On November 21 2011 03:05 ninjamyst wrote: It doesn't matter if Naniwa apologizes. He's still not going to change his attitude. Until he actually becomes a nice, fun guy, apologies mean nothing.
He is a nice and fun guy lol. He just got fucking pissed because of that miscommunication, which I'm sure a lot more people than naniwa would have been in the same situation. Some people also seem to have a really hard time to understand when he actually isn't serious at all about stuff he says .
Coming from a guy with a history of insulting people, words that translate into "I think you are lacking in mental capability" are pretty clear cut. But please, try to insinuate that saying someone is stupid totally wasn't insulting.
He said that what he did was idiot! At least in portuguese we do differ actions between people. If I do an idiot thing it does not mean I am idiot. (besides idiot is a generic insult in portuguese that everyone accepts if you did a really stupid thing)
The same interview where he said MVP and Nestea were easy, and he didn't expect Nestea to advance far?
So he own against MVP and Nestea twice this week and he is not allowed to sate is opinion?
General consensus seems to be that it's okay because CrunCher isn't zerg.
Or Korean.
He said the words "but he's just an idiot." He called Nestea as a person an idiot.
In Swedish the word does not hold the same weight. Especially in that context.
So in Swedish, someone saying you have below average intelligence isn't that insulting. I'll keep that in mind while I call you stupid.
"Det där var jävligt dumt gjort" "That was a really fucking idiotic thing to do" (word by word translation)
Very common, no problem in sweden. Cursing is very common yes (not much religion here). Listen to Jinro talk if nothing else
"I thought he was doing something genius with the drones out on the map but it turned out he's an idiot" <- Totally fine if translated to swedish. I'm 100% sure Nani didn't mean to insult him as badly as you think.
@TT1 What do you have against Naniwa btw? Reading all your replies in this thread you clearly don't like him AT ALL yet "have heard stories" is the best you got?
Idiot in Swedish is the exact same word and carries the exact same meaning as in English. Not that it matter, this thing is blown way out of proportion, but your post is just fanboy bullshit and not accurate at all.
Lol its embarassing when all the swedish people in here try to act like being called an idiot (same word) in swedish isnt an insult? wtf guys? Im having pride for naniwa too but he is fucking BM Id never deny that.
Naniwa misunderstood the admin (complete miscommunication that I personally attribute to the language barrier). The game was paused as Naniwa refused to play.
wow mlg trying to spin this. Im assuming you weren't there so you can't possibly know exactly who said what. It is clear that there was a misunderstanding but you don't know wether it was a misunderstanding from naniwas part or if it was the admin not being clear enough. MLG's version doesn't add up to what naniwa is saying.
At first you have sundance (who wasn't there either) saying: "Was his mistake. Not anyone else's. " and then, "He made a mistake then claimed it was the ref.Hhe picked before our admin even went into the booth.
Some maps have crosses some do not. He chose one thinking that it was a cross position map when it wasn't.
Not a big deal in the end but annoying none the less."
Notice how sundance does not claim that that naniwa wasn't told that there was only cross pos, he only comments on the timing. It is not relevant when naniwa picked the map, he went into the game thinking it was cross only and therefore planned for that. Naniwa didn't pick the map because he thought it was only cross (or atleast that's not what bothered him), the problem was that he went into the game (after picking map) thinking that it was cross only.
Now you say that he misunderstood the admin, and you think that it's because of language barrier. Naniwa has pretty good english and should be able to understand when and admin is telling him wether or not it cross spawns only ffs, unless admin is being vague in his statements. But by the attributing miscommunication to language barrier you're basically putting the mistake on naniwa and not on yourself.
I'm the 6'2 200 lb guy stalking around all the time at the main stage. Can't miss me. I was standing there on the stage the entire time as were already behind schedule and I was making sure things kept rolling.
Can we please stop the conspiracy stuff? I have no reason to lie about it. I just want to have a great conclusion to what has been a great tournament.
Im not saying anyone is telling lies, or that it's a conspiracy. I wans't there so i don't know exactly what happened, im just calling it as i see it. Im not upset about what happened. It is not the first time MLG admins have been critisized by players though.
It is weird to me that Naniwa seems to be sure that he was told that it was cross only. MLG claims he is clearly wrong and then backs it up with vague statements. Why not just tell us what was said, so we can make up our own minds, instead of just going "ok guys i was there and heard everything, just trust me we werent wrong!"
That seems like MLG is trying to cover their asses to me, or that everyone isn't entirely sure what happened. The reason im posting is because i'd like to see it cleared up, and i can't see why mlg wouldn't wanna do the same. Anyway i wont push this issue furthers, just wanna enjoy the rest of the games.
if Nani thinks Nestea is and idiot than he has the right to state his oppinion! He just meant to call nesteas actions iditoic which is even more okey even if he meant him personally its HIS FUCKING oppinion so he can state whatever he wants !
Coming from a guy with a history of insulting people, words that translate into "I think you are lacking in mental capability" are pretty clear cut. But please, try to insinuate that saying someone is stupid totally wasn't insulting.
He said that what he did was idiot! At least in portuguese we do differ actions between people. If I do an idiot thing it does not mean I am idiot. (besides idiot is a generic insult in portuguese that everyone accepts if you did a really stupid thing)
The same interview where he said MVP and Nestea were easy, and he didn't expect Nestea to advance far?
So he own against MVP and Nestea twice this week and he is not allowed to sate is opinion?
General consensus seems to be that it's okay because CrunCher isn't zerg.
Or Korean.
He said the words "but he's just an idiot." He called Nestea as a person an idiot.
In Swedish the word does not hold the same weight. Especially in that context.
So in Swedish, someone saying you have below average intelligence isn't that insulting. I'll keep that in mind while I call you stupid.
"Det där var jävligt dumt gjort" "That was a really fucking idiotic thing to do" (word by word translation)
Very common, no problem in sweden. Cursing is very common yes (not much religion here). Listen to Jinro talk if nothing else
"I thought he was doing something genius with the drones out on the map but it turned out he's an idiot" <- Totally fine if translated to swedish. I'm 100% sure Nani didn't mean to insult him as badly as you think.
@TT1 What do you have against Naniwa btw? Reading all your replies in this thread you clearly don't like him AT ALL yet "have heard stories" is the best you got?
havnt u seen a correlation between players who have a disrespectful attitude towards legends and me calling them out on it? i feel like theres a few players in the scene that nobody has a right to bm and when someone does ill speak out against him, its that simple.. and ill do it everytime regardless if ur a fan of the player and get seriously offended by wat i say
u always have to show respect to the icons that helped paved our path(especially to the ones that are a bit older ^^), cant disrespect ppl like boxer or nestea.. thats just standard starcraft etiquette
your always going to have problems when players are frustated or just lack more advanced words that they may come out worse then it actually was, people need to rememeber this isnt the native language.. this is second language etc
atend of day they know BASIC english and not the full blown enlgish we know soo somewords may be used which make thingks 10x worse
Coming from a guy with a history of insulting people, words that translate into "I think you are lacking in mental capability" are pretty clear cut. But please, try to insinuate that saying someone is stupid totally wasn't insulting.
He said that what he did was idiot! At least in portuguese we do differ actions between people. If I do an idiot thing it does not mean I am idiot. (besides idiot is a generic insult in portuguese that everyone accepts if you did a really stupid thing)
The same interview where he said MVP and Nestea were easy, and he didn't expect Nestea to advance far?
So he own against MVP and Nestea twice this week and he is not allowed to sate is opinion?
General consensus seems to be that it's okay because CrunCher isn't zerg.
Or Korean.
He said the words "but he's just an idiot." He called Nestea as a person an idiot.
In Swedish the word does not hold the same weight. Especially in that context.
So in Swedish, someone saying you have below average intelligence isn't that insulting. I'll keep that in mind while I call you stupid.
"Det där var jävligt dumt gjort" "That was a really fucking idiotic thing to do" (word by word translation)
Very common, no problem in sweden. Cursing is very common yes (not much religion here). Listen to Jinro talk if nothing else
"I thought he was doing something genius with the drones out on the map but it turned out he's an idiot" <- Totally fine if translated to swedish. I'm 100% sure Nani didn't mean to insult him as badly as you think.
@TT1 What do you have against Naniwa btw? Reading all your replies in this thread you clearly don't like him AT ALL yet "have heard stories" is the best you got?
havnt u seen a correlation between players who have a disrespectful attitude towards legends and me calling them out on it? i feel like theres a few players in the scene that nobody has a right to bm and when someone does ill speak out against him, its that simple.. and ill do it everytime regardless if ur a fan of the player and get seriously offended by wat i say
u always have to show respect to the icons that helped paved our path(especially to the ones that are a bit older ^^), cant disrespect ppl like boxer or nestea.. thats just standard starcraft etiquette
yeh fine for Nestea to say people such as Inca in gsl finals are not even worthy to be there(probably correct) but its not fine for others to be misinterperted speaking a second language. Also he said he would smash nan before the gamesi???? lol
people make me laugh how its fine for some people to talk trash but not others. lol just ebcuase of who they are. if this was MC everyone would be lapping it up.....
On November 21 2011 03:14 WaZuP wrote: if Nani thinks Nestea is and idiot than he has the right to state his oppinion! He just meant to call nesteas actions iditoic which is even more okey even if he meant him personally its HIS FUCKING oppinion so he can state whatever he wants !
This..
So when IdrA calls other players dumb, stupid, waste of lives it's ok?
But when NaNiwa calls someone an idiot for doing a dumb move, it's not?
After watching this video my opinion changed drastically. It turns out naniwa has a lot more respect for his opponent and the way people were describing things made it seem like naniwa was the bad guy. Seems like naniwa did nothing wrong besides the thumbs down that was kinda dickish. But yeah, its all blame on the admins if anything, they should have told him the right info so naniwa wouldnt screw up his cheese.
On November 21 2011 03:05 ninjamyst wrote: It doesn't matter if Naniwa apologizes. He's still not going to change his attitude. Until he actually becomes a nice, fun guy, apologies mean nothing.
He is a nice and fun guy lol. He just got fucking pissed because of that miscommunication, which I'm sure a lot more people than naniwa would have been in the same situation. Some people also seem to have a really hard time to understand when he actually isn't serious at all about stuff he says .
NanIwa is one of the most BM players in Starcraft 2, in WC3 he was notorious for his terrible attitude and bad manners.
There is a line between acting BM in game and acting BM in real life - Naniwa seems to be treading that line, and his interview about NesTea annoyed people so much because it seemed to translate his in-game BM to real life. Maybe because I'm a bit older now, but complaining/insulting in interviews and stuff just seems immature.
Idra/MC being BM in a game setting is fun and part of the game. If Naniwa can be nice in interviews and contain his BM to the games themselves then I'm all for it. Just don't be a jerk in real life!
On November 21 2011 03:05 ninjamyst wrote: It doesn't matter if Naniwa apologizes. He's still not going to change his attitude. Until he actually becomes a nice, fun guy, apologies mean nothing.
He is a nice and fun guy lol. He just got fucking pissed because of that miscommunication, which I'm sure a lot more people than naniwa would have been in the same situation. Some people also seem to have a really hard time to understand when he actually isn't serious at all about stuff he says .
NanIwa is one of the most BM players in Starcraft 2, in WC3 he was notorious for his terrible attitude and bad manners.
Saying he's nice and fun isn't very accurate..
He's grown up a lot from WC3, actually. He's still a little BM(unintentionally or not) now and again, but so is everyone else.
On November 21 2011 03:05 ninjamyst wrote: It doesn't matter if Naniwa apologizes. He's still not going to change his attitude. Until he actually becomes a nice, fun guy, apologies mean nothing.
He is a nice and fun guy lol. He just got fucking pissed because of that miscommunication, which I'm sure a lot more people than naniwa would have been in the same situation. Some people also seem to have a really hard time to understand when he actually isn't serious at all about stuff he says .
NanIwa is one of the most BM players in Starcraft 2, in WC3 he was notorious for his terrible attitude and bad manners.
Saying he's nice and fun isn't very accurate..
He was one of the most BM starcraft 2 players for sure yeah, totally wouldn't say he is now. Don't think he's very bm at all. In wc3 he was extremely bm but that should be sort of understandable with his personal problems. Have you seen him in anything besides an actual competitive game? He is actually nice and funny.
On November 21 2011 03:31 pt wrote: Lol there is no drama. People are just making it a big deal.
nooo, really? you think a site like TL full of gossiping drama queen bitches would make a mountain out of a molehill just for dramas sake? thats crazy talk.
On November 21 2011 03:33 Dante_A_ wrote: There is a line between acting BM in game and acting BM in real life - Naniwa seems to be treading that line, and his interview about NesTea annoyed people so much because it seemed to translate his in-game BM to real life. Maybe because I'm a bit older now, but complaining/insulting in interviews and stuff just seems immature.
Idra/MC being BM in a game setting is fun and part of the game. If Naniwa can be nice in interviews and contain his BM to the games themselves then I'm all for it. Just don't be a jerk in real life!
yeah, it would suck if more people said what they actually think without sugarcoating it those kind of interviews are all over the place! I much prefer an interview where everyone is hugging, the world is full of rainbows and smiles, and noone ever heard of the word 'opinion'
Coming from a guy with a history of insulting people, words that translate into "I think you are lacking in mental capability" are pretty clear cut. But please, try to insinuate that saying someone is stupid totally wasn't insulting.
He said that what he did was idiot! At least in portuguese we do differ actions between people. If I do an idiot thing it does not mean I am idiot. (besides idiot is a generic insult in portuguese that everyone accepts if you did a really stupid thing)
The same interview where he said MVP and Nestea were easy, and he didn't expect Nestea to advance far?
So he own against MVP and Nestea twice this week and he is not allowed to sate is opinion?
General consensus seems to be that it's okay because CrunCher isn't zerg.
Or Korean.
He said the words "but he's just an idiot." He called Nestea as a person an idiot.
In Swedish the word does not hold the same weight. Especially in that context.
So in Swedish, someone saying you have below average intelligence isn't that insulting. I'll keep that in mind while I call you stupid.
"Det där var jävligt dumt gjort" "That was a really fucking idiotic thing to do" (word by word translation)
Very common, no problem in sweden. Cursing is very common yes (not much religion here). Listen to Jinro talk if nothing else
"I thought he was doing something genius with the drones out on the map but it turned out he's an idiot" <- Totally fine if translated to swedish. I'm 100% sure Nani didn't mean to insult him as badly as you think.
@TT1 What do you have against Naniwa btw? Reading all your replies in this thread you clearly don't like him AT ALL yet "have heard stories" is the best you got?
Idiot in Swedish is the exact same word and carries the exact same meaning as in English. Not that it matter, this thing is blown way out of proportion, but your post is just fanboy bullshit and not accurate at all.
Nah.
Word for word it's 'That was a damn fool thing to do". Which is no problem. 'Fucking' is a much stronger curse word than 'jävlig' and you wouldn't translate it that way if you were doing translations.
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