One more "fuck the police" from page 8 and onward is going to have an all expense paid weekend to E-Disneyland. It adds nothing to the discussion and as such please refrain from making such posts in this topic and the boards in general.
Here's the invite video which provides some background info. There's gonna be another one next Saturday if anyone wants to show your support. Sadly, I'm too far away from DC
Go Adam!
Sounds like some ignorant guy who just wants to break laws and get other people into trouble to be on television. I don't know why the courts have made the ruling they did, but when the people go out of their way to be idiots, they're just asking for trouble. I doubt Adam did any research on the court case before doing his illegal demonstration. Seems pretty immature to me. "We found a weird law, so let's break it and wonder why we're getting arrested!"
Sure, people are more than welcome to disagree with the courts' ruling, but breaking the law and then being stupefied is not how you go about displaying your opinions in a professional manner. Take it up with the courts; don't go breaking the law first. What morons.
On May 29 2011 20:12 Ghostcom wrote: What I don't get is, why would you even want to dance at the memorial? Would you also hold a rave party at Arlington? There is a place for everything, and whilst it might not be straight up illegal, it can still be disrespectful. The western society is based around freedom under responsibility and well, doing something that can hurt the feelings of so many just because you can doesn't seem very responsible.
That is not to say that I don't think the cops overreacted quite a bit, but then again, it's not like he didn't do anything to annoy them.
According to the video inviting people this actually was straight-up illegal and that's why they did it, but as to the cops I really don't think that they did overreact, yes he threw a guy to the ground but that was after telling him like 10 times to put his hands behind his back, there aren't actually that many great ways to force someones hands behind their back without breaking their arm or something similar, and when you're refusing to let him put handcuffs on that qualifies as resisting arrest.
The cops wouldn't do anything if no psychopats would put in place laws just to arouse people's behaviour . Let's see what evolved out of this ... This may just be a small snowball , rolling and rolling and rolling until a lot of people start realizing how they're being f***ed every day of their lives with the illusion of freedoms and rights which are , in fact just ideas and fairy tale stories written on a peace of paper , which can in fact be ignored at any time , and if you don't believe this go search 1942 America Japonese people internment camps on wikipedia .... Good law abiding citizens thrown in internment camps just because their fathers were born in the wrong place .
W/e , this may be happening for a long time now , but since we get the internet now , we find about this unmoral actions in a blink of an eye .
Well this is about as vague as it gets but to the two examples you have I would say well with the internment camps we realized and acknowledged that it was wrong and payed reparations, also that was over half a century ago, that really is not a good piece of evidence for a claim about modern society and government. The only other specific mentioned (though you don't actually mention it) is what's happening here which seemed fine to me, it was civil disobedience which is the right way to do things, just with protesters too stupid to realize that they were absolutely going to get arrested and who somehow thought that it would be smart to try and fight it right there with a cop who wasn't the one who got to make the choice to let them go or not. Overall I don't at all see what you're trying to say.
Anyone going "oh dem kids hate the law with their potsmocking" just watch the footage, Adam gets bodyslammed against the ground and held with a chokegrip whilst holding his hands up. That's a huge deal, chokegrip is (atleast in sweden) a huge overstepping of violence. EDIT: To put it in perspective, you could get 6 years in prison in Sweden for that. And yes, it does not have to be with the intent of killing or choking you, just holding a chokegrip is bad enough.
I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with dancing nor is there any specific legislation about it. They were doing in response to a court ruling it illegal, not a new law.
Also, they were asking for it, and resisting arrest just to sensationalize things. They KNEW it was illegal and they KNEW they'd get arrested because it happened before. The whole reason they went out there was to get attention for themselves.
The police went a little over the top near the end, though.
There are permits for everything, if you want to have a ronery rave/demonstration, apply for one. If you chose not to do so, enjoy being arrested for disorderly conduct in a public area. Too bad they weren't real law enforcement officers instead of national park services officers, they'd probably be more readily able and versed in properly defining the reasons for the arrests.
On May 29 2011 19:55 Navillus wrote: They were demonstrating without a permit, the arrest was legal as far as I know.
Oh? I thought they were just dancing.
And they just chose a politically sensitive area where they know it would cause a stir and make a political point. Yeah, that doesn't sound like protesting to me.
lol what
Thomas Jefferson: "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, even if those grievances might take the form of violent action"
anyways i'm not surprised, America, land of freedom (yeah right)
On May 29 2011 20:23 bOne7 wrote: Also it's not about dancing , it's not submiting to loosing , well in this case , a ridiculuos freedom .. Probably no1 cares if they can't dance at a memorial , in particular .. It's just , passing out legislation just to f***k with peoples heads ... It just like teasing a snake ... Wtf guys ?
It's just a little point of legislation is being passed without reason . And if you are interested in what other pieces of legislation are being passed just without sense ... Research about the passing of the "Bill S510"
I'm really intrigued by your interest in US laws but you really need to start reading and listening more carefully, it was not "legislation" that was passed out, it was a court ruling which simply means that a judge interpreted an existing law to include dancing, as for that bill, well, I mean, the word is right there... it's a BILL that is, NOT a law, and I am one-hundred percent sure that it will never become a law, soooo... anything else?
Here's the invite video which provides some background info. There's gonna be another one next Saturday if anyone wants to show your support. Sadly, I'm too far away from DC
Go Adam!
Sounds like some ignorant guy who just wants to break laws and get other people into trouble to be on television. I don't know why the courts have made the ruling they did, but when the people go out of their way to be idiots, they're just asking for trouble. I doubt Adam did any research on the court case before doing his illegal demonstration. Seems pretty immature to me. "We found a weird law, so let's break it and wonder why we're getting arrested!"
Sure, people are more than welcome to disagree with the courts' ruling, but breaking the law and then being stupefied is not how you go about displaying your opinions in a professional manner. Take it up with the courts; don't go breaking the law first. What morons.
Actually he's an Iraq War veteran who is now anti-war, a former congressional candidate from New Mexico, and now hosts a television show which had an episode on Friday which talked about the court case and why he was calling people to dance at the Jefferson Memorial. Here's the 5 minute segment.
I guess Rosa Parks was immature for not moving to the back of the bus then. She should have taken it up with the courts instead of disobeying the law.
It's a stupid court's decisions. I wouldn't blame the police. They could handle the situation better - not be so cruel - which just made it look ridiculous, but other than they did what they're paid for. Can't blame them for that. They probably think of it as stupid themselves... But it's not up to them to decide. Thankfully.
I didn't open this topic to be a sensational discution or whatever , I'm just searching for a proper response to why this particular part of legislation be passed . Why o why after over 50 years just now , it is illegal to dance at the memorial ?
I'm still waiting for a logical response from a sane human being.
I like how the officer replies to the question of what they are being charged with by saying "You'll find out". Seriously wtf. I don't have a problem with police doing their jobs, but I do have a problem with enforcing petty shit and wasting money and time creating petty laws. The fact that the officer can't even tell them what they seem to be violating just makes if even worse -_-'.
On May 29 2011 20:30 bOne7 wrote: I didn't open this topic to be a sensational discution or whatever , I'm just searching for a proper response to why this particular part of legislation be passed . Why o why after over 50 years just now , it is illegal to dance at the memorial ?
I'm still waiting for a logical response from a sane human being.
No new legislation was passed. It was a court ruling. Courts interpret existing laws, not write new ones.
Based on that, it would have always been illegal to dance at the memorial, it just hadn't been interpreted that way yet (and probably few people had done it as a form of protest without a permit).
This is ridicilous - u.s. people think they have too much freedom, they can dance on your grave , party in library , have sex in whitehouse , this was a provocative act , to watch the cops reaction , the arrest was legal. When a cop asks u to stop dancing in a public area , u should **ing stop , and not act like a clown.
On May 29 2011 20:30 bOne7 wrote: I didn't open this topic to be a sensational discution or whatever , I'm just searching for a proper response to why this particular part of legislation be passed . Why o why after over 50 years just now , it is illegal to dance at the memorial ?
I'm still waiting for a logical response from a sane human being.
The court ruled that way because a group involving a Mrs. Mary Oberwetter danced at the Jefferson Memorial in honor of his birthday. She was arrested and the courts ruled in favor of the cops so that the cops' authority would not be undercut.
Anyone going "oh dem kids hate the law with their potsmocking" just watch the footage, Adam gets bodyslammed against the ground and held with a chokegrip whilst holding his hands up. That's a huge deal, chokegrip is (atleast in sweden) a huge overstepping of violence. EDIT: To put it in perspective, you could get 6 years in prison in Sweden for that. And yes, it does not have to be with the intent of killing or choking you, just holding a chokegrip is bad enough.
uhuh uhuh, this is why you get original's not videos from news sources, Fox seems to have muted the guy they were talking to yelling the entire time, the guy who was thrown to the ground was only thrown down after being told to put his hands behind his back a half a dozen times, oh and you think he was holding his hands up? Cause I saw him holding his hands away from the police officer who was trying to do his job and arrest him (seriously to everyone yelling at the cops are they supposed to NOT enforce the law as it stands?) Also, just because the news announcer on fox called what he did a "choke hold" does not make it a real choke hold, he put his hand on the guys neck, that was nothing close to an actual choke hold and if you're going to make a point of saying a choke grip is a big deal learn what it actually looks like.
As to the second guy, he was pulling his friend away from a police officer who was putting handcuffs on him (the friend was not resisting) that is absolutely interfering with police and resisting arrest.
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