EPTOn September 12 2011 01:59 GoTuNk! wrote:
I'm sorry but saying there was nothing to do with soviet union and/or that the country was not in terrible shape its not true.
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On September 12 2011 01:19 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Look, my mother had to flee Argentina because of the fascist dictatorship your country installed and supported.
It had nothing to do with Soviets. Chile had nothing to do with Soviet either. It had to do with a democratic left wing government which was bad for the american companies that exploited Chile at that time. Period.
When you guys can recognize your mistakes, and your crimes, you will be a much greater country. I don't have a shame to look at what France did in Algeria and admit it was monstrous. And I won't try to find excuses about the "other side" or whatever.
Now if we take your second list and apply to same criteria to the first one, it's basically the whole world.
On September 12 2011 01:15 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Countries where US involvement was response to Soviet involvement are marked with an X.
Pakistan is marked with a Y because the US and Pakistan had good relations until the USSR was gone and jihadis moved on to their next target, which was already picked as the US.
Saudi Arabia has an asterisk because Saudis either liked or didn't care one way or the other about the Saudi-US relationship until Osama bin Laden got his panties twisted about us (and not him) saving the country from Saddam Hussein in 1991.
But let's look at what countries were "messed with" by the other side:
Afghanistan
Albania
Angola
Argentina
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Bulgaria
Cambodia
Chile
China
Colombia
Congo
Cuba
Czech Republic and Slovakia
Egypt
Finland
Georgia
Germany
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Hungary
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Italy
Japan
Kazakhstan
Korea
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Moldova
Mongolia
Montenegro
Nicaragua
Philippines
Poland
Romania
Russia
Serbia
Syria
Turkey
Ukraine
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Pure fantasy thinking. Literally every sentence contains at least one inaccuracy, some of them very egregious.
Plz keep coming with stuff like this. People need to know more about the crap that western countries have done since WW2. Right after WW2 the US was so insanely powerful they could basically do whatever they wanted so they did. Remember MCcarthy remember truman. It's the way the world works. It is surprising that the only crap the US got back are the bombing of the embassies in Nairobi and Dar Es Salaam and 9/11. Things in South America could have turned out a lot worse for the US. I would not find it surprising at all if there were radical left wing terrorist groups rooted in South America targeting US citizens/embassies but it seems there aren't and most South American governments function relatively well compared to the way they did in the 70's and 80's.
A little list
Cuba - x
Guatemala - x
Nicaragua - x
Panama
Colombia - x
Chile - x
Argentina - x
And that's just south America
Iraq - x
Iran - x
Afghanistan - x
Pakistan - y
Saudi Arabia*
Cambodia - x
Vietnam - x
A little list
Cuba - x
Guatemala - x
Nicaragua - x
Panama
Colombia - x
Chile - x
Argentina - x
And that's just south America
Iraq - x
Iran - x
Afghanistan - x
Pakistan - y
Saudi Arabia*
Cambodia - x
Vietnam - x
Countries where US involvement was response to Soviet involvement are marked with an X.
Pakistan is marked with a Y because the US and Pakistan had good relations until the USSR was gone and jihadis moved on to their next target, which was already picked as the US.
Saudi Arabia has an asterisk because Saudis either liked or didn't care one way or the other about the Saudi-US relationship until Osama bin Laden got his panties twisted about us (and not him) saving the country from Saddam Hussein in 1991.
But let's look at what countries were "messed with" by the other side:
Afghanistan
Albania
Angola
Argentina
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Bulgaria
Cambodia
Chile
China
Colombia
Congo
Cuba
Czech Republic and Slovakia
Egypt
Finland
Georgia
Germany
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Hungary
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Italy
Japan
Kazakhstan
Korea
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Moldova
Mongolia
Montenegro
Nicaragua
Philippines
Poland
Romania
Russia
Serbia
Syria
Turkey
Ukraine
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
The list of countries the US military/CIA messed with big time is pretty much endless. I don't know much about Africa but I bet its ugly. I am not even mentioning the list of dictators/authoritarian regimes that were allowed to rule their country without the west uttering any word of protest to their conduct. It is critical to understand the extent of american foreign operations ( covert and not covert, military and financial ) and the unrivalled power they had trough the 50's,60's,70's, 80's and 90's to understand 9/11 and put it in perspective.
Pure fantasy thinking. Literally every sentence contains at least one inaccuracy, some of them very egregious.
Look, my mother had to flee Argentina because of the fascist dictatorship your country installed and supported.
It had nothing to do with Soviets. Chile had nothing to do with Soviet either. It had to do with a democratic left wing government which was bad for the american companies that exploited Chile at that time. Period.
When you guys can recognize your mistakes, and your crimes, you will be a much greater country. I don't have a shame to look at what France did in Algeria and admit it was monstrous. And I won't try to find excuses about the "other side" or whatever.
Now if we take your second list and apply to same criteria to the first one, it's basically the whole world.
I'm sorry but saying there was nothing to do with soviet union and/or that the country was not in terrible shape its not true.
1- Situation was terrible before he came to power: 35% inflation in 1970.
2- He was democratically elected and never manifested any intention or sign to keep the power or abolish democracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende
