manner of dress definitely increases the attention - but any even remotely attractive girl who works retail I'm sure can relate to you many stories of harrassing behavior. One of my roommates girlfriends used to have a regular at where she worked talk about how he would like to pee on her -.- he wasn't allowed in the store shortly after.

Wrongspeedy

United States1655 Posts

April 04 2011 18:08 GMT

#22

On April 05 2011 02:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think it should be made clear that dressing provocatively or like a slut will certainly make that person appear less professional in his/ her surroundings (jokes aside, please). People will judge others based on many things, clothing included.

However, there is never a justification for rape (i.e. "She was asking for it; look how she was dressed!"), since everyone has a right to dress how they please (assuming it agrees with any given dress code), and no one has a right to force sex on another person.

Case closed.

True and I agree with you, but that wasn't the question asked, so thus, CASE REOPENED!

HERE WE GO! *Passes Beers Around*

Of course they don't have the right to rape someone (which rape wasn't even really discussed specifically in the OP, harassment seemed to be more of an accurate crime), but if someone dresses slutty they are certainly more at risk of being involved in some kind of sexual misconduct.

jjun212

Canada2208 Posts

April 04 2011 18:10 GMT

#23

Yeaaaaaa

I don't know if this is related but I dressed pretty conservative most of the times, just normal jeans, maybe a t-shirt or button up shirt, whatever and whenever I ask a stranger for directions, it's pretty straight forward.

But one time I was taking a hip hop dance class and I was dressed kinda shaggy with high top sneakers, a fitted baseball cap, etc and I remember one time, I was asking someone for the time and when I said excuse me, they looked as if I was gonna rob them or something, wtf, lol.

But I get it. I understand I guess.

*Oups, forgot to comment on the OP. I saw that on the news too in Toronto.

That officer is a fucking tool. Sorry.

I get what he's saying. But you just can't say that shit out loud. Why? Because people are listening.

Did you know that women who are victimized sexually RARELY ever go to the police about this? Or confess it at all? They usually live with it without telling anyone because this is the treatment they received.

- You were dressed provocatively
- Used goods
- You might have a disease now

Etc, etc.

Fuck that cop. (As if being physically invaded isn't bad enough, there will be people afterward who who will attack them again if they reveal what has happened.)

Most of the people on this forum are guys and I seriously don't think any of you can relate to what a girl would feel like after an incident like this. I can't say that I do either but I have studied this unit intensely when I was applying for a division at the police academy.

DarkPlasmaBall

United States46670 Posts

April 04 2011 18:14 GMT

#24

On April 05 2011 03:08 Wrongspeedy wrote:

Show nested quote +

*takes a swig*

I do think that people who dress provocatively are making themselves more at risk as well.

If a man is looking to rape a woman, he's looking to satisfy his sexual urges. His attention will therefore be more likely caught by those who are dressing slutty and all dolled-up, rather than those who are dressed in a frumpy sweatshirt and sweatpants. That's my opinion, anyways.

sOvrn

United States678 Posts

April 04 2011 18:24 GMT

#25

I answered unsure because I'm not sure how most rape scenarios take place and I think this is important to know in order to answer the question. In other words, do most rapes happen like a date rape or is it some creepy guy behind a dumpster who pops out and rapes the first slutty dressed woman he sees. I just don't know, so I can't answer.

Even if what the cop is saying is true, I think women should still dress however they want. Just be careful, travel in groups and make sure you have some kind of plan for self defense to fight back, because I do know (a teacher of mine who focuses mainly on this told our class) that if women fight back their aggressor the chances of them being raped decrease significantly.

nam nam

Sweden4672 Posts

April 04 2011 18:24 GMT

#26

In the large majority of rape cases the victim know the perpetrator beforehand, and in those cases I think you can argue that the way women dress aren't that influential in why it happened. In assault cases where the perpetrator is unknown it might be a larger factor but it is also much rarer. In any case I'm not sure what the point of asking that question is. Does it increase the risk? Probably. Why does it matter?

HCastorp

United States388 Posts

April 04 2011 18:28 GMT

#27

I don't see why you insist on separating the officer's comments from the question you ask.

I think the protesters would likely agree with you that the way one dresses can affect one's chances of being assaulted.

The issue here is how society has created a situation in which that is true, and how we should respond.

plated.rawr

Norway1676 Posts

April 04 2011 18:37 GMT

#28

It massively depends on the rapist, I think. As people have mentioned, rape isn't simply a horny man wanting to get his dick wet. More often than not it's due to psychological factors in the rapist - wanting dominance, wanting to humiliate someone, anger towards women, repressed urges and unreturned emotions, etc. With these factors, I would imagine how the girl looks isn't all that central, aside from evaluating the fitness of her body to decide how much fight she could back (thus leading to more rape of small, skinny girls rather than tall or fat ones, I guess - pure assumption though, I have no statistics).

Now, if it's a drunk guy on the way back home from a party who just wants to fuck, an attractive girl dressing provocatively will have much larger chance of stirring a reaction in him, and what that leads to is completely subjective, but I imagine it's a larger chance the drunk guy would force himself on a hottie with miniskirt and tank top than some anonymous girl in baggy jeans and a long coat.

So yea, while overall I imagine rape victims' clothing is irrelevant, cases probably exist where they provoke the rapist, so you can't say they have no effect either.