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orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 11:31:28
September 03 2014 11:30 GMT
#3921
Full post from SK owner on reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2fbqrl/incarnati0n_will_not_go_to_worlds_with_sk_nrated/ck7ulf6
So Riot is talking shit once again.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 03 2014 12:21 GMT
#3922
https://www.facebook.com/TeamSingaporeSentinels/photos/a.142606159199277.27089.132986296827930/553307434795812/?type=1&theater
SGS will not participate in the next TLC (Singapore/Malaysia's circuit for gpl). The entire roster is released.
Glorious SEA doto
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 14:44:00
September 03 2014 14:33 GMT
#3923
On September 03 2014 20:11 orzeu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 19:03 Redox wrote:
On September 03 2014 18:55 AsnSensation wrote:
Fuck Nick Allen and fuck riot. You could argue that sk shouldnt have hired a lifetime bannie in the first place but if eu lcs decides that he can coach and be backstage for 2 seasons, riot na suddenk cant say fuck that.

Riot didnt decide anything about allowing him to coach. He never was an official member of the team, he still isnt. At worlds only offical members are allowed on stage / backstage. The end.

It also doesnt need a decision to not allow him on worlds stage. Simply same rules apply for him as for everyone else not part of a team. People here and especially on reddit are retarded as usual.

According to Nick Allen post on reddit "LCS doesn't officially recognize team coaches", so every coach was team guest and never was official team member this split, right?
Riot is not stupid they knew that he is coaching SK, so maybe they should contact SK before playoffs that if they qualify he is not allowed to be backstage at Worlds or at least immediately after playoffs, not 3 days before they go to Korea. Also they could use same rules for playoffs, so teams can adjust?

What kind of adjustment? So if SK knew he would not be allowed backstage they would fire him and get a new coach? That makes no sense whatsoever. Just him being not allowed on stage or backstage is really not that big of a deal.

And it was absolutely obvious that Riot never accepted him like the other coaches. He was never interviewed, never be seen on the stage, was never talked about in any of Riots video reports or anywhere else. Do you guys really want to tell me SK believed that was just coincidental? They and him knew exactly that Riot did not want any kind of official affiliation with him.

edit: Oh yeah and I am pretty sure SK never announced Incarnation officially as their coach. Hm why might that be I wonder, as the SK owner usually is so vocal at every opportunity? Is it possible they knew Riot had a problem with him being the coach officially?

If they would now allow him on the stage at worlds, THAT would be inconsistent.

On September 03 2014 20:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 20:11 Numy wrote:
On September 03 2014 20:05 AsnSensation wrote:
On September 03 2014 19:03 Redox wrote:
On September 03 2014 18:55 AsnSensation wrote:
Fuck Nick Allen and fuck riot. You could argue that sk shouldnt have hired a lifetime bannie in the first place but if eu lcs decides that he can coach and be backstage for 2 seasons, riot na suddenk cant say fuck that.

Riot didnt decide anything about allowing him to coach. He never was an official member of the team, he still isnt. At worlds only offical members are allowed on stage / backstage. The end.

It also doesnt need a decision to not allow him on worlds stage. Simply same rules apply for him as for everyone else not part of a team. People here and especially on reddit are retarded as usual.


It's literally a new rule they created for worlds which completely fucks SK over.

Whatever I'm sure they will still fly him in and consult with him outside of Riot's "competetive" areas.


It sounds like they basically didn't think of coaches as part of the team prior to worlds so they let him coach for a year. Now at worlds they realize they need some way to limit the personal in the "competitive" areas so they see that everyone has coaches/analysts now which forces them to "recognize" coaches as part of the team. Then someone at Riot says "wait we have this banned guy coaching a team for a year". Nick Allen goes shit we can't have a banned player recognized by Riot so they tell SK it's not going to happen even though it's been happening this whole time in their own studios.

If this was the end point they shouldn't have let him do it in the first place. Now that they have they should follow through with letting him do it. I guess they all learnt from Microsoft that you should never say and do the same thing.


Especially it's funny considering who was coaching SHC.
God bless, Riot, shittons of money but acting like a children. What a nonsense.

How would Riot even stop XJ9 coaching, or Incarnation for that matter? It is ther own issue. Just dont expect Riot to officially recognize him or work with him.
Off-season = best season
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22372 Posts
September 03 2014 14:39 GMT
#3924
On September 03 2014 23:33 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 20:11 orzeu wrote:
On September 03 2014 19:03 Redox wrote:
On September 03 2014 18:55 AsnSensation wrote:
Fuck Nick Allen and fuck riot. You could argue that sk shouldnt have hired a lifetime bannie in the first place but if eu lcs decides that he can coach and be backstage for 2 seasons, riot na suddenk cant say fuck that.

Riot didnt decide anything about allowing him to coach. He never was an official member of the team, he still isnt. At worlds only offical members are allowed on stage / backstage. The end.

It also doesnt need a decision to not allow him on worlds stage. Simply same rules apply for him as for everyone else not part of a team. People here and especially on reddit are retarded as usual.

According to Nick Allen post on reddit "LCS doesn't officially recognize team coaches", so every coach was team guest and never was official team member this split, right?
Riot is not stupid they knew that he is coaching SK, so maybe they should contact SK before playoffs that if they qualify he is not allowed to be backstage at Worlds or at least immediately after playoffs, not 3 days before they go to Korea. Also they could use same rules for playoffs, so teams can adjust?

What kind of adjustment? So if SK knew he would not be allowed backstage they would fire him and get a new coach? That makes no sense whatsoever. Just him being not allowed on stage or backstage is really not that big of a deal.

And it was absolutely obvious that Riot never accepted him like the other coaches. He was never interviewed, never be seen on the stage, was never talked about in any of Riots video reports or anywhere else. Do you guys really want to tell me SK believed that was just coincidental? They and him knew exactly that Riot did not want any kind of official affiliation with him.

If they would now allow him on the stage at worlds, THAT would be inconsistent.

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 20:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 03 2014 20:11 Numy wrote:
On September 03 2014 20:05 AsnSensation wrote:
On September 03 2014 19:03 Redox wrote:
On September 03 2014 18:55 AsnSensation wrote:
Fuck Nick Allen and fuck riot. You could argue that sk shouldnt have hired a lifetime bannie in the first place but if eu lcs decides that he can coach and be backstage for 2 seasons, riot na suddenk cant say fuck that.

Riot didnt decide anything about allowing him to coach. He never was an official member of the team, he still isnt. At worlds only offical members are allowed on stage / backstage. The end.

It also doesnt need a decision to not allow him on worlds stage. Simply same rules apply for him as for everyone else not part of a team. People here and especially on reddit are retarded as usual.


It's literally a new rule they created for worlds which completely fucks SK over.

Whatever I'm sure they will still fly him in and consult with him outside of Riot's "competetive" areas.


It sounds like they basically didn't think of coaches as part of the team prior to worlds so they let him coach for a year. Now at worlds they realize they need some way to limit the personal in the "competitive" areas so they see that everyone has coaches/analysts now which forces them to "recognize" coaches as part of the team. Then someone at Riot says "wait we have this banned guy coaching a team for a year". Nick Allen goes shit we can't have a banned player recognized by Riot so they tell SK it's not going to happen even though it's been happening this whole time in their own studios.

If this was the end point they shouldn't have let him do it in the first place. Now that they have they should follow through with letting him do it. I guess they all learnt from Microsoft that you should never say and do the same thing.


Especially it's funny considering who was coaching SHC.
God bless, Riot, shittons of money but acting like a children. What a nonsense.

How would Riot even stop XJ9 coaching, or Incarnation for that matter? It is ther own issue. Just dont expect Riot to officially recognize him or work with him.

Sigh again SK was in official talks about his privileges in january. To then tell the team he isnt allowed to be backstage at worlds 8 months later is utter BS.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 14:41:28
September 03 2014 14:40 GMT
#3925
On September 03 2014 23:33 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 20:11 orzeu wrote:
On September 03 2014 19:03 Redox wrote:
On September 03 2014 18:55 AsnSensation wrote:
Fuck Nick Allen and fuck riot. You could argue that sk shouldnt have hired a lifetime bannie in the first place but if eu lcs decides that he can coach and be backstage for 2 seasons, riot na suddenk cant say fuck that.

Riot didnt decide anything about allowing him to coach. He never was an official member of the team, he still isnt. At worlds only offical members are allowed on stage / backstage. The end.

It also doesnt need a decision to not allow him on worlds stage. Simply same rules apply for him as for everyone else not part of a team. People here and especially on reddit are retarded as usual.

According to Nick Allen post on reddit "LCS doesn't officially recognize team coaches", so every coach was team guest and never was official team member this split, right?
Riot is not stupid they knew that he is coaching SK, so maybe they should contact SK before playoffs that if they qualify he is not allowed to be backstage at Worlds or at least immediately after playoffs, not 3 days before they go to Korea. Also they could use same rules for playoffs, so teams can adjust?

What kind of adjustment? So if SK knew he would not be allowed backstage they would fire him and get a new coach? That makes no sense whatsoever. Just him being not allowed on stage or backstage is really not that big of a deal.

And it was absolutely obvious that Riot never accepted him like the other coaches. He was never interviewed, never be seen on the stage, was never talked about in any of Riots video reports or anywhere else. Do you guys really want to tell me SK believed that was just coincidental? They and him knew exactly that Riot did not want any kind of official affiliation with him.

If they would now allow him on the stage at worlds, THAT would be inconsistent.

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 20:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 03 2014 20:11 Numy wrote:
On September 03 2014 20:05 AsnSensation wrote:
On September 03 2014 19:03 Redox wrote:
On September 03 2014 18:55 AsnSensation wrote:
Fuck Nick Allen and fuck riot. You could argue that sk shouldnt have hired a lifetime bannie in the first place but if eu lcs decides that he can coach and be backstage for 2 seasons, riot na suddenk cant say fuck that.

Riot didnt decide anything about allowing him to coach. He never was an official member of the team, he still isnt. At worlds only offical members are allowed on stage / backstage. The end.

It also doesnt need a decision to not allow him on worlds stage. Simply same rules apply for him as for everyone else not part of a team. People here and especially on reddit are retarded as usual.


It's literally a new rule they created for worlds which completely fucks SK over.

Whatever I'm sure they will still fly him in and consult with him outside of Riot's "competetive" areas.


It sounds like they basically didn't think of coaches as part of the team prior to worlds so they let him coach for a year. Now at worlds they realize they need some way to limit the personal in the "competitive" areas so they see that everyone has coaches/analysts now which forces them to "recognize" coaches as part of the team. Then someone at Riot says "wait we have this banned guy coaching a team for a year". Nick Allen goes shit we can't have a banned player recognized by Riot so they tell SK it's not going to happen even though it's been happening this whole time in their own studios.

If this was the end point they shouldn't have let him do it in the first place. Now that they have they should follow through with letting him do it. I guess they all learnt from Microsoft that you should never say and do the same thing.


Especially it's funny considering who was coaching SHC.
God bless, Riot, shittons of money but acting like a children. What a nonsense.

How would Riot even stop XJ9 coaching, or Incarnation for that matter? It is ther own issue. Just dont expect Riot to officially recognize him or work with him.


If you're banning Incarnati0n from standing behind SK, ban everyone else.
So neither Leviathan, Locodoco, Araneae, Charlie, LMQ new coach if he exists, Samsung coaches, Najin coaches and so on, will stay behind them.

What is that witchhunt by Riot, everyone knows that Incarnati0n is no longer that guy who just goes hardcore in soloqueue and they're still killing him every step like he has horcruxes somewhere in Santa Monica.

There is one thing i wish Riot could be - be coherent.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
September 03 2014 14:45 GMT
#3926
For as much as Incarnation is being talked about as an official coach, you can't find anything about him under that pseudonym on the SK website.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22372 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 14:48:50
September 03 2014 14:47 GMT
#3927
If when SK first said he was their coach Riot approached them saying that while Riot cannot control what they do in their gaming house Incarnation will not be allowed backstage as a coach because of his ban there would be no problem. Its the level of inconsistency by allowing it for 8+ months and then banning him days before they leave after they qualify that I have issues with.

Even if he was never officialy announced they should have intervened when they first bring him to the studio. And since we know they had talks about his "privileges" Riot was aware of this 8 months ago.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 14:49:28
September 03 2014 14:48 GMT
#3928
On September 03 2014 23:45 Gahlo wrote:
For as much as Incarnation is being talked about as an official coach, you can't find anything about him under that pseudonym on the SK website.

That is exactly what I am saying. His status was always different from the other coaches. He was never officially recognized, heck his mere existance has not even been acknowledged, neither by Riot nor by SK.
Off-season = best season
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
September 03 2014 15:25 GMT
#3929
Oh not sure if it belongs here, but since we are talking about SK. They are guests in a German TV show today (TV Total). That is actually a pretty big deal. For Americans it would maybe be comparable to TSM being guests at Jimmy Fallon. Only that TV Total has a somewhat younger audience and is not as big anymore as it once was. In any case that is great exposure, could also help with sponsors and stuff.
Off-season = best season
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 03 2014 15:36 GMT
#3930
On September 04 2014 00:25 Redox wrote:
Oh not sure if it belongs here, but since we are talking about SK. They are guests in a German TV show today (TV Total). That is actually a pretty big deal. For Americans it would maybe be comparable to TSM being guests at Jimmy Fallon. Only that TV Total has a somewhat younger audience and is not as big anymore as it once was. In any case that is great exposure, could also help with sponsors and stuff.


yeah, pretty stoked for that :D Tv Total is great, at least the first 10minutes where he makes fun of other shows, should be good stuff.
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
September 03 2014 16:12 GMT
#3931
That inncarnation guy is a ddoser and a filthy criminal. That SK Gaming works with such a person gives a bad light on the organisation. I understand that riot doesn't give such a person entry to the worlds backstage. He should be happy that they let him behind the EU LCS stage.
Science>Mechanics
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 03 2014 16:32 GMT
#3932
https://www.facebook.com/TeamCoastGaming/posts/822882211085082
New coast solos announced as miracle yi and ringer. You may remember them from never making any NLB ever
Glorious SEA doto
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
September 03 2014 16:43 GMT
#3933
maybe Riot is once again making up rules, but SK should not have cooperated with a cheater.

He isnt just flaming like others, he actually cheated.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 16:51:41
September 03 2014 16:51 GMT
#3934
On September 04 2014 01:43 LaNague wrote:
maybe Riot is once again making up rules, but SK should not have cooperated with a cheater.

He isnt just flaming like others, he actually cheated.


Let's throw him into jail, apparently.
CHEATING IN SOLOQUEUE, BOYS.

Somehow it doesn't prevent him from being top-1 on ladder this whole season.

On September 04 2014 01:32 Fusilero wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/TeamCoastGaming/posts/822882211085082
New coast solos announced as miracle yi and ringer. You may remember them from never making any NLB ever


BUT MUH KOREANS.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 03 2014 16:55 GMT
#3935
Cheated? Like Dyrus looking at the map screen? He was a terrible flamer sure and there were allegations of ddos but never much hard proof. I mean at one stage majority of LCS players were ELO boosting and rather toxic. It's a bit silly to make him out to be the devil when he's just one step away from a lot of the LCS players.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22372 Posts
September 03 2014 17:00 GMT
#3936
Again if his past is a problem they should have stepped in when he arrived at their studio for LCS (or ofc preferably before that) but not now after 2 seasons of allowing it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 17:15:11
September 03 2014 17:13 GMT
#3937
On September 04 2014 01:55 Numy wrote:
Cheated? Like Dyrus looking at the map screen? He was a terrible flamer sure and there were allegations of ddos but never much hard proof. I mean at one stage majority of LCS players were ELO boosting and rather toxic. It's a bit silly to make him out to be the devil when he's just one step away from a lot of the LCS players.

Ye, Aphro who was boosting ppl for months on stream without giving a fuck is nice guy, but guy who supposedly ddosed ppl is "filthy criminal".
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 03 2014 19:51 GMT
#3938

NA promo matches decided, col vs T8, EG vs KR-Coast and CLG vs Curse.Academy
Glorious SEA doto
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 03 2014 20:02 GMT
#3939
On September 04 2014 04:51 Fusilero wrote:
https://twitter.com/dscarra/status/507253740752363521
NA promo matches decided, col vs T8, EG vs KR-Coast and CLG vs Curse.Academy

Holy shit CLG picked CA. RIP the Saint dream. I guess they think they are the weakest but I can't help but imagine the just wanted to deny Saint getting back into the LCS.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 20:06:49
September 03 2014 20:05 GMT
#3940
On September 04 2014 04:51 Fusilero wrote:
https://twitter.com/dscarra/status/507253740752363521
NA promo matches decided, col vs T8, EG vs KR-Coast and CLG vs Curse.Academy


Who would have thought.
I'm quite sad that CLG didn't get Coast, but killing LCS rejects in last bo5 of this roster - #worth.

CLG 3-0 CA
EG 3-0 Coast
coL 3-1 T8.

Should be like that, if nothing weird happens day before event.

On September 04 2014 05:02 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 04:51 Fusilero wrote:
https://twitter.com/dscarra/status/507253740752363521
NA promo matches decided, col vs T8, EG vs KR-Coast and CLG vs Curse.Academy

Holy shit CLG picked CA. RIP the Saint dream. I guess they think they are the weakest but I can't help but imagine the just wanted to deny Saint getting back into the LCS.


They're still safe call to be top-2 in additional tournament, especially considering CaliTrolz return to college.
Even though, we had our MRNs and DBs before.
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