Plz keep coming with stuff like this. People need to know more about the crap that western countries have done since WW2. Right after WW2 the US was so insanely powerful they could basically do whatever they wanted so they did. Remember MCcarthy remember truman. It's the way the world works. It is surprising that the only crap the US got back are the bombing of the embassies in Nairobi and Dar Es Salaam and 9/11. Things in South America could have turned out a lot worse for the US. I would not find it surprising at all if there were radical left wing terrorist groups rooted in South America targeting US citizens/embassies but it seems there aren't and most South American governments function relatively well compared to the way they did in the 70's and 80's.
A little list
Cuba - x
Guatemala - x
Nicaragua - x
Panama
Colombia - x
Chile - x
Argentina - x
And that's just south America

Iraq - x
Iran - x
Afghanistan - x
Pakistan - y
Saudi Arabia*
Cambodia - x
Vietnam - x

Countries where US involvement was response to Soviet involvement are marked with an X.

Pakistan is marked with a Y because the US and Pakistan had good relations until the USSR was gone and jihadis moved on to their next target, which was already picked as the US.

Saudi Arabia has an asterisk because Saudis either liked or didn't care one way or the other about the Saudi-US relationship until Osama bin Laden got his panties twisted about us (and not him) saving the country from Saddam Hussein in 1991.

But let's look at what countries were "messed with" by the other side:

Afghanistan
Albania
Angola
Argentina
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Bulgaria
Cambodia
Chile
China
Colombia
Congo
Cuba
Czech Republic and Slovakia
Egypt
Finland
Georgia
Germany
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Hungary
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Italy
Japan
Kazakhstan
Korea
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Moldova
Mongolia
Montenegro
Nicaragua
Philippines
Poland
Romania
Russia
Serbia
Syria
Turkey
Ukraine
Uzbekistan
Vietnam

The list of countries the US military/CIA messed with big time is pretty much endless. I don't know much about Africa but I bet its ugly. I am not even mentioning the list of dictators/authoritarian regimes that were allowed to rule their country without the west uttering any word of protest to their conduct. It is critical to understand the extent of american foreign operations ( covert and not covert, military and financial ) and the unrivalled power they had trough the 50's,60's,70's, 80's and 90's to understand 9/11 and put it in perspective.

Pure fantasy thinking. Literally every sentence contains at least one inaccuracy, some of them very egregious.

Look, my mother had to flee Argentina because of the fascist dictatorship your country installed and supported.

It had nothing to do with Soviets. Chile had nothing to do with Soviet either. It had to do with a democratic left wing government which was bad for the american companies that exploited Chile at that time. Period.

When you guys can recognize your mistakes, and your crimes, you will be a much greater country. I don't have a shame to look at what France did in Algeria and admit it was monstrous. And I won't try to find excuses about the "other side" or whatever.

Now if we take your second list and apply to same criteria to the first one, it's basically the whole world.

I'm sorry but saying there was nothing to do with soviet union and/or that the country was not in terrible shape its not true.

1- Situation was terrible before he came to power: 35% inflation in 1970.
2- He was democratically elected and never manifested any intention or sign to keep the power or abolish democracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende

Holophonist

United States297 Posts

September 11 2011 17:05 GMT

#142

This is getting ridiculous. There are a million events that happened on September 11th throughout history. Why pick this one if NOT to try and throw it in the US's face? You guys are absolutely blind.

DeepElemBlues

United States5079 Posts

September 11 2011 17:08 GMT

#143

1- Situation was terrible before he came to power: 35% inflation in 1970.

Situation was worse when he killed himself in the face of the coup:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile_under_Allende

2- He was democratically elected and never manifested any intention or sign to keep the power or abolish democracy.

Untrue, no matter how many times Allende lovers say it, it's well-documented that this opinion was first birthed from Cuban and Soviet propaganda agents. Allende not only manifested intentions and signs, he acted on them, to weaken the fabric of Chilean institutions for his own benefit.

GertHeart

United States631 Posts

September 11 2011 17:08 GMT

#144

@OP, Appreciate that you don't really accept wikipedia as your one true source, as it's not accepted by 99% of colleges, since it doesn't even pass as it's own tests of accuracy.

@DeepElemBlues, I am a Russian Refugee(Live in the US now) o.o; but lucky me, our family was one who fought against Soviet Russia, so almost my entire family is dead on my mothers and fathers dead, total alive in my family right now is 6 people.

Biff The Understudy

France8011 Posts

September 11 2011 17:08 GMT

#145

On September 12 2011 02:03 DeepElemBlues wrote:

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Are you really going to go that way.

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You mean Chile, and what you're saying is inaccurate.

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Not only inaccurate, but dishonest. Allende was moving in an authoritarian direction, not surprising behavior for South/Latin American leaders regardless of their being "left" or "right." Saying he didn't want imitate Leninist dictatorship doesn't mean he didn't want to imitate dictatorship in general.

No I don't think he was moving toward a full-on one-party Communist state, but an authoritarian government of the type Venezuela has today? Yes.

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"The full support and help of an other country" is just your fantasy land.

I am seeing some clueless guy saying some of the most horrible things people have ever done to one another weren't that bad, and you're right, it makes me want to puke that you'd say "Soviet[s] not that bad" while bitching about the US.

If your parents had fled the USSR - oh wait, that was almost impossible - and everyone they knew who stayed behind had starved to death thanks to the State stealing all their grain or shooting them when they resisted their grain being stolen, would you feel the way you do now about who was wrong and who was right? Of course not.

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So you're posting stuff about 3 years after the coup, when I already said that the real US crime was supporting Pinochet after the coup?

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You mean the fascist dictatorship in Argentina that had been around since 1945? America installed that?

Where do you get your "facts" from, back issues of Pravda? Honestly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War#US_involvement_with_the_Junta
I was talking about Argentina and this is accurate. Bye

sinii

England989 Posts

September 11 2011 17:10 GMT

#146

Wow I'm surprised at the sheer volume of angry Americans in this thread.

It's a forum how can one interpret this thread as trying to steal the 9/11 threads thunder when they can both co-exist without interrupting each other at all.

Guess what, I'm from an English speaking country and I want to remember both of these events without degrading the lives lost with pathetic whining over something that's not only completely off-topic from both events, but incredibly insensitive too.

RIP to those who lost their lives.

FreddYCooL

Sweden415 Posts

September 11 2011 17:10 GMT

#147

On September 12 2011 02:05 Holophonist wrote:
This is getting ridiculous. There are a million events that happened on September 11th throughout history. Why pick this one if NOT to try and throw it in the US's face? You guys are absolutely blind.

Hey calm down, i have lots of Chilean friends who on this day every year get to together to remember what happened in their country and why they had to flee it. There are legitimate reasons to bring this event up so that people can discuss and remember it.