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He ripped off paid subscribers (me included) from seeing Boxer.
I have no idea what happened, so I'll speak it for every player in a similar case related to the OP, I'd like to say that people pay for the show, if you don't deliver it then you are a bad professional, specially because it's not even "live", right? What was the excuse? No excuse? Even worst.
It's not about the results. For a similar matter I don't sympathize that much with Idra (even though his play is really good and I even watch his stream to learn things lol). It doesn't matter if you lost already, keep the show, give a good show, do your best, for us and use the time to test him and yourself. Giving up is one thing, stopping the show is another. If I will make an event and I have 13 decent players for 12 spots, then I wouldn't choose that player that ignores that part of the job is entertain the public (it's not just about winning).
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On June 09 2011 13:45 FutureArchon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 13:43 Dental Floss wrote:
Its a tough problem. Some players who are in a losing position and cannot advance are put into a weird spot; they really don't have an incentive to play their games. On the other-hand NASL puts out their broadcast schedule really far in advance and that creates expectations inside the community. There probably isn't a perfect solution to this issue.
Overall though I think NASL season 1 has been great and I'm really looking forward to season 2. I think they'll hammer this sort of thing out for next season. Grubby, QxC. Why do these people have the integrity to play out till the end?
They don't have jobs outside of just competitive play, unlike Painuser and Artosis.
Not saying its perfectly fine that they just disgarded NASL, but there is definitely a difference.
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painuser is a total boss, who cares... let nasl handle it
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On June 09 2011 13:43 Dental Floss wrote:
Its a tough problem. Some players who are in a losing position and cannot advance are put into a weird spot; they really don't have an incentive to play their games.
Doesn't mean they have to quit.
They can still have influence on who finishes 1st or 2nd.
I hope Painuser will be "sanctioned/disciplined/punished" by NASL for quitting.
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On June 09 2011 13:45 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 13:44 FutureArchon wrote:
He's saying he's sick now?
Why didn't he communicate that he couldn't play before. He was fine casting the IPL etc.
Based on just leaving without saying a word in everything he has been in, not showing any leadership when LZ gaming disbanded, you really have to question whether he is telling the truth in regards to his sickness. It's obvious you may be new here. It's LG, LZGamer is a player. He missed a match, if there was a thread every time someone missed a match like this in any tournament ever, oh god. He's obviously focusing his time in other directions and was out of the NASL running. It would have been cool to see him play but he is doing a lot of other big things for Starcraft II so I think that missed game can be excused....
My bad, brain fart.
It's not the fact that he missed a match, it's the fact that he missed AND he didn't tell anyone.
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NASL is a long tournament. Shit happens. leave him alone
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you dont even know the entire story. dont pretend like you are in a position to say anything.
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On June 09 2011 13:28 FutureArchon wrote:
This really destroys the integrity of Starcraft as it heads into mainstream.
Don't worry. It doesn't.
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On June 09 2011 13:49 KiWiKaKi wrote:
dude take a chill pill
<3
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Put your pitchforks down and chill, sir. Let the people who's job it is to take care of it take care of it, because the community and you only know a tiny fraction of what's actually going on and who said and did what.
Starting a new thread: "community action against people who call for inappropriate community action" brb
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Is this serious? You are taking this shit way too seriously.
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This is a ridiculous, ridiculous thread. Holy shit man.
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Is this more E-SPORTS drama?
The r/StarCraft incident was better.
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On June 09 2011 13:32 Boblhead wrote:
Some other people have shit to do, where sc2 isnt the first thing. Who knows he probably had better more personal stuff to take care of. And besides he has been in the community a top 100 player and deserverd the spot. Please take your rage elsewhere. Just because people don't show for matches doesnt mean they don't deserve it. plus its the last week of nasl.
You're being an apologist. I take "E-SPORTS" less and less serious each time stuff like this happens. Probably had better more personal stuff to take care of? Get real, its a PROFESSIONAL event, would you accept it if a basketball player just...didnt show up to the game? Its not acceptable and frankly just makes all this stuff seem so childish, highschoolish, amateurish, etc. People pay money and apologists excuse them for basically wasting their money, great idea.
At the end of the day, its not that big of a deal, but making up excuses to their benefit is pathetic and in no way helps the integrity of the "sport" at all.
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This is getting ridiculous. I was a big fan of painuser and I'm sad that he didn't finish the league, but trying to start crap against him is ridiculous. As said by Incontrol:
PainUser has dropped from the NASL. I spoke with him last week @ ITG. I told him as well that it would have been much better had he just told us.. essentially what I said on air. He understands and we are all good moving forward. No real need to keep discussing this. PainUser is a good guy and he didn't do anything malicious.. just didn't handle it optimally.
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Does he even consider himself a 'player' anymore? It seems like he is moving more away from trying to compete and more towards being a caster and a personality in the community.
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On June 09 2011 13:50 Alizee- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 13:32 Boblhead wrote:
Some other people have shit to do, where sc2 isnt the first thing. Who knows he probably had better more personal stuff to take care of. And besides he has been in the community a top 100 player and deserverd the spot. Please take your rage elsewhere. Just because people don't show for matches doesnt mean they don't deserve it. plus its the last week of nasl. You're being an apologist. I take "E-SPORTS" less and less serious each time stuff like this happens. Probably had better more personal stuff to take care of? Get real, its a PROFESSIONAL event, would you accept it if a basketball player just...didnt show up to the game? Its not acceptable and frankly just makes all this stuff seem so childish, highschoolish, amateurish, etc. People pay money and apologists excuse them for basically wasting their money, great idea. At the end of the day, its not that big of a deal, but making up excuses to their benefit is pathetic and in no way helps the integrity of the "sport" at all.
If someone didnt show up to a basketball game they'd not get paid, probably miss another game or two without pay and all would be good.... whats your point?
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On June 09 2011 13:50 Alizee- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 13:32 Boblhead wrote:
Some other people have shit to do, where sc2 isnt the first thing. Who knows he probably had better more personal stuff to take care of. And besides he has been in the community a top 100 player and deserverd the spot. Please take your rage elsewhere. Just because people don't show for matches doesnt mean they don't deserve it. plus its the last week of nasl. You're being an apologist. I take "E-SPORTS" less and less serious each time stuff like this happens. Probably had better more personal stuff to take care of? Get real, its a PROFESSIONAL event, would you accept it if a basketball player just...didnt show up to the game? Its not acceptable and frankly just makes all this stuff seem so childish, highschoolish, amateurish, etc. People pay money and apologists excuse them for basically wasting their money, great idea. At the end of the day, its not that big of a deal, but making up excuses to their benefit is pathetic and in no way helps the integrity of the "sport" at all.
Have you even read the thread?
He has lost the points. There is a cost associated with missing a game. Let NASL deal with it. As for being an "apologist" is anyone here saying that Painuser did the right thing?
No just that this is dealt with and we should all move on. There is a seat on the bus if you want it.
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On June 09 2011 13:49 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 13:28 FutureArchon wrote:
This really destroys the integrity of Starcraft as it heads into mainstream. Don't worry. It doesn't.
Thank you. I'm really getting annoyed by this argument.
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