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On July 23 2011 11:29 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 11:26 FallDownMarigold wrote:
I'm curious how the death toll rose so quickly from 10 to 80 at Utoya. Were police just waiting a while to confirm? Quite a sudden change! I seriously don't see how this man can get anything less than either execution or life behind solitary bars... even if Norway's capital punishment system doesn't currently include it Well, as someone said there was pretty much nowhere to run unless you started to swim. He was alone there with the guns and the island wasn't that big. The "Swat" team arrived 1-2+ hours late. I think many people might have drowned.
Alright wait. Wait. He was left to rampage for that much time? I was under the impression he had quickly rounded up a group by calling them over as a policeman. HOW WAS HE LEFT WITH SO MUCH TIME? Are you serious? He had up to TWO HOURS before "SWAT" arrived?
Okay I've gone from remorseful to angry. Norway's police system is partially at blame here, sorry, maybe I'm speaking in anger, but that is downright unacceptable. With the bombings having just happened just prior, there should have been reaction teams or whatever you want to call them on standby. Should have been a within-minutes response. That would explain it, sure, but that does not by any means let Norway's police off the hook. Wow, I don't even know what to say, I'm gonna go ahead and stop and let more facts unravel before making any judgments.
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On July 23 2011 11:31 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 11:30 carloselcoco wrote:On July 23 2011 11:27 Dawski wrote:On July 23 2011 11:25 XiGua wrote:On July 23 2011 11:23 Dawski wrote:On July 23 2011 11:21 XiGua wrote:On July 23 2011 11:17 Dawski wrote:
is it just me or is this situation exactly like the movie "Law Abiding Citizen" Not really... All the crimes were done from prison in the movie and well thought out. This is just a maniac using a bomb as a diversion to kill as many helpless teenagers as possible. i mean for the reason for him committing the crime WTF? Then it's NOTHING like the movie. man pissed off about how government deals with terrorists....becomes a terrorist....plans out the most sickening crime ever And with Norwegian law he could walk free in 21 years  Im pretty fucking sure that there will be exception with this case. 100 or more is dead because of him.
But there is also the possibility that there won;t be an exception
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On July 23 2011 11:31 Typhus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 11:26 FallDownMarigold wrote:
I'm curious how the death toll rose so quickly from 10 to 80 at Utoya. Were police just waiting a while to confirm? Quite a sudden change! I seriously don't see how this man can get anything less than either execution or life behind solitary bars... even if Norway's capital punishment system doesn't currently include it The police and media were propably being conservative and not reporting sensational numbers. They propably wanted to spend their time on other stuff than updating newspapers every time they found and confimed another kill.
They never release any information before family has been informed, and it took a while to start the search on and around the island because of the explosives. They had to fly out a bomb team from the military to secure the island first. And a country in shock don't need speculations. The number is expected to rise during the night as they search the waters.
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I see a Lot of "He", "That Man" rather than a group identity or Racial Attachment. All the Rage and Vitrol dissuaded when we learn he's a white man. we suddenly become more understanding and saddened.
No More "Muslims", "Them","Religion" Detaching this Criminal's Hate from your Hate.
interesting to say the last especially when you see several people's tone change in the same thread.
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On July 23 2011 11:26 carloselcoco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 11:22 PanN wrote:On July 23 2011 11:18 carloselcoco wrote:I can assure you a Freemason would never do something like this. I can assure you if he is a Freemason expect him to end up dead within a year. Quit talking out your butt, a freemason is a person like anyone else, you can't just say "a freemason would NEVER do this" And you can't just assume he'll die because he's a freemason, the freemason oaths aren't meant to be taken literally, no freemason has business killing someone because they broke some codes, and if some freemason does kill him, he'll be punished and shunned as well. (I'm an ex master mason) What grade were you?
Anders B Breivik was a grade I (Arbeidssom St. Johannes lærling) in 2008 http://www.tv2.no/nyheter/prosjekt/frimurer/losjer/soilene/medlem/80189
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http://www.bt.no/nyheter/innenriks/80-drept-p-Utya-2541721.html
bt.no får i natt opplyst at gjerningsmannen snakket i headset under massakren. Dette skal flere øyenvitner ha observert.
bt.no has tonight recieved information that the culprit was talking in a headset during the massacre. Several eyewitnesses have observed this.
bt.no får opplyst at gjerningsmannen brukte lyddemper, i hvert fall til å begynne med, og at det derfor tok tid før AUF-erne skjønte hva som var i ferd med å skje.
bt.no has been informed that the culprit used a silencer, at least in the beginning, and that is the reason why AUFers(the labour party members) didnt realise right away what was happening.
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On July 23 2011 11:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 11:29 Grettin wrote:On July 23 2011 11:26 FallDownMarigold wrote:
I'm curious how the death toll rose so quickly from 10 to 80 at Utoya. Were police just waiting a while to confirm? Quite a sudden change! I seriously don't see how this man can get anything less than either execution or life behind solitary bars... even if Norway's capital punishment system doesn't currently include it Well, as someone said there was pretty much nowhere to run unless you started to swim. He was alone there with the guns and the island wasn't that big. The "Swat" team arrived 1-2+ hours late. I think many people might have drowned. Alright wait. Wait. He was left to rampage for that much time? I was under the impression he had quickly rounded up a group by calling them over as a policeman. HOW WAS HE LEFT WITH SO MUCH TIME? Are you serious? He had up to TWO HOURS before "SWAT" arrived? Okay I've gone from remorseful to angry. Norway's police system is partially at blame here, sorry, maybe I'm speaking in anger, but that is downright unacceptable. With the bombings having just happened just prior, there should have been reaction teams or whatever you want to call them on standby. Should have been a within-minutes response. That would explain it, sure, but that does not by any means let Norway's police off the hook. Wow, I don't even know what to say, I'm gonna go ahead and stop and let more facts unravel before making any judgments.
I think the bomb had occupied alot of units and emergency calls. Since this happened 2 hours after the bomb exploded the police was still investigating the crime scene. Who would have EVER thought that another terrorist attack would occur on that small island.
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On July 23 2011 11:34 Eventh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 11:26 carloselcoco wrote:On July 23 2011 11:22 PanN wrote:On July 23 2011 11:18 carloselcoco wrote:I can assure you a Freemason would never do something like this. I can assure you if he is a Freemason expect him to end up dead within a year. Quit talking out your butt, a freemason is a person like anyone else, you can't just say "a freemason would NEVER do this" And you can't just assume he'll die because he's a freemason, the freemason oaths aren't meant to be taken literally, no freemason has business killing someone because they broke some codes, and if some freemason does kill him, he'll be punished and shunned as well. (I'm an ex master mason) What grade were you? Anders B Breivik was a grade I (Arbeidssom St. Johannes lærling) in 2008 http://www.tv2.no/nyheter/prosjekt/frimurer/losjer/soilene/medlem/80189
That is not Freemasonry, he was part of an unrelated group...
BTW, Freemasons, do not go on public (internet) saying they are Freemasons to everyone
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On July 23 2011 11:34 XiGua wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 11:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 23 2011 11:29 Grettin wrote:On July 23 2011 11:26 FallDownMarigold wrote:
I'm curious how the death toll rose so quickly from 10 to 80 at Utoya. Were police just waiting a while to confirm? Quite a sudden change! I seriously don't see how this man can get anything less than either execution or life behind solitary bars... even if Norway's capital punishment system doesn't currently include it Well, as someone said there was pretty much nowhere to run unless you started to swim. He was alone there with the guns and the island wasn't that big. The "Swat" team arrived 1-2+ hours late. I think many people might have drowned. Alright wait. Wait. He was left to rampage for that much time? I was under the impression he had quickly rounded up a group by calling them over as a policeman. HOW WAS HE LEFT WITH SO MUCH TIME? Are you serious? He had up to TWO HOURS before "SWAT" arrived? Okay I've gone from remorseful to angry. Norway's police system is partially at blame here, sorry, maybe I'm speaking in anger, but that is downright unacceptable. With the bombings having just happened just prior, there should have been reaction teams or whatever you want to call them on standby. Should have been a within-minutes response. That would explain it, sure, but that does not by any means let Norway's police off the hook. Wow, I don't even know what to say, I'm gonna go ahead and stop and let more facts unravel before making any judgments. I think the bomb had occupied alot of units and emergency calls. Since this happened 2 hours after the bomb exploded the police was still investigating the crime scene. Who would have EVER thought that another terrorist attack would occur on that small island.
Unacceptable. As soon as the first shot rang out - the first call to 9-11 dialed - armed response units should have been at the scene within minutes. There is no excuse here given what I see in front of me. Until more facts come forward I'm going to go ahead and say I'm very very disappointed in this ordeal. Lots of lives could have been saved.
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80 people dead, US CNN news station talking about Tupac and Biggy Smalls being gunned down...
what the flying fuck
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On July 23 2011 11:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 11:29 Grettin wrote:On July 23 2011 11:26 FallDownMarigold wrote:
I'm curious how the death toll rose so quickly from 10 to 80 at Utoya. Were police just waiting a while to confirm? Quite a sudden change! I seriously don't see how this man can get anything less than either execution or life behind solitary bars... even if Norway's capital punishment system doesn't currently include it Well, as someone said there was pretty much nowhere to run unless you started to swim. He was alone there with the guns and the island wasn't that big. The "Swat" team arrived 1-2+ hours late. I think many people might have drowned. Alright wait. Wait. He was left to rampage for that much time? I was under the impression he had quickly rounded up a group by calling them over as a policeman. HOW WAS HE LEFT WITH SO MUCH TIME? Are you serious? He had up to TWO HOURS before "SWAT" arrived? Okay I've gone from remorseful to angry. Norway's police system is partially at blame here, sorry, maybe I'm speaking in anger, but that is downright unacceptable. With the bombings having just happened just prior, there should have been reaction teams or whatever you want to call them on standby. Should have been a within-minutes response. That would explain it, sure, but that does not by any means let Norway's police off the hook. Wow, I don't even know what to say, I'm gonna go ahead and stop and let more facts unravel before making any judgments.
It's a 30-45 min drive from Oslo to get there. And it's on an island where so the police needs to take a boat to get there. They could prolly take an helicopter aswell but I would imagine that would have some risks aswell. Please do not talk out of your ass and ask for a withing minute response when that is clearly not possible. Im sure they did what they could as fast as they could. And also remember that ALOT of resources were tied up at the boming in Oslo.
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"According to sources, the TV 2 has talked with, the arrested belong to a right extreme environment in eastern and shall have recorded two weapons in its name: One machine gun and a Glock pistol.
Politiet: Minst 80 drepte på Utøya - Norge - NRK Nyheter"
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On July 23 2011 11:36 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 11:34 XiGua wrote:On July 23 2011 11:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 23 2011 11:29 Grettin wrote:On July 23 2011 11:26 FallDownMarigold wrote:
I'm curious how the death toll rose so quickly from 10 to 80 at Utoya. Were police just waiting a while to confirm? Quite a sudden change! I seriously don't see how this man can get anything less than either execution or life behind solitary bars... even if Norway's capital punishment system doesn't currently include it Well, as someone said there was pretty much nowhere to run unless you started to swim. He was alone there with the guns and the island wasn't that big. The "Swat" team arrived 1-2+ hours late. I think many people might have drowned. Alright wait. Wait. He was left to rampage for that much time? I was under the impression he had quickly rounded up a group by calling them over as a policeman. HOW WAS HE LEFT WITH SO MUCH TIME? Are you serious? He had up to TWO HOURS before "SWAT" arrived? Okay I've gone from remorseful to angry. Norway's police system is partially at blame here, sorry, maybe I'm speaking in anger, but that is downright unacceptable. With the bombings having just happened just prior, there should have been reaction teams or whatever you want to call them on standby. Should have been a within-minutes response. That would explain it, sure, but that does not by any means let Norway's police off the hook. Wow, I don't even know what to say, I'm gonna go ahead and stop and let more facts unravel before making any judgments. I think the bomb had occupied alot of units and emergency calls. Since this happened 2 hours after the bomb exploded the police was still investigating the crime scene. Who would have EVER thought that another terrorist attack would occur on that small island. Unacceptable. As soon as the first shot rang out - the first call to 9-11 dialed - armed response units should have been at the scene within minutes. There is no excuse here given what I see in front of me. Until more facts come forward I'm going to go ahead and say I'm very very disappointed in this ordeal. Lots of lives could have been saved.
It was on an island. That ought to explain it.
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What happened was:
1. He blew up the place where the government work in the capital of Norway
2. He took his car and drove to Utøya
3. He was dressed as a cop and told the AUF(youth labor party) people that he was a cop that would explain what had happened in Oslo, and asked them to help him carry a big box to the room where he would tell them what happened
4. He opened the box and shot everyone he could.
The reason it took so long was before everybody was in Oslo, which is a long way from Utøya.
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On July 23 2011 11:35 carloselcoco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 11:34 Eventh wrote:On July 23 2011 11:26 carloselcoco wrote:On July 23 2011 11:22 PanN wrote:On July 23 2011 11:18 carloselcoco wrote:I can assure you a Freemason would never do something like this. I can assure you if he is a Freemason expect him to end up dead within a year. Quit talking out your butt, a freemason is a person like anyone else, you can't just say "a freemason would NEVER do this" And you can't just assume he'll die because he's a freemason, the freemason oaths aren't meant to be taken literally, no freemason has business killing someone because they broke some codes, and if some freemason does kill him, he'll be punished and shunned as well. (I'm an ex master mason) What grade were you? Anders B Breivik was a grade I (Arbeidssom St. Johannes lærling) in 2008 http://www.tv2.no/nyheter/prosjekt/frimurer/losjer/soilene/medlem/80189 That is not Freemasonry, he was part of an unrelated group... BTW, Freemasons, do not go on public (internet) saying they are Freemasons to everyone
In norway, that group is called Freemasons. There is not only one type, but several forms of freemasonry, with many million members together. But it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme, now does it.
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Right.
Let's settle some misconceptions about the Norwegian way of punishing criminals.
The maximum jail time for murder is 21 years.
However, you can be put into what we call "Forvaring".
Forvaring is basically the same as prison, but instead of being there as your punishment, you are deemed to dangerous to be put back into society.
This sentence can be up to 21 years.
When the sentence is almost up, the persons behavior and current situation will be reaccessed, and if he is deemed fit to go back to society, he will be let into society. If he is deemed unfit, he can be put into another 5 years of Forvaring. This process repeats until the person is either let back into society, or he dies.
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80 people atleast were killed out of 560.
If my calculations are correct thats 14% of the people that were on the Island died.
That's every 7th person shot.
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On July 23 2011 11:39 shabby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 11:35 carloselcoco wrote:On July 23 2011 11:34 Eventh wrote:On July 23 2011 11:26 carloselcoco wrote:On July 23 2011 11:22 PanN wrote:On July 23 2011 11:18 carloselcoco wrote:I can assure you a Freemason would never do something like this. I can assure you if he is a Freemason expect him to end up dead within a year. Quit talking out your butt, a freemason is a person like anyone else, you can't just say "a freemason would NEVER do this" And you can't just assume he'll die because he's a freemason, the freemason oaths aren't meant to be taken literally, no freemason has business killing someone because they broke some codes, and if some freemason does kill him, he'll be punished and shunned as well. (I'm an ex master mason) What grade were you? Anders B Breivik was a grade I (Arbeidssom St. Johannes lærling) in 2008 http://www.tv2.no/nyheter/prosjekt/frimurer/losjer/soilene/medlem/80189 That is not Freemasonry, he was part of an unrelated group... BTW, Freemasons, do not go on public (internet) saying they are Freemasons to everyone In norway, that group is called Freemasons. There is not only one type, but several forms of freemasonry, with many million members together. But it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme, now does it.
Tell that to ImFromPortugal plz...
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RIP. Can't even begin to think how many people just got their life ruined and scarred forever
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On July 23 2011 09:38 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 09:36 Sqq wrote:On July 23 2011 09:33 Weson wrote:
Norwegian media says that he is a member in a pistol shooting club. He has a lincenced rifle & a gun. He is in a gunrange club yes. Seriously what can you do against people like this? That's the biggest thing I hate about all this, even if Norway and the rest of us put the kind of restrictions/safeties as USA fx has, I think this still would've worked. The fucktard had this all just to fucking well planned
There is a very specific thing you can do against this. If a high enough percentage of a population carry firearms, these kinds of things are made impossible or at least reduced to as little death as possible. It would be like trying to commit a massacre at an NRA convention.
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