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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 08:33:23
June 08 2011 08:31 GMT
#41
Proof that the government is actually interested. You know, like documents and stuff. Peer review has nothing to do with patents. You have nothing to do with physics. I, and the physics community would be insulted if only we cared.

This is by final word on this subject until peer review supports your/Rodins claims.

Actually this is my final word

FreeEnergylol

I can't stop. Please god close this topic I can't stop. I'm waiting for the GSL to come on and I'm bored.
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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
June 08 2011 08:32 GMT
#42
On June 08 2011 17:29 Morteth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 17:19 Probe1 wrote:
KwarK, the mighty watchman who will free us from stupidity, said,

Closing this in the name of physics. Bring me peer reviewed articles in scientific journals, not youtube videos.



Edit: I want the 10 minutes of my time and attention you wasted trying to convince you that this wasn't real; now realizing that you're a troll or you'd no less listen to reason than a person who will allow faith to be an unmovable final word on a subject.

I want my time back.


I'm not a troll. Fuck it's so difficult to get to people sometimes.

The government is INTERESTED in his WORK. What more proof do you want?


How about actual proof that the government is interested in his work?
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
June 08 2011 08:32 GMT
#43
so funny how the smart people get called crackpots. i am very interested now, thanks for bringing this up, unlike some, i have an open mind, and will give this some looking over.
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
June 08 2011 08:32 GMT
#44
On June 08 2011 17:29 Morteth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 17:19 Probe1 wrote:
KwarK, the mighty watchman who will free us from stupidity, said,

Closing this in the name of physics. Bring me peer reviewed articles in scientific journals, not youtube videos.



Edit: I want the 10 minutes of my time and attention you wasted trying to convince you that this wasn't real; now realizing that you're a troll or you'd no less listen to reason than a person who will allow faith to be an unmovable final word on a subject.

I want my time back.


I'm not a troll. Fuck it's so difficult to get to people sometimes.

The government is INTERESTED in his WORK. What more proof do you want?

Proof that the government is interested in his work.
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
June 08 2011 08:33 GMT
#45
On June 08 2011 17:29 Morteth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 17:19 Probe1 wrote:
KwarK, the mighty watchman who will free us from stupidity, said,

Closing this in the name of physics. Bring me peer reviewed articles in scientific journals, not youtube videos.



Edit: I want the 10 minutes of my time and attention you wasted trying to convince you that this wasn't real; now realizing that you're a troll or you'd no less listen to reason than a person who will allow faith to be an unmovable final word on a subject.

I want my time back.


I'm not a troll. Fuck it's so difficult to get to people sometimes.

The government is INTERESTED in his WORK. What more proof do you want?


which government? soviet russia?
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 08:35:38
June 08 2011 08:33 GMT
#46
On June 08 2011 17:29 Morteth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 17:19 Probe1 wrote:
KwarK, the mighty watchman who will free us from stupidity, said,

Closing this in the name of physics. Bring me peer reviewed articles in scientific journals, not youtube videos.



Edit: I want the 10 minutes of my time and attention you wasted trying to convince you that this wasn't real; now realizing that you're a troll or you'd no less listen to reason than a person who will allow faith to be an unmovable final word on a subject.

I want my time back.

The government is INTERESTED in his WORK. What more proof do you want?
Yes, we want prove the government is interested in his work, other than you saying it is

Also, the government payed millions for a bomb detector that used dowsing for Iraq. So yea the government isn't really a good measure to compare to
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8471187.stm
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
Morteth
Profile Joined April 2010
United States59 Posts
June 08 2011 08:33 GMT
#47
On June 08 2011 17:31 domovoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 17:24 Morteth wrote:
On June 08 2011 17:21 VIB wrote:
Morteth look this up, it's really cool:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review

If this crazy's work had any value he would publish it for peer review. He didn't because he knows he's full of crap.


He's said it himself he won't patent anything, so it won't go into scientific review. Do you know what happened to Nicola Tesla?

What the fuck does peer review have to do with patenting anything? You can't even patent mathematical concepts.


He made a COIL that does NOT WASTE ENERGY. AKA whereas regular coils are INEFFICIENT, his coil is probably the most EFFICIENT coil on the planet. That is a device. Devices get patented.

That same device is used by the U.S. Government to protect its borders.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
June 08 2011 08:33 GMT
#48
On June 08 2011 17:09 Morteth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 17:06 BluzMan wrote:
Geez, now these charlatans have come to TL. Kill it with fire!




That's his technology. Have you seen that before?

It's pretty rude to downplay something without investing time in it.

It is also pretty stupid to believe every charlatan who just happens to be good at promising stuff and who has a few pretty pictures to back up his theory. He said in the video "that is the kind of electricity I am making" and referred that to frictionless transmission (which costs a lot of energy). But if he is already making that energy, why doesnt he show something that works and moves? Maybe because it doesnt do what he claims? Trying to scam some funds out of a government for some hoax research is always a good idea if you arent good at real research.

The other incident with a big scientific breakthrough - the cold fusion of Pons and Fleischman from 1989 - didnt work out either, but they at least had tried to work within the scientific community to demonstrate an effect and have it replicated by others according to their specifications.

The first step is always being able to demonstrate and repeat something revolutionary and since he hasnt done it there seems to be little point in discussing it ...
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Casta
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark234 Posts
June 08 2011 08:35 GMT
#49
This is pretty hard to take seriously, he has some pretty big claims with very little actual proof.

Sometimes people invent or see connections between reality and mathematics because the beauty and simplicity of it looks divine, they become blinded and overly sure that their goal is correct because it is beautiful and keep trying in spite of data proving otherwise.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 08:37:45
June 08 2011 08:35 GMT
#50
On June 08 2011 17:33 Morteth wrote:
He made a COIL that does NOT WASTE ENERGY. AKA whereas regular coils are INEFFICIENT, his coil is probably the most EFFICIENT coil on the planet. That is a device. Devices get patented.

That same device is used by the U.S. Government to protect its borders.



Lets see it. If he's not interested in patents, give us the specs and we'll all have infinite energy.


Also, lets see any proof that ... uh... zero reduction energy coils are ... protecting United States borders.


I'm sincerely ask you to stop making these threads until you have a shred of proof. Just a shred, not even an article published in Science. No, just one small way we can independently verify anything.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Rayonnair
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore185 Posts
June 08 2011 08:36 GMT
#51
On June 08 2011 17:27 Morteth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 17:23 Utkrossaren wrote:
Okay, this is a load of nonsense which doesn´t have any connection to real science whatsoever.


Incredible. It's amazing how you can give someone all the resources to discover things on their own and they won't do it. But they'll criticize something to no end.

Anyway, I just thought it was really interesting considering how many times we've heard of Obama saying "we need to get free energy" and blah blah blah, this all just coincided with what we as a civilization need. And the funny part is, it's all TRUE. His mathematics can't be disproven.




I don't know about the rest of the content on this guy because I haven't read it, so I can't comment. However, I can comment on "free energy". It's a myth. Conservation of energy does not allow for energy to be created or destroyed.
Morteth
Profile Joined April 2010
United States59 Posts
June 08 2011 08:39 GMT
#52
On June 08 2011 17:33 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 17:09 Morteth wrote:
On June 08 2011 17:06 BluzMan wrote:
Geez, now these charlatans have come to TL. Kill it with fire!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx8hbneltBE&feature=player_embedded#at=86

That's his technology. Have you seen that before?

It's pretty rude to downplay something without investing time in it.

It is also pretty stupid to believe every charlatan who just happens to be good at promising stuff and who has a few pretty pictures to back up his theory. He said in the video "that is the kind of electricity I am making" and referred that to frictionless transmission (which costs a lot of energy). But if he is already making that energy, why doesnt he show something that works and moves? Maybe because it doesnt do what he claims? Trying to scam some funds out of a government for some hoax research is always a good idea if you arent good at real research.

The other incident with a big scientific breakthrough - the cold fusion of Pons and Fleischman from 1989 - didnt work out either, but they at least had tried to work within the scientific community to demonstrate an effect and have it replicated by others according to their specifications.

The first step is always being able to demonstrate and repeat something revolutionary and since he hasnt done it there seems to be little point in discussing it ...


Except I don't believe every charlatan. I actually believe his work can do good. That's the only reason why I brought it up.. it made sense to me. And it's sad that instead of taking this information with a grain of salt, or just plain watching the stuff for a long time to grasp most of it, instead it's being ridiculed.




A rudimentary Rodin coil ripping apart magnets, why does it rip them apart? Cause it creates a REAL STRONG MAGNETIC FIELD. Lol... some people can be so thick.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 08:42:54
June 08 2011 08:40 GMT
#53
This is the thing. We did watch the videos, or at least I did and the people in your last thread and the other forum threads and a quick google search results in. No, we didn't watch all 10 hours. We did however commit time and interest and found it to be merely unverified claims and in so many words, bunk.


Proof or gtfo to use the pejorative of our times.


Edit: I watched both videos you posted. Please stop using the argument that we're not watching. I took your OP with a grain of salt. Then I reviewed the material myself. If I claimed Napoleon was alive and dressed up a short person up and shot a video in my garage then put it on youtube then refused to let others see it, exactly what would you think?
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
June 08 2011 08:40 GMT
#54
On June 08 2011 17:33 Morteth wrote:
He made a COIL that does NOT WASTE ENERGY. AKA whereas regular coils are INEFFICIENT, his coil is probably the most EFFICIENT coil on the planet. That is a device. Devices get patented.

I'm talking about his bullshit Vortex mathematics.

But anyway, peer review still has nothing to do with patenting. What the fuck are you talking about. In fact, if he publicly disclosed the instructions to build such a coil to peer review, that would guarantee he wouldn't be able to patent it. So you've got it completely backwards.

That same device is used by the U.S. Government to protect its borders.

lolwut
Morteth
Profile Joined April 2010
United States59 Posts
June 08 2011 08:40 GMT
#55
On June 08 2011 17:31 Probe1 wrote:
Proof that the government is actually interested. You know, like documents and stuff. Peer review has nothing to do with patents. You have nothing to do with physics. I, and the physics community would be insulted if only we cared.

This is by final word on this subject until peer review supports your/Rodins claims.

Actually this is my final word

FreeEnergylol

I can't stop. Please god close this topic I can't stop. I'm waiting for the GSL to come on and I'm bored.





His work at "extraordinary technologies convention".
Abductedonut
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States324 Posts
June 08 2011 08:40 GMT
#56
On June 08 2011 17:29 Morteth wrote:

I'm not a troll. Fuck it's so difficult to get to people sometimes.

The government is INTERESTED in his WORK. What more proof do you want?


Bro, take it easy, it's not your fault his work is poorly presented and nobody knows what the hell he's talking about.

I watched half his videos and I still don't get what he's even remotely trying to get at.

Sorry if this seems rude, but what's background in mathematics? Your "calculus" example wasn't very convincing because the idea of calculus isn't very difficult to understand. It's rates of change and areas under curves.
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
June 08 2011 08:40 GMT
#57
Everything he says is rudimentary and not interesting. All he notices, like any young arithmatician is that there are repeating patterns in base 10.You could do the exact same thing with base 2. Also, I haven't seen a single mathematical statement. Seriously, how hard is it to find 1 PROOF or even 1 equation. The decimal system is a convenient system based on the # of digits we have on our 2 hands. You know he is a fake when he brings up things like "Ying Yang". The reason you can't DISPROVE anything he says is because he isn't saying anything controversial. Most of his findings are true, what's not true is his conclusion. Here's a trick. In base 2, all powers of 2 end in a 0!!!! I must have discovered the underpinnings of the universe!!!

This is definitely not thread worthy.

PS: Got a degree in mathematics.
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
Morteth
Profile Joined April 2010
United States59 Posts
June 08 2011 08:41 GMT
#58
On June 08 2011 17:31 Probe1 wrote:
Proof that the government is actually interested. You know, like documents and stuff. Peer review has nothing to do with patents. You have nothing to do with physics. I, and the physics community would be insulted if only we cared.

This is by final word on this subject until peer review supports your/Rodins claims.

Actually this is my final word

FreeEnergylol

I can't stop. Please god close this topic I can't stop. I'm waiting for the GSL to come on and I'm bored.


Yeah cause the government readily puts out all the information on their most advanced technology. Riiiight...
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
June 08 2011 08:41 GMT
#59
Show me the actual military journal, show me the actual quotes from known and respected phycisists within this field, show me that his work has been published in a peer reviewed journal. A youtube video claiming something does not replace the scientific method or actual evidence.

Listen to his claims, they are quite incredible, he claims that through something only he has been able to invent he can basically solve every problem in the world. Does not that sound kind of strange? That implies he is the smartest man alive, by far. Now combine that with the fact that he has previously claimed to have invented a perpetuum mobile machine, does that make sense? (This is not evidence to disprove his theory I know, but it is an argument for why you should be skeptical about his claims)

Everyone would love if his theory was correct, and would start utilizing it if it was true and worked. He could probably become the richest man alive if this was true. So why does he not publish his findings in good journals? Why does he have to make Youtube videos to make his theory known?
It does not make sense. Unless you believe in some kind of worldwide conspirancy of people not wanting free energy, instant teleportation and some more things he claims to be able to do.

His mathemathics cannot be disproven? How can you claim something like that with no evidence to back it up? How can you be absolutely certain something cannot be disproven?
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Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
June 08 2011 08:42 GMT
#60
On June 08 2011 17:33 Morteth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 17:31 domovoi wrote:
On June 08 2011 17:24 Morteth wrote:
On June 08 2011 17:21 VIB wrote:
Morteth look this up, it's really cool:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review

If this crazy's work had any value he would publish it for peer review. He didn't because he knows he's full of crap.


He's said it himself he won't patent anything, so it won't go into scientific review. Do you know what happened to Nicola Tesla?

What the fuck does peer review have to do with patenting anything? You can't even patent mathematical concepts.


He made a COIL that does NOT WASTE ENERGY. AKA whereas regular coils are INEFFICIENT, his coil is probably the most EFFICIENT coil on the planet. That is a device. Devices get patented.

That same device is used by the U.S. Government to protect its borders.

So he doesn't want to have it patented and that's why he doesn't release his research so other (more legitimate) scientists could study it and check if he's not full of crap? I mean I've just read through this thread and it smells like BS. When you want to read about things like that, try reading scientific journals. They may be harder to read sometimes or contain fewer promisis (free energy) but at least you know that someone's checked their work.
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