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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 06 2014 15:39 GMT
#4001
I have a feeling that Samsung red would have been piccaboo's squad. Europe pls pick him up, get on it millenium
Glorious SEA doto
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
September 06 2014 15:59 GMT
#4002
On September 07 2014 00:39 Fusilero wrote:
I have a feeling that Samsung red would have been piccaboo's squad. Europe pls pick him up, get on it millenium

piccaboo will replace Heart/Mata after Worlds. He is good enough to be a starter in KR.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 06 2014 16:06 GMT
#4003
On another note
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Archie leaves SAJ for miracle esports (never heard of them)
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 06 2014 16:07 GMT
#4004
sucks, was already not a big fan of the riot region lock (I'm fine with whole 5 man squads coming over as long as they stay an practice in the region) but hearing that Shy and Madlife planned to play in lcs ruins it even more.
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 16:44:08
September 06 2014 16:39 GMT
#4005
Whole tournament for 2 extra spots fucked everything. Before that everything was fine you needed to risk a lot to get into LCS = spend half a year in NA/EU. Now you need to be top of Challenger to have a shot.
Also Riot responded to rumors (they didn't announce new rules with qualifiers), so everything would be fine.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 22:24:08
September 06 2014 22:18 GMT
#4006
On September 07 2014 01:07 AsnSensation wrote:
sucks, was already not a big fan of the riot region lock (I'm fine with whole 5 man squads coming over as long as they stay an practice in the region) but hearing that Shy and Madlife planned to play in lcs ruins it even more.

Well maybe we will still see them in NA. They just cant go as an all Korean game, but 2 can always join a team. It all depends on their English skills or their willingness to improve it. If a korean trys hard and starts some crash course now he could be pretty good until the next season starts.

In any case I would be very surprised if we dont see more Koreans in NA and maybe EU next season.
Off-season = best season
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 22:24:50
September 06 2014 22:24 GMT
#4007
On September 07 2014 07:18 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 01:07 AsnSensation wrote:
sucks, was already not a big fan of the riot region lock (I'm fine with whole 5 man squads coming over as long as they stay an practice in the region) but hearing that Shy and Madlife planned to play in lcs ruins it even more.

Well maybe we will still see them in NA. They just cant go as an all Korean game, but 2 can always join a team. It all depends on their English skills or their willingness to improve it. If a korean trys hard and makes some crash course he could be pretty good until the next season starts.


I don't think that Shy/Madlife are crazy enough to change situation when they can play only with one atrocious ad and still have biggest fanbase in Korea to situation, when they recruit three random NA challenger players and try to pursue NA LCS from that point.

But it's funny cockblock by Riot no matter what though, i was waiting for hype and now it's broken dream.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
September 06 2014 22:26 GMT
#4008
On September 07 2014 07:24 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 07:18 Redox wrote:
On September 07 2014 01:07 AsnSensation wrote:
sucks, was already not a big fan of the riot region lock (I'm fine with whole 5 man squads coming over as long as they stay an practice in the region) but hearing that Shy and Madlife planned to play in lcs ruins it even more.

Well maybe we will still see them in NA. They just cant go as an all Korean game, but 2 can always join a team. It all depends on their English skills or their willingness to improve it. If a korean trys hard and makes some crash course he could be pretty good until the next season starts.


I don't think that Shy/Madlife are crazy enough to change situation when they can play only with one atrocious ad and still have biggest fanbase in Korea to situation, when they recruit three random NA challenger players and try to pursue NA LCS from that point.

But it's funny cockblock by Riot no matter what though, i was waiting for hype and now it's broken dream.

Well challenger team of course not, I was more thinking replacing people on existing LCS team. Like Lustboy and Helios did.
Off-season = best season
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 22:32:53
September 06 2014 22:32 GMT
#4009
On September 07 2014 07:26 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 07:24 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:18 Redox wrote:
On September 07 2014 01:07 AsnSensation wrote:
sucks, was already not a big fan of the riot region lock (I'm fine with whole 5 man squads coming over as long as they stay an practice in the region) but hearing that Shy and Madlife planned to play in lcs ruins it even more.

Well maybe we will still see them in NA. They just cant go as an all Korean game, but 2 can always join a team. It all depends on their English skills or their willingness to improve it. If a korean trys hard and makes some crash course he could be pretty good until the next season starts.


I don't think that Shy/Madlife are crazy enough to change situation when they can play only with one atrocious ad and still have biggest fanbase in Korea to situation, when they recruit three random NA challenger players and try to pursue NA LCS from that point.

But it's funny cockblock by Riot no matter what though, i was waiting for hype and now it's broken dream.

Well challenger team of course not, I was more thinking replacing people on existing LCS team. Like Lustboy and Helios did.


Well, other thing is that you have to replace your both toplaner and support for it.
Only team who might give it a shot is EG, having more Koreans in team was never a bad idea.

Ofc i mean teams with at least some hopes for next season, not random team who's going to enter LCS after Expansion tournament.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
September 06 2014 22:37 GMT
#4010
On September 07 2014 07:32 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 07:26 Redox wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:24 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:18 Redox wrote:
On September 07 2014 01:07 AsnSensation wrote:
sucks, was already not a big fan of the riot region lock (I'm fine with whole 5 man squads coming over as long as they stay an practice in the region) but hearing that Shy and Madlife planned to play in lcs ruins it even more.

Well maybe we will still see them in NA. They just cant go as an all Korean game, but 2 can always join a team. It all depends on their English skills or their willingness to improve it. If a korean trys hard and makes some crash course he could be pretty good until the next season starts.


I don't think that Shy/Madlife are crazy enough to change situation when they can play only with one atrocious ad and still have biggest fanbase in Korea to situation, when they recruit three random NA challenger players and try to pursue NA LCS from that point.

But it's funny cockblock by Riot no matter what though, i was waiting for hype and now it's broken dream.

Well challenger team of course not, I was more thinking replacing people on existing LCS team. Like Lustboy and Helios did.


Well, other thing is that you have to replace your both toplaner and support for it.
Only team who might give it a shot is EG, having more Koreans in team was never a bad idea.

Ofc i mean teams with at least some hopes for next season, not random team who's going to enter LCS after Expansion tournament.

EG already has 2 foreigners. CLG is a better candidate, they will surely need 2 players and after releasing Seraph and Dexter they will have zero foreigners. Maybe Dig will look for a new bot lane. And some unexpected, super crazy stuff will happen anyway like always before a new season.
Off-season = best season
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
September 06 2014 22:41 GMT
#4011
On September 07 2014 07:37 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 07:32 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:26 Redox wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:24 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:18 Redox wrote:
On September 07 2014 01:07 AsnSensation wrote:
sucks, was already not a big fan of the riot region lock (I'm fine with whole 5 man squads coming over as long as they stay an practice in the region) but hearing that Shy and Madlife planned to play in lcs ruins it even more.

Well maybe we will still see them in NA. They just cant go as an all Korean game, but 2 can always join a team. It all depends on their English skills or their willingness to improve it. If a korean trys hard and makes some crash course he could be pretty good until the next season starts.


I don't think that Shy/Madlife are crazy enough to change situation when they can play only with one atrocious ad and still have biggest fanbase in Korea to situation, when they recruit three random NA challenger players and try to pursue NA LCS from that point.

But it's funny cockblock by Riot no matter what though, i was waiting for hype and now it's broken dream.

Well challenger team of course not, I was more thinking replacing people on existing LCS team. Like Lustboy and Helios did.


Well, other thing is that you have to replace your both toplaner and support for it.
Only team who might give it a shot is EG, having more Koreans in team was never a bad idea.

Ofc i mean teams with at least some hopes for next season, not random team who's going to enter LCS after Expansion tournament.

EG already has 2 foreigners. CLG is a better candidate, they will surely need 2 players and after releasing Seraph and Dexter they will have zero foreigners. Maybe Dig will look for a new bot lane. And some unexpected, super crazy stuff will happen anyway like always before a new season.


Helios is one and he's is exempt non-resident since now.

CLG will have to replace Aphromoo for it and i'm not sure that they will go for it and Dignitas is still Dignitas.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 22:55:59
September 06 2014 22:53 GMT
#4012
On September 07 2014 07:41 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 07:37 Redox wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:32 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:26 Redox wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:24 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:18 Redox wrote:
On September 07 2014 01:07 AsnSensation wrote:
sucks, was already not a big fan of the riot region lock (I'm fine with whole 5 man squads coming over as long as they stay an practice in the region) but hearing that Shy and Madlife planned to play in lcs ruins it even more.

Well maybe we will still see them in NA. They just cant go as an all Korean game, but 2 can always join a team. It all depends on their English skills or their willingness to improve it. If a korean trys hard and makes some crash course he could be pretty good until the next season starts.


I don't think that Shy/Madlife are crazy enough to change situation when they can play only with one atrocious ad and still have biggest fanbase in Korea to situation, when they recruit three random NA challenger players and try to pursue NA LCS from that point.

But it's funny cockblock by Riot no matter what though, i was waiting for hype and now it's broken dream.

Well challenger team of course not, I was more thinking replacing people on existing LCS team. Like Lustboy and Helios did.


Well, other thing is that you have to replace your both toplaner and support for it.
Only team who might give it a shot is EG, having more Koreans in team was never a bad idea.

Ofc i mean teams with at least some hopes for next season, not random team who's going to enter LCS after Expansion tournament.

EG already has 2 foreigners. CLG is a better candidate, they will surely need 2 players and after releasing Seraph and Dexter they will have zero foreigners. Maybe Dig will look for a new bot lane. And some unexpected, super crazy stuff will happen anyway like always before a new season.


Helios is one and he's is exempt non-resident since now.

CLG will have to replace Aphromoo for it and i'm not sure that they will go for it and Dignitas is still Dignitas.

It doesnt matter if Helios is excempt non-resident for this purpose.
Riot:"if a team has two or more exempt non-resident players, they cannot add additional non-exempt non-resident players to their starting roster"
And pretty sure Krepo is excempt non-resident as well, maybe he qualifies for getting the residency status though. Riot will publish soon their conditions for that, we dont know them yet. If both retain the excempt non-resident status and stay in the team, EG can not add any Koreans to for example replace Innox.

Regarding CLG, I was only talking about them being a candidate for adding Koreans in general, not any particular players. I dont see them as a Madlife candidate either.
Off-season = best season
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
September 06 2014 23:03 GMT
#4013
On September 07 2014 07:53 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 07:41 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:37 Redox wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:32 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:26 Redox wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:24 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 07 2014 07:18 Redox wrote:
On September 07 2014 01:07 AsnSensation wrote:
sucks, was already not a big fan of the riot region lock (I'm fine with whole 5 man squads coming over as long as they stay an practice in the region) but hearing that Shy and Madlife planned to play in lcs ruins it even more.

Well maybe we will still see them in NA. They just cant go as an all Korean game, but 2 can always join a team. It all depends on their English skills or their willingness to improve it. If a korean trys hard and makes some crash course he could be pretty good until the next season starts.


I don't think that Shy/Madlife are crazy enough to change situation when they can play only with one atrocious ad and still have biggest fanbase in Korea to situation, when they recruit three random NA challenger players and try to pursue NA LCS from that point.

But it's funny cockblock by Riot no matter what though, i was waiting for hype and now it's broken dream.

Well challenger team of course not, I was more thinking replacing people on existing LCS team. Like Lustboy and Helios did.


Well, other thing is that you have to replace your both toplaner and support for it.
Only team who might give it a shot is EG, having more Koreans in team was never a bad idea.

Ofc i mean teams with at least some hopes for next season, not random team who's going to enter LCS after Expansion tournament.

EG already has 2 foreigners. CLG is a better candidate, they will surely need 2 players and after releasing Seraph and Dexter they will have zero foreigners. Maybe Dig will look for a new bot lane. And some unexpected, super crazy stuff will happen anyway like always before a new season.


Helios is one and he's is exempt non-resident since now.

CLG will have to replace Aphromoo for it and i'm not sure that they will go for it and Dignitas is still Dignitas.

It doesnt matter if Helios is excempt non-resident for this purpose.
Riot:"if a team has two or more exempt non-resident players, they cannot add additional non-exempt non-resident players to their starting roster"
And pretty sure Krepo is excempt non-resident as well, maybe he qualifies for getting the residency status though. Riot will publish soon their conditions for that, we dont know them yet. If both retain the excempt non-resident status and stay in the team, EG can not add any Koreans to for example replace Innox.

Regarding CLG, I was only talking about them being a candidate for adding Koreans in general, not any particular players. I dont see them as a Madlife candidate either.


But it's exempt ;/
Ye, seems like you're right, that's pretty damn sad though, lol.
Dunno, i really think that they're going to stay if it's the case or just go to EU if it's going to be same case as WCS, that you're only need to get visa to participate next season.
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 23:10:26
September 06 2014 23:09 GMT
#4014
Yeah EG might actually be the LCS team that gets hit by this the hardest because I am pretty sure they would love to replace Innox and top is probably the position with the most shallow talent pool in NA. Well and for LMQ it sucks as well if it is true that Ackerman wants to leave. Guess they need to chain him to his chair.
Off-season = best season
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 07 2014 13:27 GMT
#4015
Looking at the Korean bootcamp ladder again, I decided to check how soloq teams were being, on average, by their players.

1. Fnatic: 49g/p
2. Cloud 9: 35g/p
3. Alliance: 23.8g/p
4. Solo Mid: 21.2g/p
5. SK Gaming: 20.4g/p
6. LMQ Tian Ci: N/A, in China

C9 and Fnatic have been in Korea the longest, so the fact that they're the top 2 active in soloque isn't that big of a surprise, but the gap between them is massive. If you paired up any of 3-5 with each other, they still wouldn't reach Fnatic's soloq presence. This leads me to believe that Fnatic is having issues finding scrim partners as opposed to C9.

The gap between 1 & 2 is almost as large as 2 to 3 & 4. Some of this can be attributed to later arrival, but since it's TSM and Alliance, I'm going to guess they aren't having a hard time finding scrim partners due to being #1 seeds, Koren respect for Froggen, and Loco/Lustboy having connections with the scene. For outside influence on this supposition, SK has almost as many games in as Alliance/TSM, yet they arrived latter(last.)
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
September 07 2014 13:35 GMT
#4016
A lot of this is on Rekkles and xPeke, and Rekkles is a soloq monster, so they might simply be grinding it at expense of sleep and free time. Again going back to SI with nRated - Monte advised that since Koreans will decide whether you are worth scrimming with based on first two games, then perhaps you shouldn't go into those scrims right away but deal with jetlag and warmup a bit for few days. Also, western teams might be scriming each other but avoiding Fnatic due to their reputation.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 07 2014 13:40 GMT
#4017
Wouldn't be surprised if some teams have trouble finding scrimpartners, apart from Samsung and Najin everyone is on break at least for half another week according to Susie and I mean there are 5 western teams bootcamping...
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
September 07 2014 13:52 GMT
#4018
On September 07 2014 22:27 Gahlo wrote:
Looking at the Korean bootcamp ladder again, I decided to check how soloq teams were being, on average, by their players.

1. Fnatic: 49g/p
2. Cloud 9: 35g/p
3. Alliance: 23.8g/p
4. Solo Mid: 21.2g/p
5. SK Gaming: 20.4g/p
6. LMQ Tian Ci: N/A, in China

C9 and Fnatic have been in Korea the longest, so the fact that they're the top 2 active in soloque isn't that big of a surprise, but the gap between them is massive. If you paired up any of 3-5 with each other, they still wouldn't reach Fnatic's soloq presence. This leads me to believe that Fnatic is having issues finding scrim partners as opposed to C9.

The gap between 1 & 2 is almost as large as 2 to 3 & 4. Some of this can be attributed to later arrival, but since it's TSM and Alliance, I'm going to guess they aren't having a hard time finding scrim partners due to being #1 seeds, Koren respect for Froggen, and Loco/Lustboy having connections with the scene. For outside influence on this supposition, SK has almost as many games in as Alliance/TSM, yet they arrived latter(last.)

C9/Alliance arrived at the same time. Diffrent is that Alliance was scrimming first day/C9 wasn't. Also Tabzz didn't play much soloq.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 07 2014 14:01 GMT
#4019
On September 07 2014 22:52 orzeu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 22:27 Gahlo wrote:
Looking at the Korean bootcamp ladder again, I decided to check how soloq teams were being, on average, by their players.

1. Fnatic: 49g/p
2. Cloud 9: 35g/p
3. Alliance: 23.8g/p
4. Solo Mid: 21.2g/p
5. SK Gaming: 20.4g/p
6. LMQ Tian Ci: N/A, in China

C9 and Fnatic have been in Korea the longest, so the fact that they're the top 2 active in soloque isn't that big of a surprise, but the gap between them is massive. If you paired up any of 3-5 with each other, they still wouldn't reach Fnatic's soloq presence. This leads me to believe that Fnatic is having issues finding scrim partners as opposed to C9.

The gap between 1 & 2 is almost as large as 2 to 3 & 4. Some of this can be attributed to later arrival, but since it's TSM and Alliance, I'm going to guess they aren't having a hard time finding scrim partners due to being #1 seeds, Koren respect for Froggen, and Loco/Lustboy having connections with the scene. For outside influence on this supposition, SK has almost as many games in as Alliance/TSM, yet they arrived latter(last.)

C9/Alliance arrived at the same time. Diffrent is that Alliance was scrimming first day/C9 wasn't. Also Tabzz didn't play much soloq.

They did? My mistake then.
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
September 08 2014 09:26 GMT
#4020
Toyz fnatic coach?

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