One more "fuck the police" from page 8 and onward is going to have an all expense paid weekend to E-Disneyland. It adds nothing to the discussion and as such please refrain from making such posts in this topic and the boards in general.
On May 29 2011 20:12 Ghostcom wrote: The western society is based around freedom under responsibility and well, doing something that can hurt the feelings of so many just because you can doesn't seem very responsible.
No it isn't. Freedom of expression is only limited by the call for others to be harmed. Especially in America. In particular this is because offense is taken, not given. If people would have to refrain from any action thought or speech if one person were to appoint it offensive any expression would be stifled. As I can claim anything is offensive to me and there is no way for you to proof it otherwise.
On May 29 2011 20:12 Ghostcom wrote: That is not to say that I don't think the cops overreacted quite a bit, but then again, it's not like he didn't do anything to annoy them.
Being annoying is not illegal. Also being annoying is subjective, see the above. Pretty sad post comming from someone from Denmark of all places. Cartoons anyone?
Quote my entire post if you want to have a discussion, taking things out of context is never cool. You would notice I promoted freedom under responsibility, why piss off people just to piss them off?
Also, just because I'm from DK, what makes you think I see the drawings as stroke of genious? You don't see me commenting on you being from the Netherlands and Gert Wilders, do you? To generalize only makes you look like a moron, so how about refraining from that mr. Gravybrain... (personal attacks won't get you anywhere either).
To whomever posted to me, I don't really know how to work quotes and the like. America definitely isn't leftist, considering the margin between left and right is about 50-50 (or doesn't exist), and I was just speaking out of personal encounters regarding friends and others (which holds no basis I know). So I apologize for that.
I'm living in China right now, and after having moved from the US, it kills me to hear stories about US politics or political//controversial instances -- cause they don't mean shit. I have no real pride in my country, but I just dislike unreasonable dislike being proliferated around the world.
Arguing about whether this specific act is right or wrong is just silly. What should be being discussed is how pointless such an amendment is... what benefit does it bring to anyone? (stopping people from 'dancing' there?)
What you're saying , is that it is okay to not be safe under law to grow your own food , or drink fresh healthy water ?
Man , you must think very highly of yourself . Well humility is for loosers I guess ....
I actually don't understand anything you just said, but I'll try to reply anyway.
1. If by left brained you mean the whole left-brained/right-brained thing then you really need to start doing research, the 2 sides differ but people do not favor either side of their brain enough overall that it's scientifically valid to start calling people left or right brained.
2. Even if that were true, I have no idea how that is relevant, as to the whole growing food thing I'm pretty sure (read absolutely positive) that I already explained how that thing is a BILL NOT a LAW (there is a somewhat major difference here) come back to me when it becomes a law (read never)
3. I don't understand how my political views (or alleged brainedness) show me to have a lack of modesty.
On May 29 2011 21:11 WinteRR wrote: Arguing about whether this specific act is right or wrong is just silly. What should be being discussed is how pointless such an amendment is... what benefit does it bring to anyone? (stopping people from 'dancing' there?)
PLEASE READ THE THREAD!!!!!
It was not an amendment it was a court ruling that was explained fully by a post earlier in the thread!!!
On May 29 2011 20:37 bOne7 wrote: Why am I interested in US actions ? Well , it is pretty simple ... USA is the sole superpower now ... Well China is rising up , but still it doesn't have the capability to wage war like the US has ... If this superpower slips into fascism ... Well ... It's gg humans ... Well most of us ..
My concern is that we as human beings forget the conection we had to each other and "nature" ( while ofcourse everything on this planet , even the nuclear plants are natural , because they are made by us , us being part of nature ) , and since we forgot about this conection we created a deep disturbing psychoses in our human colective psychic .. And as it seems now , most of the psychopats rule the world ... These people aren't repulsive or anything ... Look at the case of Ted Bundy ... He was a very charming and apparently decent human being ... But ... what he did ...
If you think I'm a retarted conspiracy theorist ... Well I left that behind , and now I'm trying only to give my persepctive on things , and trying to analyze every problem from both sides of the spectrum ... Making hydraulic fracturing legal . home gardening outlawed .... Man ... this is all f***ed up ..
You're right.
I do think that you're a conspiracy theorist.
well, here in Spain our government has put some new laws which cut freedom for us, under pressure from the american government
and we can't forget about the new security rules from the airports, who came from USA
Oh NO!!! After 9/11 and multiple terrorist attempts, including on international flights we should just sit back and not use what power we have to try to stop it from happening again!!! God why didn't I think of that!!!
On a less sarcastic note I will not feel bad or guilty for you guys getting airport security because of us, frankly you should be thanking god that you didn't need a 9/11 to happen to decide to implement this stuff.
oh, the rules which doesn't mean to prevent the terrorists because there are others way to destroy a plane...
and what about the new scanner on the airports? and the new system to check the intimate parts of your 3 years old son?
we didn't have a 9/11, but we had 11/04, did you know? And we didn't put stupid rules cutting our freedom after that. Ignorant
Your government is fucking our contry with some rules, and we can't allow that because we have enough with our stupid politicians
God I actually can't stand people that say that we shouldn't have security because it will have holes, is it really possible to be that ignorant? So we should also get rid of laws against murder because people will do it anyway right?
You're right I didn't know about 11/04 (after a couple google searches I still don't) but I don't actually see it as a good thing that you don't want new laws to protect you after that, in fact to me that just seems like you just don't want to be inconvenienced even if it means a few more people will die.
You don't get me. What I'm saying is those rules aren't helping to capture terrorists because they aren't going to mass murder with those ways.
Did some terrorist use liquids to create bombs in a plane? Do you know EU is going to allow to wear liquids in a plane again soon? Maybe that rule was stupid?
Do you think that is needed to scan our whole body to search weapons? Isn't that enough with manual metal detectors?
Checking the intimate parts from your 3 years old son is going to prevent bombs?
They just want to control the poblation, they started with small things using the Fear to terrorists and we will wake up without any freedom.
well this is all very funny, when viewed from an external standpoint :D What I think is that this is quite uncertain legal ground, while this group of people could effectively be considered protesters without a permit (being a group and having announced it and all that), what would it be like if only one person was dancing, for no particular reason? I can very well imagine myself having a jolly good time at some memorial site, enjoying the history and the memory, and listening to some awesome music on my awesome headphones, and thus starting to bob my head, to some feet shuffling and perhaps even move my arms around a bit. So am I a one-man demonstration if I start dancing? Or am I just some guy who's feeling good and moving around a bit? As for the way the police handled the thing, I have to say that this is what we're used to see coming from america (perhaps because it's teh only things we are shown, i dunno), the police being very insecure about the whole thing and trying very very hard to look like they're incontrol, and therefore losing it a bit... What I find very interesting is that all these kinds of threads tend to turn into something like usa vs the rest, and law&order vs we should exercise our freedoms whenever we want...I can't understand all the people saying that you should just listen to the nice policeman, keep your eyes and your voice down, and not raise a rucus when you feel like you are being subjected to some sort of injustice. Civil disobedience is a very important thing, and should always be a very basic right. The law isn't some kind of absolute that dominates everything, is eternal and unremovable.
oh and thx to the person who posted that maskinen vid on the first page, it's awesome, i started dancing right away :D
On May 29 2011 20:37 bOne7 wrote: Why am I interested in US actions ? Well , it is pretty simple ... USA is the sole superpower now ... Well China is rising up , but still it doesn't have the capability to wage war like the US has ... If this superpower slips into fascism ... Well ... It's gg humans ... Well most of us ..
My concern is that we as human beings forget the conection we had to each other and "nature" ( while ofcourse everything on this planet , even the nuclear plants are natural , because they are made by us , us being part of nature ) , and since we forgot about this conection we created a deep disturbing psychoses in our human colective psychic .. And as it seems now , most of the psychopats rule the world ... These people aren't repulsive or anything ... Look at the case of Ted Bundy ... He was a very charming and apparently decent human being ... But ... what he did ...
If you think I'm a retarted conspiracy theorist ... Well I left that behind , and now I'm trying only to give my persepctive on things , and trying to analyze every problem from both sides of the spectrum ... Making hydraulic fracturing legal . home gardening outlawed .... Man ... this is all f***ed up ..
You're right.
I do think that you're a conspiracy theorist.
well, here in Spain our government has put some new laws which cut freedom for us, under pressure from the american government
and we can't forget about the new security rules from the airports, who came from USA
Oh NO!!! After 9/11 and multiple terrorist attempts, including on international flights we should just sit back and not use what power we have to try to stop it from happening again!!! God why didn't I think of that!!!
On a less sarcastic note I will not feel bad or guilty for you guys getting airport security because of us, frankly you should be thanking god that you didn't need a 9/11 to happen to decide to implement this stuff.
oh, the rules which doesn't mean to prevent the terrorists because there are others way to destroy a plane...
and what about the new scanner on the airports? and the new system to check the intimate parts of your 3 years old son?
we didn't have a 9/11, but we had 11/04, did you know? And we didn't put stupid rules cutting our freedom after that. Ignorant
Your government is fucking our contry with some rules, and we can't allow that because we have enough with our stupid politicians
God I actually can't stand people that say that we shouldn't have security because it will have holes, is it really possible to be that ignorant? So we should also get rid of laws against murder because people will do it anyway right?
You're right I didn't know about 11/04 (after a couple google searches I still don't) but I don't actually see it as a good thing that you don't want new laws to protect you after that, in fact to me that just seems like you just don't want to be inconvenienced even if it means a few more people will die.
You don't get me. What I'm saying is those rules aren't helping to capture terrorists because they aren't going to mass murder with those ways.
Did some terrorist use liquids to create bombs in a plane? Do you know EU is going to allow to wear liquids in a plane again soon? Maybe that rule was stupid?
Do you think that is needed to scan our whole body to search weapons? Isn't that enough with manual metal detectors?
Checking the intimate parts from your 3 years old son is going to prevent bombs?
They just want to control the poblation, they started with small things using the Fear to terrorists and we will wake up without any freedom.
Yes they won't use those ways because we have things to stop those methods, as far as I can tell you're saying the same thing which would also mean that guns should be legal because people will find other ways to kill anyway (I am aware that guns are legal in the US, just not OK with it) sure they might find other ways but if we make it easier more people will die.
As to the last paragraph, there you start to hit conspiracy theory levels so I'll just leave that alone.
The people saying "fuck the police" here are just sheep. They broke the law, then they proceeded to make a big deal out of it. The officer for example told the one guy "This is your last warning, get on your knees" who just plain ignored the officer. It's clear he WANTED to be physically restrained so that he could further 'stick it to the man.'
Well guess what, you aren't sticking it to the man, you're just making one guy's job miserable. I'm all for questioning the government and holding them accountable for disrupting liberties, but being a douchebag in public doesn't make you the next Malcolm X.
Naviluss you are adressing the effect not the cause ... When you do that , you will only , in this case , put more and more laws , untill all the system falls because the citizens will not submit to laws anymore because they are getting ridiculuos .
You don't cure cancer by chimo , like you don't cure criminality by imposing laws . And anyway all this legal fiction is just a big scam . If you are smart and call for your special equity rights , you can avoid all the b/s that happens in the public court rooms . If you don't harm a human being or his property , then all the other laws may be avoided by simply not appearing in court as a person , but as , well ... scentient creation or whatever ... god damn it ... legal language is pretty messed up ..... And I know .... I got many friends in the legal system ... judges , lawyers .... I happen to be lucky in that respect ...
On May 29 2011 20:37 bOne7 wrote: Why am I interested in US actions ? Well , it is pretty simple ... USA is the sole superpower now ... Well China is rising up , but still it doesn't have the capability to wage war like the US has ... If this superpower slips into fascism ... Well ... It's gg humans ... Well most of us ..
My concern is that we as human beings forget the conection we had to each other and "nature" ( while ofcourse everything on this planet , even the nuclear plants are natural , because they are made by us , us being part of nature ) , and since we forgot about this conection we created a deep disturbing psychoses in our human colective psychic .. And as it seems now , most of the psychopats rule the world ... These people aren't repulsive or anything ... Look at the case of Ted Bundy ... He was a very charming and apparently decent human being ... But ... what he did ...
If you think I'm a retarted conspiracy theorist ... Well I left that behind , and now I'm trying only to give my persepctive on things , and trying to analyze every problem from both sides of the spectrum ... Making hydraulic fracturing legal . home gardening outlawed .... Man ... this is all f***ed up ..
You're right.
I do think that you're a conspiracy theorist.
well, here in Spain our government has put some new laws which cut freedom for us, under pressure from the american government
and we can't forget about the new security rules from the airports, who came from USA
Oh NO!!! After 9/11 and multiple terrorist attempts, including on international flights we should just sit back and not use what power we have to try to stop it from happening again!!! God why didn't I think of that!!!
On a less sarcastic note I will not feel bad or guilty for you guys getting airport security because of us, frankly you should be thanking god that you didn't need a 9/11 to happen to decide to implement this stuff.
oh, the rules which doesn't mean to prevent the terrorists because there are others way to destroy a plane...
and what about the new scanner on the airports? and the new system to check the intimate parts of your 3 years old son?
we didn't have a 9/11, but we had 11/04, did you know? And we didn't put stupid rules cutting our freedom after that. Ignorant
Your government is fucking our contry with some rules, and we can't allow that because we have enough with our stupid politicians
God I actually can't stand people that say that we shouldn't have security because it will have holes, is it really possible to be that ignorant? So we should also get rid of laws against murder because people will do it anyway right?
You're right I didn't know about 11/04 (after a couple google searches I still don't) but I don't actually see it as a good thing that you don't want new laws to protect you after that, in fact to me that just seems like you just don't want to be inconvenienced even if it means a few more people will die.
You don't get me. What I'm saying is those rules aren't helping to capture terrorists because they aren't going to mass murder with those ways.
Did some terrorist use liquids to create bombs in a plane? Do you know EU is going to allow to wear liquids in a plane again soon? Maybe that rule was stupid?
Do you think that is needed to scan our whole body to search weapons? Isn't that enough with manual metal detectors?
Checking the intimate parts from your 3 years old son is going to prevent bombs?
They just want to control the poblation, they started with small things using the Fear to terrorists and we will wake up without any freedom.
Yes they won't use those ways because we have things to stop those methods, as far as I can tell you're saying the same thing which would also mean that guns should be legal because people will find other ways to kill anyway (I am aware that guns are legal in the US, just not OK with it) sure they might find other ways but if we make it easier more people will die.
As to the last paragraph, there you start to hit conspiracy theory levels so I'll just leave that alone.
you still don't get that, anyways, that is your decision to live in that land of freedom (lol)
On May 29 2011 21:24 bOne7 wrote: Naviluss you are adressing the effect not the cause ... When you do that , you will only , in this case , put more and more laws , untill all the system falls because the citizens will not submit to laws anymore because they are getting ridiculuos .
You don't cure cancer by chimo , like you don't cure criminality by imposing laws . And anyway all this legal fiction is just a big scam . If you are smart and call for your special equity rights , you can avoid all the b/s that happens in the public court rooms . If you don't harm a human being or his property , then all the other laws may be avoided by simply not appearing in court as a person , but as , well ... scentient creation or whatever ... god damn it ... legal language is pretty messed up ..... And I know .... I got many friends in the legal system ... judges , lawyers .... I happen to be lucky in that respect ...
See now you're back to just sort of saying things, there is nothing substantial in that paragraph for me to respond to soooo...
Here's the invite video which provides some background info. There's gonna be another one next Saturday if anyone wants to show your support. Sadly, I'm too far away from DC
Go Adam!
Sounds like some ignorant guy who just wants to break laws and get other people into trouble to be on television. I don't know why the courts have made the ruling they did, but when the people go out of their way to be idiots, they're just asking for trouble. I doubt Adam did any research on the court case before doing his illegal demonstration. Seems pretty immature to me. "We found a weird law, so let's break it and wonder why we're getting arrested!"
Sure, people are more than welcome to disagree with the courts' ruling, but breaking the law and then being stupefied is not how you go about displaying your opinions in a professional manner. Take it up with the courts; don't go breaking the law first. What morons.
Oh please. Half the people at this dance demonstration were genuinely surprised they were getting arrested, as if they didn't know they were breaking the law (/court ruling). They were following the crowd. The other half were doing it just to be troublemakers, not to be like Gandhi. Comparing what these guys were doing to Rosa Parks or Gandhi is ridiculous. These dancers weren't standing for anything. They were just being mischievous lawbreakers.
Current American society allows you to appeal court rulings and approach these judiciary cases in a professional manner. You don't go out of your way to break a law and then claim that *it's a stupid law anyway*.
On May 29 2011 21:24 bOne7 wrote: Naviluss you are adressing the effect not the cause ... When you do that , you will only , in this case , put more and more laws , untill all the system falls because the citizens will not submit to laws anymore because they are getting ridiculuos .
You don't cure cancer by chimo , like you don't cure criminality by imposing laws . And anyway all this legal fiction is just a big scam . If you are smart and call for your special equity rights , you can avoid all the b/s that happens in the public court rooms . If you don't harm a human being or his property , then all the other laws may be avoided by simply not appearing in court as a person , but as , well ... scentient creation or whatever ... god damn it ... legal language is pretty messed up ..... And I know .... I got many friends in the legal system ... judges , lawyers .... I happen to be lucky in that respect ...
See now you're back to just sort of saying things, there is nothing substantial in that paragraph for me to respond to soooo...
Think I'll go get breakfast now.
It's quite simple really. What he says is that laws merely treat the symptoms, not the disease.
EPT
