EPTidra/july
Nestea
I know that both koreans won more then idra but i also feel idra is performing so good recently and has a new style of mixed agression, macro and mixed armies that will eventually give him gold
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
idra/july Nestea I know that both koreans won more then idra but i also feel idra is performing so good recently and has a new style of mixed agression, macro and mixed armies that will eventually give him gold | ||
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
On May 01 2011 10:24 Irrelevant wrote: Top 20 IMO 1) TamponZerg 2) Losira 3) July 4) FruitDealer 5) Dimaga 6) Sen 7) Min 8) LeenockfOu 9) Zenio 10) Check 11) CoCa 12) Morrow 13) Moon 14) MoonGlade 15) Idra 16) Sheth 17) MVPViolet 18) Kyrix 19) Yugioh 20) Ret Fixed that for you  | ||
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WeeKeong
United States282 Posts
On May 01 2011 10:24 Irrelevant wrote: Top 20 IMO 1) Nestea 2) Losira 3) July 4) FruitDealer 5) Dimaga 6) Sen 7) Min 8) LeenockfOu 9) Zenio 10) Check 11) CoCa 12) Morrow 13) Moon 14) MoonGlade 15) Idra 16) Sheth 17) MVPViolet 18) Kyrix 19) Yugioh 20) Ret Rofl, what a joke. Time to defend Idra 1. What has Sen done over Idra? They should be in the same tier or maybe either one of them slightly ahead. 2. Why is Min 7? He won a baneling bust against MVP and lost 1-2. He also beat Inca in one match and lost to TOP. Idra beat MVP in a macro game on STEPPES and lost 1-2 partly due to close position Meta. He also beat Check, Genius, Nada, Ensnare, Clide, other Koreans and did well in other foreign tournaments. Hmm I guess MIN > IDRA... 3. Why is Leenock 8? Of all people, LEENOCK! Mr I lost 2 TvZs, one against Liveforever of all people to drop to Code A, where he has now dropped to Code B. 4. WHY IS MOONGLADE AHEAD OF IDRA? LOL OF ALL PEOPLE, MOONGLADE! I know he might dominate in SEA tournaments, but I have not seen a good game of Moonglade in my entire life. He just continues to disappoint over and over and over. So, switching Idra and Min, moving Leenock below moon, Violet, Kyrix, Yugioh and Ret above Coca, and possibly Sheth up a few places (or not, it's debatable), this might look like a reasonable list, not that I would agree with it, but reasonable at least. | ||
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ManicMarine
Australia409 Posts
Now if the poll did not have the option to say that there is no zerg king, then I think that there's a strong case to be made for Idra (although I think NesTea is slightly better). However this is not that poll. We can answer that there's no king, and there isn't. No zerg is anywhere near dominant enough to be considered the King. No player's name is synonymous with zerg domination. The throne is not only empty, it has never been filled. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
1. Nestea. 2. July 3. Losira 4. Idra I'd bump Losira to above July if he makes it to the GSL semis/final and above Nestea if he wins the whole thing. As for one player dominating a race, only really MC can claim that. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On May 01 2011 23:56 ManicMarine wrote: I can't believe that Idra has 20% of the votes here. I'm no Idra hater, I consider myself a diehard Idra fan. But he simply doesn't have the results that you need to claim that he's not just the best zerg in the world, but is the zerg king. You can't be a king without a kingdom! I say again, Idra doesn't have the results to be considered the king. Now if the poll did not have the option to say that there is no zerg king, then I think that there's a strong case to be made for Idra (although I think NesTea is slightly better). However this is not that poll. We can answer that there's no king, and there isn't. No zerg is anywhere near dominant enough to be considered the King. No player's name is synonymous with zerg domination. The throne is not only empty, it has never been filled. I can, too many fanboys. Even then, it's kind of absurd to even think about ranking them at all atm. Might as well switch rank with favorite. | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On May 02 2011 00:05 Blasphemi wrote: Results are everything, no one cares how someone played in random Husky/HD show matches, what matters is what players have won in the big LAN's in which case Nestea is well out in front having won the big daddy itself, July's second in Code S slightly outweigs Losira's Code A win and Idra's MLG DC puts him above the rest. 1. Nestea. 2. July 3. Losira 4. Idra I'd bump Losira to above July if he makes it to the GSL semis/final and above Nestea if he wins the whole thing. As for one player dominating a race, only really MC can claim that. I would say exactly like you. Those 4 zergs seems to be best atm. | ||
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
Hell, it seems like he's in a recent slump [although I have been busy this past week and haven't kept up to date with his progress in NASL/IPL] in recent tournaments, ie no top 10 showing at the most recent MLG, and losses in TSL3, IEM, and HD World Tournament. | ||
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Lazy_89
United States87 Posts
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Poopi
France12907 Posts
On May 01 2011 23:55 WeeKeong wrote: Rofl, what a joke. Time to defend Idra 1. What has Sen done over Idra? They should be in the same tier or maybe either one of them slightly ahead. 2. Why is Min 7? He won a baneling bust against MVP and lost 1-2. He also beat Inca in one match and lost to TOP. Idra beat MVP in a macro game on STEPPES and lost 1-2 partly due to close position Meta. He also beat Check, Genius, Nada, Ensnare, Clide, other Koreans and did well in other foreign tournaments. Hmm I guess MIN > IDRA... 3. Why is Leenock 8? Of all people, LEENOCK! Mr I lost 2 TvZs, one against Liveforever of all people to drop to Code A, where he has now dropped to Code B. 4. WHY IS MOONGLADE AHEAD OF IDRA? LOL OF ALL PEOPLE, MOONGLADE! I know he might dominate in SEA tournaments, but I have not seen a good game of Moonglade in my entire life. He just continues to disappoint over and over and over. So, switching Idra and Min, moving Leenock below moon, Violet, Kyrix, Yugioh and Ret above Coca, and possibly Sheth up a few places (or not, it's debatable), this might look like a reasonable list, not that I would agree with it, but reasonable at least. I will only talk about point2 : season 3 IMMvp is not IMMvp of now, I mean that he is better now so you can't compare Min with IdrA based on their results against IMMvp. And I dont think you (Irrelevant) can compare foreign zergs to korean zergs at all, except zergs that went to Korea (IdrA and SEn) , but how can you judge that MorroW is better than YuGiOh, viOlet or any other zerg? They don't compete in the same environment :o, so we just can't know... | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On May 02 2011 00:09 StarStruck wrote: I can, too many fanboys. Even then, it's kind of absurd to even think about ranking them at all atm. Might as well switch rank with favorite. Absurd to rank them? So these players aren't showing any distinguishable skill at the moment? | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On May 02 2011 00:25 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I like Idra, but I don't know how he can be overwhelmingly thought to be "the best." His dominance over even non-Koreans has no longer been the consistency it was, and though he displayed consistent showings in GSL when he was in Korean, he was consistently losing in earlier in the elimination bracket. Hell, it seems like he's in a recent slump [although I have been busy this past week and haven't kept up to date with his progress in NASL/IPL] in recent tournaments, ie no top 10 showing at the most recent MLG, and losses in TSL3, IEM, and HD World Tournament. I recommend that you start paying attention to him again then. Since MLG, he's become one of the most consistent Zergs. Watch his matches in IPL and NASL if you can. I think he's playing some of the best SC2 of his career right now. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On May 02 2011 01:54 garlicface wrote: I recommend that you start paying attention to him again then. Since MLG, he's become one of the most consistent Zergs. Watch his matches in IPL and NASL if you can. I think he's playing some of the best SC2 of his career right now. Hard to call him the best when he's not playing the best. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
He has a solid, consistent ZvT and ZvZ. His ZvP has recently gone wild with several different strategies in his pocket, all of which are scary to deal with. He's been showing off his more impressive multi-tasking abilities (and no I'm not talking about hydra-drop all-ins), and really I think he's starting to revolutionize the matchup. I really think Idra is going to start dominating soon if he can keep it up. IdrA fiiiiightinggg!! | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
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sang
United States251 Posts
1) NesTea 2) IdrA/LosirA 3) July 4) Dimaga/Sen 5) Fruitdealer/Min Despite NesTea showing a little hitch in the armor in his ZvZ matchup, he is still the best Zerg in the world in my opinion simply based off performance and consistency. If you look at his matches, rarely does NesTea lose a match against a generally considered "weaker" player. Right under him I would put IdrA and LosirA, but only by a hair. What really stands out about both these players is how much work they have put into their ZvP matchup. I would even argue both IdrA and LosirA have stronger ZvP matchups than NesTea. July rounds out at 3 simply because I think he's a stronger player in all matchups than the next closest players. One of the only reasons Dimaga isn't ranked higher is because July and the other players above him have stronger ZvPs. I view Sen as a stronger ZvP player than Dimaga, but also a weaker ZvZ player, thus why they both round out at 4. Despite Fruitdealer's performance this season in GSL, I'm simply not sold on his overall game. Out of everyone on this list, I feel like he is declining slightly. Meanwhile, I think we can all agree Min is on his way up. Although we were all impressed with his play during the GSL Team League, you can't evaluate a player off two games. The biggest factor for Min being ranked so high is based off his series against MVP. The first two games in the series were cheese/all-in/timing attacks which really didn't tell us anything, but the final game was very impressive. I think Min had a great build planned, teching to early Hive, but overall his execution and decision making as the game wore on declined. Overall though, I think that is something he will definitely improve in seasons to come. Outside these eight players, I think there is a considerable drop-off. If I had to pick a player or two right below them it would probably be Ret, Zenio, and Sheth. | ||
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ZephyrCat
United States13 Posts
The problem is that the title is kind of fluid. I wouldn't give anyone the title of ___ king, unless it was absolutely obvious that they are a dominant player that is terrifyingly close to unbeatable. Until I see someone that takes more than a 4th place finish at a major tournament, I think it's undecided. Also I voted for being a IdrA loving fanboy, mostly because I am disgusted by the extreme opposite. The people who constantly question him and ask "lulz gg from idra, whats the world coming to?" make me angry, simply because ignorance makes me angry. Yes IdrA is known to have outbursts, I don't blame him, I get pissed of when I lose to something stupid like a cannon rush or something similiar. Yes, it is one thing to get angry about something, and something entirely different to rage about it in public, when you are a sponsored player, but I think that it is fair to say that IdrA is human, and humans have faults. However I don't think he will ever be considered the Zerg king, until we see much better performance from him. | ||
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eoLithic
Norway221 Posts
He drinks sake and doesn`t give a fuck end. | ||
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weiliem
2071 Posts
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On May 02 2011 02:16 eoLithic wrote: Fruitdealer He drinks sake and doesn`t give a fuck end. If you don't give a shit who the Zerg king is, vote for Fruitdealer... | ||
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