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If a being is omnipotent he must know all that was, is and will be.
If he knows all that was, is and will be, he knows all we will do, say ect. ect.
He also knows if we will go to heaven or hell.
Know what we will do, say ect. ect. also means no true free will isn't possible. He already knows that we're going to do that.
Thus, if he already knows all this, our belief in him is pointless. However, he already knows that I was going to come up with this(or those before me, whomever they may be) and thus already knows my fate.
And if he doesn't know this, then he is not omnipotent, and thus not god.
Boggle your mind?
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um, no, he knows what's going to happen and doesn't intervene so it doesn' matter if we believe in him or not, he's already seen both sides and taht doesn't change anything
perhaps he will be biased and torture the nonbelievers but tehre is no impact on whteher or not you believe him other htan mentally so not rly
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There are a lot more problems with the concept of omnipotence, especially in combination with omniscience.
If a being is omnisciencient and knows all that will happen, he is automatically bound to that course for the future. This means his omnipotence is compromised.
Also, i'd like to remind you of Epicurus' riddle:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
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You dont get it guys... its like when you see a Family Guy episode that you've already seen, and you know what will happen, still you laugh...
So god knows this girl will be fried by napalm to death, but still he laughs when it happens 
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On November 05 2004 01:15 exalted wrote:
um, no, he knows what's going to happen and doesn't intervene so it doesn' matter if we believe in him or not, he's already seen both sides and taht doesn't change anything
perhaps he will be biased and torture the nonbelievers but tehre is no impact on whteher or not you believe him other htan mentally so not rly
You don't get it. By him being omnipotent that means there is no alternate. He doesn't know the infinitely great possibilities, he knows the one route all will take throughout all time.
If he doesn't, he's not omnipotent
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Imagine your life as a book. God already knows what is going to happen in the end, but it is your job to fill in the rest of the story.
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SoMuchBetter, you too are not getting it.
If he is omnipotent he knows what the entirety of that story is, was and will be. If he doesn't he is not omnipotent and thus not god.
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On November 05 2004 01:25 SoMuchBetter wrote:
Imagine your life as a book. God already knows what is going to happen in the end, but it is your job to fill in the rest of the story.
Wrong, god would know EVERYTHING that will be written in the middle, not only the end.
He knows what you will do any second of your life, so why would he punish or not punish you if he already knew what was going to happen before you were even born.
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You are so confused. All so called logical paradoxes of omnipotence are nothing examples of consequences of Godel's Theorem, that's all. As for omniscience, yet again, Godel's Theorem is showing there is no such thing.
Not to mention that if you try to describe a phenomena way outside your scope of comprehension (as in ability to describe or understand) and apply this kind of shady logic, you will achieve nothing, but confuse yourself. No formal system can describe something outside it's scope.
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You found one of the logical holes in monotheism. There are very many others.
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Oh this is no fun, where are the Chirstians?... come on guys, defend jesus!
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Simple philosophical thinking. Philosophy is not outside of one's scope and could very well explain it. To claim that I cannot explain something because it is outside of my comprehension while you cannot prove that it is unexplainable is ludicrous.
Otherwise both of you make good points.
And Famouzze, I just found this mindset interesting, so I wanted to discuss it. That's all 
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You didnt want a discussion, you knew this is a one sided ass raping against the religious lol
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I wasn't disapproving or anything, just trying to add to the discussion.
here's my personal favorite logical flaw in the idea: can god make a rock so heavy even he can't lift it? either way he's not omnipotent ^_^
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Can god make a waffle so sweet that he cannot resist it?
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Theoretically, omnipotence is impossible. But of course, God surpasses all theoretical and logical bounds.
It is basically their only argument, that we cannot comprehend it. But if they deem it uncomprehendable then how is it they know we haven't just explained it.
Afterall, they are confessing to not being able to comprehend it and just saying I can't either.
Maybe I CAN comprehend it
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This is discussion is getting stupid, why saying obvious things in fancy words.
Even the most stupid thing as the rock one proves omnipotence is impossible.
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Haha, if god is incomprehensible then there's no reason to believe in him. Or a better way to put it, there would be no reason to believe in the bible / qur`an / etc.
For all we know, we could be interpreting the holy book 180 degrees backwards.
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True dat!
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