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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
December 14 2010 18:37 GMT
#21
On December 15 2010 02:17 NerO wrote:
Hes probably been playing mad SC2 and just technically still plays sc1 for a guaranteed paycheck.


Not everything revolves around SC2.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
December 14 2010 18:45 GMT
#22
I think it's especially sad because everyone knows how Godlike his PvT is... and yet that suddenly all disappeared.
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
December 14 2010 18:49 GMT
#23
wonderful.. I am seriously hoping for jangbi's return!
jaedong imba
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
December 14 2010 19:06 GMT
#24
I like Jangbi, but I don't think he'll ever make a comeback.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
December 14 2010 19:42 GMT
#25
Jangbi...

The first starleague I watched from start to finish was Lost Saga MSL. I remember my 2 favourite players at that time were Jangbi and Luxury, and I was so happy when they both made the finals. After much consideration, I ultimately ended up cheering for Luxury in that match. But had I known Jangbi losing that match would make him become terrible (and I guess you could say Luxury winning that made him terrible as well, but it's hard to tell with the match fixing shenanigans), I wouldn't have wanted the series to go that way.
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
December 14 2010 19:52 GMT
#26
On December 15 2010 04:06 ninazerg wrote:
I like Jangbi, but I don't think he'll ever make a comeback.


if there is a time to make a comeback its this one the maps are more protoss friendly.
Thanks for the write up!
in The Kong line forever
vGDaverave
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Scotland110 Posts
December 14 2010 19:56 GMT
#27
i feel so bad for janbi, hes one of my favorite protoss players i really really hope he gets out of his slump also he was one of the first players i watched when i started watching pro brood war a few years back
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
December 14 2010 20:18 GMT
#28
He had a nice PvZ streak at one point at a time when no one else was winning, that was a glimpse of whats possible as well.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
December 14 2010 20:35 GMT
#29
On December 15 2010 01:57 seRapH wrote:
It's times like these that gives me a glimpse of what it was like to be an eSTRO fan.


Hahahah oh my god yes. Wow.


And like it's been said, I feel the biggest problem with Jangbi right now is his motivation / determination / mindset . We all know he can do it.

We should all make him a cheerful.
~~! youtube.com/xmungam1 !~~
amethyst
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States98 Posts
December 14 2010 20:58 GMT
#30
That was a great write-up. I really enjoyed it, thank you. I've only been following BW for about one and a half years so I wasn't really around when Jangbi was at his peak. I've seen VODs though and it's sad how poorly he's playing now.

Heo Young Moo fighting!
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
December 14 2010 20:58 GMT
#31
While it hurts to see Jangbi slump so hard...HOLY SHIT. I must have seen that video vs Nada a hundred times and it STILL blows my mind.

We miss you Jangbi, come home!
Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
December 14 2010 21:27 GMT
#32
That's what you get for ruining STX's shot at winning the pro-league, Jangbi.
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
December 14 2010 21:47 GMT
#33
stork always seemed to regard jangbi as better than him in interviews, citing practice game results and in-team rankings. seems to be a case of misfortune, nerves, and low morale? i don't know. at this point, it seems too late for him to get his shit together for good anymore.
Moderatorsloppy little slug
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 22:00:27
December 14 2010 22:00 GMT
#34
nvm ~~
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
December 14 2010 22:14 GMT
#35
January is a terrible coach, how is this news.

Look at m18m, a player with the talent of stats who never got any playing room because of an unmodifiable a-team lineup. Jangbi's practice time has been lower than any other progamer's since his MSL silver, and that's only the coach's fault.
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
December 14 2010 22:25 GMT
#36
cool post. yeah i was so disappointed yesterday...
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 14 2010 22:34 GMT
#37
To be honest, I think Khan needs a better coach. I very often find myself questioning January's coaching decisions.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
December 14 2010 23:17 GMT
#38
I'll tell you what's hurting Jangbi. It's kind of a bizarre case.

Let's go back and look at Jangbi's history. When he first came onto the scene he was rumored to be stronger in practice than Stork, and while his overall results didn't support this claim, his PvT results showed a player at least on par with Stork, one of the candidates for #1 all time PvT. Up until his series with NaDa (one of the best PvT series's of all time from both Protoss and Terran perspectives) he maintained 72% wins over Terran. In order to solidify his position as one of the dragons, Jangbi stepped up his game in PvZ and PvP. Just to toss some numbers out there, in the year before his series with NaDa, Jangbi went from an inconsistent 8-10 record in PvZ to a 31-22 record, winning 66% of his games that year and his PvP similarly went from an atrocious 5-11 to a respectable 30-26, winning 63% of his PvP that year.

Basically, Jangbi went from being a one match wonder to an S-class demolisher.

Now let's look at recent stats:

Jangbi is 6-6 in PvP in 2010. Okay, not great, but a number of those games were against solid PvP performers: Horang2 (1-1), Shuttle x2 (0-2), Kal x2 (2-0). That kind of record isn't especially bad when you consider half his games were played against players in the top 5 PvP ELO. Statistically, Jangbi's slip in PvP hasn't been too bad.

Jangbi is 14-10 (58%) in PvZ in 2010. Which is actually pretty good considering how strong ZvP has been. Granted, he's 4-5 in the past 6 months, but 9 games isn't much of a sample. Jangbi's PvZ ELO peak occurred in his match against Roro on May 25 of this year. PvZ is not what's holding Jangbi back.

I think now it should be obvious what the problem is. jangbi is 11-20 in PvT in 2010, a pathetic 35% for a former 70+% Terran killer. He's currently on a 7 game loss streak. Including offline qualifiers, Jangbi is 4-9 in PvT in individual leagues in 2010, 3-9 if you drop those games.

Jangbi's problem is that his best match-up became his worst. Auto win/strong/strong became amatuerish/moderately strong/moderate-moderately strong. Insubstantial dives in PvZ and PvP... HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE dive in PvT.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
December 14 2010 23:36 GMT
#39
On December 15 2010 08:17 Mortality wrote:
I'll tell you what's hurting Jangbi. It's kind of a bizarre case.

Let's go back and look at Jangbi's history. When he first came onto the scene he was rumored to be stronger in practice than Stork, and while his overall results didn't support this claim, his PvT results showed a player at least on par with Stork, one of the candidates for #1 all time PvT. Up until his series with NaDa (one of the best PvT series's of all time from both Protoss and Terran perspectives) he maintained 72% wins over Terran. In order to solidify his position as one of the dragons, Jangbi stepped up his game in PvZ and PvP. Just to toss some numbers out there, in the year before his series with NaDa, Jangbi went from an inconsistent 8-10 record in PvZ to a 31-22 record, winning 66% of his games that year and his PvP similarly went from an atrocious 5-11 to a respectable 30-26, winning 63% of his PvP that year.

Basically, Jangbi went from being a one match wonder to an S-class demolisher.

Now let's look at recent stats:

Jangbi is 6-6 in PvP in 2010. Okay, not great, but a number of those games were against solid PvP performers: Horang2 (1-1), Shuttle x2 (0-2), Kal x2 (2-0). That kind of record isn't especially bad when you consider half his games were played against players in the top 5 PvP ELO. Statistically, Jangbi's slip in PvP hasn't been too bad.

Jangbi is 14-10 (58%) in PvZ in 2010. Which is actually pretty good considering how strong ZvP has been. Granted, he's 4-5 in the past 6 months, but 9 games isn't much of a sample. Jangbi's PvZ ELO peak occurred in his match against Roro on May 25 of this year. PvZ is not what's holding Jangbi back.

I think now it should be obvious what the problem is. jangbi is 11-20 in PvT in 2010, a pathetic 35% for a former 70+% Terran killer. He's currently on a 7 game loss streak. Including offline qualifiers, Jangbi is 4-9 in PvT in individual leagues in 2010, 3-9 if you drop those games.

Jangbi's problem is that his best match-up became his worst. Auto win/strong/strong became amatuerish/moderately strong/moderate-moderately strong. Insubstantial dives in PvZ and PvP... HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE dive in PvT.


it all started when he lost to baby in gom
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 23:48:02
December 14 2010 23:39 GMT
#40
On December 15 2010 07:14 r33k wrote:
January is a terrible coach, how is this news.

Look at m18m, a player with the talent of stats who never got any playing room because of an unmodifiable a-team lineup.

So that would make Oz's Cho also terrible because under his watch ggaemo and perfectman were both bad? Coaches aren't the only variables in the equation.

Jangbi has been going downhill for a while (just like FBH did the previous year), though he still has moments of brilliance, like those storms vs Zero. Maybe his passion for the game is starting to fade, maybe he's just not able to keep up well as in previous years, maybe its just a matter of moral/self esteem, or maybe its something in his personal life that is distracting him.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
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