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NesTea is the best zerg, winning 2 GSL's and at least another finals while making it far in other GSL.
LosirA is Behind NesTea and probably second.
July is good but has had one great result and has flaws.
DRG has shown potential but has lacked in any big results EX: not qualifying for GSL.
Foreign Zergs may be good but to prove themselves they would have to go to korea and win or win some other major tournaments like MLG, Dreamhack, or NASL.
IdrA is good but is constantly losing to koreans in almost all events, Sen is also good but yet to do something major.
I agree that its too late to call a bonjwa or a King, But for the first year of sc2 NesTea was ahead of the other zergs and nobody has caught him... yet.
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There is literally no way to compare who is better amongst the #2-6 spots, it's not even worth arguing. All anyone can say at this point is that NesTea is undoubtedly the best Zerg in the world right now. The runner-up? Have fun arguing.
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On July 26 2011 08:12 Severus_ wrote:
1.Nestea 2.DGR 3.Sen
Losira is much better than Sen.
1. Nestea
2. Losira
3. DRG
4. July
5. Sen
6. Moon
7. Zenio
8. Coca
9. Idra
10. Leenock
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On July 26 2011 08:23 IcedBacon wrote:
There is literally no way to compare who is better amongst the #2-6 spots, it's not even worth arguing. All anyone can say at this point is that NesTea is undoubtedly the best Zerg in the world right now. The runner-up? Have fun arguing.
I think it's pretty easy to say Losira. GSL July finalist, MLG Columbus runner up, Code A winner, GSL May Ro8.
No other Zerg has a record as good as that except Nestea obviously.
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On July 26 2011 08:16 Flowjo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 08:13 rysecake wrote:On July 26 2011 08:12 Severus_ wrote:
1.Nestea 2.DGR 3.Sen Losira may be on par with DRG and Sen, possibly higher. They're really close though. My personal list now would be 1. Nestea 2. Losira 3. DRG 4. Sen (could be switched with DRG) 5. July That's pretty much my list but I might switch losira with drg, both are extremely boss but I feel like DRG is a monster
I feel the same, think this is how pretty much everyone feels.
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1) Nestea
2) IM ZERG #2
3) IM ZERG #3
4) IM ZERG ...
5) IM ZERG #n-1
6) IM ZERG #n
7) DRG
8) Sen
9) July
10) IdrA
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On July 26 2011 08:26 lunchforthesky wrote:Losira is much better than Sen. 1. Nestea 2. Losira 3. DRG 4. July 5. Sen 6. Moon 7. Zenio 8. Coca 9. Idra 10. Leenock
Idra is not 9 anymore he was sometime ill say higher even ago. But now ill say Nerchio,Stephano and Morrow have all overtaken him
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How about adding Destiny? He beat Bomber 2-1 in the GSPA tourny.
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On July 26 2011 08:33 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 08:26 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 08:12 Severus_ wrote:
1.Nestea 2.DGR 3.Sen Losira is much better than Sen. 1. Nestea 2. Losira 3. DRG 4. July 5. Sen 6. Moon 7. Zenio 8. Coca 9. Idra 10. Leenock Idra is not 9 anymore he was sometime ill say higher even ago. But now ill say Nerchio,Stephano and Morrow have all overtaken him
Idra has still performed reasonably recently. Yeah he did some dumb stuff at MLG but he still finished 4th. At Dreamhack he was Ro8 and lost to MC. At Homestory I think he was 5th. He also won IPL and is going strong so far in the current IPL.
He did better than Morrow at Dreamhack and MLG, better than Stephano at Dreamhack. Nerchio doesn't go to LAN's. You can never be a serious contender for best anything if you don't participate in major tournaments.
Idra might not be a contender for best Zerg in the world anymore (he was probably second only to Nestea when he left Korea) but only really Sen gives him a run outside of Korea, and even Sen doesn't have the consistant "good" finishes Idra does.
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On July 26 2011 08:36 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 08:33 Nerdslayer wrote:On July 26 2011 08:26 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 08:12 Severus_ wrote:
1.Nestea 2.DGR 3.Sen Losira is much better than Sen. 1. Nestea 2. Losira 3. DRG 4. July 5. Sen 6. Moon 7. Zenio 8. Coca 9. Idra 10. Leenock Idra is not 9 anymore he was sometime ill say higher even ago. But now ill say Nerchio,Stephano and Morrow have all overtaken him Idra has still performed reasonably recently. Yeah he did some dumb stuff at MLG but he still finished 4th. At Dreamhack he was Ro8 and lost to MC. At Homestory I think he was 5th. He also won IPL and is going strong so far in the current IPL. He did better than Morrow at Dreamhack and MLG, better than Stephano at Dreamhack. Nerchio doesn't go to LAN's. You can never be a serious contender for best anything if you don't participate in major tournaments. Idra might not be a contender for best Zerg in the world anymore but only really Sen gives him a run outside of Korea, and even Sen doesn't have the consistant "good" finishes Idra does.
Sen doesn't compete in as many western tournys as idra. Sen is probably the best foreigner zerg right now, and a top 5 zerg in the world.
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On July 26 2011 08:33 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 08:26 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 08:12 Severus_ wrote:
1.Nestea 2.DGR 3.Sen Losira is much better than Sen. 1. Nestea 2. Losira 3. DRG 4. July 5. Sen 6. Moon 7. Zenio 8. Coca 9. Idra 10. Leenock Idra is not 9 anymore he was sometime ill say higher even ago. But now ill say Nerchio,Stephano and Morrow have all overtaken him
Idra it probably 3rd or 4th he is way better than Nericho,Stephano and Morrow. He outplaced Morrow and Stephano at Homestoy/DH2011. I would say idrA and Sen are equal but Sen has amazing early game ZvZ and idrA's late game ZvZ is much better.
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On July 26 2011 08:40 trikshun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 08:33 Nerdslayer wrote:On July 26 2011 08:26 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 08:12 Severus_ wrote:
1.Nestea 2.DGR 3.Sen Losira is much better than Sen. 1. Nestea 2. Losira 3. DRG 4. July 5. Sen 6. Moon 7. Zenio 8. Coca 9. Idra 10. Leenock Idra is not 9 anymore he was sometime ill say higher even ago. But now ill say Nerchio,Stephano and Morrow have all overtaken him Idra it probably 3rd or 4th he is way better than Nericho,Stephano and Morrow. He outplaced Morrow and Stephano at Homestoy/DH2011. I would say idrA and Sen are equal but Sen has amazing early game ZvZ and idrA's late game ZvZ is much better.
This would make sense only..idra loses to sen in both fast and long games.
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On July 26 2011 08:34 GGMenaus wrote:
How about adding Destiny? He beat Bomber 2-1 in the GSPA tourny.
Although one won series against a pro gamer is a good thing, it doesn't mean you're close to being the zerg king...
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On July 26 2011 08:38 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 08:36 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 08:33 Nerdslayer wrote:On July 26 2011 08:26 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 08:12 Severus_ wrote:
1.Nestea 2.DGR 3.Sen Losira is much better than Sen. 1. Nestea 2. Losira 3. DRG 4. July 5. Sen 6. Moon 7. Zenio 8. Coca 9. Idra 10. Leenock Idra is not 9 anymore he was sometime ill say higher even ago. But now ill say Nerchio,Stephano and Morrow have all overtaken him Idra has still performed reasonably recently. Yeah he did some dumb stuff at MLG but he still finished 4th. At Dreamhack he was Ro8 and lost to MC. At Homestory I think he was 5th. He also won IPL and is going strong so far in the current IPL. He did better than Morrow at Dreamhack and MLG, better than Stephano at Dreamhack. Nerchio doesn't go to LAN's. You can never be a serious contender for best anything if you don't participate in major tournaments. Idra might not be a contender for best Zerg in the world anymore but only really Sen gives him a run outside of Korea, and even Sen doesn't have the consistant "good" finishes Idra does. Sen doesn't compete in as many western tournys as idra. Sen is probably the best foreigner zerg right now, and a top 5 zerg in the world.
Definitely not, but even when Sen does he generally shows some extremely nice play but never actually wins anything. He was Ro8 at Dreamhack, Ro4 at NASL and didn't play in any recent MLG's, Homestory or IPL. I'd call that a good record, but it's not exactly amazing. Much like Idra he generally does reasonably in everything he participates in but tends not to win.
In terms of non-Koreans Zergs I'd go with:
1. Sen
2. Idra
3. Morrow
4. Ret
The fifth spot is up for grabs amongst online tourny heroes like Stephano/Nerchio and guys like Sheth who did okay in Korea and Darkforce who showed some decent stuff at NASL. I'm reluctant to give too much credit to Nerchio without him performing at LAN's.
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On July 26 2011 08:43 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 08:38 rysecake wrote:On July 26 2011 08:36 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 08:33 Nerdslayer wrote:On July 26 2011 08:26 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 08:12 Severus_ wrote:
1.Nestea 2.DGR 3.Sen Losira is much better than Sen. 1. Nestea 2. Losira 3. DRG 4. July 5. Sen 6. Moon 7. Zenio 8. Coca 9. Idra 10. Leenock Idra is not 9 anymore he was sometime ill say higher even ago. But now ill say Nerchio,Stephano and Morrow have all overtaken him Idra has still performed reasonably recently. Yeah he did some dumb stuff at MLG but he still finished 4th. At Dreamhack he was Ro8 and lost to MC. At Homestory I think he was 5th. He also won IPL and is going strong so far in the current IPL. He did better than Morrow at Dreamhack and MLG, better than Stephano at Dreamhack. Nerchio doesn't go to LAN's. You can never be a serious contender for best anything if you don't participate in major tournaments. Idra might not be a contender for best Zerg in the world anymore but only really Sen gives him a run outside of Korea, and even Sen doesn't have the consistant "good" finishes Idra does. Sen doesn't compete in as many western tournys as idra. Sen is probably the best foreigner zerg right now, and a top 5 zerg in the world. Definitely not, but even when Sen does he generally shows some extremely nice play but never actually wins anything. He was Ro8 at Dreamhack, Ro4 at NASL and didn't play in any recent MLG's, Homestory or IPL. I'd call that a good record, but it's not exactly amazing. Much like Idra he generally does reasonably in everything he participates in but tends not to win.
Exactly, and when you have results too close to tell, you pull up the only other tangible information you have left to compare: their games vs each other, in which case sen has the upper hand on idra.
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i dont think you could say its idrA at this point because he hasnt won everything,like he used to not trying to talk him down but he is stuborn and wont say that protoss is beatable
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On July 26 2011 08:45 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 08:43 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 08:38 rysecake wrote:On July 26 2011 08:36 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 08:33 Nerdslayer wrote:On July 26 2011 08:26 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 08:12 Severus_ wrote:
1.Nestea 2.DGR 3.Sen Losira is much better than Sen. 1. Nestea 2. Losira 3. DRG 4. July 5. Sen 6. Moon 7. Zenio 8. Coca 9. Idra 10. Leenock Idra is not 9 anymore he was sometime ill say higher even ago. But now ill say Nerchio,Stephano and Morrow have all overtaken him Idra has still performed reasonably recently. Yeah he did some dumb stuff at MLG but he still finished 4th. At Dreamhack he was Ro8 and lost to MC. At Homestory I think he was 5th. He also won IPL and is going strong so far in the current IPL. He did better than Morrow at Dreamhack and MLG, better than Stephano at Dreamhack. Nerchio doesn't go to LAN's. You can never be a serious contender for best anything if you don't participate in major tournaments. Idra might not be a contender for best Zerg in the world anymore but only really Sen gives him a run outside of Korea, and even Sen doesn't have the consistant "good" finishes Idra does. Sen doesn't compete in as many western tournys as idra. Sen is probably the best foreigner zerg right now, and a top 5 zerg in the world. Definitely not, but even when Sen does he generally shows some extremely nice play but never actually wins anything. He was Ro8 at Dreamhack, Ro4 at NASL and didn't play in any recent MLG's, Homestory or IPL. I'd call that a good record, but it's not exactly amazing. Much like Idra he generally does reasonably in everything he participates in but tends not to win. Exactly, and when you have results too close to tell, you pull up the only other tangible information you have left to compare: their games vs each other, in which case sen has the upper hand on idra.
That's only one third of the dice though. Like July is one of the best Zergs in the world, top 10 in anyone list and top 5 in most but he's awful at ZvZ. Most of the top 30 would beat him in ZvZ.
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This is 3+ months old, but I'll put up a new poll anyway
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