EPT9/11/1973 remember victims of Chile coup d'état - Page 5
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grigorin
Austria275 Posts
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chocopaw
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Marais
Brazil26 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On September 12 2011 01:05 Marais wrote: The chilean 9/11 is much more important than the american one for some people (mostly chileans). But looks like it cant even be discussed becose of the american superiority complex. This. Hurts me so much to see people try to put down the OP. Disgusting. | ||
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Redlol
United States181 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 12 2011 01:05 Marais wrote: The chilean 9/11 is much more important than the american one for some people (mostly chileans). But looks like it cant even be discussed becose of the american superiority complex. Has nothing to do with superiority complex. After the Japanese tsunami some Americans tried to "honor" the lives lost at Pearl Harbor. Other Americans shouted down those people, too. | ||
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g.
Australia123 Posts
On September 12 2011 01:05 Marais wrote: The chilean 9/11 is much more important than the american one for some people (mostly chileans). But looks like it cant even be discussed becose of the american superiority complex. Nor are we allowed to discuss the 13,372 - 32,969 civilian deaths as a result of NATO's retaliation to a rogue group of terrorists. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Plz keep coming with stuff like this. People need to know more about the crap that western countries have done since WW2. Right after WW2 the US was so insanely powerful they could basically do whatever they wanted so they did. Remember MCcarthy remember truman. It's the way the world works. It is surprising that the only crap the US got back are the bombing of the embassies in Nairobi and Dar Es Salaam and 9/11. Things in South America could have turned out a lot worse for the US. I would not find it surprising at all if there were radical left wing terrorist groups rooted in South America targeting US citizens/embassies but it seems there aren't and most South American governments function relatively well compared to the way they did in the 70's and 80's. A little list Cuba - x Guatemala - x Nicaragua - x Panama Colombia - x Chile - x Argentina - x And that's just south America Iraq - x Iran - x Afghanistan - x Pakistan - y Saudi Arabia* Cambodia - x Vietnam - x Countries where US involvement was response to Soviet involvement are marked with an X. Pakistan is marked with a Y because the US and Pakistan had good relations until the USSR was gone and jihadis moved on to their next target, which was already picked as the US. Saudi Arabia has an asterisk because Saudis either liked or didn't care one way or the other about the Saudi-US relationship until Osama bin Laden got his panties twisted about us (and not him) saving the country from Saddam Hussein in 1991. But let's look at what countries were "messed with" by the other side: Afghanistan Albania Angola Argentina Armenia Austria Azerbaijan Belarus Bulgaria Cambodia Chile China Colombia Congo Cuba Czech Republic and Slovakia Egypt Finland Georgia Germany Greece Grenada Guatemala Hungary India Indonesia Iran Iraq Italy Japan Kazakhstan Korea Kyrgyzstan Laos Latvia Lithuania Macedonia Moldova Mongolia Montenegro Nicaragua Philippines Poland Romania Russia Serbia Syria Turkey Ukraine Uzbekistan Vietnam The list of countries the US military/CIA messed with big time is pretty much endless. I don't know much about Africa but I bet its ugly. I am not even mentioning the list of dictators/authoritarian regimes that were allowed to rule their country without the west uttering any word of protest to their conduct. It is critical to understand the extent of american foreign operations ( covert and not covert, military and financial ) and the unrivalled power they had trough the 50's,60's,70's, 80's and 90's to understand 9/11 and put it in perspective. Pure fantasy thinking. Literally every sentence contains at least one inaccuracy, some of them very egregious. | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8173 Posts
On September 12 2011 01:08 ch33psh33p wrote: This. Hurts me so much to see people try to put down the OP. Disgusting. Oh well, that's quite logical, considering that the CIA heavily supported Pinochet and helped a lot the coup. Nobody wants to be reminded that they have been the bad one, especially when nothing has changed. September 11, a thought for the innocent victims of the WTC. And a thought for the victims of the Shouth-American dictatorships America supported for thirty years in their anti-communist paranoiac and imperialist ideology. They deserve to be honored equally. | ||
imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
On September 12 2011 01:12 BlackJack wrote: Has nothing to do with superiority complex. After the Japanese tsunami some Americans tried to "honor" the lives lost at Pearl Harbor. Other Americans shouted down those people, too. That was really different. The people saying stuff after the Japanese tsunami were saying that it was payback for Pearl Harbour, saying the people deserved to die (also happened after Japan beat the US in the women's football world cup). No one in this thread is saying the people in the WTC deserved to die. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On September 12 2011 01:12 BlackJack wrote: Neither was the attack on Pearl Harbor on the same day, nor is what happened on the internet "honor the lives" of anyone; see this for reference.Has nothing to do with superiority complex. After the Japanese tsunami some Americans tried to "honor" the lives lost at Pearl Harbor. Other Americans shouted down those people, too. | ||
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Atlas247
Canada318 Posts
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Marais
Brazil26 Posts
On September 12 2011 01:12 BlackJack wrote: Has nothing to do with superiority complex. After the Japanese tsunami some Americans tried to "honor" the lives lost at Pearl Harbor. Other Americans shouted down those people, too. Just to make it clear: I'm not saying all of the americans have the superiority complex, and there's also diferent levels of it. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8173 Posts
On September 12 2011 01:15 DeepElemBlues wrote: Countries where US involvement was response to Soviet involvement are marked with an X. Pakistan is marked with a Y because the US and Pakistan had good relations until the USSR was gone and jihadis moved on to their next target, which was already picked as the US. Saudi Arabia has an asterisk because Saudis either liked or didn't care one way or the other about the Saudi-US relationship until Osama bin Laden got his panties twisted about us (and not him) saving the country from Saddam Hussein in 1991. But let's look at what countries were "messed with" by the other side: Afghanistan Albania Angola Argentina Armenia Austria Azerbaijan Belarus Bulgaria Cambodia Chile China Colombia Congo Cuba Czech Republic and Slovakia Egypt Finland Georgia Germany Greece Grenada Guatemala Hungary India Indonesia Iran Iraq Italy Japan Kazakhstan Korea Kyrgyzstan Laos Latvia Lithuania Macedonia Moldova Mongolia Montenegro Nicaragua Philippines Poland Romania Russia Serbia Syria Turkey Ukraine Uzbekistan Vietnam Pure fantasy thinking. Literally every sentence contains at least one inaccuracy, some of them very egregious. Look, my mother had to flee Argentina because of the fascist dictatorship your country installed and supported. It had nothing to do with Soviets. Chile had nothing to do with Soviet either. It had to do with a democratic left wing government which was bad for the american companies that exploited Chile at that time. Period. When you guys can recognize your mistakes, and your crimes, you will be a much greater country. I don't have a shame to look at what France did in Algeria and admit it was monstrous. And I won't try to find excuses about the "other side" or whatever. Now if we take your second list and apply to same criteria to the first one, it's basically the whole world. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 12 2011 01:16 imallinson wrote: That was really different. The people saying stuff after the Japanese tsunami were saying that it was payback for Pearl Harbour, saying the people deserved to die (also happened after Japan beat the US in the women's football world cup). No one in this thread is saying the people in the WTC deserved to die. Some of them were saying those things and some of them weren't. But they were all completely classless. | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On September 12 2011 01:15 HeavenS wrote: look i respect what happened. but it seems like ur using the fact that theres a thread alrdy on sep 11 2001 and making a parallel thread on this issue to state ur anti us sentiment. i dont think its appropriate and i think ur a troll. it happened in 1973, u could post this on any other day but decide to do it today and use the sept 11 date as an excuse. ur a troll. and im colombian. i know about this, ur still trolling and its obvious. but w.e, it shows how understanding mods are sometimes considering they left this open for u and u only have 7 posts. So you are advising him to make a post remembering September the 11th, on say..... July the 27th? Then you criticize his post history when he actually joined months ago. He has a right to lurk, you know. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
This. Hurts me so much to see people try to put down the OP. Disgusting. I think it's pretty disgusting from all sides, Allende wasn't some democratic innocent poor man. He ignored thousands of court rulings and ignored the legislature at his pleasure, and did little if anything to stop the increasing militarization of leftist groups while keeping the right-leaning authorities under a very tight leash (partly for fear if he mobilized them they would overthrow him). Also he did little if anything to stop the civil disturbances that were taking place between leftists and rightists in the months leading up to the successful coup (there was an unsuccessful one in the summer). http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Agreement_of_the_Chamber_of_Deputies_of_Chile That's the resolution passed by the Chamber of Deputies that gave the "green light" so to speak to the military to remove him from office. Which he did for them by committing suicide with a gold-plated submachine gun given to him as a gift by Fidel Castro. The chilean 9/11 is much more important than the american one for some people (mostly chileans). But looks like it cant even be discussed becose of the american superiority complex. It can't be discussed because "American superiority complex" = "pointing out that there were two sides." Anything other than blanket, mindless condemnation of America = "American superiority complex." Oh well, that's quite logical, considering that the CIA heavily supported Pinochet and helped a lot the coup. Nobody wants to be reminded that they have been the bad one, especially when nothing has changed. I know, it makes people pretty mad to be reminded that Allende was two-stepping towards a violent dictatorship of the proletariat. September 11, a thought for the innocent victims of the WTC. And a thought for the victims of the Shouth-American dictatorships America supported for thirty years in their anti-communist paranoiac and imperialist ideology. They deserve to be honored equally. I prefer American "imperialism" to Soviet imperialism, oddly enough so do most of the people who experienced the latter... it's kind of weird how it's mostly only people who benefited from American "imperialism" who complain about it. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them. | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
On September 12 2011 01:21 sekritzzz wrote: So you are advising him to make a post remembering September the 11th, on say..... July the 27th? Then you criticize his post history when he actually joined months ago. He has a right to lurk, you know. no im saying the intent of the op doesnt seem honest. i dont think he really wants to remember that date i think he just wants us to think about how big of assholes americans can be because he saw a thread on sept 2001 so hes trying to point it out for us. | ||
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