (2)
 
20%

Alliance (2)
 
20%

a different team (0)
 
0%

stays with Fnatic (6)
 
60%

10 total votes

Your vote: Where will Rekkles go?

(Vote): SK Gaming
(Vote): Alliance
(Vote): a different team
(Vote): stays with Fnatic



my opinion:
+ Show Spoiler +
Alliance
Off-season = best season
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
October 19 2014 21:07 GMT
#4919
Going to spoil it, because you have.

+ Show Spoiler +
No literal reason, Rekkles won't interact well with Froggen/Wickd + it's not [A] mentality at all.


I'm going with Rekkles staying with Fnatic, there is literally no way he finds better team, especially if Jesiz stays in SK, that's somewhere on level of Rekkles going to CPHW.

For funs.

+ Show Spoiler +
Wanna see Rekkles going to G2, just because MONEYS AND WASTED TALENT, ARE WE DIGITAL SPORTS NOW.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 19 2014 21:10 GMT
#4920
On October 20 2014 06:07 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Going to spoil it, because you have.

+ Show Spoiler +
No literal reason, Rekkles won't interact well with Froggen/Wickd + it's not [A] mentality at all.


I'm going with Rekkles staying with Fnatic, there is literally no way he finds better team, especially if Jesiz stays in SK, that's somewhere on level of Rekkles going to CPHW.

For funs.

+ Show Spoiler +
Wanna see Rekkles going to G2, just because MONEYS AND WASTED TALENT, ARE WE DIGITAL SPORTS NOW.

I agree that there is no better team for him than Fnatic. Before the latest news I was very sure he would stay. It is just that the social media clues are so damn obvious.
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