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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 23:15 Fus wrote:
Nanis behavious wasn't offensive, there was just no reason to play that game.
Sure there was, because the tournament asked him to play the game.
I really don't get all this "don't make him play a useless game if you want him to take it seriously!" crap. Naniwa is a professional gamer, representing himself, his team, and to a lesser extent, his country. He was given an opportunity to train in Korea, to help him become the best of the best. It doesn't matter if he, you, or anyone thinks that the game was meaningless, he needs to fucking play it. GOM has been very good about listening to feedback from the players & community, if it was really that big of a problem to make him finish out his games I'm sure there would be a shitstorm on the forums and eventually it would get changed.
Revoking his Code S seed is definitely extreme for doing something that's not technically against the rules, but maybe, just once, Naniwa should have done what was asked of him. Those of you saying that GOM somehow brought this on themselves with a bad format and threatening to get refunds for their season passes are completely out of touch.
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On December 14 2011 23:19 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:15 empty.bottle wrote:
Lol GOM such a joke, you should've established the rules BEFORE the tournament...
Yeah, damn GOM, should of foreseen someone wanting to Probe rush in a tournament that they get paid for even if they don't win a single game.
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/64582
Posted on the 13th of April 2011. Unless time goes backwards...
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On December 14 2011 23:25 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:24 manloveman wrote:On December 14 2011 23:22 top9696 wrote:On December 14 2011 23:08 Benjef wrote:On December 14 2011 23:08 top9696 wrote:
(Sorry for my terrible grammer)
In korea, people are cheering about this news. They think imnestea was ridiculed by naniwa.
Even nestea said that he was mad at that time. Before start playing, He thought for a while how to play, but the glorious probe rush came.
Also im korean. I agree about this. I think this is the culture crash. Guessed as much. Pretty big culture clash. Guess your right. Most Korean dont(cannot) understand why foreigners are standing by naniwa. Anyway, After the probe rush, naniwa got a huge korean anti-fan. So why didnt koreans go bonkers on nestea, when he threw his game vs mwp at blizzcon? Because you're purely speculating and he actually didn't?
Haha go find the destiny quote on sotg about that exact game.
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On December 14 2011 23:21 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:13 iamke55 wrote:On December 14 2011 23:07 azka wrote:
After reading this, I went to gomtv site, and bought the year pass. As a customer I like they punish this behavior.
Well done GOM. I will do the same once I'm done with some schoolwork. So glad a tournament organizer finally has the balls to stand up for the fans, casters, and other players instead of this having this ridiculous western tournament attitude of "This player might be top 100 in the world? He can do whatever the fuck he wants, and we'll pretend to be professional by writing down some rules that we'll never enforce!" and inviting idra how ironical
Except Idra knows how to act professional on the big stage, and that's what matters. I doubt GOM cares (that much) about what Naniwa says outside of the GSL.
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On December 14 2011 23:19 Nawe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:16 HowardRoark wrote:
Didn't Naniwa get banned from ESL aswell? Or was that someone else? He did because of some penalty points (no show I think). And everyone who participated in ESL knows how easy you get penalty points there. Regarding this I understand that Nani's actions were wrong to public but I what if that worked out? Or if Nestea dronerushed him. I bet no one wouldnt care.
.... I hope you're joking... Nestea would of got the same or worse penalty from GOM and his team would of actually done something instead of try to justify it....
The past:
* Choya banned from competing in GSL for a while because he was literally playing Paper/Rock/Scissors on ladder to decide games.
* Coca's team removing him from GSL and kicking him from the house for some time because he let Byun win in an online cup.
* Rain getting a 3(or 6?) month suspension because he didn't inform GOM he was leaving early enough.
If you don't think that that it would of been 10x worse if Nestea drone rushed then you haven't been paying much attention.
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On December 14 2011 23:24 goswser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:24 Elenar wrote:On December 14 2011 23:22 goswser wrote:On December 14 2011 23:21 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
How do I delete my account on gomtv.net? blind swedish fanboys are retards So Im a retard? I bet im "smarter" then you? you cant even figure out how to delete your account so i doubt it
oh wow wp :D
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IdrA instead of Naniwa in Code S?! I may be Protoss but that's still awesome for me.
<3 IdrA
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On December 14 2011 23:24 Elenar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:22 goswser wrote:On December 14 2011 23:21 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
How do I delete my account on gomtv.net? blind swedish fanboys are retards So Im a retard? I bet im "smarter" then you?
than*
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On December 14 2011 23:22 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
Best move on GOMs part. This behavior is unacceptable at any level. If CoCa was punished then this is far worse.
Agree with GOMs decision 100% If you decide to be ignorant of others you dont deserve to have the spot. No room for DIVAS in sc2.
Except Coca wasn't punished it was his own decision to give up that seasons GSL (and maybe encouraged by his Team)
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can't say the guy didn't deserve this.
korean people expect to see a show when they watch starcraft, what Naniwa did is comparable to the entire team of Barcelona having a drink on the pitch while playing against Madrid.
if it were only for me the guy would be punished by more than just a removed GSL seed. What a dumbass.
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On December 14 2011 23:24 manloveman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:22 top9696 wrote:On December 14 2011 23:08 Benjef wrote:On December 14 2011 23:08 top9696 wrote:
(Sorry for my terrible grammer)
In korea, people are cheering about this news. They think imnestea was ridiculed by naniwa.
Even nestea said that he was mad at that time. Before start playing, He thought for a while how to play, but the glorious probe rush came.
Also im korean. I agree about this. I think this is the culture crash. Guessed as much. Pretty big culture clash. Guess your right. Most Korean dont(cannot) understand why foreigners are standing by naniwa. Anyway, After the probe rush, naniwa got a huge korean anti-fan. So why didnt koreans go bonkers on nestea, when he threw his game vs mwp at blizzcon?
You're joking right?
You don't see the difference between blindly accusing Nestea for throwing his game vs Naniwa probe rushing and then in the interview admitting he didn't want to play?
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On December 14 2011 23:21 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:17 Skwid1g wrote:On December 14 2011 23:12 muNsu wrote:
Esports is just a joke, this confirmed that it won't last more than 1 year now. When the premier league does something so ridicolous it's obvious that it's just a little show to please some fans. He earned the spot, he has been training for this. He threw the game vs nestea because 1) His mentality was crushed, he just lost close games and the last he lost vs MMA was vs a platinum level played cheese. 2) The game was hyped. That's why he didn't want to have such a grudge revenge match in a situation with nothing on the line, it wouldn't have meant anything. whichever side lost would have been "BUT IT WASNT TRYING, IT WASN'T WORTH ANYTHING", even you kids can understand this. 3)Letting them play that was ridicolous.
Now, do i have to remind you idra gg'ing, forfeiting bo3 after the first map because of whine when it actually meant something? But that's allright because you fans will laugh and call him a badboy. You are just hypocrites. Stephano threw games when they meant nothing to him but to the other players of this group. Also, in REAL sports there wouldn't have even been a discussion. If they wanted to punish him, they could have been "ok, you don't get paid for blizzcup." or maybe "ok, you won't get paid for next gsl season". But this is just so retarded that I can't even begin to understand how you can defend GOM's decision. It's the player that CAN do stupid shit, that can earn or lose them fans, but as long as they don't break the rules it shouldn't be a problem to anyone. THE COMPANY JUST CANT BARGE IN AND TAKE PERSONAL ACTIONS, THAT'S NOT WHAT BEING PROFESSIONAL MEANS. Can you understand this? You're beyond delusional. Kespa is MUCH more stern than GOM and their supported E-sport seems to have lasted more than a year. They didn't take personal action, they have a rule against it. You can claim that it's vague, but the fact of the matter is that it's there and it was quite obvious that a lot of fans (and players) WERE offended by Naniwa's actions. And you're right - if this was a REAL sport he'd be fined thousands of dollars, I guess he should be happy it's only "E-sports" right? On December 14 2011 23:17 St00r wrote:
F*ck you GOM, I was about to purchase a year pass. Now you're doing this. What a joke, NaNi deserves Code S way more then both the zergs. This makes me wanna puke. What a fucking joke. Hope you enjoy loosing loads of your costumers by doing this silly. Learn to host tournaments instead and this would have never happend.
Naniwa is the true champion that neither Sen or Idra can match. They do know how to host a tournament, Naniwa just doesn't deserve to play in one. Kespa had rules, Kespa enforced rules with an iron fist. Kespa didn't arbitrarily decide a play style is offensive and kick someone out of an individual league, then lie and say they were never in the league, just being "considered" for a spot. You can agree or disagree with how they run things but there is a serious difference here.
Kespa's rules were pretty arbitrary.
GOM didn't say Naniwa's play style is offensive.
GOM didn't kick Naniwa's out of any league.
Naniwa was considered for Code S, as in not finalized but almost certain.
Naniwa was not in GSL or Code S.
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On December 14 2011 23:26 Elthreann wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:22 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
Best move on GOMs part. This behavior is unacceptable at any level. If CoCa was punished then this is far worse.
Agree with GOMs decision 100% If you decide to be ignorant of others you dont deserve to have the spot. No room for DIVAS in sc2. Except Coca wasn't punished it was his own decision to give up that seasons GSL (and maybe encouraged by his Team)
Then what else do you want Gom to do? What can they do exactly beside kicking him out of GSL?
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On December 14 2011 23:24 manloveman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:22 top9696 wrote:On December 14 2011 23:08 Benjef wrote:On December 14 2011 23:08 top9696 wrote:
(Sorry for my terrible grammer)
In korea, people are cheering about this news. They think imnestea was ridiculed by naniwa.
Even nestea said that he was mad at that time. Before start playing, He thought for a while how to play, but the glorious probe rush came.
Also im korean. I agree about this. I think this is the culture crash. Guessed as much. Pretty big culture clash. Guess your right. Most Korean dont(cannot) understand why foreigners are standing by naniwa. Anyway, After the probe rush, naniwa got a huge korean anti-fan. So why didnt koreans go bonkers on nestea, when he threw his game vs mwp at blizzcon?
Because he didn't?
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I love e-sports drama. Been some time since the EG and Puma incident.
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On December 14 2011 23:20 Nawe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:19 zep wrote:On December 14 2011 23:13 iamke55 wrote:On December 14 2011 23:07 azka wrote:
After reading this, I went to gomtv site, and bought the year pass. As a customer I like they punish this behavior.
Well done GOM. I will do the same once I'm done with some schoolwork. So glad a tournament organizer finally has the balls to stand up for the fans, casters, and other players instead of this having this ridiculous western tournament attitude of "This player might be top 100 in the world? He can do whatever the fuck he wants, and we'll pretend to be professional by writing down some rules that we'll never enforce!" I'm actually a naniwa fan, but I really feel gom did the right thing here by punishing this type of behaviour. I was sitting on the fence about whether or not to get a yearly subscription to gom, but I'm definitely going to get the subscription now. Yes months of training and when he finally obtained Code S status he lost if because he worker rushed in meaningless game. It;s not fair at all. They should ban marine+scv then...It's regular strategy as any other.
Sure, but then a punishment is supposed to hurt right? I feel like naniwa will be able to get back into code S anyway, so I don't see a one season ban being too bad.
Also a marine scv rush is a legitimate strategy. A probe rush that is a moved with any attempt to micro isn't.
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On December 14 2011 23:24 Corsica wrote:
Oh man Swedes are pissing me off with their super super super biasness...
Because this discussion is between swedes and the rest of the world. Or not. I'm so tired of the TL community bringing nationality into every discussion(including both sides of this discussion). Either say something constructive, or don't say anything at all, but don't spread hate.
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It's GSL's fault for having a format that leads to possible pointless matches. You can't expect competitive players to play serious games when theres nothing on the line for either of them.
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On December 14 2011 23:17 Skwid1g wrote:
They do know how to host a tournament, Naniwa just doesn't deserve to play in one.
Nice joke bro.
No tournament in the world would let people play a game without nothing on line. They clearly need to learn to host a better tournament. :-)
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I wonder how many people that say they will cancel their subscription ACTUALLY subscribed to the year passes and not just flinging it around like the quantity of it being spammed would change the outcome.
This is like the people saying they will stop playing SC2 en masse because of a balance patch, or canceling their subscription to WoW because class X is imba. Give me a break.
If you just watched the GSL to watch Naniwa, where were you for the rest of the year? If you just watched the GSL for foreigners, why would you cancel if there are still the same amount of foreigners in? If you just watched the GSL to watch good games, why would you call out an entire league because the enforced a rule?
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