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Ballistixz
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1269 Posts
April 25 2011 17:08 GMT
#461
IMLosira aka MiniTea is perhaps the hottest Zerg player in the World right now



i want to troll so bad right now and it involves the word "trap"

but im not gonna do that cuz its of bad taste.


anyway ima go with idra cuz idra has quickly became my fav zerg player these past few years.
lilky
Profile Joined January 2011
United States131 Posts
April 25 2011 17:45 GMT
#462
Dimaga and Sen shouldnt even be choices....wtf...
I dont get why everyone hops on dimaga's dick so much. His gameplay is solid but nothing special at all. The same goes for Sen.
IMO Ret is far better than Dimaga, but he just doesnt play as much and doesnt get as much attention.
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
April 25 2011 17:49 GMT
#463
On April 26 2011 02:45 lilky wrote:
Dimaga and Sen shouldnt even be choices....wtf...
I dont get why everyone hops on dimaga's dick so much. His gameplay is solid but nothing special at all. The same goes for Sen.
IMO Ret is far better than Dimaga, but he just doesnt play as much and doesnt get as much attention.


Yeah Dima is so unimpressive that he was the single foreign zerg who impressed the entire cadre of Korean players at the GSL Worlds. -_-

That was a silly comment.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 17:57:04
April 25 2011 17:54 GMT
#464
Ranking IdrA over Fruitdealer is simply laughable.

Fruitdealer had a group with MVP and BO1 against Zenio in Code S season 1 while having an all Protoss group in Season 2. "Performing poorly since Season 1" is completely false as he lost to Foxer in Season 2 who's a TvZ beast and made it to the RO8 in Season 3.

Fruitdealer made it further than IdrA in most seasons

The throne is empty atm. I would say LosirA is the best according to shape though.
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Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
April 25 2011 17:55 GMT
#465
Sen, Imo. He's just so good.
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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
April 25 2011 17:57 GMT
#466
Losira will soon to be king!! Currently i think the best is Nestea (even though he lost to dimaga, we all lose sometimes).
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Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
April 25 2011 18:02 GMT
#467
While nestea may be the only zerg aside from fruitdealer to win GSL, even he himself would say that had more to do with luck then skill alone. He dodged a lot of the good players in the bracket play, and then the final he had foxer's all in style figured out. Currently I'd say it's impossible to say who is 'the best zerg' because nobody has displayed any form of consistency or dominance such the likes of a jaedong back in bw.
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Bluerain
Profile Joined April 2010
United States348 Posts
April 25 2011 18:15 GMT
#468
On April 23 2011 05:56 mordk wrote:
A king needs a winner's mind as well as a king's management ability. While it's true that no zerg has yet attained the consistency to be a true king, clearly the best next thing is NesTea, followed by July and Losira. Their level of play is great, even if sometimes they fail ridiculously (Watch ensnare-july NASL lol).

About Idra, first I'll state that I'm neither a fan nor an anti-fan, I do not giggle in happiness when Idra loses, but I think that objectively looking at the level of play, he's a little under the top foreigner zergs (Dimaga/Sen). I also believe that, since Idra's mechanic abilities and overall gamesense are incredibly good, his decision making and attitude with frustration is what's setting him back, it's hard to come up with any other explanation.

As evidence of this, I'd compare his ZvT with his ZvP. In ZvT, idra looks solid, confident in his decision making, confident in how to attack, defend and counter enemy aggression, he strikes surely and with deadly intent in sort of surgical strikes that often cause critical damage and end games. In ZvP however, Idra looks a little lost, and as the matches progress he looks more and more uncomfortable, missing attack windows, GGing to hallucinated VRs out of frustration, 6-pooling an opponent who always scouts after pylon on 2 player maps, insisting on a unit composition that clearly cannot work, failing to put pressure on protoss on many maps, etc.

He also has stated himself on SotG that he feels the matchup is way unbalanced, and that he feels frustrated with it. However, a true king cannot let such things influence his decision making in-game. Out of the game, he can whine as hard as he wants, but when he is playing his game cannot suffer so visibly from this type of thing, it's just not a king's attitude.


read nestea's most recent interview after first round GSL, it's depressing. I think ogs.wind is better than most of those wildcards! too bad he has to coach
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
April 25 2011 18:23 GMT
#469
I'd say IdrA. Yes, I'm biased as fuck (read signature), but whatever. In almost every tournament, IdrA has been the best placing Zerg. Those aren't super high places, but no other Zerg is surpassing him. Too bad Nestea is confined to GSL because I'd like to see more of his play.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 18:57:18
April 25 2011 18:55 GMT
#470
On April 26 2011 02:06 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 01:58 Boundless wrote:
On April 26 2011 01:45 rysecake wrote:
On April 26 2011 00:33 kathode wrote:
In all honesty, I do not think that there is a "King" for any race right now. Zerg seems to be the one with the most definite "King" in NesTea (arguably).

Protoss = MC? (he's been slumping somewhat as of late)
Terran = MKP? MVP? Boxer? ThorZain? (lol)

Basically, I do not think there are any leaders of any of the races. The game seems to be in somewhat of a random dismay with finding players that perform consistently well. If I had to choose, it would be NesTea then Dimaga.

IdrA seems to be performing better as of late. I'd watch out for him at next MLG and other upcoming events and would not be surprised if he is the new King within a few months.


Wrong, protoss and terran have the most defined kings. Mvp rules terran with an iron first, same goes for mc with toss.

Yep. No Terran has as much skill with the race or as many accomplishments as IMmvp, and the same goes for Protoss and oGsMC.

Zerg, however, is disputed. NesTea has by far the most tournament results and accomplishments, but there are many other zergs who are showing a huge amount of skill with the race. No one is currently on the throne because no Zerg is winning GSL's right now.

Also, amount of idra fanboyism in this thread is rampant. He's a good player for a North American, but he isn't even a shadow of NesTea or Losira, and he himself would say so.


What has nestea done in the last 3 months? Besides play some team showmatches lately?....

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=29&part=games&league=standard

NesTea only plays a recorded match a few times a month, and he is not winning all of them.


I'm assuming you're an idra fanboy. And I keep seeing you use the same argument. Well? What has Idra done in the last 3 months, besides lose? He hasn't won a thing since October...

Nestea has had the strongest results/consistency so far, which is why most people say him.
The Notorious Winkles
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 19:07:50
April 25 2011 19:02 GMT
#471
On April 26 2011 03:55 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 02:06 Mailing wrote:
On April 26 2011 01:58 Boundless wrote:
On April 26 2011 01:45 rysecake wrote:
On April 26 2011 00:33 kathode wrote:
In all honesty, I do not think that there is a "King" for any race right now. Zerg seems to be the one with the most definite "King" in NesTea (arguably).

Protoss = MC? (he's been slumping somewhat as of late)
Terran = MKP? MVP? Boxer? ThorZain? (lol)

Basically, I do not think there are any leaders of any of the races. The game seems to be in somewhat of a random dismay with finding players that perform consistently well. If I had to choose, it would be NesTea then Dimaga.

IdrA seems to be performing better as of late. I'd watch out for him at next MLG and other upcoming events and would not be surprised if he is the new King within a few months.


Wrong, protoss and terran have the most defined kings. Mvp rules terran with an iron first, same goes for mc with toss.

Yep. No Terran has as much skill with the race or as many accomplishments as IMmvp, and the same goes for Protoss and oGsMC.

Zerg, however, is disputed. NesTea has by far the most tournament results and accomplishments, but there are many other zergs who are showing a huge amount of skill with the race. No one is currently on the throne because no Zerg is winning GSL's right now.

Also, amount of idra fanboyism in this thread is rampant. He's a good player for a North American, but he isn't even a shadow of NesTea or Losira, and he himself would say so.


What has nestea done in the last 3 months? Besides play some team showmatches lately?....

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=29&part=games&league=standard

NesTea only plays a recorded match a few times a month, and he is not winning all of them.


I'm assuming you're an idra fanboy. And I keep seeing you use the same argument. Well? What has Idra done in the last 3 months, besides lose? He hasn't won a thing since October...

Nestea has had the strongest results/consistency so far, which is why most people say him.


He plays in multiple international tourneys where he often places higher than other zerg players?

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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
April 25 2011 19:37 GMT
#472
On April 26 2011 04:02 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 03:55 rysecake wrote:
On April 26 2011 02:06 Mailing wrote:
On April 26 2011 01:58 Boundless wrote:
On April 26 2011 01:45 rysecake wrote:
On April 26 2011 00:33 kathode wrote:
In all honesty, I do not think that there is a "King" for any race right now. Zerg seems to be the one with the most definite "King" in NesTea (arguably).

Protoss = MC? (he's been slumping somewhat as of late)
Terran = MKP? MVP? Boxer? ThorZain? (lol)

Basically, I do not think there are any leaders of any of the races. The game seems to be in somewhat of a random dismay with finding players that perform consistently well. If I had to choose, it would be NesTea then Dimaga.

IdrA seems to be performing better as of late. I'd watch out for him at next MLG and other upcoming events and would not be surprised if he is the new King within a few months.


Wrong, protoss and terran have the most defined kings. Mvp rules terran with an iron first, same goes for mc with toss.

Yep. No Terran has as much skill with the race or as many accomplishments as IMmvp, and the same goes for Protoss and oGsMC.

Zerg, however, is disputed. NesTea has by far the most tournament results and accomplishments, but there are many other zergs who are showing a huge amount of skill with the race. No one is currently on the throne because no Zerg is winning GSL's right now.

Also, amount of idra fanboyism in this thread is rampant. He's a good player for a North American, but he isn't even a shadow of NesTea or Losira, and he himself would say so.


What has nestea done in the last 3 months? Besides play some team showmatches lately?....

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=29&part=games&league=standard

NesTea only plays a recorded match a few times a month, and he is not winning all of them.


I'm assuming you're an idra fanboy. And I keep seeing you use the same argument. Well? What has Idra done in the last 3 months, besides lose? He hasn't won a thing since October...

Nestea has had the strongest results/consistency so far, which is why most people say him.


He plays in multiple international tourneys where he often places higher than other zerg players?



Which is why most people won't argue that he's one of the best if not the best foreign zerg. But it's hard to call him the best zerg when none of the korean zergs participate in these foreign tournaments.
The Notorious Winkles
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
April 25 2011 19:38 GMT
#473
And it's fair to call korean zergs better because they practice an entire month for a tourney where they only need to win 4 matches to get into the Ro8?

Yeah, GSL is the "top" tourney, but when you play the same people over and over and over...
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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
April 25 2011 19:40 GMT
#474
On April 26 2011 04:38 Mailing wrote:
And it's fair to call korean zergs better because they practice an entire month for a tourney where they only need to win 4 matches to get into the Ro8?

Yeah, GSL is the "top" tourney, but when you play the same people over and over and over...


You play the same people over and over because those same people also win enough to stay in the tournament. If they were/are bad, they'll eventually be flushed out.
The Notorious Winkles
Mentor
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany219 Posts
April 28 2011 05:14 GMT
#475
I think Protoss is the only race which really had a dominating leadership figure yet. Neither Zergs nor Terrans have been dominating on a consistant level, so I think the throne is empty. And it has been since Fruitdealer's GSL win, when Zerg was considered even more underpowered. I never liked Nestea's style. He's a boring player, and he also isn't as dominating as he was 4 months ago.
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Seide
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States831 Posts
April 28 2011 05:16 GMT
#476
Yeah I don't think there is a dominant Zerg right now. Same goes for Terran.

MCs recent results haven't been too good either.
One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.
stangstang
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada281 Posts
April 28 2011 05:26 GMT
#477
On April 28 2011 14:16 Seide wrote:
Yeah I don't think there is a dominant Zerg right now. Same goes for Terran.

MCs recent results haven't been too good either.


MVP has also won 2 GSL's.
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
April 28 2011 05:31 GMT
#478
On April 28 2011 14:26 stangstang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 14:16 Seide wrote:
Yeah I don't think there is a dominant Zerg right now. Same goes for Terran.

MCs recent results haven't been too good either.


MVP has also won 2 GSL's.


Well, one was the GSL World Championship. It's not the same as a GSL Code S or a GSL Open and I don't feel it should be treated as equivalent(whether you think it's harder or easier is up to you).
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corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
April 28 2011 05:35 GMT
#479
Maybe I'm just bandwagon jumping, but Sheth has shown some absolutely amazing ZvP, which to me feels like the hardest matchup for Zerg right now. I'm reluctant to say he's better than the big names like Idra/Nestea/Losira, but he's showing a lot of creativity and flair, and that has to count for something.
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SweetAs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
New Zealand290 Posts
April 28 2011 05:39 GMT
#480
How can people seriouslly consider July? Seriouslly, look at his play and compare it with Dimaga, Idra, NesTea, Sen.. he doesn't compare at all. He got rofl stomped by MVP, he got rofl stomped by MC and he got rofl stomped by Dimaga.
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