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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
April 30 2014 05:47 GMT
#2421
https://www.facebook.com/xdgbenny/posts/719700478081142
Benny retires from league ;_;
Glorious SEA doto
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
April 30 2014 06:39 GMT
#2422
No biggie. Honestly, he wasn't that good on the pro level even by NA's standards.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
April 30 2014 09:50 GMT
#2423
On April 30 2014 15:39 Gahlo wrote:
No biggie. Honestly, he wasn't that good on the pro level even by NA's standards.


With this id - yep.
But with Sycho Sid he was easily top-2 NA in S3.
As well as all other team except for Zuna l0l.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
April 30 2014 14:27 GMT
#2424
On April 29 2014 21:42 seRapH wrote:
Reddit says I might join CLG wish me luck


Interesting deflection tactic.
One Love
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 15:17:10
April 30 2014 15:16 GMT
#2425
Meh I think Benny was underrated in his/Vulcun's prime, mainly because his position on the team was a supporting top laner as opposed to a lot of the other big names. I don't think he was the best top laner or anything of the sort, but keep in mind that this was when Nien was (still is) a shitter, Dyrus was on his way down, and Balls wasn't nearly as dominant as he is today.
TranslatorBaa!
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
April 30 2014 17:11 GMT
#2426
On May 01 2014 00:16 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Meh I think Benny was underrated in his/Vulcun's prime, mainly because his position on the team was a supporting top laner as opposed to a lot of the other big names. I don't think he was the best top laner or anything of the sort, but keep in mind that this was when Nien was (still is) a shitter, Dyrus was on his way down, and Balls wasn't nearly as dominant as he is today.


Even the best shitter in a trash can is still a shitter
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
April 30 2014 18:41 GMT
#2427
On May 01 2014 02:11 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 00:16 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Meh I think Benny was underrated in his/Vulcun's prime, mainly because his position on the team was a supporting top laner as opposed to a lot of the other big names. I don't think he was the best top laner or anything of the sort, but keep in mind that this was when Nien was (still is) a shitter, Dyrus was on his way down, and Balls wasn't nearly as dominant as he is today.


Even the best shitter in a trash can is still a shitter


Well, they were 2nd best team last season.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 20:29:03
April 30 2014 20:26 GMT
#2428
I feel like you're inventing a phrase to make a mediocre player sound better than he was. It's not like there's any team that prioritizes their top over their mid or ADC (least that I'm aware of).

Even at Vulcun's peak, it wasn't like Benny was that good. I doubt anyone ever said or thought "Without Sycho Sid this team would be so much worse off." He did his job and didn't do terrible, but that doesn't make him amazing or anything.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 20:44:54
April 30 2014 20:42 GMT
#2429
On May 01 2014 05:26 zer0das wrote:
I feel like you're inventing a phrase to make a mediocre player sound better than he was. It's not like there's any team that prioritizes their top over their mid or ADC (least that I'm aware of).

Even at Vulcun's peak, it wasn't like Benny was that good. I doubt anyone ever said or thought "Without Sycho Sid this team would be so much worse off." He did his job and didn't do terrible, but that doesn't make him amazing or anything.


Blaze, iG, OMG. Of course it's all situational, but it's been known to happen to give you top laner a lot of farm while the other four people try to make space for him to farm/cede advantages to get farm onto the top laner.

And let's be real, you can't even use the bolded phrase to describe half the players in NA LCS l0l.
TranslatorBaa!
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
April 30 2014 20:46 GMT
#2430
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/24dv11/uzi_confirms_his_staying_in_china_and_create_a/
Uzi will not be having cheeseburgers, but he will be freed of his current squad to try to bring whit3zz back from the dead presumably.
Glorious SEA doto
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 20:52:09
April 30 2014 20:48 GMT
#2431
RIP CHEESEBURGER DREAM ;___;

The main problem for Uzi is that it's very difficult to build a team around him. The combination of his skill, personality, and age makes it tough to find suitable people. He's not someone who's fit, from what we see, to act as an elder advisor and build up a team of amateurs. There simply aren't any veteran players who are available to make a team with him, and I'd be skeptical if he can find Whitezz again or anything of the sort.
TranslatorBaa!
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 21:19:51
April 30 2014 21:00 GMT
#2432
On May 01 2014 05:26 zer0das wrote:
I feel like you're inventing a phrase to make a mediocre player sound better than he was. It's not like there's any team that prioritizes their top over their mid or ADC (least that I'm aware of).

Even at Vulcun's peak, it wasn't like Benny was that good. I doubt anyone ever said or thought "Without Sycho Sid this team would be so much worse off." He did his job and didn't do terrible, but that doesn't make him amazing or anything.


Well, Benny carried bunch of games, you can't say that mancloud was only one with 4 shitters on his back.
Especially it was fun, when he singlehandedly dismantled Curse in game 1 of Summer split after all hype with Edward and stuff, Curse looked silly dying to his Kennen, like always.

But it's hard to be hyped when you play Shen half of split and other half of split you play Renekton, not everyone can be Flame, Gogoing, Shy, PDD or Caomei.

On May 01 2014 05:48 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
RIP CHEESEBURGER DREAM ;___;

The main problem for Uzi is that it's very difficult to build a team around him. The combination of his skill, personality, and age makes it tough to find suitable people. He's not someone who's fit, from what we see, to act as an elder advisor and build up a team of amateurs. There simply aren't any veteran players who are available to make a team with him, and I'd be skeptical if he can find Whitezz again or anything of the sort.


Inb4 Royal Club switches into GPL, Toyz gets resurrected and healed with Stanley, Tabe throws coaching away and Lilballz getting back as well.

On May 01 2014 06:02 Fusilero wrote:
To be fair, mancloud chocked during the playoffs. Sid and xmithie pretty much carried them to worlds against dig.
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/omg-s-hu-xiyang-bin-to-be-replaced-by-omg-cool-at-the-all-stars-due-to-visa-issues/1100-1321/
Xiyang may be replaced by cool at all-stars, xiyang may have a second chance to get his visa


Cool <33
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 21:17:37
April 30 2014 21:02 GMT
#2433
To be fair, mancloud chocked during the playoffs. Sid and xmithie pretty much carried them to worlds against dig.
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/omg-s-hu-xiyang-bin-to-be-replaced-by-omg-cool-at-the-all-stars-due-to-visa-issues/1100-1321/
Xiyang may be replaced by cool at all-stars, xiyang may have a second chance to get his visa
Glorious SEA doto
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 21:35:36
April 30 2014 21:34 GMT
#2434
On May 01 2014 06:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 05:26 zer0das wrote:
I feel like you're inventing a phrase to make a mediocre player sound better than he was. It's not like there's any team that prioritizes their top over their mid or ADC (least that I'm aware of).

Even at Vulcun's peak, it wasn't like Benny was that good. I doubt anyone ever said or thought "Without Sycho Sid this team would be so much worse off." He did his job and didn't do terrible, but that doesn't make him amazing or anything.


Well, Benny carried bunch of games, you can't say that mancloud was only one with 4 shitters on his back.
Especially it was fun, when he singlehandedly dismantled Curse in game 1 of Summer split after all hype with Edward and stuff, Curse looked silly dying to his Kennen, like always.

But it's hard to be hyped when you play Shen half of split and other half of split you play Renekton, not everyone can be Flame, Gogoing, Shy, PDD or Caomei.

Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 05:48 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
RIP CHEESEBURGER DREAM ;___;

The main problem for Uzi is that it's very difficult to build a team around him. The combination of his skill, personality, and age makes it tough to find suitable people. He's not someone who's fit, from what we see, to act as an elder advisor and build up a team of amateurs. There simply aren't any veteran players who are available to make a team with him, and I'd be skeptical if he can find Whitezz again or anything of the sort.


Inb4 Royal Club switches into GPL, Toyz gets resurrected and healed with Stanley, Tabe throws coaching away and Lilballz getting back as well.

Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 06:02 Fusilero wrote:
To be fair, mancloud chocked during the playoffs. Sid and xmithie pretty much carried them to worlds against dig.
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/omg-s-hu-xiyang-bin-to-be-replaced-by-omg-cool-at-the-all-stars-due-to-visa-issues/1100-1321/
Xiyang may be replaced by cool at all-stars, xiyang may have a second chance to get his visa


Cool <33


Caomei is kind of a bad example because for the majority of his career, he was considered a very weak top laner, and WE would often aggressively pursue 1v2/2v1 lane swaps so that weakness gets mitigated. He was basically nicknamed after playing from behind in Chinese for the longest time, in addition to the countless first blood jokes that were floating around. The world's memory of Caomei is when he ws 1v5ing in the enemy base with Rengar, but I assure you that is not at all representative of the majority of his career. WE was, and is still is, an ADC-centric team, with mid taking second priority usually.

If you watched Cool's comeback game against iG, he was absolutely mediocre, and was a clear class below Zzitai. Does not bode well for OMG's All-Star chances if Cool is played.
TranslatorBaa!
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
April 30 2014 21:37 GMT
#2435
On May 01 2014 06:34 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 06:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On May 01 2014 05:26 zer0das wrote:
I feel like you're inventing a phrase to make a mediocre player sound better than he was. It's not like there's any team that prioritizes their top over their mid or ADC (least that I'm aware of).

Even at Vulcun's peak, it wasn't like Benny was that good. I doubt anyone ever said or thought "Without Sycho Sid this team would be so much worse off." He did his job and didn't do terrible, but that doesn't make him amazing or anything.


Well, Benny carried bunch of games, you can't say that mancloud was only one with 4 shitters on his back.
Especially it was fun, when he singlehandedly dismantled Curse in game 1 of Summer split after all hype with Edward and stuff, Curse looked silly dying to his Kennen, like always.

But it's hard to be hyped when you play Shen half of split and other half of split you play Renekton, not everyone can be Flame, Gogoing, Shy, PDD or Caomei.

On May 01 2014 05:48 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
RIP CHEESEBURGER DREAM ;___;

The main problem for Uzi is that it's very difficult to build a team around him. The combination of his skill, personality, and age makes it tough to find suitable people. He's not someone who's fit, from what we see, to act as an elder advisor and build up a team of amateurs. There simply aren't any veteran players who are available to make a team with him, and I'd be skeptical if he can find Whitezz again or anything of the sort.


Inb4 Royal Club switches into GPL, Toyz gets resurrected and healed with Stanley, Tabe throws coaching away and Lilballz getting back as well.

On May 01 2014 06:02 Fusilero wrote:
To be fair, mancloud chocked during the playoffs. Sid and xmithie pretty much carried them to worlds against dig.
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/omg-s-hu-xiyang-bin-to-be-replaced-by-omg-cool-at-the-all-stars-due-to-visa-issues/1100-1321/
Xiyang may be replaced by cool at all-stars, xiyang may have a second chance to get his visa


Cool <33


Caomei is kind of a bad example because for the majority of his career, he was considered a very weak top laner, and WE would often aggressively pursue 1v2/2v1 lane swaps so that weakness gets mitigated. He was basically nicknamed after playing from behind in Chinese for the longest time, in addition to the countless first blood jokes that were floating around. The world's memory of Caomei is when he ws 1v5ing in the enemy base with Rengar, but I assure you that is not at all representative of the majority of his career. WE was, and is still is, an ADC-centric team, with mid taking second priority usually.

If you watched Cool's comeback game against iG, he was absolutely mediocre, and was a clear class below Zzitai. Does not bode well for OMG's All-Star chances if Cool is played.


I actually know it :D But he's still huge personality in League and i bet that if he fails, people won't blame him as hard as NA guys.

And yep, but i still hope that it was just a fluke ;_;
Still, even with mediocre Cool, OMG can't place lower than top-2.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 30 2014 23:50 GMT
#2436
Link to play for C9 at All Stars
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
May 01 2014 03:28 GMT
#2437
http://na.lolesports.com/eu-lcs/2014/split2/overview

Summer split starts May 20th.
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
May 01 2014 05:50 GMT
#2438
[RUMOR]

Forgiven leaving CW
http://www.esportsheaven.com/news/view/64346
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
May 01 2014 08:24 GMT
#2439
[image loading]

news here in chinese, i am lazy to translate nor read it LOL

http://lol.esport.garena.tw/news/news_info.php?nid=2172
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-01 08:29:55
May 01 2014 08:28 GMT
#2440
TPA CHAWY WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
And mountain is okay, probably worse than winds but better than dinter
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