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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35154 Posts
October 12 2014 04:06 GMT
#4661
On October 12 2014 12:58 Slusher wrote:
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On October 12 2014 12:56 ShootAnonymous wrote:
On October 12 2014 12:06 Slusher wrote:
On October 12 2014 06:44 Numy wrote:
On October 12 2014 06:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So if they change him for an NA player, they could change another NA player for a foreign one right?


Nah they would have to change Lustboy/Bjerg as well.


I thought their entire current roster counted as NA, for grandfather reasons?

not to mention we STILL don't have a definition of what an NA resident is, and Bjergson has lived her for a year so it's possible he doesn't count against them either way

Resident = resided in NA for 2 out of the past 3 years.

That means Berj, the whole of LMQ, and Dexter all become residents some time in the next year provided they continue residing in NA. Before then, neither TSM, LMQ nor CLG can bring in further imports. TSM and LMQ cannot swap out an existing import for another, unless they drop a minimum of one import in addition to the swapping.


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Implementation of Rule Change; Grandfathering. Any player on the Active Roster of an LCS team or a CS team who participated in the most recent Promotion Tournament at the time of this policy change who would not satisfy the Resident definition in 1.2(a) will be considered an "exempt non-resident", which allows such a player to count towards the three Residents required


Lustboy, Bjerg and Dexter all count as NA as well as whatever members of LMQ stay on the team if the org still exists?

Exempt non-residents still count towards the cap, they just can't be forced off because of it.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-12 04:20:09
October 12 2014 04:14 GMT
#4662
the wording says otherwise, I'm either right or the article is very poorly written

ok I see, I still think using the wording "count towards the three Residents required" is pretty awful all things considered
Carrilord has arrived.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 12 2014 04:37 GMT
#4663
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 12 2014 04:39 GMT
#4664
They need a jungle shotcaller to ease some of the burden off Bjergson IMO so he can, crush lane like he is supposed to (and does when they win) more consistently.
Freeeeeeedom
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
October 12 2014 05:00 GMT
#4665
On October 12 2014 13:14 Slusher wrote:
the wording says otherwise, I'm either right or the article is very poorly written

ok I see, I still think using the wording "count towards the three Residents required" is pretty awful all things considered

sketchy/ambiguous/less-than-optimal rule wording from Riot, what's new.
I'm just glad they gave multiple examples, so at least we know for sure in these specific circumstances what can & cannot happen.

inb4 TSM Dexter
He's the best option TSM has right now (since I don't see Berj or lustboy being dropped), unless someone knows of a really good NACS/Challenger jungle player?
RIP DotA Kings | BurNIng : Mushi : iceiceice : LaNm : MMY!
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 12 2014 05:02 GMT
#4666
I don't think in a million years it will happen but I want Azingy
Carrilord has arrived.
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-12 05:29:07
October 12 2014 05:28 GMT
#4667
On October 12 2014 14:02 Slusher wrote:
I don't think in a million years it will happen but I want Azingy

oh that jungle karthus player! (that's the only thing I rmbr about him from the few matches his team played against LMQ >_>)
Why do you think it'll be unlikely? Things, like TSM picking up Gleeb as a replacement for Xpecial, have happened before. It's not like TSM has a lot to choose from with the 3/5 rule restricting them.
RIP DotA Kings | BurNIng : Mushi : iceiceice : LaNm : MMY!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35154 Posts
October 12 2014 05:34 GMT
#4668
On October 12 2014 13:39 cLutZ wrote:
They need a jungle shotcaller to ease some of the burden off Bjergson IMO so he can, crush lane like he is supposed to (and does when they win) more consistently.

I think barring getting somebody in a Dexter-like situation, Xmithie is the best option.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 12 2014 08:26 GMT
#4669



Deft to leave samsung blue?
Glorious SEA doto
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-12 08:48:16
October 12 2014 08:46 GMT
#4670
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35154 Posts
October 12 2014 12:36 GMT
#4671
On October 12 2014 17:26 Fusilero wrote:
https://twitter.com/insideKLoL/status/521177060849369090
https://twitter.com/insideKLoL/status/521177162364116992
https://twitter.com/insideKLoL/status/521177214390243328
Deft to leave samsung blue?

Given the shift to 1 team orgs, Samsung will probably drop all of Blue.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 12 2014 13:21 GMT
#4672
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Zizoz
Profile Joined June 2012
United States232 Posts
October 12 2014 13:48 GMT
#4673
Could TSM:
1. switch Bjergsen or Lustboy for an NA player,
2. switch Amazing for an imported jungler,
3. switch back to Bjergsen/Lustboy?

I think this is permissible by Riot's rules, but maybe I'm missing something since I don't follow the scene much or anything.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 12 2014 13:49 GMT
#4674
Doesn't quite work like that, interesting thing though is that helios' contract expires soon and it is allowed to trade a non-resident already in NA for another
Glorious SEA doto
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35154 Posts
October 12 2014 13:52 GMT
#4675
On October 12 2014 22:48 Zizoz wrote:
Could TSM:
1. switch Bjergsen or Lustboy for an NA player,
2. switch Amazing for an imported jungler,
3. switch back to Bjergsen/Lustboy?

I think this is permissible by Riot's rules, but maybe I'm missing something since I don't follow the scene much or anything.

1. They could, but it's be a massive downgrade unless they could get xpecial back from Curse.
2. No, he'd be their 3rd nonresident.
3. What?
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-12 13:59:12
October 12 2014 13:53 GMT
#4676
On October 12 2014 22:48 Zizoz wrote:
Could TSM:
1. switch Bjergsen or Lustboy for an NA player,


2Resident+ 3exempts -> 3Resident + 2 exempt: Possible

2. switch Amazing for an imported jungler,

3Resident + 2 exempt -> 3Resident + 1 exempt + 1 import: Possible

3. switch back to Bjergsen/Lustboy?

3Resident + 1 exempt + 1 import -> 2Resident + 2 Exempt + 1import : Not Possible?

Dammit the examples didn't cover but it feels unlikely because you're replacing a Resident with an Import, which is what the rule was supposed to restrict. If going roundabout-ly like this would circumvent... Riot pls. xD
RIP DotA Kings | BurNIng : Mushi : iceiceice : LaNm : MMY!
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
October 12 2014 13:57 GMT
#4677
By the way, all this talk of Winter OGN being cancelled and OGN teams not being abled to be sponsored by the same team is all Riot's idea, the geniuses who has been the shining beacon of light as we have witnessed thus far.

Exactly who is this for?

1) The players? Anyone with half a brain can figure out that's not the case.
2) The poor multi-billion dollar organizations like Samsung who might struggle supporting two teams? Are you kidding me?
3) To make it easier for those once a year arm-chair fans who finds it too hard to differentiate between Samsung Galaxy Blue and Samsung Galaxy White? Who cares? They're all faceless Koreans to them anyhow.
4) To cut down on the temptations of match-fixing and collusion? Seriously? This is where you start? By limiting the participation of respected, experienced sponsorships and letting unchecked "companies" like AHQ and Monster Gaming get their dirty hands on these young kids?
5) To ensure all regions are treated equally? They're not equal to start with. China never gets their patches on time. Europe and North America have money thrown at them directly by Riot Gaming. Exactly what kind of equality is Riot Gaming looking for here?

There's a lot of things I hate about the E-sports scene in Korea, but Riot Gaming is the LAST organization that I'd want to fix the ongoing issues that exists over here. Blizzard fucked things up years before thinking they knew better when they obviously didn't, and it's just a tragedy how Riot Gaming just waltzes everywhere thinking they know everything just because their marketting of the game happened to be successful.
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Zizoz
Profile Joined June 2012
United States232 Posts
October 12 2014 13:57 GMT
#4678
Would 3. not fall under "Team is starting three residents, two non-residents, and wants to replace a resident with an exempt non-resident" which is a permissible roster move?
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-12 14:14:01
October 12 2014 14:01 GMT
#4679
On October 12 2014 22:57 Zizoz wrote:
Would 3. not fall under "Team is starting three residents, two non-residents, and wants to replace a resident with an exempt non-resident" which is a permissible roster move?


The final equation would be 2Resident+ 3exempts into 2Resident + 2 Exempt + 1import which is explicitly stated to be not possible though...

Riot pls?

Final Edit: interesting loophole you've discovered. inb4 this is actually TSM's plan. They even have people in the org ready to carry this out. (Amazing -> Nightblue, someone->someone foreign, Nightblue->Amazing)

Maybe there's some rule somewhere along the lines of once an official Riot-sanctioned roster change has been made (be it in or out of a team) the player then goes into transfer cooldown (cannot enter/re-enter the team)?
RIP DotA Kings | BurNIng : Mushi : iceiceice : LaNm : MMY!
SimulatedAnneal
Profile Joined March 2012
765 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-12 14:20:49
October 12 2014 14:15 GMT
#4680
Here are the 3 legal moves TSM can make to bring in a Korean jungler.

1. Bench Lustboy for Oddone. In order to be legal they need another resident on their bench but that shouldn't block them.
2. Sign Kakao. Legal because their team is now 3 residents, 1 exempt non-resident, 1 non-resident.
3. Promote Lustboy, bench Oddone. Legal under example 2 of permissible roster moves. "Team is starting three residents, two non-residents, and wants to replace a resident with an exempt non-resident."

http://na.lolesports.com/articles/interregional-movement-and-expansion-tournament

On October 12 2014 23:01 ShootAnonymous wrote:

Maybe there's some rule somewhere along the lines of once an official Riot-sanctioned roster change has been made (be it in or out of a team) the player then goes into transfer cooldown (cannot enter/re-enter the team)?


There is if you trade a player and want him traded back but it's relatively short(3 weeks?). Remember the Link to C9 trade.
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