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Ryo
8787 Posts
On December 15 2010 02:17 NerO wrote: Hes probably been playing mad SC2 and just technically still plays sc1 for a guaranteed paycheck. Not everything revolves around SC2. | ||
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Wings
United States999 Posts
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
 The first starleague I watched from start to finish was Lost Saga MSL. I remember my 2 favourite players at that time were Jangbi and Luxury, and I was so happy when they both made the finals. After much consideration, I ultimately ended up cheering for Luxury in that match. But had I known Jangbi losing that match would make him become terrible (and I guess you could say Luxury winning that made him terrible as well, but it's hard to tell with the match fixing shenanigans), I wouldn't have wanted the series to go that way. | ||
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
On December 15 2010 04:06 ninazerg wrote: I like Jangbi, but I don't think he'll ever make a comeback. if there is a time to make a comeback its this one the maps are more protoss friendly. Thanks for the write up! | ||
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vGDaverave
Scotland110 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
On December 15 2010 01:57 seRapH wrote: It's times like these that gives me a glimpse of what it was like to be an eSTRO fan. Hahahah oh my god yes. Wow. And like it's been said, I feel the biggest problem with Jangbi right now is his motivation / determination / mindset . We all know he can do it. We should all make him a cheerful. | ||
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amethyst
United States98 Posts
Heo Young Moo fighting! | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
We miss you Jangbi, come home! | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
Look at m18m, a player with the talent of stats who never got any playing room because of an unmodifiable a-team lineup. Jangbi's practice time has been lower than any other progamer's since his MSL silver, and that's only the coach's fault. | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Let's go back and look at Jangbi's history. When he first came onto the scene he was rumored to be stronger in practice than Stork, and while his overall results didn't support this claim, his PvT results showed a player at least on par with Stork, one of the candidates for #1 all time PvT. Up until his series with NaDa (one of the best PvT series's of all time from both Protoss and Terran perspectives) he maintained 72% wins over Terran. In order to solidify his position as one of the dragons, Jangbi stepped up his game in PvZ and PvP. Just to toss some numbers out there, in the year before his series with NaDa, Jangbi went from an inconsistent 8-10 record in PvZ to a 31-22 record, winning 66% of his games that year and his PvP similarly went from an atrocious 5-11 to a respectable 30-26, winning 63% of his PvP that year. Basically, Jangbi went from being a one match wonder to an S-class demolisher. Now let's look at recent stats: Jangbi is 6-6 in PvP in 2010. Okay, not great, but a number of those games were against solid PvP performers: Horang2 (1-1), Shuttle x2 (0-2), Kal x2 (2-0). That kind of record isn't especially bad when you consider half his games were played against players in the top 5 PvP ELO. Statistically, Jangbi's slip in PvP hasn't been too bad. Jangbi is 14-10 (58%) in PvZ in 2010. Which is actually pretty good considering how strong ZvP has been. Granted, he's 4-5 in the past 6 months, but 9 games isn't much of a sample. Jangbi's PvZ ELO peak occurred in his match against Roro on May 25 of this year. PvZ is not what's holding Jangbi back. I think now it should be obvious what the problem is. jangbi is 11-20 in PvT in 2010, a pathetic 35% for a former 70+% Terran killer. He's currently on a 7 game loss streak. Including offline qualifiers, Jangbi is 4-9 in PvT in individual leagues in 2010, 3-9 if you drop those games. Jangbi's problem is that his best match-up became his worst. Auto win/strong/strong became amatuerish/moderately strong/moderate-moderately strong. Insubstantial dives in PvZ and PvP... HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE dive in PvT. | ||
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Ideas
United States8167 Posts
On December 15 2010 08:17 Mortality wrote: I'll tell you what's hurting Jangbi. It's kind of a bizarre case. Let's go back and look at Jangbi's history. When he first came onto the scene he was rumored to be stronger in practice than Stork, and while his overall results didn't support this claim, his PvT results showed a player at least on par with Stork, one of the candidates for #1 all time PvT. Up until his series with NaDa (one of the best PvT series's of all time from both Protoss and Terran perspectives) he maintained 72% wins over Terran. In order to solidify his position as one of the dragons, Jangbi stepped up his game in PvZ and PvP. Just to toss some numbers out there, in the year before his series with NaDa, Jangbi went from an inconsistent 8-10 record in PvZ to a 31-22 record, winning 66% of his games that year and his PvP similarly went from an atrocious 5-11 to a respectable 30-26, winning 63% of his PvP that year. Basically, Jangbi went from being a one match wonder to an S-class demolisher. Now let's look at recent stats: Jangbi is 6-6 in PvP in 2010. Okay, not great, but a number of those games were against solid PvP performers: Horang2 (1-1), Shuttle x2 (0-2), Kal x2 (2-0). That kind of record isn't especially bad when you consider half his games were played against players in the top 5 PvP ELO. Statistically, Jangbi's slip in PvP hasn't been too bad. Jangbi is 14-10 (58%) in PvZ in 2010. Which is actually pretty good considering how strong ZvP has been. Granted, he's 4-5 in the past 6 months, but 9 games isn't much of a sample. Jangbi's PvZ ELO peak occurred in his match against Roro on May 25 of this year. PvZ is not what's holding Jangbi back. I think now it should be obvious what the problem is. jangbi is 11-20 in PvT in 2010, a pathetic 35% for a former 70+% Terran killer. He's currently on a 7 game loss streak. Including offline qualifiers, Jangbi is 4-9 in PvT in individual leagues in 2010, 3-9 if you drop those games. Jangbi's problem is that his best match-up became his worst. Auto win/strong/strong became amatuerish/moderately strong/moderate-moderately strong. Insubstantial dives in PvZ and PvP... HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE dive in PvT. it all started when he lost to baby in gom | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On December 15 2010 07:14 r33k wrote: January is a terrible coach, how is this news. Look at m18m, a player with the talent of stats who never got any playing room because of an unmodifiable a-team lineup. So that would make Oz's Cho also terrible because under his watch ggaemo and perfectman were both bad? Coaches aren't the only variables in the equation. Jangbi has been going downhill for a while (just like FBH did the previous year), though he still has moments of brilliance, like those storms vs Zero. Maybe his passion for the game is starting to fade, maybe he's just not able to keep up well as in previous years, maybe its just a matter of moral/self esteem, or maybe its something in his personal life that is distracting him. | ||
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