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GGOda
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
14 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 03:30:23
April 16 2011 03:28 GMT
#121
oh in Latin nexus is an adjective for bond...
thus explaining all the confusion
ahh i see i admit defeat with the nexus should have done more research into the word..
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
April 16 2011 03:30 GMT
#122
I'm definitely using Colossorum at every opportunity now.
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
April 16 2011 03:36 GMT
#123
Plural:

Colloxen.

Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
April 16 2011 03:37 GMT
#124
Latin sure is clunky. I prefer the English version, but thanks for the lesson.
twitch.tv/duttroach
MechaCthulhu
Profile Joined November 2010
United States136 Posts
April 16 2011 03:40 GMT
#125
Wow, now we just need to cast and/or write about SC2 in Latin and this will be useful.

But, luckily, since we're speaking English, we can go ahead and keep using the English pluralization.
That which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.
ElvisWayCool
Profile Joined March 2010
United States437 Posts
April 16 2011 03:40 GMT
#126
just because it should be pronounced like that in latin, doesn't mean it should be pronounced that way in english.

look at octopus/octopi and cactus/cacti

colossus/colossi is the same way, and I was in latin too so it bugs me when people get it wrong too haha
SlapMySalami
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
April 16 2011 03:41 GMT
#127
(singular = plural)

pizza = pizzas in english

pizza = pizze in italian (according to google translate)

the point being every language uses words from other languages but you dont translate the forms the same way

like colossorum is actually the way you would say it in english
marineking will u huk my bigtt1 ilu
Poffel
Profile Joined March 2011
471 Posts
April 16 2011 03:45 GMT
#128
On April 16 2011 12:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 12:20 GGOda wrote:
On April 16 2011 12:19 Kentredenite wrote:
On April 16 2011 11:08 GGOda wrote:
ok...
s
Nom- Nexus
Gen- Nexi
Dat- Nexo
acc- nexum
Abl- Nexo
voc-Nexe

Pl

Nom-nexi
gen-nexorum
dat- nexis
acc- nexos
abl- nexis
voc- nexi

I don't know why I'm posting, but this is actually incorrect. Nexus is a fourth declension noun so it's

Singular:
nexus
nexus (with a long u)
nexui
nexum
nexu
nexus

Plural:
nexus (with a long u)
nexuum
nexibus
nexus (with a long u)
nexibus
nexus (with a long u)

how do you know nexus isnt 4th declension and it cant be neuter because it is nexus with the us



Apparently, Nexus is first, second, and fourth declension: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nexus#English

Not that I know what the hell that means. Is that like the first generation of Pokemon vs. all the new ones?

Keep arguing though, brb with popcorn.

Actually GGOda is perfectly right. As a noun, nexus belongs only to the fourth declension - just as shown in the wiktionary page you posted (it also notes that it's a masculine noun btw).
Filosoraptor
Profile Joined February 2011
United States21 Posts
April 16 2011 03:51 GMT
#129
latin is a dead language. no one cares
Wise men say forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza
Rickilicious
Profile Joined July 2009
United States220 Posts
April 16 2011 03:56 GMT
#130
The best part about this isn't where you described everything in detail, or the word collosorum.



It's that you linked wikipedia as a source of comparison.
Doug Righteous
Everhate
Profile Joined September 2010
United States640 Posts
April 16 2011 03:57 GMT
#131
On April 16 2011 10:53 MajorityofOne wrote:
Plural of colossus: Colossoraptors, obviously


Totally going to have to start saying that, it's hilarious.

Or go with the snoop approach, where the protoss death ball consists of stizzles, sentrizzles, zizzles, colizzles, and sometimes void rizzles...or vizzle rizzles...not really sure :p
salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
April 16 2011 03:58 GMT
#132
Can we move on to how some people say zEElots and not zEHlots and that it's a "nuclear freakin' missile" not a "nuclear freakin' bomb" and how people misuse meta-game to mean just current trends in strategies when it means anything outside of the core game itself?
Administrator"Ambitious but rubbish!" - Jeremy Clarkson
nufcrulz
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore934 Posts
April 16 2011 04:05 GMT
#133
this whole post doesnt make sense because colossus in this sense is an english word borrowed from latin, so any plural form it might have follows english syntax..
Jarmam
Profile Joined June 2010
Denmark140 Posts
April 16 2011 04:06 GMT
#134
"People called romanes they go the house?"
"It says: Romans go home!"
"... no it doesnt!"

I will start calling it Colossorum when John Cleese starts threatening me with neutering by sword.
"Freedom for Colossus" - White-Ra
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 04:15:17
April 16 2011 04:14 GMT
#135
As a Classics enthusiast and advanced Latin student currently plowing through Cicero, I can sympathize with the aim of this thread. But while this is all very nice for a five-second Latin refresher for the TL community...in the English language (which is what we're all speaking now) all Latin loan-words (such as larva, index, and a billion others) function as English words grammatically, not Latin ones, and use only the nominative singular and plural forms.

This is very similar with how, for instance, Greek loan-words are rendered into Latin; they are modified to use Latin endings. And even Hebrew words, which are less easily rendered into Latin, usually become indeclinable rather than using their full Hebrew declinations.

Because the thing is, English has only two cases, which are identical for all words except personal pronouns, unlike Latin, which has six; and it would be very incorrect and indeed grammatically nonsensical to use the Latin forms for cases which don't exist in the English language. Thus, we treat the word as an English one and use only one form, as is appropriate for English words.

This is just the way language in general works; complaining about people not "pronouncing colossus right" (or rather, complaining about people not declining colossus right, which is rather different) is simply nonsensical from a linguistic perspective. Sure, it doesn't hurt people to be aware of the word's origin; but criticizing people for using it in the correct fashion for a Latin loan-word in the English language is linguistically incorrect and rather petty.

TLDR: This thread makes no sense. Latin loan words in English, just like loan-words in general in almost every language under the sun, behave as English words grammar-wise.

OR

Sermo stultus est.

Amo Colossos; amo lata crura Colossorum. Propter potentiam maximam, do gratias Colossis pro Protossis omnibus!
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44192 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 04:15:52
April 16 2011 04:15 GMT
#136
On April 16 2011 12:56 Rickilicious wrote:
The best part about this isn't where you described everything in detail, or the word collosorum.



It's that you linked wikipedia as a source of comparison.


From five years ago:
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html
Wikipedia is about as accurate as Encyclopedia Britannica.

And Wikipedia has become much more accurate and better protected since then.

I always roll my eyes when people immediately dismiss things that are referenced from Wikipedia, which typically has a plethora of sources documented at the bottom of the entry if you're actually skeptical of the claims.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
April 16 2011 04:17 GMT
#137
On April 16 2011 12:58 salle wrote:
Can we move on to how some people say zEElots and not zEHlots and that it's a "nuclear freakin' missile" not a "nuclear freakin' bomb" and how people misuse meta-game to mean just current trends in strategies when it means anything outside of the core game itself?


u hatin on day9 bro?
Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
April 16 2011 04:18 GMT
#138
Welcome to English, where it is indeed colossi (like eye) and colossi's for possessive.

If you want to debate etymology of every English word, you will never be done. However, since language is organic we may accept that the modern use is the correct use.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
Befree
Profile Joined April 2010
695 Posts
April 16 2011 04:27 GMT
#139
I don't like "trolling" in the form of making arguments that can be actual arguments. It results in a bunch of people thinking you're serious and really no reason for them to not think so.

Anyways just so we have the truth in this thread as well:

Colossus is an English word which comes from latin which comes from greek. There are two acceptable ways to pluralize it, colossuses and colossi. Other conjugations follow typical English grammar rules.
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
April 16 2011 04:38 GMT
#140
Just because it's a latin word, it doesn't mean it gets fully conjugated in latin... We ARE still speaking english when we say colossus.
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