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Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-19 08:06:12
July 04 2011 06:08 GMT
#1
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Are you a nerd?
Are you a slob?
Do you have a girly screen name on Team Liquid?

If you answered any of these questions, there's only one thing can salvage your life

BUFFCRAFT! HUAH!

You see, I know a lotta y'all wanna spread the word of e-sports, but how you gonna get taken seriously if you look like the sterotypical gaming nerd. Y'aint, t's how.

In order for our fandom to be taken seriously by today's materialist culture, we must be more than devoted, funny, and all around cool people. The Starcraft 2 fandom must be known o'er the land as the fandom with the

ROCK!

HARD!

ABS!


Huah!

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Rules


When you're a real man (or real woman, as they case may be. Muscles are not a patriarchy, they're a pec-riachry), you make your own rules. Here's what they are:

1. You gotta ladder, bro. How you gonna be taken serious as a Starcraft 2 player if you don't ladder. That's common sense.
2. When you win a game, reward yourself by doing a manly act of your choice. Flex! Punch something! Headbutt a tree! What matters is that you stay pumped
3. But when you LOOOOOSE, that's when you need to earn back the right to play.
3a. If you lose a macro game, you need to do 10 crunches OR 10 jumping jacks OR ten push-ups
3b. If you lose to cheese, you need to do 25 crunches, jumping jacks, OR push-ups
3c. If you yourself are the cheeser and still you lose, you must do 30 crunches, jumping jacks, or push-ups
4. After payin' your dues, you can rest if you feel you feel you need to. Play when you're ready, don't actually hurt yourself. We don't judge you...out loud.
5. If you wanna keep track of your weight-loss and share the results with the thread, fucking go for it, bro. If you want to keep it to yourself, that is also dude. The goal is self-improvement through self-indudement.
6. Buffcraft is not a substitute for an actual exercise regime. I'm not a doctah. Go see one before starting this program if you feel the need, due a medical condition, pregnancy, or anything like that.

Remember, the most important rule is to get a little healthier and manlier (or womanlier!) while having fun playing Starcraft 2. Anything in accordance with that rule is not only allowed, but encouraged. You think you can have more fun adding "flex and then yell" at 50 food in your build order. Fucking do it. You wanna ladder dressed as David Coverdale from the band Whitesnake? Huah!

And if you get flex and crunch your way to Masters, then you're just goddamn winning at everything.


EDITED:

A lot of y'all in the thread thing that the Buffcraft regime is insufficiently masculine. I'm proud of you for recognizing that more can be done. You wanna participate, and you think you can handle MORE than the vanilla pansy-ass version of Buffcraft. Post your alternative regimen in the thread, and keep us updated as you step up further. But remember, lying causes your secondary sexual organs to shrink to the size of raisins. And nobody likes raisins.

Ribbon
Win: Having crushed my enemy and seeing him driven before me, I imagine the lamentations of his women.
Lose a macro game: 25 crunches. 25 jumping jacks
Lose to cheese: 25 crunches, 25 jumping jacks, 10 push-ups
Fail at committing cheese: 25 crunches, 25 jumping jacks, 20 push-ups. However, Ribbon does not cheese, and thus never has to face this punishment.
MagnusHyperion
Profile Joined August 2010
United States288 Posts
July 04 2011 06:11 GMT
#2
This is an awesome idea! Sign me up :D

To be fair though, I already take breaks after games (loses/wins) to exercise.
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Uzsibox
Profile Joined June 2011
Hungary34 Posts
July 04 2011 06:13 GMT
#3
HUAH,
I like this motion.
JohnnyBlaze420
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia814 Posts
July 04 2011 06:14 GMT
#4
haha this is awesome
.lets get weird
SageFantasma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States383 Posts
July 04 2011 06:15 GMT
#5
Fucking awesome idea for a thread. This has been just awesome enough to cause me to take part! +1 for the Buffcraft fandom!

HUAH.
slicknav
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
July 04 2011 06:16 GMT
#6
If I lose I generally prefer to eat some chips, drink some non-diet soda, than smoke a cigarette, but I guess I could give working out a try.
blah blah blah...
KillerPlague
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1386 Posts
July 04 2011 06:16 GMT
#7
i support this message.
Side 1: Why no dominant players with 90% win ratio Side 2: Nerf Side 1
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
July 04 2011 06:19 GMT
#8
Great thread! I'm gonna do this when I ladder today
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
July 04 2011 06:20 GMT
#9
This could actually be pretty useful! :D
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
July 04 2011 06:22 GMT
#10
Huah! genius idea. I need to work out anyways, Starcraft has been taking up all my time
Fiendish
Profile Joined April 2010
United States210 Posts
July 04 2011 06:22 GMT
#11
this is a great idea!
BearStorm
Profile Joined September 2010
United States795 Posts
July 04 2011 06:22 GMT
#12
I think the jumping jack penalty should be greater than the crunches and crunches should be greater than push-ups. I mean lets be honest, 10 jumping jacks or 10 crunches aren't really going to do anything
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
July 04 2011 07:17 GMT
#13
I do this to take out my anger at losing. ^^
AngryFarmer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States560 Posts
July 04 2011 07:19 GMT
#14
Yess i wanna get buff! too much sc in my life haha
NExt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1651 Posts
July 04 2011 07:20 GMT
#15
Headbutt a tree!


GODLIKE !
Waiting for Protoss Jesus
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
July 04 2011 07:20 GMT
#16
I'm so doing this. I used to be boss at pushups but now I can't do them for crap. And it will be 25 pushups/crunches minimum. 10 is for pansies.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
FrodaN
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
754 Posts
July 04 2011 07:21 GMT
#17
Awesome! I generally did this over break since I was pigging out. If I won a game, I did 15. If I lost, I did 20. If I tried to cheese and fail, I repped out.
onlinerobbe
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany547 Posts
July 04 2011 07:23 GMT
#18
so good :D
reading this starts off my day in a good way
HUAAAH
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AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
July 04 2011 07:25 GMT
#19
7. Punch your mom when she tells you to stop playing. HUAH!
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
July 04 2011 07:28 GMT
#20
just fyi, you wont lose (much) weight or get a six pack by doing crunches :p
gl to all of you though!
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
July 04 2011 07:30 GMT
#21
I support this movement. Time to go lose to some cheese just so I can do thirty crunches and pushups (or at least that's my excuse).
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Slago
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada726 Posts
July 04 2011 07:36 GMT
#22
this is a great idea, not gonna get you in shape, but definately a fun idea, instead of drinking games while playing, I'll workout
I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum and I'm all out of... ah forget it
HuskyMUDKIPZ
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
228 Posts
July 04 2011 07:38 GMT
#23
This seems like a very good idea. BUFFCRAFT
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
July 04 2011 07:40 GMT
#24
lols, every time I lose I might actually do this instead of slamming my fist on the desk :o!
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 04 2011 07:43 GMT
#25
I'm going to be both tired physically and mentally D:
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
edc
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States666 Posts
July 04 2011 07:43 GMT
#26
This is good. However, a better way to develop arm strength is to do at least one set of your best at lifting weights a day. You should do this if you lose three times in a row :p.
“There are two kinds of people in this world, those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.” - Clint Eastwood
Stropheum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1124 Posts
July 04 2011 07:44 GMT
#27
Who else thought this said "buttcraft"?
Stropheum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1124 Posts
July 04 2011 07:45 GMT
#28
I will commit myself to this. I pledge to be a hunk of rock hard gaming man muscle
ChapatiyaqPTSM
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1887 Posts
July 04 2011 07:48 GMT
#29
After seeing the first picture and reading the first lines, I was thinking, "Another garbage thread!"
But the end really saved it for me, lol.
I don't know if I want to headbutt a tree though! Good job!
LiquipediaBoy, these pretzels are makin' me thirsty.
Jimbooo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
203 Posts
July 04 2011 07:50 GMT
#30
I was laughing the whole time reading this, prolly going to start doing it. lmaoo

HUAH!
Boony
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia87 Posts
July 04 2011 07:51 GMT
#31
I am in. With the way I have been playing lately I will be ripped in no time.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 08:02:31
July 04 2011 07:54 GMT
#32
An unexpected but actually kind of awesome kind effect of this is that I went on an winning streak immediately after posting, and starting getting annoyed by it, so I was actually a little bit happy when I lost, because I got to do the 25 crunches I'd been pumped for :D

If you think the numbers are too low, you're free to increase them as appropriate. I imagine if I get in shape I'll be doing 20 loss/50 loss to cheese instead of 10/25. Pick a number that's enough to be challenging for you. The numbers I posted are kind of a floor. They're for the boys, not the men (or the girls, not the women. Sexist flexing isn't cool, kids. It's not cool the way drugs aren't cool)
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 07:59:21
July 04 2011 07:58 GMT
#33
considering how much i play and how bad I am at stopping cheese, I'm probably gonna look like the pic in the OP if i stick to this

On July 04 2011 16:44 Stropheum wrote:
Who else thought this said "buttcraft"?


Who else just imagined TotalBiscuit saying "Welcome to Buttcraaaaaaaaaft!"
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 04 2011 08:16 GMT
#34
No "Can you feel it, Hulk Hogan?" jokes? We fail!
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
July 04 2011 08:22 GMT
#35
Is there a good Build Order to maximize crunches? Also, i bet cruncher will be joining us for this .
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
Ruyguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada988 Posts
July 04 2011 08:23 GMT
#36
[image loading]
I lose a lot.
OptimusYale
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1005 Posts
July 04 2011 08:28 GMT
#37
I'm jumping on board, after last nite of 4 consecutive losses I need to put myself through pain to claw myself back up!

CAN YOU FEEL THE PAIN!?!!

(Extra for me as a Z player:
Lose to Zerg: 10 extra Jacks
Lose to protoss: 10 extra pushups
Lose to Terran: 20 minute run
)
Socke
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany451 Posts
July 04 2011 08:35 GMT
#38
lol
i used to do this with pushups in wgtour ladder @ bw a long time ago.
worked really well for not losing and increasing bodily shape..
mb imma do that again if i start laddering much again^^
Neino
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway295 Posts
July 04 2011 08:53 GMT
#39
On July 04 2011 16:17 Indrium wrote:
I do this to take out my anger at losing. ^^


^


If you have a very frustrating loss, it's better to channel your anger into some pushups than just signing up for a new game, lose that one, and keep up the vicious circle.
stalking.d00m
Profile Joined December 2010
213 Posts
July 04 2011 09:44 GMT
#40
Be a Real Man! When your favorite player/team looses instead of being lame and posting an sad face go out, shatter windows of Shops and Burn cop cars!
For maximum manliness do this while drinking Mountain Dew and shouting at full capacity of your lung. Huah!

+ Show Spoiler +
May cause head injury, hand burns, glass splinters in eyes and an serious ass kicking by police.
<3 to all fellow gamers.
robih
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1086 Posts
July 04 2011 09:46 GMT
#41
wow that idea is so great
Bswhunter
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia954 Posts
July 04 2011 09:47 GMT
#42
Just remeber to eat your oatz boys
Stop browsing and do whatever it is you're supposed to do. TL will still be here when you get back
sky`380
Profile Joined January 2011
United States49 Posts
July 04 2011 09:49 GMT
#43
On July 04 2011 16:43 edc wrote:
This is good. However, a better way to develop arm strength is to do at least one set of your best at lifting weights a day. You should do this if you lose three times in a row :p.


Well, push-ups work mainly your chest with less focus on your shoulders, triceps and to a certain extent biceps. You should be more specific and name an exercise when giving advice on increasing "arm strength". "One set of your best at lifting weights" is vague and confusing. And in which part of your arm are you trying to develop strength? I doubt there are many exercises that work your entire arm.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
July 04 2011 09:51 GMT
#44
Sounds like a good idea, but doesn't help me a lot cause I never lose ever.
This is our town, scrub
Uzsibox
Profile Joined June 2011
Hungary34 Posts
July 04 2011 09:52 GMT
#45
i just won 6 games in a row. TIME TO GO THE GYM BITCHES.
HUAH
Uzsibox
Profile Joined June 2011
Hungary34 Posts
July 04 2011 09:53 GMT
#46
On July 04 2011 18:47 Bswhunter wrote:
Just remeber to eat your oatz boys

wasnt it squat more? :D
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10331 Posts
July 04 2011 09:54 GMT
#47
this is actually a good idea... physical discipline xD
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ImDrizzt
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway427 Posts
July 04 2011 09:54 GMT
#48
Got thumbs up from me too, lol, nice idea xD
Link to my serious blog, where I am serious and spreads truth, knowledge and "serious" stuff: http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=982066
ImDrizzt
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway427 Posts
July 04 2011 09:54 GMT
#49
I once had this idea I had to masturbate each time I lost, but then it got all sore and started to flass, so gave that idea up pretty quickly.
Link to my serious blog, where I am serious and spreads truth, knowledge and "serious" stuff: http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=982066
seupac
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada148 Posts
July 04 2011 10:10 GMT
#50
before starcraft 2 i procrastinated working out by playing video games

i now find myself procrastinating laddering by working out, cleaning, even doing homework O_O
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
July 04 2011 10:13 GMT
#51
I had the same idea a few years back to do a few exercises whenever I died in Counterstrike Source. It turned out that
1) The game was too fast for that and the next round started too quickly to do much in between
2) Your mouse and keyboard control isn't too hot right after training your arms.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
July 04 2011 10:14 GMT
#52
Hahaha this is great. I want to do it when I get back to the US!
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TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
July 04 2011 10:21 GMT
#53
looking forward to the day when laddering on starcraft is as manly of a choice as going to the gym
Forever ZeNEX.
DrJarp
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany24 Posts
July 04 2011 10:24 GMT
#54
Awesome! I think I will give it a try in August, when I have finally time to play more than a game a day again! it's a nice combination of small work-out sessions and the (almost) best thing in the world - StarCraft.

1. Losing
2. Crunches/Push-Ups
3. Analyze Replay why you lost (while heart-beat and body in general calm again)

Huah!
"Protoss - the meaning of pain."
HyunA
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania362 Posts
July 04 2011 10:29 GMT
#55
sign me up too !
HUAH
GreatOldOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
101 Posts
July 04 2011 10:34 GMT
#56
For some weird reason, I really want Incontrol to join this =)
Drium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States888 Posts
July 04 2011 10:40 GMT
#57
Hahaha. I love "you make your own rules! Here they are:"
KwanROLLLLLLLED
NoodleFish
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa198 Posts
July 04 2011 10:44 GMT
#58
haha this thread is full of win. Gonna do it to get me to diamond
"He accidentally attacked his own nexus with a probe. Then half way through the game, poof! No more nexus. That's gotta suck!"
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
July 04 2011 10:45 GMT
#59
Should make this as habit except the win celebration you suggested.
Seriously.
Snickersnee
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States241 Posts
July 04 2011 10:51 GMT
#60
I will be a manly man and do this!
I will be so ripped! /flex!
Had an idea that combines the intimate moment of delivering babies with Crazy Taxi last night. Can emotional arcade style gaming work?
Mortis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States217 Posts
July 04 2011 10:56 GMT
#61
I read the OP in Randy Savages voice, and then saw The Warrior.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
July 04 2011 10:59 GMT
#62
nice blog. I would rate it 3,5 out of 5 if it were in the correct section
keep it deep! @zulison
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
July 04 2011 11:06 GMT
#63
I already do this and its getting kind of pointless. I mean, how many black eyes can you physically give your girlfriend?

in all seriousness, although its written up strangley, its a good idea. Praising yourself after winning is really important imo, but i dont think beating yourself up after a loss is good. Just knowing what lost you the game is enough to know not to do it again
Special Endrey
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1929 Posts
July 04 2011 11:06 GMT
#64
i approve of this
This signature is ruining eSports - -Twitter: @SpecialEndrey
Turbo.Tactics
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany675 Posts
July 04 2011 11:09 GMT
#65
Nice read, great idea.... I'm in!
Zerg - because Browders sons hate 'em
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 04 2011 11:12 GMT
#66
ahahahuah!
I headbutt a tree to celebrate victory!
I got stardeezed with buffcraft!
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Tiazi
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands761 Posts
July 04 2011 11:23 GMT
#67
:D What a thread!
"A brilliant yet deluded man once said, 'Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos.' Gumiho is that agent of chaos." -monk
Fryght
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands254 Posts
July 04 2011 11:30 GMT
#68
The punishment is quite light still!

Do 30 crunches, 20 bodyweight squats, 15 push-ups, 10 dips, 5 pull-ups and 1m30s of plank!

I bet this is why Deezer and CombatEX are so 'manly', rofl!
Opera
Profile Joined March 2011
France469 Posts
July 04 2011 12:54 GMT
#69
Great idea. I start tonight !
It ain't over till it's over
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
July 04 2011 12:59 GMT
#70
I already do this haha. Well, at least the exercise-thingies, not the headbutting trees.

I find that it´s great to just do some pushups after a game and think about why you lost/why you won.
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
AXygnus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Portugal1008 Posts
July 04 2011 13:18 GMT
#71
Oh god, I'm laughing hard here >_>
"To create, to recreate. To create, to recreate. Down to the last seed, I stand with a dark stare. Still silent. Still frighteningly silent."
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
July 04 2011 13:21 GMT
#72
Is this a drinking game?
TW_Covenant
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark104 Posts
July 04 2011 13:22 GMT
#73
i can't stop ... laughing. thank you!
New to sc2 old AoE player.
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
July 04 2011 13:25 GMT
#74
iNcontrols secret is out! I'd so totally do this if I was an active player.
zJayy962
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1363 Posts
July 04 2011 15:16 GMT
#75
I lol'd at pregnancy. Never imagined a pregnant woman playing SC2 ahaha.

OT: Awesome idea, i might make it a little more intense but I could see myself doing this to add into my weekly routine.
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
July 04 2011 15:18 GMT
#76
I'm a double your requirements. I do 200 push ups a day -_- and thats just my morning wake up routine.
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Chronald
Profile Joined December 2009
United States619 Posts
July 04 2011 15:20 GMT
#77
I've been doing something like this for a while.

After a few games do some quick pylometrics, push ups, crunches, star jumps (my neighbors hate these).

I feel a ton better, while I'm not crazy buff or anything it definitely makes me feel like I'm not slobbing out all day.
Got that.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
July 04 2011 15:20 GMT
#78
I'm gonna do this! <3 <3 <3
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
July 04 2011 15:22 GMT
#79
Haha! so funny I think this is pretty hilarious. Plus its a way to get some more excercise in for the day.

8. Tell others about BUFFCRAFT and get'em on the BUFFCRAFTIN train!
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lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
July 04 2011 15:26 GMT
#80
haha awesome, I think I'll participate.

As I play quite a lot of games every day, this may really keep me in shape overtime... lol

Interesting idea good sir.
Magic is "just" magic until I get my hands on the source code.
Cenja
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden498 Posts
July 04 2011 15:27 GMT
#81
This requires a playlist with manly music to play when you ladder.
Fix it.
Now.
Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 15:29:53
July 04 2011 15:29 GMT
#82
I challenge Incontrol to do this while streaming ^^
especially headbutting a tree!
ENM_Alexb
Profile Joined July 2010
United States129 Posts
July 04 2011 15:29 GMT
#83
what if youre already buff?
Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
July 04 2011 15:34 GMT
#84
I've been doing this for a long time now, actually.

I only do exercises when I lose (happens often enough -_-)

Protoss is Dumbell Flys/Bench Press
Terran is Weighted Pushups
Zerg is a weighted crunches
beach beers buds beezies b-b-b-baaanelings
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
July 04 2011 15:36 GMT
#85
LOL this is awesome. I think I'm actually going to do this when I can play Sc2 again.

I need to figure out how to incorporate the HUAH!'s into my sessions as well. Perhaps yell it whenever I stim?
"Killer helped me feel better before coming to the arena. He told me to say that." - Bomber
Binabik
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany686 Posts
July 04 2011 15:37 GMT
#86
tires my arms to fast making me lose even more :D
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 04 2011 15:39 GMT
#87
On July 04 2011 16:28 Zafrumi wrote:
just fyi, you wont lose (much) weight or get a six pack by doing crunches :p
gl to all of you though!


Indeed, should be more like 10min jogging for each game you lost on the next day.
But yeah, great idea. ^^
qck
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom201 Posts
July 04 2011 15:50 GMT
#88
I've broken my hand in seven places from punching the wall too many times.
"Buffcraft!" will be hearing from my lawyers shortly.
"Who'd like a banger in the mouth? Oh, Christ, I forgot! Here in the States you call it a 'sausage' in the mouth." -- Tobias Fünke
dissonance21
Profile Joined October 2010
Philippines2 Posts
July 04 2011 16:04 GMT
#89
[image loading]


HUAH!
dmillz
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada270 Posts
July 04 2011 16:49 GMT
#90
Epic thread!
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 10:29:52
July 05 2011 10:29 GMT
#91
Within two days of starting buffcraft, I have hair on my chest.

Not even fucking joking. I didn't last week. Now I do. God only knows how, and it's freaking me out slightly.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
July 05 2011 10:31 GMT
#92
Haha. Awesome. The only issue is that I would be so sore from the amount that I lose...oh well. =)
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Saicam
Profile Joined July 2011
262 Posts
July 05 2011 10:32 GMT
#93
lmao i love this
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
July 05 2011 10:34 GMT
#94
lol man imagine a 10 loss streak 0.O not cool xD
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Hashmeister
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany238 Posts
July 05 2011 11:28 GMT
#95
Haha very funny and nice!! Thumbs up I'll defnitely give it a try lol
bit.ly/hashmeister
Vulcano
Profile Joined June 2011
United States147 Posts
July 05 2011 11:44 GMT
#96
On July 05 2011 00:36 Sarang wrote:
LOL this is awesome. I think I'm actually going to do this when I can play Sc2 again.

I need to figure out how to incorporate the HUAH!'s into my sessions as well. Perhaps yell it whenever I stim?


definitely gonna want to just go off on a good spree pretty much the whole time you are in combat

"Huah, Huah, Huah, Huah, !! (stim)huahhuahhuah !!"
someone set up us the bomb
Morta
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany557 Posts
July 05 2011 11:55 GMT
#97
I'am going to be Mr.Universe in NO TIME! :D
if i'am sad i stop being sad and play starcraft 2 instead.True Story.
Hashmeister
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany238 Posts
July 05 2011 12:08 GMT
#98
On July 05 2011 20:55 Morta wrote:
I'am going to be Mr.Universe in NO TIME! :D


lolz Maybe Arnold did that in the pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha stage of brood war
bit.ly/hashmeister
stalking.d00m
Profile Joined December 2010
213 Posts
July 05 2011 13:24 GMT
#99
Been simply using replays as an exercise aid for months. Download a bunch of replays. Load it and select spectator camera (by pressing 3,4,5...). Now just grab dumbbell and start pumping. Longer replays are obviously better for this (Hint: search for GoOdy).
Only other game that allowed auto follow of spec cam was War-III and to some extent auto-camera of CoH.
<3 to all fellow gamers.
mavsfan0041
Profile Joined February 2011
United States306 Posts
July 05 2011 13:31 GMT
#100
What happens if you lose to a one or two base all in? That's not really cheese but it's not really a macro game either.
R.I.P. CheckSix
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3358 Posts
July 05 2011 13:41 GMT
#101
awesome thread!
Next TL meet up will be manly!
Horang2 fan
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
July 05 2011 13:45 GMT
#102
Starting this tonight, I hope it goes as I'm expecting.
Jt4096
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia78 Posts
July 05 2011 14:03 GMT
#103
Brilliant!

HUAH!
I that am, am, therefore that that is, is.
Steeveholt
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada65 Posts
July 05 2011 14:30 GMT
#104
I actually run a km on the treadmill for every loss. I might add this too!
ManOnBoy
Profile Joined December 2010
37 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 14:36:17
July 05 2011 14:35 GMT
#105
Was this thread just a subliminal way to get all the fatties to stop whining about cheese? and to prevent people from doing cheese at the risk of extra situps?

hmm?

Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 05 2011 14:39 GMT
#106
hahaha good stuff. Couldn't hurt
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
iNViCiOUZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany364 Posts
July 05 2011 16:52 GMT
#107
Huargh!

I'm All-In
Slaytilost
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands968 Posts
July 05 2011 16:55 GMT
#108
Too bad i'm forced to do some `buffcraft` because of my carpal tunnel
Besides buffcrafting i also do some jugglecrafting, quite effective against painful wrist!
Hashmeister
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany238 Posts
July 05 2011 17:17 GMT
#109
On July 06 2011 01:55 Slaytilost wrote:
Too bad i'm forced to do some `buffcraft` because of my carpal tunnel
Besides buffcrafting i also do some jugglecrafting, quite effective against painful wrist!


Yeah you could like do crunches man. That shouldnt be too hard on your wrists and you could also do like wrist exercises and stuff
bit.ly/hashmeister
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
July 05 2011 18:00 GMT
#110
I will be following this regiment for Ladder Season 3!
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
Zhou
Profile Joined February 2009
United States832 Posts
July 05 2011 18:02 GMT
#111
I was actually planning to do this today! Haha, good job.
Ziktomini
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom377 Posts
July 05 2011 18:03 GMT
#112
essentially when you lose hurt yourself, and when you lose to cheese hurt yourself even more to condition yourself into winning. I could see why hurting yourself when losing to cheese could work lol.
MIKster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany333 Posts
July 05 2011 18:19 GMT
#113
EPIC! <3
And doing it right now!
Munich StarCraft & BarCraft | www.munich-starcraft.de
Hamster
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 18:22:36
July 05 2011 18:21 GMT
#114
i think i would be tired as hell if i overcommited to this especially losing to cheese one. xD play and workout sensibily kids!
Muggs
Profile Joined April 2010
United States148 Posts
July 05 2011 18:28 GMT
#115
I used to keep a 20 pound dumbbell next to me when I played cs. It was great for the rounds that ended a little too quickly.

I support the buff craft movement!
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
July 05 2011 18:59 GMT
#116
Haha Epic! I'm actually going to start doing this XD
terrOne
Profile Joined September 2009
Italy172 Posts
July 05 2011 19:05 GMT
#117
I actually did push-ups when I lost.

din't last long though :s
HeLL yeah!
Krallman
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden713 Posts
July 05 2011 19:05 GMT
#118
I am ripped already so no need
Im better than Stefan
stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
July 05 2011 19:11 GMT
#119
Well this might hurt your muscles if you don't warm up before hand so just a warning to anyone that does this. Really great way to encourage the sc2 community to stay active however.
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
July 05 2011 19:12 GMT
#120
I'll give it a try.

HUAH!
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
SgtRock
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada93 Posts
July 05 2011 19:13 GMT
#121
I'll be the Hulk in no time... I always lose...
CarbotAnimations
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 19:15:00
July 05 2011 19:13 GMT
#122
Haha this is fun, awesome idea. Reminds me of a summer where I played copious amounts of Gears of War and Halo 3 and while I was finding a match I'd do squats and push-ups to give myself the excuse that I was in fact exercising while playing video games so it was justifiable.
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
July 05 2011 19:15 GMT
#123
On July 04 2011 15:08 Ribbon wrote:
[

Are you a nerd?
Are you a slob?
Do you have a girly screen name on Team Liquid?

If you answered any of these questions, there's only one thing can salvage your life


It is ok man, with this workout game system, know one will notice your name anymore!
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
jarrydesque
Profile Joined November 2010
584 Posts
July 05 2011 19:20 GMT
#124
Made me think of:

FUCKING TEA!!

+ Show Spoiler +
#1 Kennigit fanboy/stalker
sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
July 05 2011 19:24 GMT
#125
LOL. Will do :D
anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
July 05 2011 19:26 GMT
#126
Doing jumping jacks instead of crunches/pushups is just a cop out. Make it so you have to do three times the amount of jumping jacks than crunches/pushups.

Tsk tsk.
gold on my wrist phone in my pocket
opm1s6
Profile Joined September 2010
United States42 Posts
July 05 2011 19:31 GMT
#127
Clearly, you stole this from Incontrol =oP
Xaoz
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany146 Posts
July 06 2011 02:29 GMT
#128
This is awesome :D HUAAAH!
Kinetick
Profile Joined October 2010
United States55 Posts
July 06 2011 02:42 GMT
#129
I actually might do this.
"What is they were lions from hell?" - Tasteless
hongo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
207 Posts
July 06 2011 02:48 GMT
#130
Hahaha, chea boiiii. If I wasn't already SHREDDED I'd get on this
imPERSONater
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1324 Posts
July 06 2011 02:49 GMT
#131
I def do this! But good idea to get the masses going
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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-06 02:51:46
July 06 2011 02:50 GMT
#132
TL could really use a fitness club. Although I'm not the right guy to organize it.

Edit: Oh shit nvm found it!
Reapher
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru131 Posts
July 06 2011 02:51 GMT
#133
This is genius !
I bet u coached Nada and the recently buff Idra :o
Loliser
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada58 Posts
July 06 2011 02:54 GMT
#134
amazing idea, im down :D
Temp0
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States165 Posts
July 06 2011 03:01 GMT
#135
Oh my lord, SIGN ME UP! I'm in it to win it!
SC2 and Video Game Songs! - http://youtube.com/temp0
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 06 2011 03:45 GMT
#136
Im gonna do this rofl
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svefnleysi
Profile Joined March 2011
Iceland623 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-06 03:54:47
July 06 2011 03:52 GMT
#137
Push-ups and crunches are to working out as random team games are to getting good at StarCraft.

They'll only do you good if you are completely untrained, and too much will just set you back.

Once you've trained for a bit, instead of crunches, jumping jacks and push-ups, make it:

Chin-ups
Handstand push-ups against the wall
L-sit for time
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
July 06 2011 03:54 GMT
#138
I bent my nails doing your exercises! *cry in extremely manly fashion*
CosmosXAM
Profile Joined April 2011
United States121 Posts
July 06 2011 03:59 GMT
#139
GGGRAAAHH- Tree-headbutting time!!!!
Laugh, and the world laughs with you; Cry, and you cry alone.
dryice135
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia35 Posts
July 06 2011 06:00 GMT
#140
Need some people to start streaming this stuff!
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 08 2011 07:42 GMT
#141
On July 06 2011 12:52 svefnleysi wrote:
Push-ups and crunches are to working out as random team games are to getting good at StarCraft.

They'll only do you good if you are completely untrained, and too much will just set you back.

Once you've trained for a bit, instead of crunches, jumping jacks and push-ups, make it:

Chin-ups
Handstand push-ups against the wall
L-sit for time


I'm starting to increase my own regimen a bit. I'm up to 25 crunches for a regular loss, and 25 crunches and ten push-ups for a cheese. I might add in 25 jumping jacks (25 crunch, 10 push-up, 25 jacks) for losing like a moron, because I feel silly doing jumping jacks and it's a good punishment for a silly loss.

Once you're in the habit of doing a little, it's actually not that hard to get in the habit of doing a little more. I think it's because the crunches are easy once you get used to them, so you want to add more to have it still feel like work.
rampd
Profile Joined August 2010
United States58 Posts
July 08 2011 08:09 GMT
#142
After losing many games next season I will be the LiquidHulk. Be prepared kennigit and hot bid.
juni11
Profile Joined November 2010
2 Posts
July 08 2011 08:11 GMT
#143
This is epic! :D
SonSon
Profile Joined June 2011
United States106 Posts
July 08 2011 08:12 GMT
#144
I'm definitely doing this!
ButtCraft
Profile Joined March 2011
United States114 Posts
July 09 2011 04:46 GMT
#145
Definitely didn't know there was an 8 page thread named after me
Sometimes you just gotta say fuck it, and swing for the fuckin fences
Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
July 09 2011 04:50 GMT
#146
You had me at:
5. If you wanna keep track of your weight-loss and share the results with the thread, fucking go for it, bro. If you want to keep it to yourself, that is also dude. The goal is self-improvement through self-indudement.
I'm totally in!
Teching to hive too quickly isn't just a risk: it's an ultrarisk
Br33zyy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States296 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 04:53:49
July 09 2011 04:53 GMT
#147
This thread has captured my MANLY heart.
+1!!
Ohhh lawd..
GTLdaily
Profile Joined December 2010
55 Posts
July 09 2011 04:59 GMT
#148
Tip for others participating.

Even though it may be harder, doing pushups on your knuckles has benefits to just doing them on your hands. Regular pushups do more for your shoulders but pushups on your knuckles helps strengthen your forearms and wrists. (Helpful for those long laddering sessions)
Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
July 12 2011 23:30 GMT
#149
I've been coming up with with Arnold style one-liners to say after I win. Though when I barely defend against some cheese, I usually end up just yelling "NOT IN MY HOUSSSSSE!"
Teching to hive too quickly isn't just a risk: it's an ultrarisk
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
July 12 2011 23:32 GMT
#150
On July 04 2011 16:20 NExt wrote:
Show nested quote +
Headbutt a tree!


GODLIKE !


GODMODE ACHIEVED *bumbs*
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
UnitedKronos
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
139 Posts
July 12 2011 23:39 GMT
#151
I looked at the title of the thread and had one idea
Came into the thread and got a completely different idea.
I'm totally gonna do this
Oh hai. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
CidO
Profile Joined June 2010
United States695 Posts
July 12 2011 23:39 GMT
#152
if it was manly to swoon, i'd be swooning. in that case i am inspired to ladder more. and if this could somehow be auto linked and referenced anytime someone creates a thread "i'm to afraid to ladder, what do you guys do" i'd be eternally happy. So

win = slam the shit out of my GG button
lose= slam the shit out of my body.
:P
quaffle
Profile Joined December 2010
United States249 Posts
July 13 2011 00:29 GMT
#153
RAGHHHHHHHHHH!!

BUFFCRAFT MAKES ME HARD LIKE WHEN I SEE WOMAN!! Buffcraft makes me honest like how woman wants me. DO BUFFCRAFT, I do.

Warning: Losing while cheesing speeds the process of buffing, but lowers morale, not recommended.
Your success is only measured by the strength of your competitors.
Marsupian
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands455 Posts
July 13 2011 00:48 GMT
#154
This is so epic. Someone needs to make a video diary BROHAN style!
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 00:59:01
July 13 2011 00:58 GMT
#155
On July 13 2011 08:30 Lobotomist wrote:
I've been coming up with with Arnold style one-liners to say after I win. Though when I barely defend against some cheese, I usually end up just yelling "NOT IN MY HOUSSSSSE!"


Q. What does Mister Freeze say when his SC2 game lags?
A. "Chill out!"
Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
July 16 2011 00:52 GMT
#156
On July 13 2011 09:58 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 08:30 Lobotomist wrote:
I've been coming up with with Arnold style one-liners to say after I win. Though when I barely defend against some cheese, I usually end up just yelling "NOT IN MY HOUSSSSSE!"


Q. What does Mister Freeze say when his SC2 game lags?
A. "Chill out!"
Here's some gettin pumped inspiration
[image loading]
Teching to hive too quickly isn't just a risk: it's an ultrarisk
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
July 16 2011 02:00 GMT
#157
Abs are for people with good genetics, and who conscientiously try to create and maintain a low bodyfat. Powerlifting is for the real men ;D
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
esc0bar
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada112 Posts
July 16 2011 02:03 GMT
#158
Or just hit the gym, wow.
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
July 16 2011 02:06 GMT
#159
On July 09 2011 13:46 ButtCraft wrote:
Definitely didn't know there was an 8 page thread named after me

Close, butt no cigar.

Season 3: Buffcraft.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 17 2011 02:53 GMT
#160
After an hour or two of Starcraft, I realized that I hadn't done my loss exercises for my three losses, so I did 75 crunches, 30 Jumping Jacks, and 10 pushups all at once. As I slowly increase my workload, it's starting to becoming a real workout! I'm just not sure if it's better to do all my exercises at once (where it's more of a workout) or in stages after each loss (where it's harder to talk myself out of it). Hm.

I suppose, though, that it'll be more of a moot point as I keep increasing my regimen.
Abstinence
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States328 Posts
July 17 2011 03:00 GMT
#161
LOL girly name. T_T
slam
Profile Joined May 2010
United States923 Posts
July 17 2011 05:42 GMT
#162
"that is also dude"

Priceless. I am sold.
I get it.
MagmaRam
Profile Joined October 2010
United States395 Posts
July 17 2011 06:36 GMT
#163
This is... actually a good idea for my fat ass. Let's see how this turns out.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
July 17 2011 08:19 GMT
#164
I responded badly to a drop, lost the Nexus in my main and half my mining probes (full saturation). I was so far behind, went into beastly macro mode. It was obvious that I lost so I figured it was pure Archon time.

Well, my opponent was retarded and decided to drop me a few times but I cleaned it up, I ended up maxing out on Archons and 1a'd to victory. He didn't leave until I killed absolutely everything and I was flexing and fistpumping the whole time.

Then I saw this thread. I shall proceed to follow the regime of Buffcraft. Better not lose.
A.J.
Profile Joined August 2010
United States209 Posts
July 17 2011 08:27 GMT
#165
I've been doing this for several years now, but for Call of Duty.

I do 30 push ups whenever i get lower than a 2 k/d.
Take a chance
tylermakesmusic
Profile Joined April 2011
United States122 Posts
July 17 2011 08:49 GMT
#166
This is actually a pretty awesome idea. I think I may start doing this once i get my computer back.
omnia vincit amor: et nos cedamus amori.
Astyanaxis
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States25 Posts
July 18 2011 15:38 GMT
#167
So is this supposed to be serious or parody? Because it treads the lines of both without committing to either and ends up adulterated by this non-commitment.

I would actually encourage a little exercise in between games. My system has been X number of exercise per win 2X number per loss.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 19 2011 07:59 GMT
#168
On July 19 2011 00:38 Astyanaxis wrote:
So is this supposed to be serious or parody? Because it treads the lines of both without committing to either and ends up adulterated by this non-commitment.


It's supposed to be silly, because silly = Fun. But I at least am actually doing it.

Could people who are particpating post what their current regimes are? I'd like to add it to the OP.

I'm up to 25 crunches and 25 jumping jacks per loss, and 25 crunches, 25 jumping jacks, and 10 push-ups for loss to cheese.
slam
Profile Joined May 2010
United States923 Posts
July 19 2011 10:12 GMT
#169
On July 19 2011 16:59 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 00:38 Astyanaxis wrote:
So is this supposed to be serious or parody? Because it treads the lines of both without committing to either and ends up adulterated by this non-commitment.


It's supposed to be silly, because silly = Fun. But I at least am actually doing it.

Could people who are particpating post what their current regimes are? I'd like to add it to the OP.

I'm up to 25 crunches and 25 jumping jacks per loss, and 25 crunches, 25 jumping jacks, and 10 push-ups for loss to cheese.

fyi, jumping jacks do literally next to nothing as far as exercise goes... one could also argue that they are very not badass either.

Jus' sayin'.
I get it.
ZaaaaaM
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1828 Posts
July 19 2011 10:13 GMT
#170
Been doing this for years.
no dude, the question
Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
July 22 2011 05:21 GMT
#171
I've been doing ten pushups for when I lose a macro game and 25 crunches when I lose to cheese. But when I win, and it's a good game, I play sick riffs on my guitar, and go "ohhhh yeaahhhhh!" So pumped all the time now.
Teching to hive too quickly isn't just a risk: it's an ultrarisk
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
July 22 2011 05:23 GMT
#172
This is why Incontrol is so ripped!
dafpoo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11 Posts
July 25 2011 09:10 GMT
#173
This is a great idea!
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