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Being a guy on t3h interwebs:
Get flamed
Get trolled
u jelly girlfags?
Just kidding, nice blog 
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On July 15 2011 03:56 Malyce wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 03:54 tofucake wrote:On July 15 2011 03:45 Malyce wrote:
I think there's something profoundly broken around the gaming society for girls to be treated the way they are. And I'm saying this as a guy.
Look at the options you have as a girl:
1) Hide the fact that you're a girl. This is just sick. Why would somebody have to hide who they friggen are to not get harassed? Because internet people are crazy? Seriously, people on the internet are the same as those on the street, just hiding under anonimity, thinking it's alright to troll on a girl they'd never approach in real life. It creats a bias in the gaming community. I never want to hide that I'm a dude, never want to hide that I'm Swiss, nor that I like pizza. So why would a girl have to hide her sex? That's just ridiculous.
2) Not hide the fact you're a girl, which leads to:
a - people thinking you're just plain stupid, good image for esports there
b - people thinking you're weak, good thing we still live on the 1800s! oh wait...I can only imagine how much of a pain it is when you just want to be yourself and every other day you get chevalresque treatement because your fragile little self must be preserved and protected.
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c - people getting a crush on you, seriously, when did gaming become a meat market? I'm very attractive, why don't I ever get asked out? Because I'm a dude and it seems that girls and homosexuals aren't as delusionnal as your average guy. Some of these crushes may be legitimate sure, but I'm quite sure the emo factor has a huge role to play.
d - people who just don't care, or at the very least don't treat you any differently than they would a girl IRL (for those who know what that means). I don't know if this is a majority of guys or not, but it definitely isn't enough.
Wanna respect women in esports? Easy, here's some basic advice:
- Don't go on about how good looking or not they are in every other thread. If you want to do that join a modeling forum (or a pr0n one if you're that desperate).
- Don't give them special treatement, they're gamers and human beings just like us (a revolutionnary discovery, I know!)
- Don't get your hopes up, there is a right place and a right time for everything, and SC2 isn't a dating site.
- For everything else treat her the way you would treat a normal human being.
I'm saying negate completely the fact that there are women and go on making crude and derogatory humour (I don't have the energy to fight that anyhow), just be civilised. Look at the options you have as a guy: 1) Hide the fact that you're a guy. Then you're bashed for being a fag and told you're awful and you should die etc 2) Don't hide the fact that you're a guy. Then you're bashed for being a fag and told you're awful and you should die etc The internet is a cold, dark place, especially in regards to gaming. There are a few places where people are generally nice, or at least aren't 12 year olds hopped up on hormones (most of TL). What the fuck do you expect? It's cliché but just look at the thread on SlayerS_Eve. Then look at any thread of any korean dude joining a new progaming team. Spot any difference?
Show me a thread about an unknown amateur gamer joining a Korean pro team.
In fact, show me an actual unknown amateur with no progaming history and tournament success that HAS joined a Korean pro team (there probably are a few, but I imagine 99% on TL hasn't the faintest idea who they are and would have to dig through TLPD for hours to find some).
I don't see the difference because there ARE NO articles about unknown amateur Korean players.
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On July 15 2011 04:27 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 04:23 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:20 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 15 2011 04:19 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:16 tofucake wrote:On July 15 2011 04:14 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:10 Malyce wrote:On July 15 2011 04:07 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:02 Malyce wrote:On July 15 2011 03:59 Dance. wrote:
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LOL this was in one of the links you posted. So true. So a dude looking for attention is a troll, and a girl is a whore? Smooth. Who the hell is looking for attention? I'm certainly not interested in yours. If I want attention, maybe I should blog about it. Tons of people are looking for attention. Look at all the trolls, the bloggers, the casters, the streamers, etc. In any case this isn't remotely related to the point I was making Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more? EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying. That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I see TL as an SC site, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL in a thread not relating. That's my attitude, I'm sure I'm not the only one. Apparently some of the mods don't agree with you. I was just warned yesterday by a mod for simply asking Riku why she posted an entire blog solely talking about her WoW issues. Yea? And some mods like to create artificial drama in Riku's blogs even against prominent translators of the community. I didn't say everyone agreed with me, but I can't be the only one. Why are you getting so defensive? Nobody cares if a few random TL people agree with you. If the modders don't agree, then nothing's going to happen.
Is this a trick to get me to say im not being defensive to prove that I am?
Im defending my attitude to tofucakes would attcked me for my "annoying attitude." id appreciate you not taking things out of context.
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I didn't attack you, I just said I found your attitude of "SC or gtfo" annoying.
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Riku please read this.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=243288
The more you go after the people calling you an attention whore, the more that they are going to believe you are an attention whore. I thought it was a great post until I started reading the comments. The more and more you and other people argued the more I believe them =/ I'd just let it be.
I played WoW for two years and it was never as bad as you made it out to be. Most of the girls were pretty chill. The ones that all complained like in your blog post were also the attention whoring ones. The ones that didn't give a shit were just like any other person.
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On July 15 2011 04:43 tofucake wrote:
I didn't attack you, I just said I found your attitude of "SC or gtfo" annoying.
Ok, well its more like "some sc or gtfo" if you want to be fair.
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On July 15 2011 04:19 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences. What? This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
What? "Taking advantage"?
I wanted to rant about it and I figured it would be a subject that TL would like to discuss (which seems to be true). How was I taking advantage of anything? If I posted this blog from a gender neutral tone, I would hope I would have the same debates (the ones not focused on me being a female). However, it is a pain in the ass to write without bias on a subject you are bias about and I hate writing in third person when I have personal experiences that help me show my point, because then I can't use them.
On July 15 2011 04:22 JingleHell wrote:
See, I think the issue here is that you're trying to get the best of both worlds. You want the benefits of being a known female gamer without the drawbacks.
You like attention. We all do. That's been done to death here. Nothing wrong with liking attention. But if you take advantage of your minority status (attractive female in a sea of males is definitely taking advantage of being in the minority), there WILL be people who dislike it. It isn't equal footing any more when you do that.
Do I think it's absolutely moronic that benefits or drawbacks exist? Absolutely. There should be no benefit or drawback. The fact is, it does happen. Since it does, and since people are really slow about changing in ways that would make them more reasonable, you are in a position where you have to pick.
If you want the benefits of being a known female in a majority single male group, you have to have thick skin. If you put yourself in the spotlight, at the forefront, to get that attention you like (like everyone else does), you have to be able to take what's going to come your way.
I'm a male. No, I don't have to hide that. But I also don't have to say it. Here's a better example. I'm an ex-soldier. I was in the US Army. That makes a lot of people hate me without any actual reason. You know what though? They can say what they want, I'll say something back, I'll laugh about it, they might piss me off, but I'll get under their skin too. But I didn't have to tell them. It's not hiding it at all. It's leaving the irrelevant baggage at the door.
My time in the Army has NOTHING to do with SC2. Your gender has NOTHING to do with SC2. If you bring it into things to get attention, you should be ready for the consequences. In other words, if you go about being an active part of the community without referencing being a female, you'll be on equal footing for getting attention.
You throw the female thing out there, it isn't equal footing anymore, but some of the attention just got negative. That's life, even if it is stupid.
I don't really care for the benefits. Certainly, it's nice knowing a number of people follow my blog, but I like to think they follow my blog because of what and how I write, not because I'm a woman.
As for you having been in the military, that isn't a huge trait about you. Being a female is something that effects every single waking moment of my life. I see things differently (literally), I think about things different, and I certainly have a very different perspective! Someone mentioned that I referred to myself as being feminine in my Minecraft blog post. I don't recall doing that, I certainly wasn't trying to, but I guess it just happened. Considering we use gendered terms very commonly, any blog mention my past would be fully of singular "they's" and "significant others," which would probably bring about just as much trolling. Also, if you would note, many people in my gender neutral blogs have referred to me as a "he" and I never, ever, ever correct them.
I perfectly understand your point, but I think you're wrong when it comes to applying it to gender. Speaking of which, I was in the US Army, too, and I haven't mentioned that in my blogs, have I? Undoubtedly, it would have the same "attention gaining" affects that mentioning I'm female does, but I have completed avoided it for the same reason you do.
On July 15 2011 04:25 Backpack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 04:19 tofucake wrote:On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences. What? This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender. Agreed. If you stop drawing attention to your gender, you will stop getting shit for it. I post negatively in some of your blogs and rate them low from time to time because I don't like them for various reasons, none of which is you being female. If you want to fit in, stop stereotyping yourself and accept the fact that there may be other reasons why people don't like you.
Wat. Just because I posted... this blog? No, seriously, this is the ONLY blog I have that focuses on my gender. Certainly, I have mentioned my gender in other blogs, but by no means has it been the main topic.
A man can casually mention his gender without a second thought, so why should I have people jump on my ass when I happen to mention I'm female while discussing a completely different topic?
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picture says a thousand words... she's hot!!!
to Riku: i don't know why people pester you online. oh wait, i'm annoying you right now. i guess the girl status really stands out; you can try abusing it - games are meant to be taken lightly anyways haha
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I don't think what you're experiencing is limited to the internet. You're going to run into a lot of the same views/reactions from people in the real world as well.
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On July 15 2011 04:47 Riku wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 04:19 tofucake wrote:On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences. What? This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender. What? "Taking advantage"? I wanted to rant about it and I figured it would be a subject that TL would like to discuss (which seems to be true). How was I taking advantage of anything? If I posted this blog from a gender neutral tone, I would hope I would have the same debates (the ones not focused on me being a female). However, it is a pain in the ass to write without bias on a subject you are bias about and I hate writing in third person when I have personal experiences that help me show my point, because then I can't use them. Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 04:22 JingleHell wrote:
See, I think the issue here is that you're trying to get the best of both worlds. You want the benefits of being a known female gamer without the drawbacks.
You like attention. We all do. That's been done to death here. Nothing wrong with liking attention. But if you take advantage of your minority status (attractive female in a sea of males is definitely taking advantage of being in the minority), there WILL be people who dislike it. It isn't equal footing any more when you do that.
Do I think it's absolutely moronic that benefits or drawbacks exist? Absolutely. There should be no benefit or drawback. The fact is, it does happen. Since it does, and since people are really slow about changing in ways that would make them more reasonable, you are in a position where you have to pick.
If you want the benefits of being a known female in a majority single male group, you have to have thick skin. If you put yourself in the spotlight, at the forefront, to get that attention you like (like everyone else does), you have to be able to take what's going to come your way.
I'm a male. No, I don't have to hide that. But I also don't have to say it. Here's a better example. I'm an ex-soldier. I was in the US Army. That makes a lot of people hate me without any actual reason. You know what though? They can say what they want, I'll say something back, I'll laugh about it, they might piss me off, but I'll get under their skin too. But I didn't have to tell them. It's not hiding it at all. It's leaving the irrelevant baggage at the door.
My time in the Army has NOTHING to do with SC2. Your gender has NOTHING to do with SC2. If you bring it into things to get attention, you should be ready for the consequences. In other words, if you go about being an active part of the community without referencing being a female, you'll be on equal footing for getting attention.
You throw the female thing out there, it isn't equal footing anymore, but some of the attention just got negative. That's life, even if it is stupid. I don't really care for the benefits. Certainly, it's nice knowing a number of people follow my blog, but I like to think they follow my blog because of what and how I write, not because I'm a woman. As for you having been in the military, that isn't a huge trait about you. Being a female is something that effects every single waking moment of my life. I see things differently (literally), I think about things different, and I certainly have a very different perspective! Someone mentioned that I referred to myself as being feminine in my Minecraft blog post. I don't recall doing that, I certainly wasn't trying to, but I guess it just happened. Considering we use gendered terms very commonly, any blog mention my past would be fully of singular "they's" and "significant others," which would probably bring about just as much trolling. Also, if you would note, many people in my gender neutral blogs have referred to me as a "he" and I never, ever, ever correct them. I perfectly understand your point, but I think you're wrong when it comes to applying it to gender. Speaking of which, I was in the US Army, too, and I haven't mentioned that in my blogs, have I? Undoubtedly, it would have the same "attention gaining" affects that mentioning I'm female does, but I have completed avoided it for the same reason you do. Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 04:25 Backpack wrote:On July 15 2011 04:19 tofucake wrote:On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences. What? This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender. Agreed. If you stop drawing attention to your gender, you will stop getting shit for it. I post negatively in some of your blogs and rate them low from time to time because I don't like them for various reasons, none of which is you being female. If you want to fit in, stop stereotyping yourself and accept the fact that there may be other reasons why people don't like you. Wat. Just because I posted... this blog? No, seriously, this is the ONLY blog I have that focuses on my gender. Certainly, I have mentioned my gender in other blogs, but by no means has it been the main topic. A man can casually mention his gender without a second thought, so why should I have people jump on my ass when I happen to mention I'm female while discussing a completely different topic?
First, yes: taking advantage. If you weren't a girl, this blog wouldn't exist and neither would the discussion. But you are a girl, and you've made this blog, and now discussion happens. It's been surprisingly civil so far, and I've enjoyed it, but the fact is that the mere fact that you are a girl and this blog is about that fact means you are taking advantage of your gender.
Second, Jingle was more talking about the phenomenon of being one thing, then stating a fact about yourself, and instantly having people view you differently ("OMG YOU KILL PEOPLE YOU'RE AN EVIL BASTARD AND WE ARE GOING TO PROTEST YOUR FUNERAL WHEN YOU DIE SCUM" etc) for no other reason than X.
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Lets just say posting a pic counts to focusing on your gender in a blog...how many is that now?
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On July 15 2011 04:41 Dance. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 04:27 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 15 2011 04:23 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:20 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 15 2011 04:19 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:16 tofucake wrote:On July 15 2011 04:14 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:10 Malyce wrote:On July 15 2011 04:07 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:02 Malyce wrote:
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So a dude looking for attention is a troll, and a girl is a whore?
Smooth. Who the hell is looking for attention? I'm certainly not interested in yours. If I want attention, maybe I should blog about it. Tons of people are looking for attention. Look at all the trolls, the bloggers, the casters, the streamers, etc. In any case this isn't remotely related to the point I was making Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more? EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying. That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I see TL as an SC site, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL in a thread not relating. That's my attitude, I'm sure I'm not the only one. Apparently some of the mods don't agree with you. I was just warned yesterday by a mod for simply asking Riku why she posted an entire blog solely talking about her WoW issues. Yea? And some mods like to create artificial drama in Riku's blogs even against prominent translators of the community. I didn't say everyone agreed with me, but I can't be the only one. Why are you getting so defensive? Nobody cares if a few random TL people agree with you. If the modders don't agree, then nothing's going to happen. Is this a trick to get me to say im not being defensive to prove that I am? Im defending my attitude to tofucakes would attcked me for my "annoying attitude." id appreciate you not taking things out of context.
No, it's not a trick. You seriously are getting defensive and it's strange. I'm not taking anything out of context. Your attitude is one that is warn-worthy according to some of the mods. I'm just letting you know that because it happened to me. AKA I hold a similar idea to yours and was warned for it. You responded to my information by getting defensive.
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On July 15 2011 04:43 McKTenor13 wrote:Riku please read this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=243288The more you go after the people calling you an attention whore, the more that they are going to believe you are an attention whore. I thought it was a great post until I started reading the comments. The more and more you and other people argued the more I believe them =/ I'd just let it be. I played WoW for two years and it was never as bad as you made it out to be. Most of the girls were pretty chill. The ones that all complained like in your blog post were also the attention whoring ones. The ones that didn't give a shit were just like any other person.
I think you completely misunderstood. I said I had no issues in WoW other than a few small incidents. In fact, I tried to focus on how I wasn't given any priority when it came to video games.
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I'm starting to wonder if I'm a really bad writer and can't get my point across or if people aren't really reading my posts.
On July 15 2011 04:45 Dance. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 04:43 tofucake wrote:
I didn't attack you, I just said I found your attitude of "SC or gtfo" annoying. Ok, well its more like "some sc or gtfo" if you want to be fair.
Read my previous blog.
On July 15 2011 04:48 IzieBoy wrote:
picture says a thousand words... she's hot!!!
to Riku: i don't know why people pester you online. oh wait, i'm annoying you right now. i guess the girl status really stands out; you can try abusing it - games are meant to be taken lightly anyways haha
Oh, fuck, I hate that picture. Please remove it. I don't find it flattering and I really don't care for people to be distracted from the topic by it.
:'(
And I don't want to abuse it! I like being competitive! There is no fun in the competition if you have an unfair advantage!
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On July 15 2011 04:52 Dance. wrote:
Lets just say posting a pic counts to focusing on your gender in a blog...how many is that now?
6 of my 56 blogs have a picture of myself in them.
One of those was because pictures were demanded for the vacation I took.
So that would be 5 out of 56 blogs + this blog, so 6 out of 56.
Though I don't see how posting pictures of a vacation that I happen to be in is any more focusing on my gender than males who do the exact same thing and never receive any comment towards their gender.
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On July 15 2011 04:53 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 04:41 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:27 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 15 2011 04:23 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:20 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 15 2011 04:19 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:16 tofucake wrote:On July 15 2011 04:14 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:10 Malyce wrote:On July 15 2011 04:07 Dance. wrote:
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Who the hell is looking for attention? I'm certainly not interested in yours. If I want attention, maybe I should blog about it. Tons of people are looking for attention. Look at all the trolls, the bloggers, the casters, the streamers, etc. In any case this isn't remotely related to the point I was making Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more? EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying. That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I see TL as an SC site, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL in a thread not relating. That's my attitude, I'm sure I'm not the only one. Apparently some of the mods don't agree with you. I was just warned yesterday by a mod for simply asking Riku why she posted an entire blog solely talking about her WoW issues. Yea? And some mods like to create artificial drama in Riku's blogs even against prominent translators of the community. I didn't say everyone agreed with me, but I can't be the only one. Why are you getting so defensive? Nobody cares if a few random TL people agree with you. If the modders don't agree, then nothing's going to happen. Is this a trick to get me to say im not being defensive to prove that I am? Im defending my attitude to tofucakes would attcked me for my "annoying attitude." id appreciate you not taking things out of context. No, it's not a trick. You seriously are getting defensive and it's strange. I'm not taking anything out of context. Your attitude is one that is warn-worthy according to some of the mods. I'm just letting you know that because it happened to me. AKA I hold a similar idea to yours and was warned for it. You responded to my information by getting defensive.
If i come off as defensive in my post (which i dont understand) I assure you it is not because I fear a warn or ban. Right now I dont even know what Im talking about with you. Im sorry you got warned and im glad you have a similar attitude with me. Im sorry if I come off defensive, it was inadvertent. We cool?
To riku: i did read your blog an that was hardly a sc blog. More like a crush blog. Also 1blog out of 56 doesnt count imo...
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On July 15 2011 05:02 Dance. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 04:53 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 15 2011 04:41 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:27 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 15 2011 04:23 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:20 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 15 2011 04:19 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:16 tofucake wrote:On July 15 2011 04:14 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:10 Malyce wrote:
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Tons of people are looking for attention. Look at all the trolls, the bloggers, the casters, the streamers, etc.
In any case this isn't remotely related to the point I was making Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more? EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying. That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I see TL as an SC site, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL in a thread not relating. That's my attitude, I'm sure I'm not the only one. Apparently some of the mods don't agree with you. I was just warned yesterday by a mod for simply asking Riku why she posted an entire blog solely talking about her WoW issues. Yea? And some mods like to create artificial drama in Riku's blogs even against prominent translators of the community. I didn't say everyone agreed with me, but I can't be the only one. Why are you getting so defensive? Nobody cares if a few random TL people agree with you. If the modders don't agree, then nothing's going to happen. Is this a trick to get me to say im not being defensive to prove that I am? Im defending my attitude to tofucakes would attcked me for my "annoying attitude." id appreciate you not taking things out of context. No, it's not a trick. You seriously are getting defensive and it's strange. I'm not taking anything out of context. Your attitude is one that is warn-worthy according to some of the mods. I'm just letting you know that because it happened to me. AKA I hold a similar idea to yours and was warned for it. You responded to my information by getting defensive. If i come off as defensive in my post (which i dont understand) I assure you it is not because I fear a warn or ban. Right now I dont even know what Im talking about with you. Im sorry you got warned and im glad you have a similar attitude with me. Im sorry if I come off defensive, it was inadvertent. We cool?
Yah, I think I have feelings for u...
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I don't get why people are calling Riku out for being an "attention whore" and/or too focused on herself. I mean, this is the Blogs section. Blogs are ... supposed to be about yourself in some way, shape, or form?
Anyways, had a friend once who pretended to be female in a MMORPG game. A few days later, he completely understands why females typically a.) don't announce their gender and pretend to be guys and b.) typically don't play online games. My sister has pretended to be a guy online for years now and doesn't have any plans of stopping anytime soon.
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When people (guys) talk about "acting normal and you'll be fine", they imply act like a dude, because that is the norm in most games/gaming forums. But men and women express themselves differently; the way we talk, write, our body language - all of it. It doesn't matter much what country or culture you are from, you probably will express yourself more like the people from other cultures of your own sex than of the opposite sex in your own culture. So acting normal (not like a dude) on the Internet will stand out when the vast majority are teenage boys.
Teenagers of both genders are what they are, you can't really expect to change them or how they approach the opposite gender (hormons and all). Teen boys talk the same way about girls in their highschools as they do on the Internet. Teen girls as well. But they don't talk to the other gender the same way on the Internet. Eventually, most of them will grow up and get a different perspective, however some will stay the same. But since TL is stocked with teenage boys, this is what you get unfortunately. For ever veteran user that gets a kid or turn 30, there's 10000 new 14 year olds signing up.
One thing that can change however is the ratio of men and women - in gaming in general, and in gaming communities. I hope that will help a large amount to the general environment for girls in gaming but there are still lots and lots of teenage boys being teenage boys! You can take the silent route and pretend to be a dude but from this blog post (I've only read this one), I get the feeling that you would rather meet this problem head on and try discussing it. But discussion with teenagers of any gender is mostly pointless.
Finally, with the regards to the cosplay dress: It's no more revealing than "remember when MTV had music videos?", and to dress in one like it takes some metaphorical balls. Which fun considering the comments it got.
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On July 15 2011 05:06 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 05:02 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:53 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 15 2011 04:41 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:27 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 15 2011 04:23 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:20 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 15 2011 04:19 Dance. wrote:On July 15 2011 04:16 tofucake wrote:On July 15 2011 04:14 Dance. wrote:
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Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more?
EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying. That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I see TL as an SC site, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL in a thread not relating. That's my attitude, I'm sure I'm not the only one. Apparently some of the mods don't agree with you. I was just warned yesterday by a mod for simply asking Riku why she posted an entire blog solely talking about her WoW issues. Yea? And some mods like to create artificial drama in Riku's blogs even against prominent translators of the community. I didn't say everyone agreed with me, but I can't be the only one. Why are you getting so defensive? Nobody cares if a few random TL people agree with you. If the modders don't agree, then nothing's going to happen. Is this a trick to get me to say im not being defensive to prove that I am? Im defending my attitude to tofucakes would attcked me for my "annoying attitude." id appreciate you not taking things out of context. No, it's not a trick. You seriously are getting defensive and it's strange. I'm not taking anything out of context. Your attitude is one that is warn-worthy according to some of the mods. I'm just letting you know that because it happened to me. AKA I hold a similar idea to yours and was warned for it. You responded to my information by getting defensive. If i come off as defensive in my post (which i dont understand) I assure you it is not because I fear a warn or ban. Right now I dont even know what Im talking about with you. Im sorry you got warned and im glad you have a similar attitude with me. Im sorry if I come off defensive, it was inadvertent. We cool? Yah, I think I have feelings for u...
Much <3, my friend.
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On July 15 2011 04:51 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 04:47 Riku wrote:On July 15 2011 04:19 tofucake wrote:On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences. What? This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender. What? "Taking advantage"? I wanted to rant about it and I figured it would be a subject that TL would like to discuss (which seems to be true). How was I taking advantage of anything? If I posted this blog from a gender neutral tone, I would hope I would have the same debates (the ones not focused on me being a female). However, it is a pain in the ass to write without bias on a subject you are bias about and I hate writing in third person when I have personal experiences that help me show my point, because then I can't use them. On July 15 2011 04:22 JingleHell wrote:
See, I think the issue here is that you're trying to get the best of both worlds. You want the benefits of being a known female gamer without the drawbacks.
You like attention. We all do. That's been done to death here. Nothing wrong with liking attention. But if you take advantage of your minority status (attractive female in a sea of males is definitely taking advantage of being in the minority), there WILL be people who dislike it. It isn't equal footing any more when you do that.
Do I think it's absolutely moronic that benefits or drawbacks exist? Absolutely. There should be no benefit or drawback. The fact is, it does happen. Since it does, and since people are really slow about changing in ways that would make them more reasonable, you are in a position where you have to pick.
If you want the benefits of being a known female in a majority single male group, you have to have thick skin. If you put yourself in the spotlight, at the forefront, to get that attention you like (like everyone else does), you have to be able to take what's going to come your way.
I'm a male. No, I don't have to hide that. But I also don't have to say it. Here's a better example. I'm an ex-soldier. I was in the US Army. That makes a lot of people hate me without any actual reason. You know what though? They can say what they want, I'll say something back, I'll laugh about it, they might piss me off, but I'll get under their skin too. But I didn't have to tell them. It's not hiding it at all. It's leaving the irrelevant baggage at the door.
My time in the Army has NOTHING to do with SC2. Your gender has NOTHING to do with SC2. If you bring it into things to get attention, you should be ready for the consequences. In other words, if you go about being an active part of the community without referencing being a female, you'll be on equal footing for getting attention.
You throw the female thing out there, it isn't equal footing anymore, but some of the attention just got negative. That's life, even if it is stupid. I don't really care for the benefits. Certainly, it's nice knowing a number of people follow my blog, but I like to think they follow my blog because of what and how I write, not because I'm a woman. As for you having been in the military, that isn't a huge trait about you. Being a female is something that effects every single waking moment of my life. I see things differently (literally), I think about things different, and I certainly have a very different perspective! Someone mentioned that I referred to myself as being feminine in my Minecraft blog post. I don't recall doing that, I certainly wasn't trying to, but I guess it just happened. Considering we use gendered terms very commonly, any blog mention my past would be fully of singular "they's" and "significant others," which would probably bring about just as much trolling. Also, if you would note, many people in my gender neutral blogs have referred to me as a "he" and I never, ever, ever correct them. I perfectly understand your point, but I think you're wrong when it comes to applying it to gender. Speaking of which, I was in the US Army, too, and I haven't mentioned that in my blogs, have I? Undoubtedly, it would have the same "attention gaining" affects that mentioning I'm female does, but I have completed avoided it for the same reason you do. On July 15 2011 04:25 Backpack wrote:On July 15 2011 04:19 tofucake wrote:On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences. What? This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender. Agreed. If you stop drawing attention to your gender, you will stop getting shit for it. I post negatively in some of your blogs and rate them low from time to time because I don't like them for various reasons, none of which is you being female. If you want to fit in, stop stereotyping yourself and accept the fact that there may be other reasons why people don't like you. Wat. Just because I posted... this blog? No, seriously, this is the ONLY blog I have that focuses on my gender. Certainly, I have mentioned my gender in other blogs, but by no means has it been the main topic. A man can casually mention his gender without a second thought, so why should I have people jump on my ass when I happen to mention I'm female while discussing a completely different topic? First, yes: taking advantage. If you weren't a girl, this blog wouldn't exist and neither would the discussion. But you are a girl, and you've made this blog, and now discussion happens. It's been surprisingly civil so far, and I've enjoyed it, but the fact is that the mere fact that you are a girl and this blog is about that fact means you are taking advantage of your gender. Second, Jingle was more talking about the phenomenon of being one thing, then stating a fact about yourself, and instantly having people view you differently ("OMG YOU KILL PEOPLE YOU'RE AN EVIL BASTARD AND WE ARE GOING TO PROTEST YOUR FUNERAL WHEN YOU DIE SCUM" etc) for no other reason than X.
Thanks, Tofu, that was in fact my point. It's about relevance. My military time isn't relevant in this community, but if I bring it up, I instantly get judged. Multiple judgements, and the majority of them aren't true.
The difference, Riku, is that I hate BOTH polarized judgements. I'll bitch someone out for thanking me for what I did in Iraq. I hate that shit, and the ones thanking me think I was finding WMD's, and are convinced that since we found them (we didn't really) that taking down Hussein while we were there was a legitimate sort of move (not when we invade under a false premise).
If someone goes the other extreme, I'll rip them a new one, or knock them out if they do it in person. Why? Because they're wrong, and if they want to call me a baby-killer, they better be ready to find out what happens when you antagonize someone you think is that hostile.
The point is, you're perfectly content getting white-knight reactions, and people who follow your blog religiously (Hint, they're doing it because you're a female gamer and they're a step away from e-stalker), but you expect not to get the other reaction.
You can't have the best of both worlds. It's impossible. If you bring in an irrelevant and polarized detail about yourself, expect people on both sides to react to it.
So tell off your defenders, handle the flak you get yourself, and maybe people will think more of you.
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