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On April 30 2011 03:01 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 02:36 1Eris1 wrote:On April 29 2011 20:49 Faxer wrote:
Here is my top 5:D
1: ST_Zulyzerg. He IS the best zerg around the world.
2: IMLosirA. Have shown anyone he's potencial and is my favorite to win GSL May.
3:IMNestea. Have been a major dissappointment lately, but he is still GSL 2 Champ.
4: WemadefoxMoon. Has completely desimated anyone in the NASL.
5: Idra. He is probatly the best macro zerg around and have beaten MVP. Only reason for not being in top 3 is he's major weakness to cheese How can you put someone who isn't even in Code A at the no.4 zerg spot? And what cheese, I almost never see IdrA lose to cheese anymore. Stop using stuff from 3 months ago to justify a rank. Anyways, I'd vote Losira. Nestea is starting to slow with age and better players coming around and July is unpredictable but weak mechanic wise July is anything but weak mechanic wise man . The reason he won an OSL in 2008 was because he kept his mechanics strong throughout the years while other old school players have faded away , because of mechanics . He is one of the best mechanic players of all time . Don't know how he macroes in SC2 , but in BW he macroed by sound alone , whenever he hears a unit completing he instantly made an other unit . His micro has always been one of the best in the scene . He is obviously no Jaedong right now , but he is certainly one of the best mechanic players in SC2 up there with MVP and MC . I don't think him not spreading creep is a sign of weak mechanics . He spreads creep when he feels like it , just not all the time .
Definitely, if anything, he has one of the strongest, if not the strongest mechanics around.
Anyway, I think the throne is empty. If I had to pick, it would probably go to either July or maybe Losira. Nestea doesn't seem so good anymore since his GSL victory and Idra is imo, overhyped.
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1. Nestea
2. July
3. LosirA
4. Sen
5. Dimaga
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On April 30 2011 03:21 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 03:16 Piledriver wrote:
LOL, for a zerg with 0 results in 2011, IdrA sure has a legion of fans voting for him in every poll. NesTea, July, LosirA, Dimaga and, MorroW are better zergs than him in all round play. Don't worry about it. His fans would vote for him over jaedong given the chance.
LOL, remember that time in BW when IdrA said he felt sorry for JD b/c of the builds he had planned for that osl (I think) qualifier?
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Sen, when he's playing Protoss and screaming "YOU SEE!?!"
J/K, I'm torn between IdrA and Nestea, the former seems to be getting over a slump with wins over some big names in the NASL while the latter is doing good this GSL although I don't see him winning it.
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On April 30 2011 03:19 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 03:07 Huragius wrote:
Lol, stop with the July bias. Picking him as the best zerg in the world is just lol. Same as to pick NaDa as the best Terran in the world at the moment. Because of Nestea's mini slump and other zergs not having results , you could very well argue that he is the best or top 3 in the world . Nestea , Losira and July are the top 3 zergs in the world . Sorry , but saying a foreign zerg is better then July is just foreign bias or haters hating on his style at this point . Dimaga , Idra , Sen skill wise are probably up there with him , but they haven't shown anything note wordy to place them over him . Nada is also one of the best terrans in the world certainly top 10 - 15 in the world despite not playing the game full time . And the only terran who i can say is certainly better then him is MVP .
I'm not saying he isn't TOP 5 or even TOP 3. I just simply consider IMLosira and IMNestea as better zergs, and saying that July is the best zerg, is simply nothing more than bias.
And as for Nada you are right, but not playing the game full time is no excuse for not being the best player. To be the best player, you need both, Talent and Devotion, and Nada is clearly lacking one of them.
And why did I use NaDa as an example ? Because they both are overrated. I know they were legends in SC:BW and I loved to see NaDa play and more importantly -win. He was my favourite player at one point. But it is not SC:BW, and lets try to be objective as we can.
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The poll results make me sad.
Idra the king of zerg? Since beta he has been complaining that zerg are underpowered as other zerg went on to win tournaments including multiple seasons of the GSL.
As recently as three weeks ago Idra was talking on State of the Game about feeling that a good protoss shouldn't lose to a zerg, which I can only assume that he goes into at least 1/3rd of matchups expecting a loss.
I am a sub-bronze player, and don't really have a legitimate platform on which to criticize anyone even being discussed, but as an esports fan this has gone from amusing to giggle about to painful to watch.
As a no-name nerd with entitlement issues etc. I would go on to say that I hope his big announcement is worth the small amount of hype it has gotten and he is changing races or something, because right now I feel like he owes it to EG, he owes it to his fans, and he owes it to himself to change SOMETHING to where he feels like he can win.
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On April 30 2011 03:45 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 03:19 raga4ka wrote:On April 30 2011 03:07 Huragius wrote:
Lol, stop with the July bias. Picking him as the best zerg in the world is just lol. Same as to pick NaDa as the best Terran in the world at the moment. Because of Nestea's mini slump and other zergs not having results , you could very well argue that he is the best or top 3 in the world . Nestea , Losira and July are the top 3 zergs in the world . Sorry , but saying a foreign zerg is better then July is just foreign bias or haters hating on his style at this point . Dimaga , Idra , Sen skill wise are probably up there with him , but they haven't shown anything note wordy to place them over him . Nada is also one of the best terrans in the world certainly top 10 - 15 in the world despite not playing the game full time . And the only terran who i can say is certainly better then him is MVP . I'm not saying he isn't TOP 5 or even TOP 3. I just simply consider IMLosira and IMNestea as better zergs, and saying that July is the best zerg, is simply nothing more than bias. And as for Nada you are right, but not playing the game full time is no excuse for not being the best player. To be the best player, you need both, Talent and Devotion, and Nada is clearly lacking one of them. And why did I use NaDa as an example ? Because they both are overrated. I know they were legends in SC:BW and I loved to see NaDa play and more importantly -win. He was my favourite player at one point. But it is not SC:BW, and lets try to be objective as we can.
I am objective . Nada is in the Ro 8 in every freaking GSL . Not a lot of terran players or SC2 players in general can say that for themselves . July and Nada are certainly not overrated . Idra is overrated .
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King of whine = idra
King of zerg = july
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This isn't King of Zerg popularity 
Idra being voted #1 just makes the idra fanboys look silly. The guy has absolutely no results in recent times and seems to be falling behind more and more. He's a great player, but far from the best Zerg.
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Losira he's still up and coming and in teh same team as nestea pff i'm sure he's gonna win a gsl sometime soon and take the throne
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Idra is so bad; the most overrated player ever.. Because he is from the US.
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Idra fo sho. Shoulda been #1
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On April 30 2011 04:16 Mohdoo wrote:This isn't King of Zerg popularity Idra being voted #1 just makes the idra fanboys look silly. The guy has absolutely no results in recent times and seems to be falling behind more and more. He's a great player, but far from the best Zerg.
Yeah I'm an IdrA fanboy to be honest, and I voted for LosirA. To be fair though, IdrA isn't still falling imo, he had slumped but is improving dramatically now, especially against P. I'd definitely give him top 5, but not No1.
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People simple like Idra. I'm pretty sure even the people who voted for him(like me  ) doesn't necessarily think he's the 'zerg king'.
...which is silly. No zerg is consistent enough and all of them aren't particularly strong compared to their terran and protoss counterparts- RESULT WISE.
As for all you idra haters. Just three words
Haters gonna hate.
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Can't believe Losira has 92 votes and IdrA has 500.
Shows how foreigner horny the SC2 forum is.
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Ok look, here is July for korea
All: 29-23 (55.77%) |
vT: 15-8 (65.22%) |
vZ: 3-5 (37.50%) |
vP: 11-10 (52.38%) |
Here is idra for international
All: 85-45 (65.38%) |
vT: 43-22 (66.15%) |
vZ: 17-1 (94.44%) |
vP: 25-22 (53.19%) |
And idra for korea.
All: 16-10 (61.54%) |
vT: 11-6 (64.71%) |
vZ: 1-2 (33.33%) |
vP: 4-2 (66.67%) |
Overall, idra has better results.
If you are going to use the bullshit argument "well july plays in GSL", then this entire fucking thread is pointless and should be locked. Since nobody that plays outside of GSL can be taken seriously as the best player. Anyone who considers jinro, whitera, or anyone else to be even in the top 2 of their respective races cannot be taken seriously either.
Even if you use ELO as a rating system, only NesTea and Losira are higher than idra.
I consider all top zergs around the same skill level and all different due to styles, none has discovered the best style yet to be called the best zerg, but you "lol idra" europeans are pretty annoying if you don't want to justify your opinions.
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On April 30 2011 04:25 R3N wrote:People simple like Idra. I'm pretty sure even the people who voted for him(like me ) doesn't necessarily think he's the 'zerg king'. ...which is silly. No zerg is consistent enough and all of them aren't particularly strong compared to their terran and protoss counterparts- RESULT WISE. As for all you idra haters. Just three words Haters gonna hate.
Your first paragraph perfectly sums up what the "IdrA haters" are complaining about in this thread.
No one's hating on IdrA just because they don't think he's the best Zerg in the world.
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On April 30 2011 03:16 Piledriver wrote:
LOL, for a zerg with 0 results in 2011, IdrA sure has a legion of fans voting for him in every poll. NesTea, July, LosirA, Dimaga and, MorroW are better zergs than him in all round play.
Nestea/July/Losira I would rate above IdrA.
Dimaga is pretty inconsistent and you can also argue has had no results since even before Idra (Dimaga does well in the weeklies but the only reason he's really in contention is because of the huge upsets in GSL World). Edit: I believe most people favour watching aggressive zergs.
Morrow is honestly just a worse version of Idra: Heavy macro focus, terribly predictable and does not deviate from his builds (the 1-3 to MC in Copenhagen was just nauseatingly bad and even worse than Idra's dreamhack battle if you don't look at it biased), on that same note he's still on the exact same roach/hydra build which has basically only beaten HuK in the past month or so in televised matches, he gives unbelievably fast ggs, and has a much worse ZvZ record.
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On April 30 2011 04:32 JKira wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 04:25 R3N wrote:People simple like Idra. I'm pretty sure even the people who voted for him(like me ) doesn't necessarily think he's the 'zerg king'. ...which is silly. No zerg is consistent enough and all of them aren't particularly strong compared to their terran and protoss counterparts- RESULT WISE. As for all you idra haters. Just three words Haters gonna hate. Your first paragraph perfectly sums up what the "IdrA haters" are complaining about in this thread. No one's hating on IdrA just because they don't think he's the best Zerg in the world.
To be honest I think people hate Idra's ignorant fanboys more rather than Idra himself (who isn't that bad in all seriousness)
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NesTea, FD, July, Dimaga, Losira; but viOletMvP is one of the best up&coming zergs as well.
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