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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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sekritzzz
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I wonder if an act of terrorism is only referred to as terrorism when its done by a specific group of people. Shooting political figures for their opinion seems like terrorism to me.... | ||
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Farside
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On January 09 2011 13:52 sekritzzz wrote: A funny comment from CNN. "President Barack Obama sent FBI Director Richard Mueller to help coordinate the joint investigation, which federal authorities stressed did not appear to have any connection to terrorism." I wonder if an act of terrorism is only referred to as terrorism when its done by a specific group of people. Shooting political figures for their opinion seems like terrorism to me.... Terrorism is usually denoted for a large scale attack or group. Murder is just murder, even if it is political. | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
sounds like terrorism to me | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On January 09 2011 13:59 Silidons wrote: Terrorism: * the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear sounds like terrorism to me He was white so that makes it null and void. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Don Coorough, 58, who sat two desks in front of Mr. Loughner in a poetry class last semester, described him as a “troubled young man” and “emotionally underdeveloped.” After another student read a poem about getting an abortion, Mr. Loughner compared the young woman to a “terrorist for killing the baby.” “No one in that class would even sit next to him,” Mr. Coorough said. Another fellow student said that he found Mr. Loughner’s behavior so eccentric — including inappropriate remarks and unusual outbursts — that he wondered if he might be on hallucinogens. Mr. Loughner grew up in Tucson and was an unremarkable student at Mountain View High School, classmates said. Grant Wiens, 22, who graduated in 2006 from Mountain View High School, a year ahead of Mr. Loughner, described him as “a kind of rare bird, very shy.” “He didn’t seem very popular, but he kind of did his own thing,” Mr. Wiens said. Mr. Wiens said that something Mr. Loughner said during a discussion about religion had stuck in his mind: “Whatever happens, happens,” Mr. Wiens recalled the suspect saying. “Might as well enjoy life now.” Source | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
This guy was/is a nutcase. He's not political he's -insane- He rambles about grammar,mind control and currency. Yeah I think he could of been on hallucinogens at least I hope he was on something. It's frightening to think about someone that.. off. Tragic events. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On January 09 2011 13:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The 9 year old that died was born on Sept 11 2001... Holy check, that is a HUGE coincidence. So sad that he was involved in this tragedy. No innocent bystander should become a victim, especially someone so young. | ||
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pfods
United States895 Posts
I heard that someone put up a fake facebook like half an hour after the event, making all sorts of nonsense posts about being a communist and and a democrat, and loving obama and pelosi. One of the news articles or the sherrif, I forget which, mentioned a facebook page that was taken down. Who would benefit by painting this man as a left wing extremist? Every right wing faction in the country. Plus, the second suspect is an old white male. I know you can be old white and male and not be in the tea party, but when you're connected to the assassination attempt of a democratic congresswoman and a federal judge, while the main suspect spews right wing rhetoric, I don't think it's a stretch to say that at the very least he's an american "libertarian", while at worst being part of the tealiban. | ||
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
The way these videos are created show some relation to politics but overall it is just nuts. Nothing of any direction, just insanity. | ||
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pfods
United States895 Posts
On January 09 2011 16:04 Fenrax wrote: I can only repeat this: look at his YT videos. He is not left, not right. He has no politial motives, he is perfectly insane. He rambles about Mind Control by controlling the grammar, that everybody can create his own currency and grammar and other stuff that makes just no sense. The way these videos are created show some relation to politics but overall it is just nuts. Nothing of any direction, just insanity. He uses a lot of metaphors. given that you aren't a native speaker of english(if you're actually german) they were probably lost on you, even if you know english extremely well. That said, controlling people through control of language is an idea directly from 1984, which is the wet dream of dystopias for the far right. I don't think this guy is insane. I think he's pathetic and easily manipulated. | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
On January 09 2011 13:59 Silidons wrote: Terrorism: * the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear sounds like terrorism to me That wasn't the goal though? He disliked her & what she was doing => killed her. There was no overarching plan to instill fear in senators/democrats/etc. in order for them to do things his way. It wasn't terrorism. | ||
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hizBALLIN
United States163 Posts
On January 09 2011 13:59 Silidons wrote: Terrorism: * the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear sounds like terrorism to me The subtleties of the English Language are clearly lost upon you if you can mistake an assassination attempt for terrorism. You should punch all your English teachers in the neck. Clearly the goal was to kill important people, not instill fear by killing people, or he would have chosen easier people to kill. While I'm generally more than happy to call out the American Right for the terrorists that they are, the american habit of calling all acts of violence "terrorism" is like a cancer remaining from the Neo-Con Bush administration. By labeling this as terrorism, you influence the way people approach it, and attempt to construe motive when you have no legitimate means of doing so. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 09 2011 16:23 hizBALLIN wrote: The subtleties of the English Language are clearly lost upon you if you can mistake an assassination attempt for terrorism. You should punch all your English teachers in the neck. Clearly the goal was to kill important people, not instill fear by killing people, or he would have chosen easier people to kill. While I'm generally more than happy to call out the American Right for the terrorists that they are, the american habit of calling all acts of violence "terrorism" is like a cancer remaining from the Neo-Con Bush administration. By labeling this as terrorism, you influence the way people approach it, and attempt to construe motive when you have no legitimate means of doing so. i hear killing people who vote a certain way and believe a certain thing might have some chilling effects on others who are in similar ideological situations -- they may be more ... i dunno ... afraid? to cast that vote in the house next time... furthermore, there is a disjunctive clause ("or") at the end there, so its not only by instilling fear can one be a terrorist. | ||
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pfods
United States895 Posts
On January 09 2011 16:26 annul wrote: do some research on newt gingrich and neurolinguistic programming (NLP) for some great information on how the right wing DOES use language to control people Take our country back. Take it back from who? Who: The thing I fear, I add this myself, or allow the who to be supplanted by others. Take it back: Aggressive words about reacquiring something. The implication is that something was mine, and it was lost. Aggression is obviously appropriate in this case, as I am a victim of theft. So what is the appropriate amount of aggression? Picketing is ineffective, as popular sentiment has implied since the 60s. Perhaps violence will work? Here's a single example of why the poster I just quoted is 100% correct. | ||
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
By the way, here are a few things that some people might have missed. 8:11 PM ET Second Person Involved? The Pima County sheriff's department says that a second person may have been involved in today's shooting. "We're not convinced that [Loughner] acted alone. There is some reason to believe he came to this location with another individual." 7:39 PM ET Suspicious Package At Giffords Office According to KGUN: Giffords' Tucson office has been evacuated due to a suspicious package. | ||
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