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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
September 04 2014 17:14 GMT
#3961
On September 05 2014 01:44 AlterKot wrote:
yeah man but the hype of watching together and commenting in the lr thread


Biggest hype is going to be reveal show anyway, rofl.
Everyone will go ham for 2 weeks before Worlds, how every non-Korean team has a sick schedule and can go to the finals and then 3 weeks of complete hardcore whine of NA/EU fanboys/fangirls.

I just hope that OGN will make introduction to the final at least.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 04 2014 17:55 GMT
#3962
I just hope the reveal show goes well and the groups are fair and there are no claims of fixing >_>
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 04 2014 18:01 GMT
#3963
There will always be claims of fixing silly wonderboy
Glorious SEA doto
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 18:39:07
September 04 2014 18:02 GMT
#3964
Yeah I know, but I just hope it's kept to a minimum. But now that CSheep is gone I guess we won't have him around spamming "FIXEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD" "RIGGGGGGGGEDDDDDDDDD" at least.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 04 2014 18:17 GMT
#3965

4.14 with gnar will be the patch for promos and worlds
Glorious SEA doto
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 04 2014 18:39 GMT
#3966
On September 05 2014 03:17 Fusilero wrote:
https://twitter.com/RiotTiza/status/507588858389610496
4.14 with gnar will be the patch for promos and worlds

Nice! Gives pros a few months of patch to figure out instead of a few weeks. Not as good as 6mo+ cycles but a definite improvement over previous years.
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
September 04 2014 19:00 GMT
#3967
On September 05 2014 03:39 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 03:17 Fusilero wrote:
https://twitter.com/RiotTiza/status/507588858389610496
4.14 with gnar will be the patch for promos and worlds

Nice! Gives pros a few months of patch to figure out instead of a few weeks. Not as good as 6mo+ cycles but a definite improvement over previous years.


Worlds are in 2 weeks, relegations next week, can't call it as few months.

Gosh, Worlds in 2 weeks, ohboy. Another season of hopes is half dead. Really wish that groups with Wildcards will have 3 legit teams each, not something like TSM-Fnatic-ahQ-Wildcard, if it happens though, i will be first to claim groupfixing.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 04 2014 19:06 GMT
#3968
On September 05 2014 04:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 03:39 xes wrote:
On September 05 2014 03:17 Fusilero wrote:
https://twitter.com/RiotTiza/status/507588858389610496
4.14 with gnar will be the patch for promos and worlds

Nice! Gives pros a few months of patch to figure out instead of a few weeks. Not as good as 6mo+ cycles but a definite improvement over previous years.


Worlds are in 2 weeks, relegations next week, can't call it as few months.

Gosh, Worlds in 2 weeks, ohboy. Another season of hopes is half dead. Really wish that groups with Wildcards will have 3 legit teams each, not something like TSM-Fnatic-ahQ-Wildcard, if it happens though, i will be first to claim groupfixing.

They've already been playing on 4.14 though.
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 19:16:39
September 04 2014 19:16 GMT
#3969
On September 05 2014 04:06 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 04:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 05 2014 03:39 xes wrote:
On September 05 2014 03:17 Fusilero wrote:
https://twitter.com/RiotTiza/status/507588858389610496
4.14 with gnar will be the patch for promos and worlds

Nice! Gives pros a few months of patch to figure out instead of a few weeks. Not as good as 6mo+ cycles but a definite improvement over previous years.


Worlds are in 2 weeks, relegations next week, can't call it as few months.

Gosh, Worlds in 2 weeks, ohboy. Another season of hopes is half dead. Really wish that groups with Wildcards will have 3 legit teams each, not something like TSM-Fnatic-ahQ-Wildcard, if it happens though, i will be first to claim groupfixing.

They've already been playing on 4.14 though.


Only real deal with 4.15 is lack of Alistar toplane, noone plays Sivir/Urgot anyway or buying essence reaver (good guys).
Also it's pre-buff Gnar, so it's good.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 04 2014 19:26 GMT
#3970
Still better than sudden Triforce rework last year.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 19:41:24
September 04 2014 19:38 GMT
#3971
On September 05 2014 04:26 AsnSensation wrote:
Still better than sudden Triforce rework last year.


Only player who got affected by it was puzsu, who just played op Corki every game he could and won basically every game with it :D
Outside of Genja's Kog'Maw ofc, but it was more about Genja himself because imp failed hardcore with it next day after seeing it + those Ezreals mid were going iceborn anyway. Plus, neither of ads at S3 Worlds was particularly famous for his Ezreal play, like Doublelift or WeiXiao back in the days, so this effect was negated. Well, PraY was considered as top-player on Ezreal but when he picked it in G5 against SKT T1 K, we all remember how did it end.

Gosh, only team to really use a lot of Ezreal were Lemondogs in S3 Summer, from all Worlds teams.

Now it's going to be interesting, are teams going to first ban Alistar every game or they have already figured how to deal with it.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 04 2014 19:51 GMT
#3972
who said that triforce only affected Corki/ad carries?

The shit you sometimes post....
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35153 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 20:05:02
September 04 2014 20:02 GMT
#3973
On September 05 2014 01:36 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 01:24 Gahlo wrote:
On September 05 2014 01:21 AsnSensation wrote:
Schedule is pretty good for a university student since I'm free until mid october. Not sure if intentional but Riot always manages to piss off East Coast? Even when Worlds is in their own country but games last year ran till like 2 or 3 am right?

Yeah, and the rebroadcast that's supposed to fix anything starts at 1pm here. Completely fucks over everybody in K-12, most people in college, and everybody with a day job.

Rebroadcast time is irrelevant anyway since you can watch the VODs whenever you want.

Problem with vods:
I can look at a runtime and call out a end score.
I can see individual video length and the game loses a lot of tension when I know it's winding down.
I can see a list of 3/4 videos for a Bo5 and possibly know who wins 2 games in.

On September 05 2014 04:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 03:39 xes wrote:
On September 05 2014 03:17 Fusilero wrote:
https://twitter.com/RiotTiza/status/507588858389610496
4.14 with gnar will be the patch for promos and worlds

Nice! Gives pros a few months of patch to figure out instead of a few weeks. Not as good as 6mo+ cycles but a definite improvement over previous years.


Worlds are in 2 weeks, relegations next week, can't call it as few months.

Gosh, Worlds in 2 weeks, ohboy. Another season of hopes is half dead. Really wish that groups with Wildcards will have 3 legit teams each, not something like TSM-Fnatic-ahQ-Wildcard, if it happens though, i will be first to claim groupfixing.

They're releasing a video of them making the groups.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 20:12:00
September 04 2014 20:06 GMT
#3974
On September 05 2014 04:51 AsnSensation wrote:
who said that triforce only affected Corki/ad carries?

The shit you sometimes post....


It's not like it affected anything else, Irelia wasn't played, neither jungler/mid was triforce based and Jax was barely touched at Worlds, outside of Gogoing and Expession/Impact and considering Gogoing picking Jax in LPL playoffs, you can think that it wasn't because triforce got buffed or anything.

Shen/Renekton/Kennen/Zac still were way superior.

On September 05 2014 05:02 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 01:36 Redox wrote:
On September 05 2014 01:24 Gahlo wrote:
On September 05 2014 01:21 AsnSensation wrote:
Schedule is pretty good for a university student since I'm free until mid october. Not sure if intentional but Riot always manages to piss off East Coast? Even when Worlds is in their own country but games last year ran till like 2 or 3 am right?

Yeah, and the rebroadcast that's supposed to fix anything starts at 1pm here. Completely fucks over everybody in K-12, most people in college, and everybody with a day job.

Rebroadcast time is irrelevant anyway since you can watch the VODs whenever you want.

Problem with vods:
I can look at a runtime and call out a end score.
I can see individual video length and the game loses a lot of tension when I know it's winding down.
I can see a list of 3/4 videos for a Bo5 and possibly know who wins 2 games in.

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 04:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 05 2014 03:39 xes wrote:
On September 05 2014 03:17 Fusilero wrote:
https://twitter.com/RiotTiza/status/507588858389610496
4.14 with gnar will be the patch for promos and worlds

Nice! Gives pros a few months of patch to figure out instead of a few weeks. Not as good as 6mo+ cycles but a definite improvement over previous years.


Worlds are in 2 weeks, relegations next week, can't call it as few months.

Gosh, Worlds in 2 weeks, ohboy. Another season of hopes is half dead. Really wish that groups with Wildcards will have 3 legit teams each, not something like TSM-Fnatic-ahQ-Wildcard, if it happens though, i will be first to claim groupfixing.

They're releasing a video of them making the groups.


You always can claim that some balls were warmer than other, like it happens every World Cup draw.
Actually, they're going to have spoiler-free VODs on lolesports, so i guess, we can safely watch it without being spoiled, just need to avoid twitter and TL.
And you can watch whole youtube broadcast always, not knowing how many games were there.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35153 Posts
September 04 2014 21:31 GMT
#3975
On September 05 2014 05:06 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 04:51 AsnSensation wrote:
who said that triforce only affected Corki/ad carries?

The shit you sometimes post....


It's not like it affected anything else, Irelia wasn't played, neither jungler/mid was triforce based and Jax was barely touched at Worlds, outside of Gogoing and Expession/Impact and considering Gogoing picking Jax in LPL playoffs, you can think that it wasn't because triforce got buffed or anything.

Shen/Renekton/Kennen/Zac still were way superior.

Pick/ban doesn't support that. While the tournament was littered with Shen/Renekton, Kennen had a p/b of 4/8, Zac 14/3, and Jax 11/4. So he was close to Zac and oupaced Kennen as far as usage goes. To say Jax had no + Show Spoiler +
...fuck me
impact at S3WC is fallacious.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
September 04 2014 22:48 GMT
#3976
On September 05 2014 05:02 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 01:36 Redox wrote:
On September 05 2014 01:24 Gahlo wrote:
On September 05 2014 01:21 AsnSensation wrote:
Schedule is pretty good for a university student since I'm free until mid october. Not sure if intentional but Riot always manages to piss off East Coast? Even when Worlds is in their own country but games last year ran till like 2 or 3 am right?

Yeah, and the rebroadcast that's supposed to fix anything starts at 1pm here. Completely fucks over everybody in K-12, most people in college, and everybody with a day job.

Rebroadcast time is irrelevant anyway since you can watch the VODs whenever you want.

Problem with vods:
I can look at a runtime and call out a end score.
I can see individual video length and the game loses a lot of tension when I know it's winding down.
I can see a list of 3/4 videos for a Bo5 and possibly know who wins 2 games in.

Seems to me you dont know http://www.reddit.com/r/LoLeventVoDs/.
Only 1 of those points is somewhat true - individual game length. But even that is not exact since they often end some time after the game with analysis and stuff. And with the VOD system Riot will use at worlds they might take care of that as well.
Off-season = best season
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 23:10:03
September 04 2014 23:09 GMT
#3977

Incarnati0n will not even be with SK at the bootcamp, oh boy.
To clarify why I'm posting this the initial announcement was only that he couldn't go backstage, some speculated (on reddit at least) that he may still help them bootcamp or remote coach. He will be doing neither.
Glorious SEA doto
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
September 04 2014 23:15 GMT
#3978
Whats really interesting is after this worlds i gonna look if more champs got used then in the worlds before. I mean more champs used would be a pretty positive indicator of balance. xD
Science>Mechanics
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
September 04 2014 23:31 GMT
#3979
On September 05 2014 07:48 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 05:02 Gahlo wrote:
On September 05 2014 01:36 Redox wrote:
On September 05 2014 01:24 Gahlo wrote:
On September 05 2014 01:21 AsnSensation wrote:
Schedule is pretty good for a university student since I'm free until mid october. Not sure if intentional but Riot always manages to piss off East Coast? Even when Worlds is in their own country but games last year ran till like 2 or 3 am right?

Yeah, and the rebroadcast that's supposed to fix anything starts at 1pm here. Completely fucks over everybody in K-12, most people in college, and everybody with a day job.

Rebroadcast time is irrelevant anyway since you can watch the VODs whenever you want.

Problem with vods:
I can look at a runtime and call out a end score.
I can see individual video length and the game loses a lot of tension when I know it's winding down.
I can see a list of 3/4 videos for a Bo5 and possibly know who wins 2 games in.

Seems to me you dont know http://www.reddit.com/r/LoLeventVoDs/.
Only 1 of those points is somewhat true - individual game length. But even that is not exact since they often end some time after the game with analysis and stuff. And with the VOD system Riot will use at worlds they might take care of that as well.


You're joking right? Riot helping reduce spoilers for worlds?

EU people couldn't log into league last year without being fucking spoiled even though games were being played at 1am. If they didnt watch it live they were FUCKED.

They gave literally zero chance for people to catch up with vods and zero warning that they would be doing so.
Useless wet fish.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35153 Posts
September 05 2014 04:00 GMT
#3980
Now that the Worlds bootcamps are in full swing, this is a mini LCS soloque ladder I found on reddit with everybody sans LMQ.
http://www.lol-coaching.com/koreanBootcamp.php
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