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Whenever I make a thread backed with facts, it gets completely ignored and locked if it doesn't fit in with the general liberal bias of this website.. I believe their is a bit of over moderation on this forum.. anyone else agree with me?
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Are we allowed to discuss in a place that isn't meant for discussion?
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Welcome to Team liquid comrade brother.
Do enjoy stay in gulag yes?
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I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down.
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ick... if you really had to post this post it here
edit: Also we are not going to do your homework for you. Try yahoo questions.
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You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP.
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But but but the thread was back up with FACTS!
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I have to agree.. I spend a fair bit of time in the closed section because its where most of the interesting threads end up
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On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down.
I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself.
Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo.
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On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo.
Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done?
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On November 03 2011 11:13 Crais wrote:
But but but the thread was back up with FACTS!
"For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S.
population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for
murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested
for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate
that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns.
For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders"
Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick.
On November 03 2011 11:12 Probulous wrote:
You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP.
Why? I posted a study, a video, and personal experience.. that didn't sound too bad to me.
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The only threads it's looked like you've opened have been two asking for homework help, and "Black people in the U.S. more prone to violence?", which included statistics that didn't really support your point at all, and followed by a non-sequitur about "young black men and women are throwing their lives away", which sounded pretty discriminatory and condescending.
Also, it doesn't invite great discussion because it opens the doors to all sorts of racist comments and generalizations, which would probably just turn it into a giant ban-trap. Similar reasoning to why threads involving religion get closed most of the time.
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United States22154 Posts
join the oppressed masses! Help us rise against the tyrannical regime of hot_bid by occupying Team Liquid
##Occupy: Team Liquid
:-P
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Lol atheists are some of the most pathetic human beings out there.
ive made fun of a gay guy at work everday for the past 4 months and im not stopping anytime soon. I could honestly care less about some nancy boys feelings.
Looking at your post history I'm sure that your thread was bound to go places !
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On November 03 2011 11:18 asdlkj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:13 Crais wrote:
But but but the thread was back up with FACTS! "For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S. population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns. For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders" Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick. Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:12 Probulous wrote:
You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP. Why? I posted a study, a video, and personal experience.. that didn't sound too bad to me.
You're right, posting a thread that will 100% lead to a massive flame war among posters doesnt sound too bad to you, but to TL moderation its a fucking nightmare.
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On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done?
I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone.
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I imagine you could find some riveting discussion about blacks and violence on stormfront if TL is not to your liking
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Katowice25012 Posts
There is a 0% chance a thread title "Black people: More prone to violence?" is going to end up as some kind of legitimate discussion.
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United States22154 Posts
On November 03 2011 11:19 Setev wrote:
You seriously sound like an angry little prick. Won't be surprised that you are some sort of fucking Christian fundamentalist. If you can't put across your opinions in a civilized manner, then get the fuck out of TL.
You do realize the irony of this post, right?
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"For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S.
population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for
murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested
for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate
that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns.
For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders"
Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick.
Those statistics are really biased. If you want to use statistics at least back them up with some kind of legitimate ACADEMIC study. I can find at least 3-5 omitted variables which would significantly change the way those statistics would be represented. Those statistics are scapegoating race instead of looking at things like income level, single parent families, education level, etc. etc. etc.
Be careful of statistics, they can be so twisted and abused it is almost ridiculous to quote statistics as evidence without attempting to do any kind of careful analysis.
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On November 03 2011 11:19 GMarshal wrote:
join the oppressed masses! Help us rise against the tyrannical regime of hot_bid by occupying Team Liquid
##Occupy: Team Liquid
:-P
I put a lot of thought into really important issues
I get sources that back up my thoughts.
I take a long time to articulately write my thoughts down
I see the same proposters getting spotlit so often.
My thread gets closed before 1 page of comments.
I am the 99%
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On November 03 2011 11:20 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +ive made fun of a gay guy at work everday for the past 4 months and im not stopping anytime soon. I could honestly care less about some nancy boys feelings. Looking at your post history I'm sure that your thread was bound to go places !
This thread had nothing to do with my religion or gay people though.
On November 03 2011 11:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
The only threads it's looked like you've opened have been two asking for homework help, and "Black people in the U.S. more prone to violence?", which included statistics that didn't really support your point at all, and followed by a non-sequitur about "young black men and women are throwing their lives away", which sounded pretty discriminatory and condescending.
Also, it doesn't invite great discussion because it opens the doors to all sorts of racist comments and generalizations, which would probably just turn it into a giant ban-trap. Similar reasoning to why threads involving religion get closed most of the time.
So we should just close the thread because their are going to be some rotten apples?
On November 03 2011 11:19 Setev wrote:
You seriously sound like an angry little prick. Won't be surprised that you are some sort of fucking Christian fundamentalist. If you can't put across your opinions in a civilized manner, then get the fuck out of TL.
What does my Christian beliefs have anything to do with this? Is it crime to not be a liberal who mocks god?
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Maybe TL isn't the right place to have a discussion on how race and violence are related or not.
Edit: Do you not find it slightly inflammatory to imply that liberals are people who mock god? This is the kind of thing that gets the thread closed.
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On November 03 2011 11:18 asdlkj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:13 Crais wrote:
But but but the thread was back up with FACTS! "For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S. population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns. For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders" Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick. Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:12 Probulous wrote:
You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP. Why? I posted a study, a video, and personal experience.. that didn't sound too bad to me.
It is the basic assumption in your posts that that blacks are different (not to PC the place but african american is better). You clearly were not looking for an explanation. You chose a random stat from more than 15 years ago that doesn't prove that as a community they are somehow different. Saying "Some families are even better off then me" is anecdotal and means sweet fuck all.
You know this is a sensitive topic and yet you blatantly showed no sensitivity at all. Why should we respect your post if you don't respect the topic.
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United States10238 Posts
Wait you say you dont bash gay people... or you dont bash whatsoever... hold on in your previous posts brought by our good friend ZeaL. , you clearly insult/bash on gay people and atheists. If you are going to be like this, please don't stay here.
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United States5162 Posts
On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone.
LOL, the quotes from Zeal seem to show otherwise.
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On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone.
so then what do you call this?
"To me the kid seems to be gay because he craves attention. Just listening to his fake gay accent makes me lol. I think the kids that hit him obviously deserve a 3 day suspension for actually hitting him. They should have stuck to just making fun of him imo "
"gays can be made fun of all they want as long as they have the right to be gay. wanna now why? because this is america. not pakistan or russia.ive made fun of a gay guy at work everday for the past 4 months and im not stopping anytime soon. I could honestly care less about some nancy boys feelings"
seems like you're bashing gay people to me. Its pretty hard to blatently lie when someone can just check your post history yo.
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United States24741 Posts
I'm moving this to website feedback because if it remains in blogs it's going to have to be closed for a reason of: "2 line OP is insufficient for a new thread"
edit: no promises it can't get locked later for another reason
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Actually, after reading what exigent just dug up, I feel bad for the gay guy you work with. Just because people are different doesn't mean they should be ridiculed. It is kind of odd that you are saying that there is this liberal bias that is holding you down, while you are saying all these things about gay people and holding them down.
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On November 03 2011 11:24 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. LOL, the quotes from Zeal seem to show otherwise.
I've never bashed gay people on this website. Sorry for not making it clear.
On November 03 2011 11:23 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:18 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:13 Crais wrote:
But but but the thread was back up with FACTS! "For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S. population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns. For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders" Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick. On November 03 2011 11:12 Probulous wrote:
You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP. Why? I posted a study, a video, and personal experience.. that didn't sound too bad to me. It is the basic assumption in your posts that that blacks are different (not to PC the place but african american is better). You clearly were not looking for an explanation. You chose a random stat from more than 15 years ago that doesn't prove that as a community they are somehow different. Saying "Some families are even better off then me" is anecdotal and means sweet fuck all. You know this is a sensitive topic and yet you blatantly showed no sensitivity at all. Why should we respect your post if you don't respect the topic.
I honestly don't understand why this would be a sensitive topic? From what I understand blacks get everything from scholarships to housing handed to them..?
On November 03 2011 11:24 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. so then what do you call this? Show nested quote +"To me the kid seems to be gay because he craves attention. Just listening to his fake gay accent makes me lol. I think the kids that hit him obviously deserve a 3 day suspension for actually hitting him. They should have stuck to just making fun of him imo " Show nested quote +"gays can be made fun of all they want as long as they have the right to be gay. wanna now why? because this is america. not pakistan or russia.ive made fun of a gay guy at work everday for the past 4 months and im not stopping anytime soon. I could honestly care less about some nancy boys feelings" seems like your bashing gay people to me. Its pretty hard to blatently lie when someone can just check your post history yo.
Again. I never posted " I HATE GAY PEOPLE AND I HOPE THEY ALL DIE " on this actual website. Sure I've said some bad stuff about gay people in real life, but that has nothing to do with how I'll act on this forum.
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United States10238 Posts
On November 03 2011 11:27 asdlkj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:24 Myles wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. LOL, the quotes from Zeal seem to show otherwise. I've never bashed gay people on this website. Sorry for not making it clear. Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:23 Probulous wrote:On November 03 2011 11:18 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:13 Crais wrote:
But but but the thread was back up with FACTS! "For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S. population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns. For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders" Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick. On November 03 2011 11:12 Probulous wrote:
You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP. Why? I posted a study, a video, and personal experience.. that didn't sound too bad to me. It is the basic assumption in your posts that that blacks are different (not to PC the place but african american is better). You clearly were not looking for an explanation. You chose a random stat from more than 15 years ago that doesn't prove that as a community they are somehow different. Saying "Some families are even better off then me" is anecdotal and means sweet fuck all. You know this is a sensitive topic and yet you blatantly showed no sensitivity at all. Why should we respect your post if you don't respect the topic. I honestly don't understand why this would be a sensitive topic? From what I understand blacks get everything from scholarships to housing handed to them..? Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:24 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. so then what do you call this? "To me the kid seems to be gay because he craves attention. Just listening to his fake gay accent makes me lol. I think the kids that hit him obviously deserve a 3 day suspension for actually hitting him. They should have stuck to just making fun of him imo " "gays can be made fun of all they want as long as they have the right to be gay. wanna now why? because this is america. not pakistan or russia.ive made fun of a gay guy at work everday for the past 4 months and im not stopping anytime soon. I could honestly care less about some nancy boys feelings" seems like your bashing gay people to me. Its pretty hard to blatently lie when someone can just check your post history yo. Again. I never posted " I HATE GAY PEOPLE AND I HOPE THEY ALL DIE " on this actual website. Sure I've said some bad stuff about gay people in real life, but that has nothing to do with how I'll act on this forum.
saying bad stuff about gay people in this forum based upon your recent post history begs to differ. i see many evidence here showing that you enjoy to attack gay people. is this not bashing? what do you call bashing then? please id like to understand your mindset.
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asdlkj, apparently I am sheltered because I was not aware that people actually thought about the world the way you do.
... unless trolling ...
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I think it boils down to this:
"1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE
You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you."
See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 .
You're entitled to your opinion. It just happens to be one that's WILDLY in the minority and that lots of folks here (liberal bias or no) find offensive and unpleasant.
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On November 03 2011 11:27 asdlkj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:24 Myles wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. LOL, the quotes from Zeal seem to show otherwise. I've never bashed gay people on this website. Sorry for not making it clear. Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:23 Probulous wrote:On November 03 2011 11:18 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:13 Crais wrote:
But but but the thread was back up with FACTS! "For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S. population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns. For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders" Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick. On November 03 2011 11:12 Probulous wrote:
You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP. Why? I posted a study, a video, and personal experience.. that didn't sound too bad to me. It is the basic assumption in your posts that that blacks are different (not to PC the place but african american is better). You clearly were not looking for an explanation. You chose a random stat from more than 15 years ago that doesn't prove that as a community they are somehow different. Saying "Some families are even better off then me" is anecdotal and means sweet fuck all. You know this is a sensitive topic and yet you blatantly showed no sensitivity at all. Why should we respect your post if you don't respect the topic. I honestly don't understand why this would be a sensitive topic? From what I understand blacks get everything from scholarships to housing handed to them..? Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:24 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. so then what do you call this? "To me the kid seems to be gay because he craves attention. Just listening to his fake gay accent makes me lol. I think the kids that hit him obviously deserve a 3 day suspension for actually hitting him. They should have stuck to just making fun of him imo " "gays can be made fun of all they want as long as they have the right to be gay. wanna now why? because this is america. not pakistan or russia.ive made fun of a gay guy at work everday for the past 4 months and im not stopping anytime soon. I could honestly care less about some nancy boys feelings" seems like your bashing gay people to me. Its pretty hard to blatently lie when someone can just check your post history yo. Again. I never posted " I HATE GAY PEOPLE AND I HOPE THEY ALL DIE " on this actual website. Sure I've said some bad stuff about gay people in real life, but that has nothing to do with how I'll act on this forum.
Huh?? I just posted those quotes from TL...yes...this actual website. Also, you just fully admitted to being harsher IRL than you have been on this forum. Go figure.
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I honestly don't understand why this would be a sensitive topic? From what I understand blacks get everything from scholarships to housing handed to them..?
Lines like this are the exact reason we I preempt these discussions.
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On November 03 2011 11:32 beberly wrote:I think it boils down to this: "1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you." See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 . You're entitled to your opinion. It just happens to be one that's WILDLY in the minority and that lots of folks here (liberal bias or no) find offensive and unpleasant.
Yeah, wasn't there also a box before making your account that said like I agree to these rules or something. basically, you can't just arrive here thinking you can insult gay people. It's wrong. I mean, would you enjoy if someone were to make fun of your christianity? I don't think so. treat others how you want to be treated.
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Okay but talking on the forums about how you bash on gay people is just as aggravating as bashing on gay people on the forums.
And another thing, why do you want to engage this community in discussion on weather or not black people are more violent. Do you honestly think that its possible for people to remain civil in such a racist topic?
It seems to me like you're a troll trying to start flame wars and then trying to pass it off as general discussion.
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On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:
I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself.
Reading the rest of the comments you've left in this thread, anyone with a Christian background should probably be offended that you purport to represent them.
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On November 03 2011 11:27 asdlkj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:24 Myles wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. LOL, the quotes from Zeal seem to show otherwise. I've never bashed gay people on this website. Sorry for not making it clear. Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:23 Probulous wrote:On November 03 2011 11:18 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:13 Crais wrote:
But but but the thread was back up with FACTS! "For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S. population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns. For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders" Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick. On November 03 2011 11:12 Probulous wrote:
You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP. Why? I posted a study, a video, and personal experience.. that didn't sound too bad to me. It is the basic assumption in your posts that that blacks are different (not to PC the place but african american is better). You clearly were not looking for an explanation. You chose a random stat from more than 15 years ago that doesn't prove that as a community they are somehow different. Saying "Some families are even better off then me" is anecdotal and means sweet fuck all. You know this is a sensitive topic and yet you blatantly showed no sensitivity at all. Why should we respect your post if you don't respect the topic. I honestly don't understand why this would be a sensitive topic? From what I understand blacks get everything from scholarships to housing handed to them..? Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:24 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. so then what do you call this? "To me the kid seems to be gay because he craves attention. Just listening to his fake gay accent makes me lol. I think the kids that hit him obviously deserve a 3 day suspension for actually hitting him. They should have stuck to just making fun of him imo " "gays can be made fun of all they want as long as they have the right to be gay. wanna now why? because this is america. not pakistan or russia.ive made fun of a gay guy at work everday for the past 4 months and im not stopping anytime soon. I could honestly care less about some nancy boys feelings" seems like your bashing gay people to me. Its pretty hard to blatently lie when someone can just check your post history yo. Again. I never posted " I HATE GAY PEOPLE AND I HOPE THEY ALL DIE " on this actual website. Sure I've said some bad stuff about gay people in real life, but that has nothing to do with how I'll act on this forum.
And this is not mean to be racist by any means, if their is something that sounds racist, I really want this to be a civilized discussion.
Don't lie. You knew this might sound racist. You sound like a spoilt child.Why is this an issue for you anyway? Your viewpoint is so paternalistic it is sickening.
"Black people can't help themselves so me and my mum are going to put together a support group to help them". Can you not see how insulting that it is? There is a difference between genuinely trying to learn about something and just using that as an excuse to piss on people.
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I honestly don't understand why this would be a sensitive topic? From what I understand blacks get everything from scholarships to housing handed to them..?
This right here shows you know dick all about what you're talking about. Maybe you should get an education before holding strongly held beliefs.
If you really wanted to learn about something about race vs violence, a simple google of "poverty crime black" turns up a shit ton of information. That is, if you actually wanted to learn something and not bash whatever group you deem to be inferior to you in an effort to make you feel better about yourself.
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On November 03 2011 11:32 beberly wrote:I think it boils down to this: "1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you." See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 . You're entitled to your opinion. It just happens to be one that's WILDLY in the minority and that lots of folks here (liberal bias or no) find offensive and unpleasant.
So being anything other than a leftist atheist is not fine here?
On November 03 2011 11:30 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:27 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:24 Myles wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. LOL, the quotes from Zeal seem to show otherwise. I've never bashed gay people on this website. Sorry for not making it clear. On November 03 2011 11:23 Probulous wrote:On November 03 2011 11:18 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:13 Crais wrote:
But but but the thread was back up with FACTS! "For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S. population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns. For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders" Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick. On November 03 2011 11:12 Probulous wrote:
You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP. Why? I posted a study, a video, and personal experience.. that didn't sound too bad to me. It is the basic assumption in your posts that that blacks are different (not to PC the place but african american is better). You clearly were not looking for an explanation. You chose a random stat from more than 15 years ago that doesn't prove that as a community they are somehow different. Saying "Some families are even better off then me" is anecdotal and means sweet fuck all. You know this is a sensitive topic and yet you blatantly showed no sensitivity at all. Why should we respect your post if you don't respect the topic. I honestly don't understand why this would be a sensitive topic? From what I understand blacks get everything from scholarships to housing handed to them..? On November 03 2011 11:24 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. so then what do you call this? "To me the kid seems to be gay because he craves attention. Just listening to his fake gay accent makes me lol. I think the kids that hit him obviously deserve a 3 day suspension for actually hitting him. They should have stuck to just making fun of him imo " "gays can be made fun of all they want as long as they have the right to be gay. wanna now why? because this is america. not pakistan or russia.ive made fun of a gay guy at work everday for the past 4 months and im not stopping anytime soon. I could honestly care less about some nancy boys feelings" seems like your bashing gay people to me. Its pretty hard to blatently lie when someone can just check your post history yo. Again. I never posted " I HATE GAY PEOPLE AND I HOPE THEY ALL DIE " on this actual website. Sure I've said some bad stuff about gay people in real life, but that has nothing to do with how I'll act on this forum. saying bad stuff about gay people in this forum based upon your recent post history begs to differ. i see many evidence here showing that you enjoy to attack gay people. is this not bashing? what do you call bashing then? please id like to understand your mindset.
That's the thing. I never directly called people out on being gay on this website. If I found a gay person on this site, I wouldn't say anything to him. What I do in real life should not be factored in on this website.
On November 03 2011 11:32 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:27 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:24 Myles wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. LOL, the quotes from Zeal seem to show otherwise. I've never bashed gay people on this website. Sorry for not making it clear. On November 03 2011 11:23 Probulous wrote:On November 03 2011 11:18 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:13 Crais wrote:
But but but the thread was back up with FACTS! "For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S. population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns. For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders" Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick. On November 03 2011 11:12 Probulous wrote:
You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP. Why? I posted a study, a video, and personal experience.. that didn't sound too bad to me. It is the basic assumption in your posts that that blacks are different (not to PC the place but african american is better). You clearly were not looking for an explanation. You chose a random stat from more than 15 years ago that doesn't prove that as a community they are somehow different. Saying "Some families are even better off then me" is anecdotal and means sweet fuck all. You know this is a sensitive topic and yet you blatantly showed no sensitivity at all. Why should we respect your post if you don't respect the topic. I honestly don't understand why this would be a sensitive topic? From what I understand blacks get everything from scholarships to housing handed to them..? On November 03 2011 11:24 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. so then what do you call this? "To me the kid seems to be gay because he craves attention. Just listening to his fake gay accent makes me lol. I think the kids that hit him obviously deserve a 3 day suspension for actually hitting him. They should have stuck to just making fun of him imo " "gays can be made fun of all they want as long as they have the right to be gay. wanna now why? because this is america. not pakistan or russia.ive made fun of a gay guy at work everday for the past 4 months and im not stopping anytime soon. I could honestly care less about some nancy boys feelings" seems like your bashing gay people to me. Its pretty hard to blatently lie when someone can just check your post history yo. Again. I never posted " I HATE GAY PEOPLE AND I HOPE THEY ALL DIE " on this actual website. Sure I've said some bad stuff about gay people in real life, but that has nothing to do with how I'll act on this forum. Huh?? I just posted those quotes from TL...yes...this actual website. Also, you just fully admitted to being harsher IRL than you have been on this forum. Go figure.
So what if I am IRL? That's IRL. Not on this site. IT shouldn't effect the quality of this site at all.
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On November 03 2011 11:33 heyoka wrote:Show nested quote +
I honestly don't understand why this would be a sensitive topic? From what I understand blacks get everything from scholarships to housing handed to them..?
Lines like this are the exact reason we I preempt these discussions.
It also happens to be an outright lie.
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On November 03 2011 11:22 asdlkj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
The only threads it's looked like you've opened have been two asking for homework help, and "Black people in the U.S. more prone to violence?", which included statistics that didn't really support your point at all, and followed by a non-sequitur about "young black men and women are throwing their lives away", which sounded pretty discriminatory and condescending.
Also, it doesn't invite great discussion because it opens the doors to all sorts of racist comments and generalizations, which would probably just turn it into a giant ban-trap. Similar reasoning to why threads involving religion get closed most of the time. So we should just close the thread because their are going to be some rotten apples?
It's not only about a few bad apples. Your entire OP was flawed in a way that would seriously derail any possible discussion that could take place right from the start.
Firstly, you provide statistics that don't really show anything, just that several years ago, blacks made up the highest number of arrests. This has no correlation to violence, because arrests don't show that a person committed a violent act, just that they were arrested. This also doesn't take any socioeconomic reasons into consideration either, even if blacks did statistically commit more crimes than other racial groups in the US. You're drawing your own reasoning from the numbers to support a flawed conclusion, namely that blacks commit more violent crimes because they are black.
Secondly and most fatally (Though this ties into point #1 as well), you make huge general statements about an entire race. You go from more blacks were arrested for violent crimes, to "I want to know team liquids opinions on why this is occurring, and why so many young black men and women are throwing their lives away?". It doesn't follow. You're using anecdotal evidence and extrapolating that to an entire race while using irrelevant statistics to support it as "fact".
Also, "If I could find the route of the problem I might start a support group, because it honestly makes me AND my parents sad that so many people who have the whole world ahead of them are throwing their lives away?" just sounds condescending to an entire race of people.
You're not trying to make an objective OP about a subject, you're making an OP based on personal bias and belief rife with generalization. It doesn't make for good discussion.
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On November 03 2011 11:36 asdlkj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:32 beberly wrote:I think it boils down to this: "1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you." See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 . You're entitled to your opinion. It just happens to be one that's WILDLY in the minority and that lots of folks here (liberal bias or no) find offensive and unpleasant. So being anything other than a leftist atheist is not fine here? Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:30 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 03 2011 11:27 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:24 Myles wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. LOL, the quotes from Zeal seem to show otherwise. I've never bashed gay people on this website. Sorry for not making it clear. On November 03 2011 11:23 Probulous wrote:On November 03 2011 11:18 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:13 Crais wrote:
But but but the thread was back up with FACTS! "For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S. population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns. For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders" Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick. On November 03 2011 11:12 Probulous wrote:
You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP. Why? I posted a study, a video, and personal experience.. that didn't sound too bad to me. It is the basic assumption in your posts that that blacks are different (not to PC the place but african american is better). You clearly were not looking for an explanation. You chose a random stat from more than 15 years ago that doesn't prove that as a community they are somehow different. Saying "Some families are even better off then me" is anecdotal and means sweet fuck all. You know this is a sensitive topic and yet you blatantly showed no sensitivity at all. Why should we respect your post if you don't respect the topic. I honestly don't understand why this would be a sensitive topic? From what I understand blacks get everything from scholarships to housing handed to them..? On November 03 2011 11:24 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. so then what do you call this? "To me the kid seems to be gay because he craves attention. Just listening to his fake gay accent makes me lol. I think the kids that hit him obviously deserve a 3 day suspension for actually hitting him. They should have stuck to just making fun of him imo " "gays can be made fun of all they want as long as they have the right to be gay. wanna now why? because this is america. not pakistan or russia.ive made fun of a gay guy at work everday for the past 4 months and im not stopping anytime soon. I could honestly care less about some nancy boys feelings" seems like your bashing gay people to me. Its pretty hard to blatently lie when someone can just check your post history yo. Again. I never posted " I HATE GAY PEOPLE AND I HOPE THEY ALL DIE " on this actual website. Sure I've said some bad stuff about gay people in real life, but that has nothing to do with how I'll act on this forum. saying bad stuff about gay people in this forum based upon your recent post history begs to differ. i see many evidence here showing that you enjoy to attack gay people. is this not bashing? what do you call bashing then? please id like to understand your mindset. That's the thing. I never directly called people out on being gay on this website. If I found a gay person on this site, I wouldn't say anything to him. What I do in real life should not be factored in on this website. Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:32 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:27 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:24 Myles wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. LOL, the quotes from Zeal seem to show otherwise. I've never bashed gay people on this website. Sorry for not making it clear. On November 03 2011 11:23 Probulous wrote:On November 03 2011 11:18 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:13 Crais wrote:
But but but the thread was back up with FACTS! "For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S. population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns. For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders" Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick. On November 03 2011 11:12 Probulous wrote:
You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP. Why? I posted a study, a video, and personal experience.. that didn't sound too bad to me. It is the basic assumption in your posts that that blacks are different (not to PC the place but african american is better). You clearly were not looking for an explanation. You chose a random stat from more than 15 years ago that doesn't prove that as a community they are somehow different. Saying "Some families are even better off then me" is anecdotal and means sweet fuck all. You know this is a sensitive topic and yet you blatantly showed no sensitivity at all. Why should we respect your post if you don't respect the topic. I honestly don't understand why this would be a sensitive topic? From what I understand blacks get everything from scholarships to housing handed to them..? On November 03 2011 11:24 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. so then what do you call this? "To me the kid seems to be gay because he craves attention. Just listening to his fake gay accent makes me lol. I think the kids that hit him obviously deserve a 3 day suspension for actually hitting him. They should have stuck to just making fun of him imo " "gays can be made fun of all they want as long as they have the right to be gay. wanna now why? because this is america. not pakistan or russia.ive made fun of a gay guy at work everday for the past 4 months and im not stopping anytime soon. I could honestly care less about some nancy boys feelings" seems like your bashing gay people to me. Its pretty hard to blatently lie when someone can just check your post history yo. Again. I never posted " I HATE GAY PEOPLE AND I HOPE THEY ALL DIE " on this actual website. Sure I've said some bad stuff about gay people in real life, but that has nothing to do with how I'll act on this forum. Huh?? I just posted those quotes from TL...yes...this actual website. Also, you just fully admitted to being harsher IRL than you have been on this forum. Go figure. So what if I am IRL? That's IRL. Not on this site. IT shouldn't effect the quality of this site at all.
Except you are who you are IRL. If you bash gay people in IRL it shows on the forums, we have quotes of it showing on the forums and that is when it becomes an issue to people on the forums.
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Also, can we also get some moderation in this thread, some of you guys are having a hard time staying on topic. Not sure why I'm even replying to you trolls trying to derail the thread.
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This doesn't fall under the category of "everything" does it now?
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On November 03 2011 11:36 asdlkj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:32 beberly wrote:I think it boils down to this: "1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you." See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 . You're entitled to your opinion. It just happens to be one that's WILDLY in the minority and that lots of folks here (liberal bias or no) find offensive and unpleasant. So being anything other than a leftist atheist is not fine here? Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:30 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 03 2011 11:27 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:24 Myles wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. LOL, the quotes from Zeal seem to show otherwise. I've never bashed gay people on this website. Sorry for not making it clear. On November 03 2011 11:23 Probulous wrote:On November 03 2011 11:18 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:13 Crais wrote:
But but but the thread was back up with FACTS! "For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S. population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns. For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders" Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick. On November 03 2011 11:12 Probulous wrote:
You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP. Why? I posted a study, a video, and personal experience.. that didn't sound too bad to me. It is the basic assumption in your posts that that blacks are different (not to PC the place but african american is better). You clearly were not looking for an explanation. You chose a random stat from more than 15 years ago that doesn't prove that as a community they are somehow different. Saying "Some families are even better off then me" is anecdotal and means sweet fuck all. You know this is a sensitive topic and yet you blatantly showed no sensitivity at all. Why should we respect your post if you don't respect the topic. I honestly don't understand why this would be a sensitive topic? From what I understand blacks get everything from scholarships to housing handed to them..? On November 03 2011 11:24 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. so then what do you call this? "To me the kid seems to be gay because he craves attention. Just listening to his fake gay accent makes me lol. I think the kids that hit him obviously deserve a 3 day suspension for actually hitting him. They should have stuck to just making fun of him imo " "gays can be made fun of all they want as long as they have the right to be gay. wanna now why? because this is america. not pakistan or russia.ive made fun of a gay guy at work everday for the past 4 months and im not stopping anytime soon. I could honestly care less about some nancy boys feelings" seems like your bashing gay people to me. Its pretty hard to blatently lie when someone can just check your post history yo. Again. I never posted " I HATE GAY PEOPLE AND I HOPE THEY ALL DIE " on this actual website. Sure I've said some bad stuff about gay people in real life, but that has nothing to do with how I'll act on this forum. saying bad stuff about gay people in this forum based upon your recent post history begs to differ. i see many evidence here showing that you enjoy to attack gay people. is this not bashing? what do you call bashing then? please id like to understand your mindset. That's the thing. I never directly called people out on being gay on this website. If I found a gay person on this site, I wouldn't say anything to him. What I do in real life should not be factored in on this website. Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:32 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:27 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:24 Myles wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. LOL, the quotes from Zeal seem to show otherwise. I've never bashed gay people on this website. Sorry for not making it clear. On November 03 2011 11:23 Probulous wrote:On November 03 2011 11:18 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:13 Crais wrote:
But but but the thread was back up with FACTS! "For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S. population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns. For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders" Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick. On November 03 2011 11:12 Probulous wrote:
You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP. Why? I posted a study, a video, and personal experience.. that didn't sound too bad to me. It is the basic assumption in your posts that that blacks are different (not to PC the place but african american is better). You clearly were not looking for an explanation. You chose a random stat from more than 15 years ago that doesn't prove that as a community they are somehow different. Saying "Some families are even better off then me" is anecdotal and means sweet fuck all. You know this is a sensitive topic and yet you blatantly showed no sensitivity at all. Why should we respect your post if you don't respect the topic. I honestly don't understand why this would be a sensitive topic? From what I understand blacks get everything from scholarships to housing handed to them..? On November 03 2011 11:24 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. so then what do you call this? "To me the kid seems to be gay because he craves attention. Just listening to his fake gay accent makes me lol. I think the kids that hit him obviously deserve a 3 day suspension for actually hitting him. They should have stuck to just making fun of him imo " "gays can be made fun of all they want as long as they have the right to be gay. wanna now why? because this is america. not pakistan or russia.ive made fun of a gay guy at work everday for the past 4 months and im not stopping anytime soon. I could honestly care less about some nancy boys feelings" seems like your bashing gay people to me. Its pretty hard to blatently lie when someone can just check your post history yo. Again. I never posted " I HATE GAY PEOPLE AND I HOPE THEY ALL DIE " on this actual website. Sure I've said some bad stuff about gay people in real life, but that has nothing to do with how I'll act on this forum. Huh?? I just posted those quotes from TL...yes...this actual website. Also, you just fully admitted to being harsher IRL than you have been on this forum. Go figure. So what if I am IRL? That's IRL. Not on this site. IT shouldn't effect the quality of this site at all.
As a Christian, I'd like to note that the ignorance in those posts of yours besmirch the reputation of all actual Christians in the world. No real Christian would say "they should just insult gay people."
Furthermore, your post concerning racial crime statistics is woefully ignorant. You clearly lack any understanding about legal injustices, socioeconomic inequities, and institutionalized racism in history, and I'm not going to bother trying to explain when you can't even recognize the basic fact in how silly your posts are in the first place.
I'm having a really hard time believing that this isn't some troll account.
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On November 03 2011 11:27 asdlkj wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2011 11:24 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. LOL, the quotes from Zeal seem to show otherwise. I've never bashed gay people on this website. Sorry for not making it clear. On November 03 2011 11:23 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:18 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:13 Crais wrote:
But but but the thread was back up with FACTS! "For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S. population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns. For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders" Is this not a fact? I just thought that you guys would get bored of reading over the 100 other ones I read and wanted to post. There is no denying blacks are less prone to violence. And I was about to answer the "lower money = more crime" posts, but the thread got closed. Some of those black families are even better off then me, so that's why I wanted to know what makes them tick. On November 03 2011 11:12 Probulous wrote:
You have to admit your thread was horribly put together for as delicate a discussion as race effects on violence.
As always put the effort in and you get the reward.
Just like this blog, two lines is hardly a decent OP. Why? I posted a study, a video, and personal experience.. that didn't sound too bad to me. It is the basic assumption in your posts that that blacks are different (not to PC the place but african american is better). You clearly were not looking for an explanation. You chose a random stat from more than 15 years ago that doesn't prove that as a community they are somehow different. Saying "Some families are even better off then me" is anecdotal and means sweet fuck all. You know this is a sensitive topic and yet you blatantly showed no sensitivity at all. Why should we respect your post if you don't respect the topic. I honestly don't understand why this would be a sensitive topic? + Show Spoiler +From what I understand blacks get everything from scholarships to housing handed to them..? On November 03 2011 11:24 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:20 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:17 eXigent. wrote:On November 03 2011 11:15 asdlkj wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Jacobine wrote:
I just read all your posts... no there is not over moderation, rather its the way you are trying to get across your point. Often it is either condescending, rude, misinformed, or downright insulting. I actually agreed with a few of your general concepts (really generally), but the way you have decided to voice your opinion is downright appalling. Maybe spend a little bit more time putting together effective arguments and leave the personal attacks, broad generalizations, and insulting condescending tones out of them and your threads will not be auto shut down. I agree that my posts in the gay thread were a bit out of line, but it's because I have a christian back ground and I like to voice my opinion on those type of issues. I won't be in gay threads any time soon though, because I realize I was out of line myself. Now, with my previous thread. I was seconds away from posting studies that link blacks with violence until it got closed. I really don't believe that "This thread isn't going to go anywhere" is a good response, because their actually might be a great discussion that might arise. I think that close was completely unjust imo. Ok so you come here, and bash on people who are gay, and people who are black...Yeah it really seems like you are being OVER moderated. Oh and the only threads you made were simply to ask someone to help you with homework, which you tried to hide by saying it was a universal homework thread. Seriously, based on all those crappy posts, what leads you to believe an injustice is being done? I never bashed gay people though, and I never bashed black people. There was no "bashing" in my threads. Maybe it's my tone? I'm not sure. But I definitively wasn't "bashing" anyone. so then what do you call this? Show nested quote +"To me the kid seems to be gay because he craves attention. Just listening to his fake gay accent makes me lol. I think the kids that hit him obviously deserve a 3 day suspension for actually hitting him. They should have stuck to just making fun of him imo " Show nested quote +"gays can be made fun of all they want as long as they have the right to be gay. wanna now why? because this is america. not pakistan or russia.ive made fun of a gay guy at work everday for the past 4 months and im not stopping anytime soon. I could honestly care less about some nancy boys feelings" seems like your bashing gay people to me. Its pretty hard to blatently lie when someone can just check your post history yo. Again. I never posted " I HATE GAY PEOPLE AND I HOPE THEY ALL DIE " on this actual website. Sure I've said some bad stuff about gay people in real life, but that has nothing to do with how I'll act on this forum.
On November 03 2011 10:53 asdlkj wrote:
And this is not mean to be racist by any means, if their is something that sounds racist, I really want this to be a civilized discussion
You knew this was sensitive and you posted badly anyway.
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United States10238 Posts
On November 03 2011 11:41 asdlkj wrote:
Also, can we also get some moderation in this thread, some of you guys are having a hard time staying on topic. Not sure why I'm even replying to you trolls trying to derail the thread.
Wait... WE ARE THE TROLLS??? Are you kidding me? Hey, none of us are the ones being racist to blacks or gays. And for that matter, if anything mods need to get moderation into your head.
P.S. You aren't allowed to tell the mods what to do btw. Mods are there to do their job, not to let people like you tell them. I experienced that first hand actually.
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Katowice25012 Posts
On November 03 2011 11:41 asdlkj wrote:
Also, can we also get some moderation in this thread
Good idea.
This is why the original thread was closed.
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