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This isn't intended to be a troll thread, I'm simply creating this because I'm outraged over what PainUser has done and how no one has really done anything about it.
As most of us already know, PainUser decided to forfeit a match against Boxer without notifying any of the NASL officials. This really destroys the integrity of Starcraft as it heads into mainstream. Most of you probably already know that.
Notwithstanding the fact that Painuser took a spot in the NASL when there were seemingly more deserving players, my biggest issue is that the Starcraft community as a whole has done nothing. As of writing this, he's still featured in the Live User Streams, he's still on Inside the Game, and he's a main caster in one of the biggest SC2 tournaments running now (the IPL).
How could we ask someone with an apparent lack of integrity represent the community? DJWheat must surely know that there are other people with a better insight to the game that dropping Painuser would be the first step in showing that this community, doesn't stand for something like that. He ripped off paid subscribers (me included) from seeing Boxer.
Please tell me this behavior at least irks you a bit? There are much more deserving people out there than him based on his recent behavior. It is completely unacceptable.
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His punishment will probably be given out in the form that he won't get invited to as many tournaments in the future. Especially league based tournaments. He hurt his reputation by his actions.
He's cost himself a lot by not playing out the rest of his games.
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You really serious? You want the whole community to do something about a player's personal action? You're a little bit getting too involved with the game.
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Many of the players consider the NASL a joke and doesn't give the tournament respect stuff like this has been happening alot lately.
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I agree.
I also think that 3 (?) W.O. in a row for Artosis is pretty poor as a lot of people really look up to him 
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Incontrol has already posted that it has been handled, and the miscommunication has been settled. EVEN IF he were to have never told anyone at the NASL, you are going to take one mistake and ruin the man's career over it. Over one mistake...
Chill out buddy, grab a beer. At least give Painuser a little slack. We are all humans, and humans make mistakes.
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Some other people have shit to do, where sc2 isnt the first thing. Who knows he probably had better more personal stuff to take care of. And besides he has been in the community a top 100 player and deserverd the spot. Please take your rage elsewhere. Just because people don't show for matches doesnt mean they don't deserve it. plus its the last week of nasl.
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More a problem with the NASL than the players tbh.
Plus he's right about DTs and Banshees so i can never hate on the guy.
*high fives PainUser*
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If NASL was ever as good as GSL, I'd be with you, OP.
But... it's NASL, man.
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It's bullshit what artosis and painuser are doing to the nasl.
User was warned for this post
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CatsPajamas explained why he forfeited.
You are way over-reacting...
Edit: My previous comment before CatsPajamas explained things + Show Spoiler +I cite Naniwa as a redemption story.
Who knows Painuser may turn out to make a change like Naniwa. Nothing really to say about this other than it is disappointing.
He is getting punished with the forfeit and he may end up with a reputation if he does it again, but as above, you are taking this way too seriously.
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This is just overkill. Do you want people to take up the pitchforks and go for a witch hunt? Leave the issue to the NASL.
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Yay for a troll who posted just as PainUser starts to stream. I don't like the walkovers, but I can't do anything about them. It's been handled by the proper people, why beat a dead horse.
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I think you are overreacting a bit.
If he isn't willing to put forth the effort that NASL expects then he simply won't be invited back for Season 2. If this behaviour ends up extending to his other commitents such as Inside the Game then that's the problem of the other show hosts and it's up to them to decide what to do.
Players should be policed by their employers not their fans.
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Hey, just to give you guys a heads up, he has strep throat. I work with him 8 hours a day, and he's been very sick. Sorry he hasn't played up to your expectations.
EDIT: He also had to cancel his appearance on ITG and EGMC this week because of his illness.
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Someone has to give me a roadmap on how to ruin a SCII player because I have no idea how you actually rip people out of tournaments as a spectator.
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On June 09 2011 13:32 Carthac wrote:
Incontrol has already posted that it has been handled, and the miscommunication has been settled. EVEN IF he were to have never told anyone at the NASL, you are going to take one mistake and ruin the man's career over it. Over one mistake...
Chill out buddy, grab a beer. At least give Painuser a little slack. We are all humans, and humans make mistakes.
Well, to be fair it was more than one mistake. He didn't show up for like 3 weeks I think. But yeah boycotting him is kinda lol
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So what? It's NASL's issue. They did handle it. You want to chase him tared and feathered around town?
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I'm curious as to how much attention this would have got if it was against a player other than Boxer?
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It is funny how people think that artosis is not showing up, he still doesn't have internet at his house and HAS NOTIFIED the admins. Painuser, not so much.
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yeah srsly, he explained what he was doing. I mean.. who cares? I don't see any players giving a shit.
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On June 09 2011 13:36 CatsPajamas wrote:
Hey, just to give you guys a heads up, he has strep throat. I work with him 8 hours a day, and he's been very sick. Sorry he hasn't played up to your expectations.
EDIT: He also had to cancel his appearance on ITG and EGMC this week because of his illness.
Thanks mate!
Wish Painuser the best, hopefully he gets better soon.
Pity about the games.
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Good thing the OP isn't a representative of the Starcraft community.
"he missed a game, grab your torch and pitchfork RAAAAAAGE" :|
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On June 09 2011 13:36 CatsPajamas wrote:
Hey, just to give you guys a heads up, he has strep throat. I work with him 8 hours a day, and he's been very sick. Sorry he hasn't played up to your expectations.
Not sure him playing badly is the point, but that he basically quit a professional league.
That being said this thread is pointless. You can be upset about whatever you want, but using TL to form a witch hunt against one guy who plays Starcraft for a living is overboard, if not a little crazy.
Leave the policing to NASL, its their tournament. And realize professional Starcraft players are not United States congressman.
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On June 09 2011 13:37 Tektos wrote:
I'm curious as to how much attention this would have got if it was against a player other than Boxer?
Well, coming from someone who is an avid NASL watcher I'd say that this was the straw that broke the camel's back. People in the LR threads were complaining about him not showing up.
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On June 09 2011 13:36 CatsPajamas wrote:
Hey, just to give you guys a heads up, he has strep throat. I work with him 8 hours a day, and he's been very sick. Sorry he hasn't played up to your expectations.
EDIT: He also had to cancel his appearance on ITG and EGMC this week because of his illness.
How dare he get sick! He is not human, he is a Sc2 pro! Seriously though, even if he wasn't sick, it's his spot in the league and his decision alone to do what he wants with it.
p.s. Hope he gets better soon 
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People can dislike the NASL, to be honest I feel that it wasn't worth investing in. But it prides itself on being a step forward to making SC2 more mainstream. When I was at MLG Columbus, I was amazed by how many people were into the game. Can you really take SC2 seriously, which most pro gamers do, if stuff like this happens.
Artosis is apparently notifying NASL of the forfeits, it does make it a little disappointing however he isn't wasting anyone's time. Except those who watch the NASL only to find out it's going to be a W.O.
Naniwa is also good for the community because he was at least helping people before hand, and playing his heart out. The guy is a fighter and a warrior and is light years ahead mentally compared to PainUser. I can't people have the audacity to defend PainUser.
I highly doubt it's because of personal problems, he seems to have no compunction in exposing himself on Inside the Game.
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On June 09 2011 13:31 Kamikiri wrote:
Many of the players consider the NASL a joke and doesn't give the tournament respect stuff like this has been happening alot lately.
I really hate it when people say that the players are taking NASL as a joke. You can say that and it may be true for some players, however for teh ones taht take it seriously and do well, they are the ones that are going to win the the enormous amount of prize money which for 1st to 4rd place is more than a Code S GSL championship. So yes it is a big tournament equivalent to Code S ( maybe not in terms of overall player skill wise) and the players that are doing well are going to win big - and take home a lot of prize money and respect. As for painuser- he should have at least informed them that he was quitting/ not showing up, especially because boxer lives in Korea and so he had to stay awake all night. I hope he does not get invited to any more tournaments.
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PainUser has been an integral part of the community. Who are you to call for his crucifixion?
If the people who organize tournaments and the players want to see PainUser's actions in the NASL as potentially damaging, then they can do so and act upon it. It isn't as if they don't know about it. They don't need to take any advice from someone like you if they don't want to. The real disgrace isn't that the players of the scene don't show up to their matches, it is that the fans feel self-entitled enough to call for the heads of key members of the community just because they didn't get what they want.
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Was there any NASL day in the last 2 weeks without a walkover ? Artosis has "internet problems" (in korea) for 2 or 3 weeks, it's still better than pu because at least he's respectful, but you're a little over the top in your OP.
"Please all hate painuser" ><
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OP, quite frankly, it's none of your business and NASL can deal with it themselves.
Now that people are confirming he has been sick, even MORE so.
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On June 09 2011 13:33 Goibon wrote:
More a problem with the NASL than the players tbh.
Plus he's right about DTs and Banshees so i can never hate on the guy.
*high fives PainUser*
How is it a problem with the nasl exactly? Their admins can mediate to set up a time but after that it's on the players unless there was a serious internal miscommunication. And I don't think one can assume this was the case. The fact that boxer showed despite having to play at much more awkward times than NA players makes your claim even more ridiculous.
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Its a tough problem. Some players who are in a losing position and cannot advance are put into a weird spot; they really don't have an incentive to play their games. On the other-hand NASL puts out their broadcast schedule really far in advance and that creates expectations inside the community. There probably isn't a perfect solution to this issue.
Overall though I think NASL season 1 has been great and I'm really looking forward to season 2. I think they'll hammer this sort of thing out for next season.
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He's saying he's sick now?
Why didn't he communicate that he couldn't play before. He was fine casting the IPL etc.
Based on just leaving without saying a word in everything he has been in, not showing any leadership when LG gaming disbanded, you really have to question whether he is telling the truth in regards to his sickness.
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Everyone may have a bad day once a while where you are feeling shitty and do things that you do not normally do. Do not mean we should all shit on him for that.
Painuser should send a proper apology in the form of a card to boxer, who had to stay up just to play.
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On June 09 2011 13:43 Dental Floss wrote:
Its a tough problem. Some players who are in a losing position and cannot advance are put into a weird spot; they really don't have an incentive to play their games. On the other-hand NASL puts out their broadcast schedule really far in advance and that creates expectations inside the community. There probably isn't a perfect solution to this issue.
Overall though I think NASL season 1 has been great and I'm really looking forward to season 2. I think they'll hammer this sort of thing out for next season.
Grubby, QxC. Why do these people have the integrity to play out till the end?
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On June 09 2011 13:44 Hikari wrote:
Everyone may have a bad day once a while where you are feeling shitty and do things that you do not normally do. Do not mean we should all shit on him for that.
Painuser should send a proper apology in the form of a card to boxer, who had to stay up just to play.
This is a great idea. He should at least apologize.
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On June 09 2011 13:44 FutureArchon wrote:
He's saying he's sick now?
Why didn't he communicate that he couldn't play before. He was fine casting the IPL etc.
Based on just leaving without saying a word in everything he has been in, not showing any leadership when LZ gaming disbanded, you really have to question whether he is telling the truth in regards to his sickness.
It's obvious you may be new here.
It's LG, LZGamer is a player.
He missed a match, if there was a thread every time someone missed a match like this in any tournament ever, oh god. He's obviously focusing his time in other directions and was out of the NASL running. It would have been cool to see him play but he is doing a lot of other big things for Starcraft II so I think that missed game can be excused....
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On June 09 2011 13:37 Yamulo wrote:
It is funny how people think that artosis is not showing up, he still doesn't have internet at his house and HAS NOTIFIED the admins. Painuser, not so much.
While I agree, you have to take into account that IF artosis was really dedicated to the league he could have asked tasteless, wolf, gom to use the house, a game cafe (blanking on the actual name) or almost any korean team to borrow a computer or even just internet access for 1-2 hours a week to play his match and be done. I'm not trying to bash on him as I agree that he was more responsible about it, I think its relatively evident he didn't put much effort into finding a solution.
But, as other said above NASL has said action will be taken, z33k has run a few leagues similar to NASL that has a group stage and it was pretty common anyone who started 0-1 or 0-2 would just give up on the rest of the season, its hard to keep motivated when your playoff hopes, or even the hope to stay in the league at all are gone.
Edit: I also acknowledge as there has been no statement from artosis, we don't know if he tried all these things. It just seems like SOMEONE would have been willing to help seeing has how even Rainbow has to play the same day.
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He ripped off paid subscribers (me included) from seeing Boxer.
I have no idea what happened, so I'll speak it for every player in a similar case related to the OP, I'd like to say that people pay for the show, if you don't deliver it then you are a bad professional, specially because it's not even "live", right? What was the excuse? No excuse? Even worst.
It's not about the results. For a similar matter I don't sympathize that much with Idra (even though his play is really good and I even watch his stream to learn things lol). It doesn't matter if you lost already, keep the show, give a good show, do your best, for us and use the time to test him and yourself. Giving up is one thing, stopping the show is another. If I will make an event and I have 13 decent players for 12 spots, then I wouldn't choose that player that ignores that part of the job is entertain the public (it's not just about winning).
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On June 09 2011 13:45 FutureArchon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 13:43 Dental Floss wrote:
Its a tough problem. Some players who are in a losing position and cannot advance are put into a weird spot; they really don't have an incentive to play their games. On the other-hand NASL puts out their broadcast schedule really far in advance and that creates expectations inside the community. There probably isn't a perfect solution to this issue.
Overall though I think NASL season 1 has been great and I'm really looking forward to season 2. I think they'll hammer this sort of thing out for next season. Grubby, QxC. Why do these people have the integrity to play out till the end?
They don't have jobs outside of just competitive play, unlike Painuser and Artosis.
Not saying its perfectly fine that they just disgarded NASL, but there is definitely a difference.
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painuser is a total boss, who cares... let nasl handle it
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On June 09 2011 13:43 Dental Floss wrote:
Its a tough problem. Some players who are in a losing position and cannot advance are put into a weird spot; they really don't have an incentive to play their games.
Doesn't mean they have to quit.
They can still have influence on who finishes 1st or 2nd.
I hope Painuser will be "sanctioned/disciplined/punished" by NASL for quitting.
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On June 09 2011 13:45 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 13:44 FutureArchon wrote:
He's saying he's sick now?
Why didn't he communicate that he couldn't play before. He was fine casting the IPL etc.
Based on just leaving without saying a word in everything he has been in, not showing any leadership when LZ gaming disbanded, you really have to question whether he is telling the truth in regards to his sickness. It's obvious you may be new here. It's LG, LZGamer is a player. He missed a match, if there was a thread every time someone missed a match like this in any tournament ever, oh god. He's obviously focusing his time in other directions and was out of the NASL running. It would have been cool to see him play but he is doing a lot of other big things for Starcraft II so I think that missed game can be excused....
My bad, brain fart.
It's not the fact that he missed a match, it's the fact that he missed AND he didn't tell anyone.
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NASL is a long tournament. Shit happens. leave him alone
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you dont even know the entire story. dont pretend like you are in a position to say anything.
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On June 09 2011 13:28 FutureArchon wrote:
This really destroys the integrity of Starcraft as it heads into mainstream.
Don't worry. It doesn't.
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On June 09 2011 13:49 KiWiKaKi wrote:
dude take a chill pill
<3
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Put your pitchforks down and chill, sir. Let the people who's job it is to take care of it take care of it, because the community and you only know a tiny fraction of what's actually going on and who said and did what.
Starting a new thread: "community action against people who call for inappropriate community action" brb
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Is this serious? You are taking this shit way too seriously.
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This is a ridiculous, ridiculous thread. Holy shit man.
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Is this more E-SPORTS drama?
The r/StarCraft incident was better.
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On June 09 2011 13:32 Boblhead wrote:
Some other people have shit to do, where sc2 isnt the first thing. Who knows he probably had better more personal stuff to take care of. And besides he has been in the community a top 100 player and deserverd the spot. Please take your rage elsewhere. Just because people don't show for matches doesnt mean they don't deserve it. plus its the last week of nasl.
You're being an apologist. I take "E-SPORTS" less and less serious each time stuff like this happens. Probably had better more personal stuff to take care of? Get real, its a PROFESSIONAL event, would you accept it if a basketball player just...didnt show up to the game? Its not acceptable and frankly just makes all this stuff seem so childish, highschoolish, amateurish, etc. People pay money and apologists excuse them for basically wasting their money, great idea.
At the end of the day, its not that big of a deal, but making up excuses to their benefit is pathetic and in no way helps the integrity of the "sport" at all.
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This is getting ridiculous. I was a big fan of painuser and I'm sad that he didn't finish the league, but trying to start crap against him is ridiculous. As said by Incontrol:
PainUser has dropped from the NASL. I spoke with him last week @ ITG. I told him as well that it would have been much better had he just told us.. essentially what I said on air. He understands and we are all good moving forward. No real need to keep discussing this. PainUser is a good guy and he didn't do anything malicious.. just didn't handle it optimally.
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Does he even consider himself a 'player' anymore? It seems like he is moving more away from trying to compete and more towards being a caster and a personality in the community.
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On June 09 2011 13:50 Alizee- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 13:32 Boblhead wrote:
Some other people have shit to do, where sc2 isnt the first thing. Who knows he probably had better more personal stuff to take care of. And besides he has been in the community a top 100 player and deserverd the spot. Please take your rage elsewhere. Just because people don't show for matches doesnt mean they don't deserve it. plus its the last week of nasl. You're being an apologist. I take "E-SPORTS" less and less serious each time stuff like this happens. Probably had better more personal stuff to take care of? Get real, its a PROFESSIONAL event, would you accept it if a basketball player just...didnt show up to the game? Its not acceptable and frankly just makes all this stuff seem so childish, highschoolish, amateurish, etc. People pay money and apologists excuse them for basically wasting their money, great idea. At the end of the day, its not that big of a deal, but making up excuses to their benefit is pathetic and in no way helps the integrity of the "sport" at all.
If someone didnt show up to a basketball game they'd not get paid, probably miss another game or two without pay and all would be good.... whats your point?
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On June 09 2011 13:50 Alizee- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 13:32 Boblhead wrote:
Some other people have shit to do, where sc2 isnt the first thing. Who knows he probably had better more personal stuff to take care of. And besides he has been in the community a top 100 player and deserverd the spot. Please take your rage elsewhere. Just because people don't show for matches doesnt mean they don't deserve it. plus its the last week of nasl. You're being an apologist. I take "E-SPORTS" less and less serious each time stuff like this happens. Probably had better more personal stuff to take care of? Get real, its a PROFESSIONAL event, would you accept it if a basketball player just...didnt show up to the game? Its not acceptable and frankly just makes all this stuff seem so childish, highschoolish, amateurish, etc. People pay money and apologists excuse them for basically wasting their money, great idea. At the end of the day, its not that big of a deal, but making up excuses to their benefit is pathetic and in no way helps the integrity of the "sport" at all.
Have you even read the thread?
He has lost the points. There is a cost associated with missing a game. Let NASL deal with it. As for being an "apologist" is anyone here saying that Painuser did the right thing?
No just that this is dealt with and we should all move on. There is a seat on the bus if you want it.
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On June 09 2011 13:49 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 13:28 FutureArchon wrote:
This really destroys the integrity of Starcraft as it heads into mainstream. Don't worry. It doesn't.
Thank you. I'm really getting annoyed by this argument.
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I really dont think there is a need to cause more harm to his SC2 "career" then hes already done to it himself. Hes shown his commitment to his obligations or lack there of, there isnt any reason to do anymore damage, leave it be.
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What?
A guy is sick, can't play his matches, and you want to rally up some great crusade against him? Clearly its a lack of integrity disrespect for the community and competition, not like...a guy getting sick.
Next MLG should have a good ol' lynching party outside, I'm sure we can find some trees to hang PainUser's corpse from for such a dastardly deed!
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While i agree that this is not a subject to worry about, NASL will deal with it, I do think that he is less deserving to be on inside the game...he said himself on the show that he is going to become more of a caster than a player, and the point of the 3 guests on inside the game is to get a terran, a protoss and a zerg perspective...but Painuser is no longer a competing player
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On June 09 2011 13:49 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 13:28 FutureArchon wrote:
This really destroys the integrity of Starcraft as it heads into mainstream. Don't worry. It doesn't. Tyler has spoken.. time to close thread?
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NASL is a professional organization, and there is things that happen that the entire community doesn't know about if a player violates rules, IE not showing up. These consequences were also agreed upon by NASL and the players that signed contracts, so I am sure it is already being handled the way NASL intended it to be.
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He just doesn't get invited to new leagues or tournaments where doubt exists about his ability to play through regardless of performance in future.
Problem solved.
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Lynching isn't going to help esports
<3 painuser
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If public humiliation or community action needs to be done, NASL will do it, please don't take matters into your own hands.
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PainUser is working a full-time job now and doesn't have the time or desire to dedicate to pro gaing anymore so how exactly do you intend to punish him? Even if he were blacklisted by events (which he probably is now) it doesn't really matter seeing as hes no longer a player. Seeing as his full-time job is with IGN, the host of the IPL, you think IGN is gonna remove him from being an IPL caster? A player choosing to not show up for a match and dropping out of an online league doesn't hurt the credibility of StarCraft, just the player. Did you freak out when TLO dropped out of EPS as well?
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On June 09 2011 13:50 Alizee- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 13:32 Boblhead wrote:
Some other people have shit to do, where sc2 isnt the first thing. Who knows he probably had better more personal stuff to take care of. And besides he has been in the community a top 100 player and deserverd the spot. Please take your rage elsewhere. Just because people don't show for matches doesnt mean they don't deserve it. plus its the last week of nasl. You're being an apologist. I take "E-SPORTS" less and less serious each time stuff like this happens. Probably had better more personal stuff to take care of? Get real, its a PROFESSIONAL event, would you accept it if a basketball player just...didnt show up to the game? Its not acceptable and frankly just makes all this stuff seem so childish, highschoolish, amateurish, etc. People pay money and apologists excuse them for basically wasting their money, great idea. At the end of the day, its not that big of a deal, but making up excuses to their benefit is pathetic and in no way helps the integrity of the "sport" at all.
NASL isn't esports, it isn't a professional event. The only people who watch the NASL are people too stingy to pay for the GSL.
People complain about players not taking the NASL seriously. How can you blame them when the whole show seems so shoddy? Incontrol just massages his ego, gretorp shrieks like a girl, and they both have this horrific wannabe-tastosis vibe that's just offputting and forced. Their weird system of broadcasting a recorded show cast from replays is just bonkers.
Maybe that became a rant, but the point is, how can you expect people like painuser to take this tournament seriously when it clearly doesn't deserve it?
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On June 09 2011 13:36 CatsPajamas wrote:
Hey, just to give you guys a heads up, he has strep throat. I work with him 8 hours a day, and he's been very sick. Sorry he hasn't played up to your expectations.
EDIT: He also had to cancel his appearance on ITG and EGMC this week because of his illness.
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On June 09 2011 14:01 bokchoi wrote:
PainUser is working a full-time job now and doesn't have the time or desire to dedicate to pro gaing anymore so how exactly do you intend to punish him? Even if he were blacklisted by events (which he probably is now) it doesn't really matter seeing as hes no longer a player. Seeing as his full-time job is with IGN, the host of the IPL, you think IGN is gonna remove him from being an IPL caster? A player choosing to not show up for a match and dropping out of an online league doesn't hurt the credibility of StarCraft, just the player. Did you freak out when TLO dropped out of EPS as well?
Or like the other 100 times over the last year since beta when a Player has had to no-show due to circumstances when he definitely can't make the match or tell anyone about it?
For gods sake, this isn't half the shitstorm that Artosis Vs Slush made in beta and that lasted like 2 days before everyone forgot about it until I just mentioned it...
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That's a big over reaction man, if you don't know all the specific details I don't think coming out saying the community should somehow punish the guy, since you didn't mention (and catspajamas did) he has strep throat. It's up to NASL how they handle things like this anyways and not the viewers.
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