Discussion about 'Kaal International StarLeague'

On June 24 2011 03:23 Eywa- wrote:
They wont let me host either.
Now do I seem so extreme to have called for an iccup boycott?

On June 24 2011 03:39 OneTrickPony wrote:
Paladin is actually Geckoxp's smurf. (both Germans, notice how Geckxp is not on admin page.)
Iccup is fucking retarded. Power hungry hyenas.

iCCup wants to make very clear that this policy is in no way directed against the event itself or the SCBW community.

iCCup hopes that it has made its position clear, and that players understand iCCup simply does not wish to be involved in events hosted and/or organized by LRM)Game.

On June 24 2011 05:27 xarthaz wrote:
Dear god... Has Iccup gone totally mad O_O I though the server wanted to promote brood war, not kill it, T_T-

[07:55:32 PM] I've spoken to Cheloman and Mai-K, and they are opposed to any of your events being hosted on iCCup in the future ... I don't want to go against their wishes in this case

He is authorized to run the SCBW Division as he sees fit; thus nothing in this Division is 'over his head'.

On June 24 2011 05:28 supernovamaniac wrote:

Sometimes miscommunications/past grudge/disagreements can kill off the scene easily.

On June 24 2011 05:38 Baarn wrote:


Way I see it if Blizzard and Kespa, OGN, MBC can come to terms to keep broodwar alive then I don't see why these two groups can't do the same. Gotta lose ego at some point if this is the case.

On June 24 2011 05:40 supernovamaniac wrote:

In my opinion, it will take ages before it happens, especially given their history.

On June 24 2011 05:41 Baarn wrote:


Seems like they worked their difference out. I see Blizzard wallpaper in booths and on screen. It's good inspiration to do what's more important.

On June 24 2011 05:44 SiCkO_ wrote:


I think he mean Game and ICCup

On June 24 2011 05:45 ImbaTosS wrote:
Everyone so far in this thread can see it. I can see it. Stop the ridiculous arguing and trying to one-up and win the argument. Do not kill the chances of foreign BW to be something great, for this.

On June 24 2011 05:38 Baarn wrote:


Way I see it if Blizzard and Kespa, OGN, MBC can come to terms to keep broodwar alive then I don't see why these two groups can't do the same. Gotta lose ego at some point if this is the case.

On June 24 2011 05:51 Nevuk wrote:

Iccup's ego is far larger than all of those organizations.

On June 24 2011 05:37 Kiante wrote:
You say you have no intention of hurting the BW community.
Then you hurt the BW community. over something as silly as a little BM. You're not calling it a grudge, but it IS a grudge. get over yourselves and let this slide.
for broodwar

On June 24 2011 05:45 Baarn wrote:


Yeah I see that but I'm trying to make a point about another group that got over issues.

On June 24 2011 05:51 Brad` wrote:
Thanks. I was looking for a reason to never log on to the dump that is iccup and focus on Fish and looks like I finally have that reason.

Time to try to learn some korean

On June 24 2011 05:51 Baarn wrote:


Clearly.

Should the sponsors of ISL2 wish for their event to be hosted on a non-laggy server and supported by a professional and experienced Admin Team to root out abuse and cheating, they are cordially invited to contact iCCup.Paladin by Private Message on www.iccup.com or on The Abyss game server.

On June 24 2011 06:15 Sayle wrote:
An agreement has been reached. Please wait for an official statement.

On June 24 2011 06:15 Sayle wrote:
An agreement has been reached. Please wait for an official statement.

On June 24 2011 06:26 EchelonTee wrote:
=/ all the posts I ever see on foreign bw are pointless fighting and bickering.. I don't see how either party expects any new blood to ever want to try and jump into this community. I'm moderately interested in the ISL but seeing stuff like this is embarrassing, to say the least.

On June 24 2011 06:55 supernovamaniac wrote:
Unnecessary post. Let's leave it at that

In addition: Sayle I love you.

On June 24 2011 06:58 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:

It was addressed at all of the hatred towards iCCup and the general confusion in the OP's wording I worked on iCCup and it is a very international community in the staff community as well many of the staff have issues expressing themselves clearly in an english language post (I had to actually make some announcements/posts/pages more readable while I worked at iCCup so I know this from experience.) I was hoping to explain things a little bit more clearly because it has been an issue in the past and many people were trashing iCCup an organization that though I don't work for anymore I still respect.

On June 24 2011 07:58 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

? the tour going on ,stop provoced plz,.,,,

The agreement is so unfair for Game. He worked hard to organize the first ISL and he found the sponsors for a sizeable prize when everybody thought that the foreign BW scene was entirely dead, and now, it is forbidden to mention him? The Iccup administrators really fucked him over. I'm amazed and disgusted by so much pettiness.

On June 24 2011 08:07 XsebT wrote:
Contrary to popular belief (at least beliefs among the iccup staff) there are plenty of other servers to play on.
It's really sad that these iccup motherfuckers controlling this stuff now feel like heroes when they had nothing to with the creation of what actually makes iccup amazing.

On June 24 2011 08:33 masterbreti wrote:
Disclaimer: I am an iccup admin, but I do not speak for iccup in this post.


I think everyone is taking it like iccup wants a powergrab. This is not it at all.

Game has insulted iccup staff nemrous times both on tl and through other means. He has had multiple account banned due to it on iccup.

I'll give a little analogy.

You have a guest in you're home. He eats and takes whatever he wants. You are nice enough to let him stay because you don't want to start anything.

the guest always bitches about the house "well its a garbage shack,' he says. He always bitches about how you should be doing more to take care of him. He trashes you and is always insulting you.


Now he wants to have his friends come over, meanwhile in front of those friends he is saying how much of a crappy house you have.

What would you say to him?

Personally like most i would say to him if he doesn't like it, then don't be here, go somewhere else.

That is essentially what iccup is doing. the admins are being insulted and belittled by Game. Yet game wants to run events here? why would iccup let him? doesn't make much sense.

So yes if you look at it from Game's prospective. yes it is iccup being bastards and trying to ruin the fun. But from iccup position. Why would they let someone in who is insulting the server and the people who work hard to keep it going. looking at it from there makes total sense.
There is no reason that Game couldn't take isl2 to another server. But Game wated to use iccup.

to reuse the analogy. Game is wanting to use our house to have his party. And expects iccup staff to pick up the mess while he is insulting us about doing a bad job and also insulting the house.

On June 24 2011 08:40 Game wrote:


As I am not part of this tournament anymore, I think this warrants the idiot mark that all of your other posts get. But bro, can I come over and bring you more food than you had the means of producing on your own behalf? Please.

I like how you conveniently left out that iCCup also benefits from the free advertising and server population booms.

On June 24 2011 08:33 masterbreti wrote:
Disclaimer: I am an iccup admin, but I do not speak for iccup in this post.


I think everyone is taking it like iccup wants a powergrab. This is not it at all.

Game has insulted iccup staff nemrous times both on tl and through other means. He has had multiple account banned due to it on iccup.

I'll give a little analogy.

You have a guest in you're home. He eats and takes whatever he wants. You are nice enough to let him stay because you don't want to start anything.

the guest always bitches about the house "well its a garbage shack,' he says. He always bitches about how you should be doing more to take care of him. He trashes you and is always insulting you.


Now he wants to have his friends come over, meanwhile in front of those friends he is saying how much of a crappy house you have.

What would you say to him?

Personally like most i would say to him if he doesn't like it, then don't be here, go somewhere else.

That is essentially what iccup is doing. the admins are being insulted and belittled by Game. Yet game wants to run events here? why would iccup let him? doesn't make much sense.

So yes if you look at it from Game's prospective. yes it is iccup being bastards and trying to ruin the fun. But from iccup position. Why would they let someone in who is insulting the server and the people who work hard to keep it going. looking at it from there makes total sense.
There is no reason that Game couldn't take isl2 to another server. But Game wated to use iccup.

to reuse the analogy. Game is wanting to use our house to have his party. And expects iccup staff to pick up the mess while he is insulting us about doing a bad job and also insulting the house.

On June 24 2011 07:51 Ribbon wrote:
How does this affect other tournaments run by Game on ICCUP?

On June 24 2011 08:57 ThePaladin wrote:
I must say I am amused at people speaking about 'iCCup motherfuckers' and going out of their way to insult iCCup ... then expect to be welcome and respected on the very server they abuse.

About this:


I think the post made by the iCCup Management earlier in this thread answers this question.

On June 24 2011 08:54 legaton wrote:
The Iccup administrators were ready to shut it down and fuck over the entire foreign community, or at least all the people that were interested on a foreign tournament, just for some personal conflict? And you are explaining that it is perfectly fine for administrators to treat a server like their personal domain?

On June 24 2011 08:57 ThePaladin wrote:
About this:


I think the post made by the iCCup Management earlier in this thread answers this question.

On June 24 2011 09:02 Game wrote:


I have a SS of your confirmation for this tournament. SS, ironic.

On June 24 2011 09:06 ThePaladin wrote:


How is iCCup 'fucking over the entire foreign community' if there are so many servers to host events on?
Or is it maybe that iCCup has the only functioning Ladder outside of Korea, and a CAT Section?

Everybody is free to play on any server he wants to.
If you want to play on iCCup, then adhere to the (fair and valid-for-everybody) iCCup Rules: don't use hacks, and you won't be banned; don't BM players or staff members, and you won't be banned; don't insult the people who are spending their free time to keep the site and server up, and you are welcome ... nobody will bother you.
But: hack, BM or insult our volunteer staff and you will be removed.
Period.

On June 24 2011 05:25 Sayle wrote:
It sounds like we can go ahead with the event as long as Game is not officially involved. I'm discussing this now with various people. I will contact Paladin as soon as we have something sorted out.

On June 24 2011 09:30 dRaW wrote:



Precisely this, I don't see why anyone cares. We can still make a team and just have everyone make a different tag and not say it's for ISL, when it actually is. The actual qualification doesn't matter that much as long as every1 abides by the same ruling.

edit: wow I should read previous comments before I post, so is the latter stages of this tour still on west where game can run it... I am confused now O,o

On June 24 2011 09:57 SiCkO_ wrote:
Wow

This is pretty sad considering that ICCup basically hijacked Game's tournament that he worked hard to make worthwhile.

On June 24 2011 09:57 SiCkO_ wrote:
Wow

This is pretty sad considering that ICCup basically hijacked Game's tournament that he worked hard to make worthwhile.

On June 24 2011 10:52 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:


Yeah it's pretty crappy that iCCup spends hundreds of hours working to keep their service going for nothing on volunteer staff only. The amount of time required to even do the hiring on the volunteer staff is full time job worthy seeing as people join up realize it's too much work then quit immediately. Then when a major tournament uses their services they actually want their logo to be displayed and promoted without the admins trash talking them? SHOCKING!

All that hard work they do for nothing in return and then they want some recognition when the big sponsored league is using their services? Yeah really sad.

On June 24 2011 10:57 LML wrote:
They could put their own effort into setting something up and then put their logo up on that.
They already have their logo all over the place for what they are doing and maintaining, the PvPGN server and the website.

Obviously it's something these people do with passion and joy, otherwise they would quit their volunteering job, because that's how it works, so don't use that as an excuse, if they didn't want to do it, they wouldn't, nobody is forcing them.

edit: To your second post:
It always depends which admin you step upon. And getting banned again if an admin decided to dislike you is more than just easy with certain admins.

On June 24 2011 11:09 SiCkO_ wrote:


This wasn't about lack of recognition, this was about ICCup punishing a league for having an organizer who has had spats with volunteers (and from the looks of it, it wasn't as much spats about ICCup as it was personal, unrelated issues). ICCup could have simply been the big boy and be professional, but instead they decided to pick a fight over it in a petty way.

Was Game rude to your staff? Probably, though we will never know for sure. However, besides bruised egos, did he really damage you guys in any way? ICCup basically went to the rest of the ISL staff and said, it's either the tournament or him, giving them an agonizing decision over whether or not to proceed with a project they felt was very important or to basically kick out the guy who had given the most to the project. This isn't a "fair and reasonable response", this is a disgusting abuse of power that robs the community of someone who was genuinely interested in promoting Foreign Brood War.

On June 24 2011 08:33 masterbreti wrote:
Disclaimer: I am an iccup admin, but I do not speak for iccup in this post.


I think everyone is taking it like iccup wants a powergrab. This is not it at all.

Game has insulted iccup staff nemrous times both on tl and through other means. He has had multiple account banned due to it on iccup.

I'll give a little analogy.

You have a guest in you're home. He eats and takes whatever he wants. You are nice enough to let him stay because you don't want to start anything.

the guest always bitches about the house "well its a garbage shack,' he says. He always bitches about how you should be doing more to take care of him. He trashes you and is always insulting you.


Now he wants to have his friends come over, meanwhile in front of those friends he is saying how much of a crappy house you have.

What would you say to him?

Personally like most i would say to him if he doesn't like it, then don't be here, go somewhere else.

That is essentially what iccup is doing. the admins are being insulted and belittled by Game. Yet game wants to run events here? why would iccup let him? doesn't make much sense.

So yes if you look at it from Game's prospective. yes it is iccup being bastards and trying to ruin the fun. But from iccup position. Why would they let someone in who is insulting the server and the people who work hard to keep it going. looking at it from there makes total sense.
There is no reason that Game couldn't take isl2 to another server. But Game wated to use iccup.

to reuse the analogy. Game is wanting to use our house to have his party. And expects iccup staff to pick up the mess while he is insulting us about doing a bad job and also insulting the house.