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Hey I am a top 20Terran player on the NA server, I've been saving some of the games I've played that are against well known players, or just fun in general, enjoy!
Included are such names as; aTnSocke, EGMachine, FnaticMSiTTI, ROOTCatz, ROOTSlush, VTPokeBunny, Fxoptikzero, Gretorp, EGiNcontrol and much more!
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If this link doesn't work try http://drop.sc/packs/92
Thank's for all the support and enjoy the games! On a sexy note I do provide lessons for my Terran friends for twenty dollars and hour, feel free to pm me for more details.
EDIT: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2624529/1/LiquidWater/ This is my battlenet Profile link
LiquidWater.856- If you have any questions or comments
Poll: Which matchup was your Favorite :)Terran vs Zerg (24) 51% Terran vs Protoss (15) 32% Terran vs Terran (8) 17% 47 total votes Your vote: Which matchup was your Favorite :) (Vote): Terran vs Protoss
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Ares[Effort]
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hi you never lose? i'm impressed, go to lans and dominate!
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Would be nice if there was some more content: Link to ladder rank, points, etc. I know it's not important but it'd be nice.
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I'm on the Grandmaster ladder, but I'll fix that asap, thanks!
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Looked at a few of those replays, very very well done.
I enjoyed it while learning some things =)
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Awesome, yeah I tried to post replays with some entertainment value, while still having some good lessons!
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T.O.P.
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Kind of misleading to start your id off with Liquid,
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Yeah I don't mean it to be, it's just a friendly/fun name I've had sense I started playing
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On April 27 2011 08:36 T.O.P. wrote:
Kind of misleading to start your id off with Liquid,
agreed. But maybe he has high aspirations.
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On April 27 2011 08:36 T.O.P. wrote:
Kind of misleading to start your id off with Liquid,
SolidWater and GaseousWater don't sound as cool.
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On April 27 2011 08:36 T.O.P. wrote:
Kind of misleading to start your id off with Liquid,
Though it is quite clever isn't it :D
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@Mailing, Haha, have to say I'd agree with that =)
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On April 27 2011 08:36 T.O.P. wrote:
Kind of misleading to start your id off with Liquid,
I think it would be silly to assume that because this website uses liquid as their clantag, that no one else would be allowed to use it in their ID. Thanks for the replay pack~
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Ares[Effort]
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I am not Water-x17 from BroodWar unfortunately. BUT I did play BW on my N64 so, pretty pro no doubt ha ha ^^.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
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@iNcontroL We actually played 4 games, first game lasted 25minutes + and I won, second you 3gate VR'd and I won, and the other 2 were more recent where you wern't prepared for an early attack that I use to lead into my third. And idk about a click I thought my micro was okay  . I wouldn't have posted them but you didn't. <3
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Feel blessed inc, he memorized his games vs you
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@Fallen33 Yeah I did, those were big games for me . I actually went onto his stream history to see if he said anything, and he said I blind countered him by 1rax FEing and waiting until he had a robotics bay to get vikings. Idk I was annoyed but I couldn't expect him to be ecstatic I guess.
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so you had the stream on while playing him? so you didn't blind counter him then.
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On April 27 2011 09:01 Fallen33 wrote:
so you had the stream on while playing him? so you didn't blind counter him then.
On April 27 2011 08:57 Leet wrote:
@Fallen33 I actually went onto his stream history to see if he said anything
before trolling read what people say, nice try though.
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On April 27 2011 09:01 Fallen33 wrote:
so you had the stream on while playing him? so you didn't blind counter him then.
get better at reading comprehension
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Great replay pack!
Ignore incontrol he is the most competitive teddy bear I have ever seen
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@Dubpace/Teivospy/Zapdos Thanks for your support, you are honorary troll police in my book!
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I can has troll merit badge too? o_o. I notice it but posting from a phone is hard.
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@Moody: Keep up the work and stomp a few trolls and I'll consider it moody .
@ cFAssassin: I'm just a everyday sc2 player who as of recently has had the honor of playing some exciting matches. I don't have a huge RTS past but I'm hoping for a great future.
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Thanks, always good to get top level terran replays.
I uploaded the replay pack to drop.sc to avoid the megaupload's 13 minute wait time: http://drop.sc/packs/92 .
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@slmw Cool thanks your support anything to make life easier for the viewer
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Oh your the guy that all in's IdrA and Sheth with marine scv banshee.... i c...
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On April 27 2011 09:20 K-Oicks wrote:
Oh your the guy that all in's IdrA and Sheth with marine scv banshee.... i c...
rofl
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You should upload that game against Sheth in which you marine banshee scv all/inned and failed, now THAT was entertainment :D
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been looking for new terran replay packs!
thanks bud! XD
p.s lol haters gonna hate.
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On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
Guess there wasn't much opposition on his opponet's side then.
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@Andrewwiggin- For sure happy to help! And I understand where they're coming from, IdrA And Sheth did a great job holding off my banshee play but as you might expect after a loss saving a replay isn't the first thing on my mind .
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i love it to see Terrans surpassing obvious PvT imbalance :D.
Thanks for the pack ;D
(im only joking please please dont start flaming :D:D)
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On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
incontrol why do you always get defensive when people post replays of you losing to them, but you just posted a replay pack yourself?
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On April 27 2011 09:47 bLuR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
incontrol why do you always get defensive when people post replays of you losing to them, but you just posted a replay pack yourself?
Because he's weird. Does he expect people he's 4 gated or proxied etc. to come into his thread and do the same? 'We played twice and you 4 gate me O_O.' Wtf is the point? I'm sure he's just 'joking' and he will refer to this thread and laugh at all of us on the next SOTG.
GL with your playing Leet, I dont like Terran (scum) so I probably won't download. 
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iNcontroL
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On April 27 2011 09:47 bLuR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
incontrol why do you always get defensive when people post replays of you losing to them, but you just posted a replay pack yourself?
I assume you are referring to the desrow thing?
So what, two times? The reason I posted anything in here is they were 8 minute games... in my rep pack there are almost no games below 20 minutes and certainly none of me doing a timing and winning...
Not sure why you always take jabs at me. If I had some epic game with him it'd be understandable...
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Well they were 8 minute games because they weren't close, and as Day9 says quick and decisive games are some of the best learning opportunities, which is why I posted this.
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I'm pretty sure all his games end in 8 minutes. Each time I've run into him its been some type of cheesy all-in. Ya... I wouldn't waste my time with this guy if I were you inc
None the less, gl to you liquidwater!
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Its fun to see liquidwater cheeses when he bms others for doing so.
Nice.
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good replays leet, keep up the good work!
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On April 27 2011 10:33 br0fivE wrote:
good replays leet, keep up the good work!
Thanks Broski! I'll do what I can, always happy to help any member of this awesome community.
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On April 27 2011 09:15 slmw wrote:Thanks, always good to get top level terran replays. I uploaded the replay pack to drop.sc to avoid the megaupload's 13 minute wait time: http://drop.sc/packs/92 .
Thanks I updated that link into the post!
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2-Base colossus all-inned this kid and he got mad, stating he was top 5 in NA and deserved better. I like his fake nice attitude on here though, real go-getter. I'm sure others who have faced him on ladder can confirm.
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Actually I beat you, that'd be an important thing to add. But yeah I've gotten mad on ladder before, but I'm trying to be polite to the community that I want to be a part of!
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Should've just made this a blog. Who are we kidding, you didn't post this to teach people how to play SC2.
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On April 27 2011 10:21 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 09:47 bLuR wrote:On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
incontrol why do you always get defensive when people post replays of you losing to them, but you just posted a replay pack yourself? I assume you are referring to the desrow thing? So what, two times? The reason I posted anything in here is they were 8 minute games... in my rep pack there are almost no games below 20 minutes and certainly none of me doing a timing and winning... Not sure why you always take jabs at me. If I had some epic game with him it'd be understandable...
If you consider that a jab you must be pretty sensitive, i'm just pointing out theres no need to defend yourself every time someone posts a replay of you losing, its not a personal shot at you the guy is obviously happy he beat you, no need to derail his thread. And just because you posted a replay pack with 20+ minute games doesn't mean people don't want replays of shorter games to see those scenarios too.
If you can chill, chill.
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I like these comments from top 50 NA players, making me LOL. Glad to see people lose to timing pushes at all levels.
I practice with LiquidWater and he rarely timing pushes which is weiiiird given these comments.
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On April 27 2011 11:31 Zeller wrote:
Should've just made this a blog. Who are we kidding, you didn't post this to teach people how to play SC2.
A.) I don't think "Who are we kidding" is vaild here
B.) I did take the time to post this so people could see some strats for the Terran race, I think the more builds we get out there the more people can be prepared and experienced in a variaty of play-styles; whether people learn from them and try to defend/pratice them, or just enjoy some fun sc2 replays I hope it has a positive effect on the TL community.
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On April 27 2011 11:35 Leet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 11:31 Zeller wrote:
Should've just made this a blog. Who are we kidding, you didn't post this to teach people how to play SC2. A.) I don't think "Who are we kidding" is vaild here B.) I did take the time to post this so people could see some strats for the Terran race, I think the more builds we get out there the more people can be prepared and experienced in a variaty of play-styles; whether people learn from them and try to defend/pratice them, or just enjoy some fun sc2 replays I hope it has a positive effect on the TL community.
That was the biggest pile of steaming crap I've read in a while. But alright I'm done with forum attack
as you were sir
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On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
a win is a win incontrol
if you couldnt answer to it
you lost to it
now man up
take your loss
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this shits better than 'days of our lives' 
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On April 27 2011 11:45 DuFFmAn69 wrote:this shits better than 'days of our lives'
Popcorn has never been more appropriate <3
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Who knew that releasing a grandmaster level replay pack would cause so much drama. Enjoy the games, whether it be for entertainment or learning purposes, I certainly did.
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Lol incontrol... mad when others post replays of him getting beat in supposedly "unskilled" fashions, yet puts under his belt the games he won vs. ensnare largely due to KR latency.
Sounds rational to me.
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so much QQ
a win is a win, fellas.
inc should know better
like hiding a pylon inside ur opponents base and warp in stuff... and then say "OH I WAS SO ASHAMED".... rofl
I'm glad Leet posted the games
who cares if it's biased coz he didnt post any reps of him losing, or posted some debatable cheeses all ins or timing attacks.....
I was entertained the whole time
please post MOAR
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lol i seriously dont understand why people are getting angry over a guy posting a replay pack of himself
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On April 27 2011 09:04 Teivospy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 09:01 Fallen33 wrote:
so you had the stream on while playing him? so you didn't blind counter him then. get better at reading comprehension
Instead of telling him why he is wrong, tell him ways he can improve like reading comprehension. I saw nothing of that sort in what you wrote
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On April 27 2011 10:21 iNcontroL wrote:
I assume you are referring to the desrow thing?
So what, two times? The reason I posted anything in here is they were 8 minute games... in my rep pack there are almost no games below 20 minutes and certainly none of me doing a timing and winning...
Not sure why you always take jabs at me. If I had some epic game with him it'd be understandable...
No one is taking jabs at you...play to win
8 minutes or 20+, doesn't particularly matter at the end of the match when you tap out
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iNcontroL
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On April 27 2011 11:33 bLuR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 10:21 iNcontroL wrote:On April 27 2011 09:47 bLuR wrote:On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
incontrol why do you always get defensive when people post replays of you losing to them, but you just posted a replay pack yourself? I assume you are referring to the desrow thing? So what, two times? The reason I posted anything in here is they were 8 minute games... in my rep pack there are almost no games below 20 minutes and certainly none of me doing a timing and winning... Not sure why you always take jabs at me. If I had some epic game with him it'd be understandable... If you consider that a jab you must be pretty sensitive, i'm just pointing out theres no need to defend yourself every time someone posts a replay of you losing, its not a personal shot at you the guy is obviously happy he beat you, no need to derail his thread. And just because you posted a replay pack with 20+ minute games doesn't mean people don't want replays of shorter games to see those scenarios too. If you can chill, chill.
Not sure what you think the definition of jab is.. I wasn't saying it hurt me or w/e just saying it was a jab you were taking.
A. "everytime" I've done this twice. And both times were because the reps in question were merely to announce beating me.. not actual gg's.
B. I didn't post 20 minute games to disprove people wanting to see 9 min games.. no idea how you associated that.
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iNcontroL
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On April 27 2011 11:44 MadCatZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
a win is a win incontrol if you couldnt answer to it you lost to it now man up take your loss
You guys are dumb lol
I DID take my loss.. I have no fucking problem with losing.
They were dumb games so posting the reps is stupid.. how the hell is this an odd concept to you guys? If they were half way decent games I'd have 0 problem lol
People are bringing up TLO, Ensnare wtf? I can never have an issue with anyone because everyone knows my life story lol
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On April 27 2011 11:59 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 11:33 bLuR wrote:On April 27 2011 10:21 iNcontroL wrote:On April 27 2011 09:47 bLuR wrote:On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
incontrol why do you always get defensive when people post replays of you losing to them, but you just posted a replay pack yourself? I assume you are referring to the desrow thing? So what, two times? The reason I posted anything in here is they were 8 minute games... in my rep pack there are almost no games below 20 minutes and certainly none of me doing a timing and winning... Not sure why you always take jabs at me. If I had some epic game with him it'd be understandable... If you consider that a jab you must be pretty sensitive, i'm just pointing out theres no need to defend yourself every time someone posts a replay of you losing, its not a personal shot at you the guy is obviously happy he beat you, no need to derail his thread. And just because you posted a replay pack with 20+ minute games doesn't mean people don't want replays of shorter games to see those scenarios too. If you can chill, chill. Not sure what you think the definition of jab is.. I wasn't saying it hurt me or w/e just saying it was a jab you were taking. A. "everytime" I've done this twice. And both times were because the reps in question were merely to announce beating me.. not actual gg's. B. I didn't post 20 minute games to disprove people wanting to see 9 min games.. no idea how you associated that.
Well I thought they were gg's, and Idk why I'd compliment you in a game then post soley to brag, I was happy with the games and with the state of TvP builds that are safe and economical need to be shown, in success.
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On April 27 2011 12:04 iNcontroL wrote:
They were dumb games so posting the reps is stupid.. how the hell is this an odd concept to you guys? If they were half way decent games I'd have 0 problem lol
I think you are in the relative minority if you think one-sided games are useless replays.
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Liquid Water Fighting! enjoyed those replays
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On April 27 2011 11:59 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 11:33 bLuR wrote:On April 27 2011 10:21 iNcontroL wrote:On April 27 2011 09:47 bLuR wrote:On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
incontrol why do you always get defensive when people post replays of you losing to them, but you just posted a replay pack yourself? I assume you are referring to the desrow thing? So what, two times? The reason I posted anything in here is they were 8 minute games... in my rep pack there are almost no games below 20 minutes and certainly none of me doing a timing and winning... Not sure why you always take jabs at me. If I had some epic game with him it'd be understandable... If you consider that a jab you must be pretty sensitive, i'm just pointing out theres no need to defend yourself every time someone posts a replay of you losing, its not a personal shot at you the guy is obviously happy he beat you, no need to derail his thread. And just because you posted a replay pack with 20+ minute games doesn't mean people don't want replays of shorter games to see those scenarios too. If you can chill, chill. Not sure what you think the definition of jab is.. I wasn't saying it hurt me or w/e just saying it was a jab you were taking. A. "everytime" I've done this twice. And both times were because the reps in question were merely to announce beating me.. not actual gg's. B. I didn't post 20 minute games to disprove people wanting to see 9 min games.. no idea how you associated that.
2 times, compared to everyone else who have never complained when people post replays of them losing. Why does your opinion matter on which games he should post in his replay pack? And saying "the only games i posted in my replay pack were 20+ minutes" is hinting that you think short games werent worth posting because they aren't ggs? No offence but you're really too stubborn and arrogant to argue with about anything.
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The scv allins made me giggle.
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On April 27 2011 12:10 Zinroc wrote:Liquid Water Fighting! enjoyed those replays
Simple and sweet, /cheer ! Thank's broski I appreciate it.
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incontrol why do you derail so many threads : ( the poor guys helping out the community and you dig on him because of the way he plays the game.
Thanks for putting this up leet, going to check them out soon :D <3
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I believe I watched 2 or 3 of the games where incontrol lost to liquidwater... he even was commenting that he knew what was coming and still failed to hold it (if i'm remembering correctly). It sure didn't look all-inish but I haven't watched the replays in this pack.
I think he mentioned it was a blind counter to his 3 gate expand. Either way, I think it's important for terrans to see because of that. Punish your opponent for a weakness.
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On April 27 2011 12:11 bLuR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 11:59 iNcontroL wrote:On April 27 2011 11:33 bLuR wrote:On April 27 2011 10:21 iNcontroL wrote:On April 27 2011 09:47 bLuR wrote:On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
incontrol why do you always get defensive when people post replays of you losing to them, but you just posted a replay pack yourself? I assume you are referring to the desrow thing? So what, two times? The reason I posted anything in here is they were 8 minute games... in my rep pack there are almost no games below 20 minutes and certainly none of me doing a timing and winning... Not sure why you always take jabs at me. If I had some epic game with him it'd be understandable... If you consider that a jab you must be pretty sensitive, i'm just pointing out theres no need to defend yourself every time someone posts a replay of you losing, its not a personal shot at you the guy is obviously happy he beat you, no need to derail his thread. And just because you posted a replay pack with 20+ minute games doesn't mean people don't want replays of shorter games to see those scenarios too. If you can chill, chill. Not sure what you think the definition of jab is.. I wasn't saying it hurt me or w/e just saying it was a jab you were taking. A. "everytime" I've done this twice. And both times were because the reps in question were merely to announce beating me.. not actual gg's. B. I didn't post 20 minute games to disprove people wanting to see 9 min games.. no idea how you associated that. 2 times, compared to everyone else who have never complained when people post replays of them losing. Why does your opinion matter on which games he should post in his replay pack? And saying "the only games i posted in my replay pack were 20+ minutes" is hinting that you think short games werent worth posting because they aren't ggs? No offence but you're really too stubborn and arrogant to argue with about anything.
I gotta say I do agree with you that it isn't necessary that he comment in this thread in the first place to say the games weren't even that good... obviously the guy was proud to beat a great player... and I was going to actually say that I agree with you, but then I finished reading the thread and realized you're pushing your opinion way too far.
You said he shouldn't get defensive about the replay being posted and that LiquidWater/Leet was simply happy to beat iNc, but you should have left it at that. Calling him stubborn and arrogant doesn't help.
In other words... no one should get worked up over this, and avoiding personal insults such as calling someone stubborn and arrogant is a good place to start.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
alright sorry guys had no idea I kicked a bees nest
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On April 27 2011 12:04 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 11:44 MadCatZ wrote:On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
a win is a win incontrol if you couldnt answer to it you lost to it now man up take your loss You guys are dumb lol I DID take my loss.. I have no fucking problem with losing. They were dumb games so posting the reps is stupid.. how the hell is this an odd concept to you guys? If they were half way decent games I'd have 0 problem lol People are bringing up TLO, Ensnare wtf? I can never have an issue with anyone because everyone knows my life story lol
He was just happy that he was able to beat you a few times. I'd be happy if I played you and won or lost TBH =P
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i think everyone is entitled to their own opinions, liquidwater thought the games were good, incontrol though they werent, end of story. stop bashing/praising one or the other and move past it, everyone drops a game or two and no one likes losing, who gives a hoot?
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On April 27 2011 12:24 iNcontroL wrote:
alright sorry guys had no idea I kicked a bees nest
I still love you long time <3 you rock, go get some State of the Game Action going!
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On April 27 2011 12:24 iNcontroL wrote:
alright sorry guys had no idea I kicked a bees nest
Why apologize? Was a good discussion. Better than 20 posts of a 'cool, thanks dude!' before the thread got buried. Now more people will want to DL the reps. You actually did him a favor.
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On April 27 2011 12:24 iNcontroL wrote:
alright sorry guys had no idea I kicked a bees nest
I'm quite sure the only bees nest here was your jimmies which were rustled thoroughly by two replays, I think an apology to water is due here
looking forward to seeing you on sotg though ily <3
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Incontrol is fine, he just doesn't like the idea of posting a replay pack with games that don't show much or anything to learn from. why so many people so critical of incontrol he's doing the best he can.
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"hey guis i lik luv to argue wit ppl cuz iM gud at it and if dat guy is a pro den fuk me its an erly xmas!!!"
blur - 2011
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Why are people so ungrateful
Water posted a replay pack, and his style of play is all-inning people and timing pushes, which obviously works since hes in the top 200. If you're playing in a tournament its always good to have an all-in or two up your sleeve to fuck with your opponent.
He called out Incontrol by putting his name in bold underlined letters! which suggests that the games were long and epic, and incontrol said that they were short timing attacks, then blur started arguing with him and everything exploded.
Chill out and enjoy the replays
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
Awesome dude, thanks for the pack need to work on my terran, saw you on ret/idra's stream a few times :>
too bad incontrol decided to derail the thread since he feels the need to defend himself when someone posts a rep of him losing (even though he does the same thing)
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On April 27 2011 12:35 Maliris wrote:Awesome dude, thanks for the pack need to work on my terran, saw you on ret/idra's stream a few times :> too bad incontrol decided to derail the thread since he feels the need to defend himself when someone posts a rep of him losing (even though he does the same thing)
It wasn't because he lost the game, it was because the games which he lost was only 9 minutes and wasn't a very good game...
The logic follows that LiquidWater first priority wasn't to post good games, just games where he beats famous people. EDIT: That's why iNcontrol was mad.
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On April 27 2011 12:38 Barca wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 12:35 Maliris wrote:Awesome dude, thanks for the pack need to work on my terran, saw you on ret/idra's stream a few times :> too bad incontrol decided to derail the thread since he feels the need to defend himself when someone posts a rep of him losing (even though he does the same thing) It wasn't because he lost the game, it was because the games which he lost was only 9 minutes and wasn't a very good game... The logic follows that LiquidWater first priority wasn't to post good games, just games where he beats famous people.
Who says it wasn't a GG? because it was a short game? Personally i enjoyed it. incontrol knows as good as anyone that no rush 20 isn't how SC2 is played (TLO point in case.)
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On April 27 2011 12:38 Barca wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 12:35 Maliris wrote:Awesome dude, thanks for the pack need to work on my terran, saw you on ret/idra's stream a few times :> too bad incontrol decided to derail the thread since he feels the need to defend himself when someone posts a rep of him losing (even though he does the same thing) It wasn't because he lost the game, it was because the games which he lost was only 9 minutes and wasn't a very good game... The logic follows that LiquidWater first priority wasn't to post good games, just games where he beats famous people.
My first priority was to post interesting games for either entertainment, or learning value. I accomplished this by posting games that A.) Would be interesting because of the participants, and B.) by posting games where I did a specific strat and it succeeded, so people could either learn from the build at a terrans perspective, or how to defend them.
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Is there any games people would recommend? all i found were SCV allins and other weird timings. It's definitely amusing but i was hoping to find longer games 
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On April 27 2011 12:35 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
Why are people so ungrateful
Water posted a replay pack, and his style of play is all-inning people and timing pushes, which obviously works since hes in the top 200. If you're playing in a tournament its always good to have an all-in or two up your sleeve to fuck with your opponent.
He called out Incontrol by putting his name in bold underlined letters! which suggests that the games were long and epic, and incontrol said that they were short timing attacks, then blur started arguing with him and everything exploded.
Chill out and enjoy the replays
I actually bolded and underlined them as a joke after he gave me a hard time, not before he posted, but after.
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I also vs'd this guy in a CW. He all'in'd me as well lols. Well on topic in the replay pack is there any replays of you losing as you allin? Would be interested to see some games where you lose so I can analyze what the zerg did correctly, because terran all-ins are a bit sketchy for me right now.
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My name if I was on the Liquid Team would be Liquid'Diarrhea
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On April 27 2011 12:40 Leet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 12:38 Barca wrote:On April 27 2011 12:35 Maliris wrote:Awesome dude, thanks for the pack need to work on my terran, saw you on ret/idra's stream a few times :> too bad incontrol decided to derail the thread since he feels the need to defend himself when someone posts a rep of him losing (even though he does the same thing) It wasn't because he lost the game, it was because the games which he lost was only 9 minutes and wasn't a very good game... The logic follows that LiquidWater first priority wasn't to post good games, just games where he beats famous people. My first priority was to post interesting games for either entertainment, or learning value. I accomplished this by posting games that A.) Would be interesting because of the participants, and B.) by posting games where I did a specific strat and it succeeded, so people could either learn from the build at a terrans perspective, or how to defend them.
However, there's a flaw there. GSL, NASL and IPL all have big names, they don't produce entertaining games or interesting just because of the names. See IdrA vs fenix in IPL for example or check the polls of all the recent days of the GSL and see if all have a resounding "yes" in the recommended games option. No offense, but some of the replays there just remind many of TSL_Rains and Bitbybitprime.WE, and well, you tell me if they are the most entertaining players in an overall community consensus. I'm sorry but more than half of the games weren't interesting, at all.
But you sounding so convinced that those games were entertaining and the fact you didn't think of a fourth option in the poll like "None seemed that good, interesting or w/e" reinforces that belief, which lead people like Incontrol and some others to a seemingly accurate perception you did this just to brag about beating some of the names we see in the aforeimented leagues.
I agree terrans may benefit from these somewhat refined build orders and strategies, but for any mid diamond and lower player it'll still come down to what both Artosis and Day[9] have already said plenty of times, you either overreact to an all-in or you lose. The refinement of the timings is something you don't see in neither player at this level, not very often at least.
I would re-check that "accomplished" if I were you, y'know, just so you don't come off as a dick who thinks his games are entertaining per se and not because the community gives you that answer.
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On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
I love how you always get butt hurt about things like this lol
Lighten up dude.. you give it, learn to take it
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On April 27 2011 12:26 Heaton31 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 12:24 iNcontroL wrote:
alright sorry guys had no idea I kicked a bees nest Why apologize? Was a good discussion. Better than 20 posts of a 'cool, thanks dude!' before the thread got buried. Now more people will want to DL the reps. You actually did him a favor.
Hahaha, this is so true.
Thanks for reps (:
incontrol man i dont think you should be harping on people for posting reps of you losing, its gonna happen especially since you are a well known figure now
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On April 27 2011 12:52 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 12:40 Leet wrote:On April 27 2011 12:38 Barca wrote:On April 27 2011 12:35 Maliris wrote:Awesome dude, thanks for the pack need to work on my terran, saw you on ret/idra's stream a few times :> too bad incontrol decided to derail the thread since he feels the need to defend himself when someone posts a rep of him losing (even though he does the same thing) It wasn't because he lost the game, it was because the games which he lost was only 9 minutes and wasn't a very good game... The logic follows that LiquidWater first priority wasn't to post good games, just games where he beats famous people. My first priority was to post interesting games for either entertainment, or learning value. I accomplished this by posting games that A.) Would be interesting because of the participants, and B.) by posting games where I did a specific strat and it succeeded, so people could either learn from the build at a terrans perspective, or how to defend them. However, there's a flaw there. GSL, NASL and IPL all have big names, they don't produce entertaining games or interesting just because of the names. See IdrA vs fenix in IPL for example or check the polls of all the recent days of the GSL and see if all have a resounding "yes" in the recommended games option. No offense, but some of the replays there just remind many of TSL_Rains and Bitbybitprime.WE, and well, you tell me if they are the most entertaining players in an overall community consensus. I'm sorry but more than half of the games weren't interesting, at all. But you sounding so convinced that those games were entertaining and the fact you didn't think of a fourth option in the poll like "None seemed that good, interesting or w/e" reinforces that belief, which lead people like Incontrol and some others to a seemingly accurate perception you did this just to brag about beating some of the names we see in the aforeimented leagues. I agree terrans may benefit from these somewhat refined build orders and strategies, but for any mid diamond and lower player it'll still come down to what both Artosis and Day[9] have already said plenty of times, you either overreact to an all-in or you lose. The refinement of the timings is something you don't see in neither player at this level, not very often at least. I would re-check that "accomplished" if I were you, y'know, just so you don't come off as a dick who thinks his games are entertaining per se and not because the community gives you that answer.
Just a real quick comment on this wall of text. A.) Me not putting in a negative poll for my thread is intuitive, it doesn't prove anything at all. B.) A good portion of these players have fans, and I enjoy watching games of my "Heroes" to see how they react to certain situations, whether they're interesting or not to every person in the world is irrelevant.
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On April 27 2011 08:34 NotPicard wrote:
Looked at a few of those replays, very very well done.
I enjoyed it while learning some things =)
You sir are my muse. Baller status awarded.
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On April 27 2011 12:04 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 11:44 MadCatZ wrote:On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
a win is a win incontrol if you couldnt answer to it you lost to it now man up take your loss You guys are dumb lol I DID take my loss.. I have no fucking problem with losing. They were dumb games so posting the reps is stupid.. how the hell is this an odd concept to you guys? If they were half way decent games I'd have 0 problem lol People are bringing up TLO, Ensnare wtf? I can never have an issue with anyone because everyone knows my life story lol
Aren't you supposed to be an adult and a public figure for the NASL tournament? I do not see the point in you having to resort to cursing in your posts at people who are probably years younger then you. Just do not reply at all. All you are doing at the moment is hurting your image.
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k who do I have to blow to get baller status
oh and thanks for the relays , I'm toss so ill be trying to pick them apart for good timing windows
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lol almost all of the replays are below 15 minutes. But nonetheless I learned a few things about some of the build you've done. The one with ROOTCatz was pretty funny. I'm gonna take the your 2 port banshee build but I'll make it less all innish thanks!
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hahahhaha Incontrol lost a game so he's defending himself. No ones perfect bro.
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I love your TvP style vs OptikZero. I think I'm going to copy it :>
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On April 27 2011 14:20 Sadistx wrote:
I love your TvP style vs OptikZero. I think I'm going to copy it :>
Haha, good to hear and feel free!
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As a bronze last season, and a current masters player. I can truely say Liquidwater has inspired me.
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On April 27 2011 14:22 cheeseheadco wrote:
As a bronze last season, and a current masters player. I can truely say Liquidwater has inspired me.
You sir, baller status all the way !
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Ah some nice builds to harvest here :D
Thanks for helping on my quest for masters.
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Lol Liquid should recruit this guy, liquid water lol =))
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On April 27 2011 14:37 hitman133 wrote:
Lol Liquid should recruit this guy, liquid water lol =))
We can only dream <3
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On April 27 2011 12:59 Leet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 12:52 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:On April 27 2011 12:40 Leet wrote:On April 27 2011 12:38 Barca wrote:On April 27 2011 12:35 Maliris wrote:Awesome dude, thanks for the pack need to work on my terran, saw you on ret/idra's stream a few times :> too bad incontrol decided to derail the thread since he feels the need to defend himself when someone posts a rep of him losing (even though he does the same thing) It wasn't because he lost the game, it was because the games which he lost was only 9 minutes and wasn't a very good game... The logic follows that LiquidWater first priority wasn't to post good games, just games where he beats famous people. My first priority was to post interesting games for either entertainment, or learning value. I accomplished this by posting games that A.) Would be interesting because of the participants, and B.) by posting games where I did a specific strat and it succeeded, so people could either learn from the build at a terrans perspective, or how to defend them. However, there's a flaw there. GSL, NASL and IPL all have big names, they don't produce entertaining games or interesting just because of the names. See IdrA vs fenix in IPL for example or check the polls of all the recent days of the GSL and see if all have a resounding "yes" in the recommended games option. No offense, but some of the replays there just remind many of TSL_Rains and Bitbybitprime.WE, and well, you tell me if they are the most entertaining players in an overall community consensus. I'm sorry but more than half of the games weren't interesting, at all. But you sounding so convinced that those games were entertaining and the fact you didn't think of a fourth option in the poll like "None seemed that good, interesting or w/e" reinforces that belief, which lead people like Incontrol and some others to a seemingly accurate perception you did this just to brag about beating some of the names we see in the aforeimented leagues. I agree terrans may benefit from these somewhat refined build orders and strategies, but for any mid diamond and lower player it'll still come down to what both Artosis and Day[9] have already said plenty of times, you either overreact to an all-in or you lose. The refinement of the timings is something you don't see in neither player at this level, not very often at least. I would re-check that "accomplished" if I were you, y'know, just so you don't come off as a dick who thinks his games are entertaining per se and not because the community gives you that answer. Just a real quick comment on this wall of text. A.) Me not putting in a negative poll for my thread is intuitive, it doesn't prove anything at all. B.) A good portion of these players have fans, and I enjoy watching games of my "Heroes" to see how they react to certain situations, whether they're interesting or not to every person in the world is irrelevant.
Thank you for proving my point.
Cheers!
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On April 27 2011 14:34 Unhallowed wrote:
Ah some nice builds to harvest here :D
Thanks for helping on my quest for masters.
Glad to see a player looking to improve I hope these replays help!
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I should switch to Terran, shit looks easy.
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On April 27 2011 14:34 Unhallowed wrote:
Ah some nice builds to harvest here :D
Thanks for helping on my quest for masters.
Haha I haven't seen the word harvest in so long I have to appreciate it, thank you sir!
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Nice stuff, LiquidWater. Keep it up!
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On April 27 2011 12:10 Zinroc wrote:Liquid Water Fighting! enjoyed those replays
Glad to hear you enjoyed the replays, but I think the pronunciation is LiquidWater HWhighting
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I think its crazy how harsh this thread has been. Even if he posted the replays just to get his name out there its not like that's so terrible. He didn't come here talking a bunch of shit, it's just a replay pack with notable players.
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Thanks for uploading some replays.
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I can attest to how good his TvZ all-ins are, I don't think I've taken a single game off of them, and I certainly don't look forward to all of the other Ts in ladder taking the 2port build and using it against me.. Anyhow, pretty nice rep pack, glad to see I'm not in the list, and personally I think the short games are better than 20+ min games just because you get to see the build being executed perfectly rather than having to adapt to the situation. Like the recent Haypro pack had a good mix of long and short games as well. I wish there was a way to not show names in replays so that no one has to have the "shame" of losing when people post things like that, because I understand how Incontrol feels but I also recognize the contribution these replays give to the community of T players. It's a double edged sword t.t, maybe asking permission would be a more reasonable alternative to not posting at all.
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Everyone knows it sucks to lose, but do you think Jaedong is like, "Oh no, they are going to show me losing!" when he's playing for thousands to see?
Losing is a fact of the game, and the fact that the main faces in the foreign scene are always so butthurt about losing (inc, art, idra) is really sad. You'd think after 11 years these kids would have learned to man up.
I'm sure team coaches forbid their players from whining/getting into arguments on forums. There's no post game interview where the losing player is like, "he only beat me because he used cheesy allins. i'm actually the better player that deserved to win". The only result of such arguments is a poor perception of the complainer. There's nothing to be gained.
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congrats on your recent success but i do not enjoy watching your style of play...i hope from these replays we can better learn how to recognize and stop all-ins
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I've played vs liquid a number of times, although some might consider him cheesy. I think TvZ requires a level of unorthodox play, considering against a regular 2 base terran will allow me to get to 80 drones in 11 minutes where as vs liquid he'll keep me guessing cause I know hes a bastard.
Incontrol defending himself is laughable being that the 4 games I've played against him have been cannons and 4gates. Keep on trucking Geoff
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On April 27 2011 14:49 Leet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 14:34 Unhallowed wrote:
Ah some nice builds to harvest here :D
Thanks for helping on my quest for masters. Haha I haven't seen the word harvest in so long I have to appreciate it, thank you sir!
Harvest
:D
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On April 27 2011 15:58 Whomp wrote:
I've played vs liquid a number of times, although some might consider him cheesy. I think TvZ requires a level of unorthodox play, considering against a regular 2 base terran will allow me to get to 80 drones in 11 minutes where as vs liquid he'll keep me guessing cause I know hes a bastard.
Incontrol defending himself is laughable being that the 4 games I've played against him have been cannons and 4gates. Keep on trucking Geoff
LOL yea Inc is pretty cheesy at times him getting all butthurt about someone posting replays they are proud of is pretty childish. "they dont stack up to my high standard of play so im going to shit on this guy because im butthurt that he beat me" is what i heard. Meh thats pretty hypocritical of him though considering alot of the games ive seen him play have been very cheesy especially in tournaments, i think cannon rushing or "hoping" a pylon in someones base doesnt get found is far less calculated and more luck based then someone doing a nice early well executed timing. Way to go geoff you really showed this guy! 
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I can't believe you people.
It's a free top tier (ladder-wise at least) replay pack, just take it and be thankful. Or don't take it and still be thankful because it's free stuff you can't normally get (if you're not a top player in your region), and it's a lot better having threads that contribute in some way than another "Latest GSL statistics - is PvZ really balanced?" or "I'm still too scared to ladder" bullshit filler threads.
As for posting only replays of games he won, he's hardly the first person to do that, and won't be the last either. You're not really going to post games in which you played shit or played tired or drunk in a TL replay pack, OF COURSE you want to present yourself in the best possible way playing the best games you can.
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Thanks for the replays . And yeah, if you only need 8-12mins to win then you should do that, and personally i find shorter games much more valuable to learn from, seeing as in the longer 20+min games it's really more about mechanics and such, rather than a strategy which i can copy. If that makes sense
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Think i've played this guy afew times, but he played solid. Not buying the cheesy accusations. I dont recall any scv-allins from him which almost every terran seems to do these days.
Good player.
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On April 27 2011 10:32 NaYeBo wrote:
Its fun to see liquidwater cheeses when he bms others for doing so.
Nice.
On April 27 2011 11:25 pooMonger wrote:
2-Base colossus all-inned this kid and he got mad, stating he was top 5 in NA and deserved better. I like his fake nice attitude on here though, real go-getter. I'm sure others who have faced him on ladder can confirm.
lol !! i can definitely relate and confirm these.
thread is interesting, thread is interesting. 
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Yo Liquid! It's Geney, your clan mate. Awesome replays, really enjoyed the replay pack very much Keep em coming!
P.s: Did you join the merger with VP?
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i love all you people jumping the band wagon to hate on incontrol when he posts something like that yet everyday these forums are full of people who troll and insult 24-7.
he defends himself once and OMG HES AN ICON HE CANT ACT LIKE THAT.
no, he's human. get over it.
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Incontrol trolled all of you very hard and you bited, its actually funny how everyone turns against him for nothing lol
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On April 27 2011 08:37 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 08:36 T.O.P. wrote:
Kind of misleading to start your id off with Liquid, SolidWater and GaseousWater don't sound as cool.
Hahahaha, well played sir.
Thanks for the replay pack!
Please go to tourneys? You're too gosu, one new fan right here!
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INCONTROL,
put yourself in his shoes. He's an still unknown player, with obvious aspirations of going pro or whatever.
He just beat fucking EG.iNcontrol and is probably pretty ecstatic about just being able to play with the big boys, and taking a win, even if it's not after an epic macro fest, is pretty huge. He is happy (and should be), and we should allow him to enjoy it and preferably be happy with him.
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^pretty sure there are heaps of nobodies that take games off of progamers, nothing special. Just that this guy is the first to make a big deal out of it, and himself as well
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On April 27 2011 21:12 Cubu wrote:
^pretty sure there are heaps of nobodies that take games off of progamers, nothing special. Just that this guy is the first to make a big deal out of it, and himself as well
put yourself in his shoes, that's the whole point.
If you've never beaten a pro, then you can't know what it feels like, but you can use your imagination.
If you're beating them consistently, remember how it first felt to beat one.
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I can attest to how fun it is to beat someone famous. I nearly beat Grubby once back in WC3, and it's still the highlight of my career as a player. ^_^
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Thanks for the games, LW- I'll have to check 'em out! Sorry to see so much animosity, here- for some reason people feel the need to dump all over this thread. If we're going to call ourselves a community, that's not quite how we build it. Anybody here ever attend kindergarten?
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My my liquidwater , you sure have a nice thread going here, I am very impressed haha, anyways I just wanted to say liquid was part of 1nsanity and I had the pleasure of being his manager and watching him grow. Yeah he might have some all in strats but he does know how to play a macro game if he needs to. After the merger to VP We have went our own ways but I will always be his friend because he is a great player and he has always been a nice guy to me. Anyways I hope a great team will pick him up and also hope does very well in Starcraft2, he deserves it and also I did love the replays, I already used the 2 starport play, might have to use a few more now . Good luck to you Water and don’t forget me when you become famous on Sc2!!! Haha J *
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On April 27 2011 11:48 Diaspora wrote:
Who knew that releasing a grandmaster level replay pack would cause so much drama. Enjoy the games, whether it be for entertainment or learning purposes, I certainly did.
I am pretty surprised myself, we'll have to see how things pan out but it's been a fun ride thus far
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Will you start streaming any time soon?
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On April 27 2011 10:21 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 09:47 bLuR wrote:On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
incontrol why do you always get defensive when people post replays of you losing to them, but you just posted a replay pack yourself? I assume you are referring to the desrow thing? So what, two times? The reason I posted anything in here is they were 8 minute games... in my rep pack there are almost no games below 20 minutes and certainly none of me doing a timing and winning... Not sure why you always take jabs at me. If I had some epic game with him it'd be understandable...
I agree with incontrol here 100%... it's the most annoying thing in the world when players post replay packs "I beat these famous players!" but they're quick rush games that don't actually demonstrate excellent play... maybe a build-order loss, or just a mistake, which doesn't teach anyone anything.
On April 27 2011 16:52 Talin wrote:
I can't believe you people.
It's a free top tier (ladder-wise at least) replay pack, just take it and be thankful. Or don't take it and still be thankful because it's free stuff you can't normally get (if you're not a top player in your region)
I have absolutely no clue why you think that "free" means "you can't be critical". That's absurd... criticism exists as a means of improving the quality of things we have access to. It's not something you purchase the "right" to do with money. Stop being silly.
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thanks for the replays.. i am a little disappointed at the quality of the games :D
next time include some losses and possibly more games over 13 minutes in length!
thanks!
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On April 27 2011 13:31 Limenade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 12:04 iNcontroL wrote:On April 27 2011 11:44 MadCatZ wrote:On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
a win is a win incontrol if you couldnt answer to it you lost to it now man up take your loss You guys are dumb lol I DID take my loss.. I have no fucking problem with losing. They were dumb games so posting the reps is stupid.. how the hell is this an odd concept to you guys? If they were half way decent games I'd have 0 problem lol People are bringing up TLO, Ensnare wtf? I can never have an issue with anyone because everyone knows my life story lol Aren't you supposed to be an adult and a public figure for the NASL tournament? I do not see the point in you having to resort to cursing in your posts at people who are probably years younger then you. Just do not reply at all. All you are doing at the moment is hurting your image.
Oh give me a break. It's so cowardly to take potshots like this at someone just because you know they won't strike back. Just because someone is a "public figure" doesn't mean you have the right to nitpick and patronize them over everything. Let me guess, next they should stop swearing on SOTG because they're all adults and public figures? Go away.
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On April 27 2011 14:37 hitman133 wrote:
Lol Liquid should recruit this guy, liquid water lol =))
I think they should recruit Byun
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On April 27 2011 23:51 Kira__ wrote:
BIT BYYYY BIIIIIIIIIT lol read this in the voices of tastosis, made me laugh
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2racks into 2port banshee.. your builds are just surprise tactics.. maybe one win then never work again >_>
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On April 27 2011 20:56 niteReloaded wrote:
INCONTROL,
put yourself in his shoes. He's an still unknown player, with obvious aspirations of going pro or whatever.
He just beat fucking EG.iNcontrol and is probably pretty ecstatic about just being able to play with the big boys, and taking a win, even if it's not after an epic macro fest, is pretty huge. He is happy (and should be), and we should allow him to enjoy it and preferably be happy with him.
I'm inclined to agree with this guy. This water guy has probably put in a lot of time and effort to his passion towards the game. Let the guy have some fame. He has beat a lot of big names out there, and I wouldn't be suprised if we saw more of him later!
Be proud of your results, no matter what.
Hell, I still have this replay from beta when I beat TLO in a Tron Cars (stupid custom map). Although it means nothing, its still a feat that I'm proud about.
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On April 28 2011 00:51 lgd-haze wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 20:56 niteReloaded wrote:
INCONTROL,
put yourself in his shoes. He's an still unknown player, with obvious aspirations of going pro or whatever.
He just beat fucking EG.iNcontrol and is probably pretty ecstatic about just being able to play with the big boys, and taking a win, even if it's not after an epic macro fest, is pretty huge. He is happy (and should be), and we should allow him to enjoy it and preferably be happy with him. I'm inclined to agree with this guy. This water guy has probably put in a lot of time and effort to his passion towards the game. Let the guy have some fame. He has beat a lot of big names out there, and I wouldn't be suprised if we saw more of him later! Be proud of your results, no matter what. Hell, I still have this replay from beta when I beat TLO in a Tron Cars (stupid custom map). Although it means nothing, its still a feat that I'm proud about.
NO!
no
these posts are whats making TL such a joke now.
this is obviously a showoff thread with no educational or even interesting content.
Pro players rarely have a win rate of more than 60% or higher. Does that mean that 40% of the 1000 people they've played should go post a replay pack with shitty 7 minute games of them winning?
"Liquid" Water or blur or leet or whatever the hell his name is just shouts attention whore and immature child. His tl name is fucking 'leet'. I just hate the way he responded to incontrol and i dont see what this thread is doing in TLs SCII section.
This belongs in the blog section or his facebook page some shit.
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On April 28 2011 00:59 lol.Froste wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 00:51 lgd-haze wrote:On April 27 2011 20:56 niteReloaded wrote:
INCONTROL,
put yourself in his shoes. He's an still unknown player, with obvious aspirations of going pro or whatever.
He just beat fucking EG.iNcontrol and is probably pretty ecstatic about just being able to play with the big boys, and taking a win, even if it's not after an epic macro fest, is pretty huge. He is happy (and should be), and we should allow him to enjoy it and preferably be happy with him. I'm inclined to agree with this guy. This water guy has probably put in a lot of time and effort to his passion towards the game. Let the guy have some fame. He has beat a lot of big names out there, and I wouldn't be suprised if we saw more of him later! Be proud of your results, no matter what. Hell, I still have this replay from beta when I beat TLO in a Tron Cars (stupid custom map). Although it means nothing, its still a feat that I'm proud about. NO! no these posts are whats making TL such a joke now. this is obviously a showoff thread with no educational or even interesting content. Pro players rarely have a win rate of more than 60% or higher. Does that mean that 40% of the 1000 people they've played should go post a replay pack with shitty 7 minute games of them winning? "Liquid" Water or blur or leet or whatever the hell his name is just shouts attention whore and immature child. His tl name is fucking 'leet'. I just hate the way he responded to incontrol and i dont see what this thread is doing in TLs SCII section. This belongs in the blog section or his facebook page some shit.
Wow, do you go into every replay thread and say this? He is a decent player and wanted to show his replays to us so that some terrans might learn from him. Give him a break and stop being a dick.
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On April 28 2011 00:59 lol.Froste wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 00:51 lgd-haze wrote:On April 27 2011 20:56 niteReloaded wrote:
INCONTROL,
put yourself in his shoes. He's an still unknown player, with obvious aspirations of going pro or whatever.
He just beat fucking EG.iNcontrol and is probably pretty ecstatic about just being able to play with the big boys, and taking a win, even if it's not after an epic macro fest, is pretty huge. He is happy (and should be), and we should allow him to enjoy it and preferably be happy with him. I'm inclined to agree with this guy. This water guy has probably put in a lot of time and effort to his passion towards the game. Let the guy have some fame. He has beat a lot of big names out there, and I wouldn't be suprised if we saw more of him later! Be proud of your results, no matter what. Hell, I still have this replay from beta when I beat TLO in a Tron Cars (stupid custom map). Although it means nothing, its still a feat that I'm proud about. NO! no these posts are whats making TL such a joke now. this is obviously a showoff thread with no educational or even interesting content. Pro players rarely have a win rate of more than 60% or higher. Does that mean that 40% of the 1000 people they've played should go post a replay pack with shitty 7 minute games of them winning? "Liquid" Water or blur or leet or whatever the hell his name is just shouts attention whore and immature child. His tl name is fucking 'leet'. I just hate the way he responded to incontrol and i dont see what this thread is doing in TLs SCII section. This belongs in the blog section or his facebook page some shit.
I just read the OP again maybe you should to. Title says replay pack which it clearly includes also in the OP is:
Hey I am a top 20Terran player on the NA server, I've been saving some of the games I've played that are against well known players, or just fun in general, enjoy!
Also in the OP is:
Thank's for all the support and enjoy the games! On a sexy note I do provide lessons for my Terran friends for twenty dollars and hour, feel free to pm me for more details.
Why no one can't see him mentioning the names in his replay pack as adding a sort of credibility to his thread is beyond me. You know like a reference for a guy selling a book saying that he is a New York Times bestselling author or something. Instead people are looking at it completely negative and being defensive of the players he beat in those replays when it clearly states games against top players or fun in general. It didnt say anything about this is my style you should learn it. He posted exactly what he advertised in his OP games against top players. His OP didnt say OMG I beat the ROFL.
Maybe he doesnt have pro experience and these replays are a way of him getting his name out there a little bit whats the harm in that. I mean everyone in grandmasters plays each other you don't think they beat each other? I think some of the side hostility is coming from his name too. Its not his name on the forums so what does it matter if he used that on B.Net. Im sure if we could have custom avatars on TL people would have all kinds of pictures of blue horse heads running all over the place.
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Thanks! Will definitely watch this.
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Beyonder
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Stop hating in this thread. Be happy he posts the replays, quite a few people seem to enjoy it and that is enough. Cant believe how people respond to this.. so sad :\
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On April 28 2011 01:16 Beyonder wrote:
Stop hating in this thread. Be happy he posts the replays, quite a few people seem to enjoy it and that is enough. Cant believe how people respond to this.. so sad :\
I know right? I'm protoss and I hate getting hit with early rushes but I didn't come in here and start destroying everything. He had some good games in there and he is a decent player. Give him props and DL his reps or just don't post. Pretty simple.
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While this thread is truly a shameful display of petty bickering, it has alerted to me to a serious issue in the SC2 community.
We need to agree upon a set standard to determine whether or not an honorable victory was achieved in a given game of Starcraft 2. I propose that a game that ends with a unit blob with a circumference of no less than 100 pixels to be the minimum standard for a legitimate win and thereby allowable for inclusion into replay packs, bragging rights, namedropping on coaching resumes, and what have you..
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On April 27 2011 09:47 bLuR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 08:47 iNcontroL wrote:
we played 2 games and you rushed 4 medivacs and "a" moved to win
O_O
incontrol why do you always get defensive when people post replays of you losing to them, but you just posted a replay pack yourself?
I agree 100%
rofl@incontrol seriously idk why you care that he posted games of you losing no matter how "good" or "bad" the games were... Who cares.. .Seriously.. Everyone loses.. Do you see anyone else bitching about the games that were posted against them?
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On April 28 2011 01:33 floor exercise wrote:
While this thread is truly a shameful display of petty bickering, it has alerted to me to a serious issue in the SC2 community.
We need to agree upon a set standard to determine whether or not an honorable victory was achieved in a given game of Starcraft 2. I propose that a game that ends with a unit blob with a circumference of no less than 100 pixels to be the minimum standard for a legitimate win and thereby allowable for inclusion into replay packs, bragging rights, namedropping on coaching resumes, and what have you..
Rofl 100 pixels. I love it
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Fuck I meant radius, I have inadvertently opened the floodgates for cheesers
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Nice replays. Thanks a lot for uploading.
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On April 28 2011 01:33 floor exercise wrote:
While this thread is truly a shameful display of petty bickering, it has alerted to me to a serious issue in the SC2 community.
We need to agree upon a set standard to determine whether or not an honorable victory was achieved in a given game of Starcraft 2. I propose that a game that ends with a unit blob with a circumference of no less than 100 pixels to be the minimum standard for a legitimate win and thereby allowable for inclusion into replay packs, bragging rights, namedropping on coaching resumes, and what have you..
Soooo funnyXD
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On April 28 2011 01:33 floor exercise wrote:
While this thread is truly a shameful display of petty bickering, it has alerted to me to a serious issue in the SC2 community.
We need to agree upon a set standard to determine whether or not an honorable victory was achieved in a given game of Starcraft 2. I propose that a game that ends with a unit blob with a circumference of no less than 100 pixels to be the minimum standard for a legitimate win and thereby allowable for inclusion into replay packs, bragging rights, namedropping on coaching resumes, and what have you..
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On April 28 2011 02:07 floor exercise wrote:
Fuck I meant radius, I have inadvertently opened the floodgates for cheesers
had me rolling on the floor laughing.
On a related note. Thank you for putting up your replays OP.
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Nice Reps.
I like that you put in a variety of game types. Day 9 even said there is a ton to be learned from short games. InControl may be a little butthurt, but learning strong timings is a great thing for players that are trying to expand their Terran build repertoire. Everybody loses some games and incontrol needs to not worry about some of his losses getting out. It's not like anybody is thinking, "oh shit, liquidwater beat InControl, Incontrol is complete buttshit, we hate him now." It is the opposite, we know how good the guy is, so it adds validity to the techniques you used that took games off him. I didn't see any of the other players complaining about the games you posted.
Thanks again man! =DDDDD
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On April 28 2011 04:19 HarryHood wrote:
Nice Reps.
I like that you put in a variety of game types. Day 9 even said there is a ton to be learned from short games. InControl may be a little butthurt, but learning strong timings is a great thing for players that are trying to expand their Terran build repertoire. Everybody loses some games and incontrol needs to not worry about some of his losses getting out. It's not like anybody is thinking, "oh shit, liquidwater beat InControl, Incontrol is complete buttshit, we hate him now." It is the opposite, we know how good the guy is, so it adds validity to the techniques you used that took games off him. I didn't see any of the other players complaining about the games you posted.
Thanks again man! =DDDDD
No worries and I'm glad you can view this in such a positive manor, keep up being awesome Sir Hood!
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Lol, anyone who actually thinks incontrol is "butthurt" over this has some ridiculously thin skin.
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OP is playing vs Idra on Idra's stream right now..
edit: he did scv all in =/ lol Idra barely holds it
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On April 28 2011 05:03 elmizzt wrote:
Lol, anyone who actually thinks incontrol is "butthurt" over this has some ridiculously thin skin.
Obviously he's not "butthurt", people are just irritated at his immaturity.
Good all-ins, bud. I'm watching you play IdrA on his stream right now.
+ Show Spoiler +I hope he smashes you, Terran scum! =P
EDIT AFTER GAME:
+ Show Spoiler +You all-inned the shit out of him and lost, Terran scum!
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Lol you guys are right, hes doing scv marine hellion banshee all in on stream right now.
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he just marined banshee scv'd allin against idra, not a good thing if you're trying to promote yourself.
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On April 28 2011 05:11 stk01001 wrote:
OP is playing vs Idra on Idra's stream right now..
edit: he did scv all in =/ lol Idra barely holds it
He didn't win.
EDIT: oh gg you edit @.@
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Oh damn, round 2.
"Leet", I don't suppose you'll be posting the replays of IdrA holding your all-ins, will you? I thought they were pretty good games and learning experiences.
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Even though you cheesed IdrA and lost, still entertaining. Nice job man!
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lol im sure alot of ppl saw him fail all-in vs idra.
no sympathy for you "leet"
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He's playing vs IdrA right now, on IdrA's stream. =)
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haha, " you do this same dumbass cheese every game? "
"pretty much yeah"
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bit by bitting like a pro
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Lmfao, IdrA holding his all-in again the exact same way.
He probably doesn't realize this is being streamed to everybody. Not good for the street cred.
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I agree with iNcontroL here, wasn't sure if i should say something or not cause it may sound whiny but I will now, Water is a low-caliber-all-in-only player, HOWEVER master yoda would say:
At all ins, very good you are, young padawan.
(i haven't seen the replay pack i noticed there's replays of me, so hopefully for each one of me losing there's a bunch of me winning, just to be fair to the real ratio)
:D ok im bm =).
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Hahahaha, IdrA completely schooled this guy doing the same build over and over.
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haha IdrA eating up all the cheese OP throws at him on stream right now.
"you do this same dumbass cheese every game?"
"pretty much yea"
lol and idra holds
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CatZ don't be hating. We need people like him... so we can point our fingers at him... and say... he's the bad guy.
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On April 28 2011 05:24 CatZ.root wrote:
I agree with iNcontroL here, wasn't sure if i should say something or not cause it may sound whiny but I will now, Water is a low-caliber-all-in-only player, HOWEVER master yoda would say:
At all ins, very good you are, young padawan.
(i haven't seen the replay pack i noticed there's replays of me, so hopefully for each one of me losing there's a bunch of me winning, just to be fair to the real ratio)
:D ok im bm =).
haha youre right. he played idra today 2 times on stream. both games hellions into 2 banshee scv train marine allin :D
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Just watched this guy cheese IdrA on stream and fail twice. What a great player.
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Heh, free wins for idra.
I like Water though, he admits to it and is still polite.
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He keeps trying the same all-in over and over versus Idra :O
His playstyle matches his personality perfectly though ^^
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Oh sweet I have been trying to improve my cheese lately.
This is just perfect! Thanks ^^
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Haha, looks like I know em' when I see em'. Good to see this low-caliber-all-inner isn't getting the positive reaction he was seeking. Justice prevails.
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What are the odds of me reading through this thread and then clicking on Idra's stream, only to find him PLAYING AGAINST LIQUIDWATER. This guy is a cheese master and deserves not even a golf clap.
This is how the game went:
2 Rax Marine+scv timing attack, Idra holds it off
Idra: "You do this same dumbass cheese every game?"
LiquidWater: "Pretty much yeah"
Next comes two banshee, Idra holds with 3 queen
ALL IN Hellion+every scv+marine+banshee, Idra holds with mutas+drone+queen transfuse
LiquidWater: "gg wp"
This kid is a joke.
P.S. LiquidWater tried this twice in a row, same result.
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Would you go straight up vs IdrA? Maybe just so he could show me holes in my play
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Do the Idra fanboys really need to come in and act like idiots? You already do it in every other thread on this board.
This guy is obviously nice and enjoying the way he plays the game, cheese/all-in's are part of Starcraft 2 so get over it.
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On April 27 2011 16:52 Talin wrote:
I can't believe you people.
It's a free top tier (ladder-wise at least) replay pack, just take it and be thankful. Or don't take it and still be thankful because it's free stuff you can't normally get (if you're not a top player in your region), and it's a lot better having threads that contribute in some way than another "Latest GSL statistics - is PvZ really balanced?" or "I'm still too scared to ladder" bullshit filler threads.
As for posting only replays of games he won, he's hardly the first person to do that, and won't be the last either. You're not really going to post games in which you played shit or played tired or drunk in a TL replay pack, OF COURSE you want to present yourself in the best possible way playing the best games you can.
Pretty much this, people need to just chill and take it or leave it.
Constructive criticism couldn't hurt the guy, but there's no need for hate.
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On April 28 2011 05:27 aLuLz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 05:24 CatZ.root wrote:
I agree with iNcontroL here, wasn't sure if i should say something or not cause it may sound whiny but I will now, Water is a low-caliber-all-in-only player, HOWEVER master yoda would say:
At all ins, very good you are, young padawan.
(i haven't seen the replay pack i noticed there's replays of me, so hopefully for each one of me losing there's a bunch of me winning, just to be fair to the real ratio)
:D ok im bm =). haha youre right. he played idra today 2 times on stream. both games hellions into 2 banshee scv train marine allin :D
first he goes two rax with marine aggression. then he goes factory to get some hellions and then starport immediately to mass banshees. then he pulls every scv he has and tries to break the ramp with marines, banshees, hellions, and scv.
This is what IdrA said to him: Do you do this dumbass cheese every game?
WaterLiquid: Pretty much yeah.
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He may cheese quite a bit, but at least he's mannered about it.
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That marine pressure into banshee/helion/marine SCV all in would be like impossible for everyone but idra to stop Although it is cheesey I give props.
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On April 28 2011 05:31 Ruyguy wrote:That marine pressure into banshee/helion/marine SCV all in would be like impossible for everyone but idra to stop Although it is cheesey I give props.
It looks hard to stop because IdrA doesn't get banelings vs all those marine/scv.
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He is very allinish but I can guarante 95% zergs here would die from those sick marine/hellion/banshee/scv allins lol
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Why is everyone being so rude? So this guy "all-in'd" IdrA. Who cares? Cheese or not, he left the game with manner and is top 50 in the GM league. Better than most of you will ever be.
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High level players need to be tested vs every strategy. Clearly Idra has a lot of experience with "dumbass allins" and was able to crush it easily. Lots of other top tier players probably fail when the allin hits, and the only way they're ever going to learn how to beat it is by actually playing against it.
Do I think this guy deserves to be called a high level player? Of course not. Tournament results are the only thing that matters to the top level players, and until he proves himself in a tournament he'll continue to be a nobody, no matter what his ladder rank is.
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OP... Thank you for the replays!!! I HATE losing to cheesy builds like yours and by posting them you are teaching me how to recognize and respond to them effectively.
Haters gonna hate, trolls gonna feed. @everyone: Learn what you can from the replays...don't be a troll
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I don't like this guy because, to me, cheese is the equivalent of steroids. You get wins without putting in real work to the game and the "skill" as all artificial. I feel the same way about this guy as I do about Barry Bonds.
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On April 28 2011 05:36 svefnleysi wrote:
Why is everyone being so rude? So this guy "all-in'd" IdrA. Who cares? Cheese or not, he left the game with manner and is top 50 in the GM league. Better than most of you will ever be.
now now son, your asking why ppl are being rude, when being rude yourself.. i dont get it
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So I guess it is only "play to win" when MC does it.
I personally think constantly all-inning at that level is pointless because you are basically throwing away free practice games against top players that could really help you improve, but posting here to insult the guy for the way he plays is not only pointless, it's sad.
If you're already watching IdrA's stream, focus on learning how to play from him instead of learning how to trash talk people on the internets. It's much more useful in the long run.
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On April 27 2011 16:52 Talin wrote:
I can't believe you people.
It's a free top tier (ladder-wise at least) replay pack, just take it and be thankful. Or don't take it and still be thankful because it's free stuff you can't normally get (if you're not a top player in your region), and it's a lot better having threads that contribute in some way than another "Latest GSL statistics - is PvZ really balanced?" or "I'm still too scared to ladder" bullshit filler threads.
As for posting only replays of games he won, he's hardly the first person to do that, and won't be the last either. You're not really going to post games in which you played shit or played tired or drunk in a TL replay pack, OF COURSE you want to present yourself in the best possible way playing the best games you can.
"He isn't the first person to do that" is a fallacy, and really has no bearing on whether or not you should do it. No1 is saying post drunk replays, but you can still lose games when you play at your best. I get really annoyed with any1 who tries to do this, to me it just screams arrogance when 100% of the replays you post are you winning.
I mean he posts two replays of all inning incontrol saying that its useful to upload boring games because they can teach you about the build and w.e. Isn't watching the build fail just as useful to determine its weak points and look for improvements? On top of that this guy's really fucking cheesy. He all ins and takes his wins yes, but if you actually look at the games hes hardly a top tier player.
On April 28 2011 05:42 Talin wrote:
So I guess it is only "play to win" when MC does it.
I personally think constantly all-inning at that level is pointless because you are basically throwing away free practice games against top players that could really help you improve, but posting here to insult the guy for the way he plays is not only pointless, it's sad.
If you're already watching IdrA's stream, focus on learning how to play from him instead of learning how to trash talk people on the internets. It's much more useful in the long run.
Lol come on that's just willingly being ignortant. You're implying no1 has a problem with MC cheesing ever? Did you not see the shitstorm he got after Dreamhack? Plus there's a difference between cheesing because money is on the line and cheesing like 70% of the time on ladder >_>
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On April 28 2011 05:42 Talin wrote:
So I guess it is only "play to win" when MC does it.
I personally think constantly all-inning at that level is pointless because you are basically throwing away free practice games against top players that could really help you improve,
You can't compare ladder to tournament play, and even so, he doesn't do it every game. I can't say the same about water, but from what I'm seeing here from the people who have actually played against him it is a recurring theme.
You have also covered that basis with saying constantly doing all-ins at that level is pointless, so I won't even discuss that.
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interesting replay pack, but im gettin a feeling you are just trying to advertise for lessons
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On April 28 2011 05:24 CatZ.root wrote:
I agree with iNcontroL here, wasn't sure if i should say something or not cause it may sound whiny but I will now, Water is a low-caliber-all-in-only player, HOWEVER master yoda would say:
At all ins, very good you are, young padawan.
(i haven't seen the replay pack i noticed there's replays of me, so hopefully for each one of me losing there's a bunch of me winning, just to be fair to the real ratio)
:D ok im bm =).
Kinda like TSL Rain eh?
allins are still legitimate
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we need people like liquidwater to be playing against good players
making sure the corners they cut, is legit
we all should refine our "so-called-solid" builds against any kind of rushes, timings, etc.
and it's people like liquidwater to contribute their part to the community
there is nothing wrong exploiting the rushes and timing attacks...
the more, the sooner blizzard/players will adjust...
so... MOAR MOAR MOAR!!
where are the zerg/protoss rushers? where??
i wanna see more!!
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please don't use a liquid name if you want to use tl to promote yourself
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