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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
August 16 2011 14:42 GMT
#10841
hmm /unknown crashed 404 for me
Stork[gm]
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
August 16 2011 14:42 GMT
#10842
On August 16 2011 23:38 ReboundEU wrote:
EG is killing esports with this countdown


Actually, EG is killing my ability to look at other things than this thread. I always look for threads to look at from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/hot.php but for the past two days this thread has been popular and the threads below it have stayed the same. It sucks.
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SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
August 16 2011 14:42 GMT
#10843
Could they be announcing the revival of Gosucamp?

Come stay at the EG House for an extended coaching session.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
August 16 2011 14:42 GMT
#10844
On August 16 2011 23:41 Lohse wrote:
way too much hype if it's "just" huk joining EG tbh


Yeah I kinda agree. Seems like this will be something even bigger.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 14:44:42
August 16 2011 14:43 GMT
#10845
On August 16 2011 23:34 Bippzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 23:29 SolHeiM wrote:
On August 16 2011 23:27 Ipp wrote:
On August 16 2011 23:09 Lordwar wrote:
15k per year is alot of money for playing starcraft all day long in training house. Get real guys


If the training house supplies food, sure it may be ok. But lets be serious you are a pro gamer making 15k/y for 5 years that is a total of 75k (~50k after taxes) for 5 years of your life. If you save 100% of it, you would be on a nice start to a retirement plan. However after you finish your progaming career where do you go? You're ~25 with a pretty bad resume, your hope is to stay within the scene as a commentator, writer, etc. That savings you had over the course of 5 years will mostly used up by the time you get back on your feet.

Last but not least, lets say they practice 56 Hours per week (I'm sure some put in 70+). That comes just under $7 per hour, factor that in with they are the best in that particular field of work, its a very very small number even I can top that number by streaming.

I'm not saying progaming isn't lucrative, but 15k/y is a horrible estimate. Didn't Destiny say he gets at least 50k/y on his own?


Have you heard of a thing called a UNIVERSITY? It's a weird magical place that students that have finished High School go to in order to get something called a degraa... degrede?? Degree, that's the word. A degree. Which they later use to get a job.

Being 25 is not the end of the fucking world.


Actually the fact that your life isn't off to the greatest start is the problem with progaming. It doesn't seem realistic to say that you'll have a lot of savings, and if you don't want to be lonely for the rest of your life you'll want to have children, and children cost tons of money, which shouldn't be a problem if you're working your way up the work ladder, but oh wait "you're just a progamer, yeah my super important company wants you...not. You'll probably just game on the job."


You have such a twisted view of what a pro gamer's life is like I literally can't understand how your brain works.

What is the problem really? That you spent a few years having a blast, doing what you love doing and earning money doing it? Is that somehow a problem? I don't understand.

Who has lots of savings going straight in to university? Not many. There are things called student loans and scholarships or stipends that anyone can get if they look hard enough. Most people aren't willing to look farther out than their bedroom window though, so I understand how it may seem impossible to you.

Who says you'll be alone your entire life? Being 25 is young, really fucking young. I'm not planning on having kids until I'm at least 28. If I'm a sad loner for my entire life up until 25, I have three years I can learn mad social skills, and at 28 I can find a girl I like and start a family with. Forever alone? Doesn't look like it to me.

Children cost money, yeah. But if you live an average persons life, you have two people making the income. Guess what? Women are allowed to get jobs now. Did you know that? Let's pull a number. 40,000 USD a year as a University graduate, maybe? Not that unreasonable if you work hard in school and find a good job. You're 29-30 now maybe, and you want to start a family with a girl. She has a job as well. If she hasn't, what the fuck are you doing with her? She'll probably earn the same amount you do, so that's 80k a year you're earning together. You share everything, because that's what you do when you're a family. 80k is a fucking lot of money.

Children are expensive, sure. But you are the parent, so you can set the limitations. Just because they want shit doesn't mean you have to give it to them. Teach them the value of money, make them work for their toys. Just because they want the newest video game console, doesn't mean you have to give them what they want. All you have to do is feed them and buy them clothes.

No boss is going to think you'll spend all your time playing video games. What ever made you think that, I have no idea.
FreedonNadd
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria573 Posts
August 16 2011 14:43 GMT
#10846
On August 16 2011 23:35 StimMarine wrote:
lol guys.... thousands of PhD students survive on USD 15-20k per year stipends. And this includes payment for rent, food, and bills. Now imagine if you are a pro-gamer on a 15k-20k salary BUT rent, food, and bills are paid for.

I have 2 friends surviving on 10k€ a year for their PHDs. They work on their thesis, breath, sleep, eat, and live in the apartment of their parents. They survive. No vacations, no invest in anything more then 50€ a month and no food outside, that means cocking at home noodles and rice. Some people are happy to survive, but you cant live from it. After many years of surviving my friends have a light depression.
Some people wear Superman pajamas, but Superman has Day[9] pajamas.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 16 2011 14:43 GMT
#10847
Hey guys, good morning! Any new updates? It does not appear so...well, only a little longer.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
August 16 2011 14:43 GMT
#10848
I wonder if the announcement is actually as big as the hype here :D
PigglyWinks
Profile Joined May 2011
364 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 14:45:58
August 16 2011 14:44 GMT
#10849
On August 16 2011 23:31 Grimsong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 23:29 SolHeiM wrote:
On August 16 2011 23:27 Ipp wrote:
On August 16 2011 23:09 Lordwar wrote:
15k per year is alot of money for playing starcraft all day long in training house. Get real guys


If the training house supplies food, sure it may be ok. But lets be serious you are a pro gamer making 15k/y for 5 years that is a total of 75k (~50k after taxes) for 5 years of your life. If you save 100% of it, you would be on a nice start to a retirement plan. However after you finish your progaming career where do you go? You're ~25 with a pretty bad resume, your hope is to stay within the scene as a commentator, writer, etc. That savings you had over the course of 5 years will mostly used up by the time you get back on your feet.

Last but not least, lets say they practice 56 Hours per week (I'm sure some put in 70+). That comes just under $7 per hour, factor that in with they are the best in that particular field of work, its a very very small number even I can top that number by streaming.

I'm not saying progaming isn't lucrative, but 15k/y is a horrible estimate. Didn't Destiny say he gets at least 50k/y on his own?


Have you heard of a thing called a UNIVERSITY? It's a weird magical place that students that have finished High School go to in order to get something called a degraa... degrede?? Degree, that's the word. A degree. Which they later use to get a job.

Being 25 is not the end of the fucking world.


Being 25 and not having a foundation besides "I have very good APM and special tactics" is pretty detrimental for life overall.


How were those APM obtained? Perhaps through hard work, determination and self discipline. Special tactics? Maybe creativity and analysis.

Those abilities aren't typical for someone who will clean toilets or sell hamburgers the rest of his life. If you have what it takes you can find a way even if your resume looks poor to most employers.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
August 16 2011 14:44 GMT
#10850
I still hope this announcement will actually have an impact on my SC2 viewing experience. I'm really dreading its gonna be a new hats scenario.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
August 16 2011 14:44 GMT
#10851
45miuntes until the next MP3!!
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ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
August 16 2011 14:44 GMT
#10852
Gosh..i really hope they announce their new "Release the Graken" mug set..i always wanted that
U MAD BRO?
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
August 16 2011 14:44 GMT
#10853
On August 16 2011 23:42 Bippzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 23:38 ReboundEU wrote:
EG is killing esports with this countdown


Actually, EG is killing my ability to look at other things than this thread. I always look for threads to look at from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/hot.php but for the past two days this thread has been popular and the threads below it have stayed the same. It sucks.

6000 posts and I never knew this existed...
lalala
Hammer442
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 14:45:26
August 16 2011 14:44 GMT
#10854
On August 16 2011 23:43 Knightess wrote:
I wonder if the announcement is actually as big as the hype here :D

Only EGobama could do that now.
nekoconeco
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia359 Posts
August 16 2011 14:45 GMT
#10855
On August 16 2011 23:36 Grimsong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 23:32 StimMarine wrote:
On August 16 2011 23:31 Grimsong wrote:
On August 16 2011 23:29 SolHeiM wrote:
On August 16 2011 23:27 Ipp wrote:
On August 16 2011 23:09 Lordwar wrote:
15k per year is alot of money for playing starcraft all day long in training house. Get real guys


If the training house supplies food, sure it may be ok. But lets be serious you are a pro gamer making 15k/y for 5 years that is a total of 75k (~50k after taxes) for 5 years of your life. If you save 100% of it, you would be on a nice start to a retirement plan. However after you finish your progaming career where do you go? You're ~25 with a pretty bad resume, your hope is to stay within the scene as a commentator, writer, etc. That savings you had over the course of 5 years will mostly used up by the time you get back on your feet.

Last but not least, lets say they practice 56 Hours per week (I'm sure some put in 70+). That comes just under $7 per hour, factor that in with they are the best in that particular field of work, its a very very small number even I can top that number by streaming.

I'm not saying progaming isn't lucrative, but 15k/y is a horrible estimate. Didn't Destiny say he gets at least 50k/y on his own?


Have you heard of a thing called a UNIVERSITY? It's a weird magical place that students that have finished High School go to in order to get something called a degraa... degrede?? Degree, that's the word. A degree. Which they later use to get a job.

Being 25 is not the end of the fucking world.


Being 25 and not having a foundation besides "I have very good APM and special tactics" is pretty detrimental for life overall.


Not if you manage to save up tourney winnings during that time and pay your tuition fees, and graduate debt-free.


Thats assuming you win a substantial amount of prize mone and just tuck it away in your little squirrel hole. And regardless its still a pretty bad spot to be in. 25 with no education, apartment of your own, car of your own, life(?) of your own because you've spent 60-70 hrs a week playing SC for the last 5 years? 4-5 years before education will be even close to being completely done, most likely, 29-30. Yeah you can pay tuition, books, things like that with the money that is "saved", but that money will dry up soon. And when it does? Whats that resume looking like? SC2 pro gamer for 5 years, just finished up a bachelors degree and still have a ways to go on the masters, and trying to support myself as a 27-29 year old man who hopefully budgeted my prize money from finishing in the ro16 in Code A (lets be realistic how many "pro gamers" will be in Korea, let alone qualifying for Code S). Not sure I'd be comfortable with my future.


Still that is even more reason to respect these guys for doing what they do. Not every one can just rationalize their dreams away like that.

Although in the words of DJ Wheat:

Better have a backup plan. I'm fortunate enough that before I began casting (when I was first playing Quake Professionally) I put alot of time and effort into schooling and specifically Information Technology. While it's great to be working in gaming full-time, you have to remember that we're still a fairly unstable and fragile industry. One day you could have a job doing this or that, and 2 years later everything could change. For your own sanity, safety, and future... you should be able to answer the question: "What would I do in life if I wasn't working in gaming full-time?"
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
August 16 2011 14:45 GMT
#10856
On August 16 2011 23:44 Hammer442 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 23:43 Knightess wrote:
I wonder if the announcement is actually as big as the hype here :D

Only EGObama could do that now.


Zomg!! But if he is Protos, does he automatically gets MCs title of Protos President? xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
August 16 2011 14:45 GMT
#10857
On August 16 2011 23:44 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 23:42 Bippzy wrote:
On August 16 2011 23:38 ReboundEU wrote:
EG is killing esports with this countdown


Actually, EG is killing my ability to look at other things than this thread. I always look for threads to look at from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/hot.php but for the past two days this thread has been popular and the threads below it have stayed the same. It sucks.

6000 posts and I never knew this existed...

Nearly 3000 here... How do you even access that without the link?
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Grimsong
Profile Joined August 2010
United States252 Posts
August 16 2011 14:46 GMT
#10858
On August 16 2011 23:44 PigglyWinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 23:31 Grimsong wrote:
On August 16 2011 23:29 SolHeiM wrote:
On August 16 2011 23:27 Ipp wrote:
On August 16 2011 23:09 Lordwar wrote:
15k per year is alot of money for playing starcraft all day long in training house. Get real guys


If the training house supplies food, sure it may be ok. But lets be serious you are a pro gamer making 15k/y for 5 years that is a total of 75k (~50k after taxes) for 5 years of your life. If you save 100% of it, you would be on a nice start to a retirement plan. However after you finish your progaming career where do you go? You're ~25 with a pretty bad resume, your hope is to stay within the scene as a commentator, writer, etc. That savings you had over the course of 5 years will mostly used up by the time you get back on your feet.

Last but not least, lets say they practice 56 Hours per week (I'm sure some put in 70+). That comes just under $7 per hour, factor that in with they are the best in that particular field of work, its a very very small number even I can top that number by streaming.

I'm not saying progaming isn't lucrative, but 15k/y is a horrible estimate. Didn't Destiny say he gets at least 50k/y on his own?


Have you heard of a thing called a UNIVERSITY? It's a weird magical place that students that have finished High School go to in order to get something called a degraa... degrede?? Degree, that's the word. A degree. Which they later use to get a job.

Being 25 is not the end of the fucking world.


Being 25 and not having a foundation besides "I have very good APM and special tactics" is pretty detrimental for life overall.


How were those APM obtained? Perhaps through hard work, determination and self discipline. Special tactics? Maybe creativity and analysis.

Those abilities aren't typical for someone who will clean toilets or sell hamburgers the rest of his life. If you have what it takes you can find a way even if your resume looks poor to most employees.


I understand. But you're assuming companies will give the time of a day for a very incomplete resume lacking solid work history and a masters level education of some sort. Im assuming that it's less likely a company will look at a resume in that regard. I agree it takes a great deal of ability to play SC2, more than what an average job entails, but that isn't always going to get through to people who literally have -no- idea on what a star craft is.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
August 16 2011 14:46 GMT
#10859
On August 16 2011 23:44 ReboundEU wrote:
Gosh..i really hope they announce their new "Release the Graken" mug set..i always wanted that


Ooooh nice. As long as it doesn't have Idra's face on it (I mean, if they just drew a monster and called it Graken I'd be much happier)
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Hammer442
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia749 Posts
August 16 2011 14:46 GMT
#10860
On August 16 2011 23:45 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 23:44 Hammer442 wrote:
On August 16 2011 23:43 Knightess wrote:
I wonder if the announcement is actually as big as the hype here :D

Only EGObama could do that now.


Zomg!! But if he is Protos, does he automatically gets MCs title of Protos President? xD

True presidents play zerg
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