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moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1546 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 17:58:01
December 14 2010 16:48 GMT
#1
Warning: Contains spoilers of recent games.


“Maybe amongst amateurs… the best among amateurs? But I don’t think he’s progamer level.”

What almost seems like dramatic irony now, these were (P)JangBi’s words describing (P)Nal_rA’s play earlier this year. After seeing one of his recalls:
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Yet in today’s match against (T)BByong – who now has a win rate against Protoss of 45.45% and an overall win rate of 42.86% – some of (P)JangBi’s recalls weren't much better.

(P)JangBi still holds the ELO peak in PvT. When thinking of his versus Terran moments like this spring to mind:


In that time, almost two years ago, (P)JangBi reached three Starleague finals in just 5 months. After losing two of them 3-1 to (P)Bisu and the other to (Z)Luxury he began to slump to an extent. But slumping as players do, and as he did then, never have I seen a player slump so hard as (P)JangBi in the last few months:
+ Show Spoiler [JangBi's Current Record] +

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Finally breaking his 0-11 losing streak with a win over (Z)HoeJJa his luck didn’t turn as he lost to (Z)Hydra and SKT1’s rookie Terran, (T)Ssak, putting him out of the MSL. In his next match game, over two weeks later at the beginning of Proleague round 2, against (Z)Saint, he secured another win. That made two wins in his last 15 games, both against Zergs who’s records are as following:
+ Show Spoiler [HoeJJa's Current Record] +

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+ Show Spoiler [Saint's Current Record] +

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Nothing to get too hyped up about. But in his interview after his win over (Z)Saint, he seemed to be regaining confidence. He said he is a player of momentum, “When I win, I go on a winning streak, and when I lose, I fall into a losing one.” (See full interview here). So I hoped he was right, that he could find his way out of this. But it wasn’t to be as just three days later he lost to (P)Stats.

When (P)JangBi went up against (Z)Zero last week I assumed it would be a non-event, another failure, we can re-live some of it thanks to Zona’s commentary on the LR Thread:

Zona December 12 2010 14:13
jangbi = screwed
but now he's moving out with 6 sairs - hunting down fast OL's
but mass lings moving out for zero
jangbi better hold his choke!

December 12 2010 14:16
jangbi taking his 3rd at 6
but zero adding more and more hydra
morphing a few lurkers too
I don't think Jangbi can hold

December 12 2010 14:18.
jangbi on 7 gates now, shuttle loads up dt
his observatory finishes
zealot/archon needs to flee from lurkers outside jangbi's nat
lurkers burrowing in range of the nat
mass hydra join them
jangbi sending out zealots one by one to die
he still has no detection
hydra moving into the nat!
probes not being pulled
hydra trying to snipe retreating templar

December 12 2010 14:18.
hydra about to destroy jangbi's robo AND spinning core
zero about to lose his lair in his main
but jangbi losing his nat
zero loses his lair!
ol/hydra take their revent on the dt
jangbi's 3rd not mining at all, 2 probes there idle

December 12 2010 14:21.
jangbi not contrlling his airs [sic.] though and loses the last 3 of them
zealot/templar drop on zero's main
tries to storm the retreating drones, only gets 3 - huge storm drop at the nat though - probably 12 drone kills!

And then it began:
+ Show Spoiler [STORMMUUU!!!] +

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Let’s take a look at that moment in the VOD:

(Z)Zero’s face said it all.

And as the game rolled on:
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He took a break to smile at the camera! Was it true, was (P)JangBi really back? (Z)Zero is a top level Zerg, and he had been ahead all game, this was an amazing comeback.

So I went in to today’s game with high hopes, stupidly high hopes. Not too long into the game:
+ Show Spoiler [LR Thread] +

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And though it was a long – and quite exciting – game, these turned out to be recurring themes. (P)JangBi seemed slow to deal with and clean up harasses, he was careless with mines, at one point he engaged (T)BByong’s army before his Zealot’s arrived, saving himself by a clutch stasis so his Dragoon’s could escape just as four or five Zealots arrived. Later we saw what looked like a “Bermuda recall” but (P)JangBi cleverly took out all (T)BByong’s detection so the recall did a lot more damage than expected destroying a lot of depots. But the game trawled on, and after a lot of expos being taken out by both players, (P)JangBi finally gg’d while losing the last of his army in the final engagement. Before today (T)BByong's TvP was 40% (okay, he'd only played ten TvP's in his career) but a better Terran would have ended that game far far sooner.

(P)JangBi's decline can be seen most clearly from the following statistics:
2008
All - 68 wins - 32 losses (68.00%)
PvP - 22 wins - 14 losses (61.11%)
PvT - 27 wins - 10 losses (72.97%)
PvZ - 19 wins - 8 losses (70.37%)

2009
All - 56 wins - 46 losses (54.90%)
PvP - 18 wins - 14 losses (56.25%)
PvT - 21 wins - 11 losses (65.63%)
PvZ - 17 wins - 21 losses (44.74%)

2010
All - 31 wins - 36 losses (46.27%)
PvP - 6 wins - 6 losses (50.00%)
PvT - 11 wins - 20 losses (35.48%)
PvZ - 14 wins - 10 losses (58.33%)

As pointed out by Mortality, his PvT has gone from being his best match-up to his worst match-up. He has gone from almost a 73% win-rate to a shocking 35%. His overall win-rate has plummeted in that time too, dropping lamost 13% each year. He has gone from almost S-class to, as he described (P)Nal_rA, maybe amateur... "the best among amateurs but..."

In the last few days we got see some glimpses of the old (P)JangBi, that epic spell micro – an example from today:

Here's the LR Thread from that moment:
+ Show Spoiler [stasis] +

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But what we have seen is only a shade of the old (P)JangBi. Maybe January needs to try something different, when (P)Bisu was slumping earlier this year Coach Park changed his practice routine, he didn't play (P)Bisu for a few matches and when he came back he was on form again. Whatever January needs to do for one of her star players, she needs to do it soon. Not since (Z)Savior's fall a few years ago have I seen such a slump (and after the match-fixing scandal that can hardly be counted any more).

It really is a tough time to be a (P)JangBi fan.

Heo Yeong Moo fighting.
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4505 Posts
December 14 2010 16:54 GMT
#2
This is probably the saddest story in Progaming right now. Let's hope he regains some of that old spark.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
December 14 2010 16:56 GMT
#3
Jangbi has always been incredibly inconsistent. That game against Nada with the insane storms sort of felt like his debut as an s-class progamer. But around the time he was making it to starleague finals, he just sort of started slowly falling apart. He became just plain uninteresting a while ago. I got sick of seeing his retarded play that really didn't do justice to the monstrous potential he showed when he first made it big on the scene.
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
December 14 2010 16:57 GMT
#4
It's times like these that gives me a glimpse of what it was like to be an eSTRO fan.
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KTF_CloaK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1338 Posts
December 14 2010 16:57 GMT
#5
I think it's sad though, he was such a good player...

at least we have vods :D i mean OMG that game against flash on blue storm? epicc
KT Rolster for the win!! Lee-Young-Ho hwaiting!!
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
December 14 2010 16:58 GMT
#6
Nice write-up! Jangbi come back to being good
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 17:04:35
December 14 2010 17:03 GMT
#7
If you've been watching Jangbi over the last few years you would sense his loss in confidence. He lost his edge. To be honest, I never thought he was that good of a player. He definitely had good storms, but from what I recall early on in his career he would always rely on gimmicky builds like proxy reavers. His element of surprise is gone. :/
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1546 Posts
December 14 2010 17:03 GMT
#8
On December 15 2010 01:57 KTF_CloaK wrote:
I think it's sad though, he was such a good player...

at least we have vods :D i mean OMG that game against flash on blue storm? epicc

I was going to include that stalemate on Blue Storm alright but it didn't really fit
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
December 14 2010 17:06 GMT
#9
Nice post, I really miss Jangbi being in top form. Here's hoping that he emerges from this slump soon!
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
December 14 2010 17:06 GMT
#10
Jangbi was at his peak when I started to follow progaming, his actual state is quite sad.
I don't think he is coming back, his slump was too deep for too long.

Protoss' hope lies with Kal, Best, Free and Pure (I'm biased towards Pure, really like his play when he wins).
Despite his twelves games winning streak I'm still not convinced that Bisu is back, and Paralyze still has to prove his worth.
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1546 Posts
December 14 2010 17:11 GMT
#11
On December 15 2010 02:06 Caos2 wrote:
Jangbi was at his peak when I started to follow progaming, his actual state is quite sad.
I don't think he is coming back, his slump was too deep for too long.

Protoss' hope lies with Kal, Best, Free and Pure (I'm biased towards Pure, really like his play when he wins).
Despite his twelves games winning streak I'm still not convinced that Bisu is back, and Paralyze still has to prove his worth.

Pure, Free and Best haven't been doing too well lately, I agree with you about Bisu, until I see him beat a few solid Terrans I won't be convinced he's fully back. I think by.Sun probably has more potential than Paralyze.
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
December 14 2010 17:17 GMT
#12
Wow what a post! Superb.
Nal_Ra/Much/Horang2/Flying fighting!~
NerO
Profile Joined February 2003
United States2071 Posts
December 14 2010 17:17 GMT
#13
Hes probably been playing mad SC2 and just technically still plays sc1 for a guaranteed paycheck.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
December 14 2010 17:39 GMT
#14
On December 15 2010 02:03 StarStruck wrote:
If you've been watching Jangbi over the last few years you would sense his loss in confidence. He lost his edge. To be honest, I never thought he was that good of a player. He definitely had good storms, but from what I recall early on in his career he would always rely on gimmicky builds like proxy reavers. His element of surprise is gone. :/

Actually, I always thought of him as a more solid mechanical player. He never really seemed to have a terribly strong sense of timing to me, but was a very solid player who rose with the macro age of the game when it was really settling in.

I mean...compared to Stork, it's really really really unfair to call Jangbi gimmicky, lolol.
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lastreason
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania250 Posts
December 14 2010 17:41 GMT
#15
i guess this thread is wrong, i mean i would compare jangbi with fbh , they are exceptional players , you can't say he reached 3 finals by luck , and those skills are not forgotten , the fact that this thread is missing, is the confidence of the players , it's like a moving sand , u know that u can beat your opponent but by the fact that u question your self and your abilities u already lost the game even before it begins
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 17:46:45
December 14 2010 17:43 GMT
#16
PH that's why I said early on. :/

I think we can agree on one thing though. He hasn't been a good player in a very long time and I don't see this changing anytime soon. Maybe more Protoss friendly maps would help, but somehow I doubt that.

Protoss needs new blood.
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
December 14 2010 17:45 GMT
#17
It's always nice when Jangbi wins . His game against ZerO was amazing, one of the best comebacks I've seen in a while. I hope he gets out of this slump and dominates again.
dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
December 14 2010 17:47 GMT
#18
I never understood the reason why he slumped so hard in the first place. I would love to see the old strong jangbi back, sadly I doubt it's going to happen.
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 14 2010 18:00 GMT
#19
On December 15 2010 02:47 dinmsab wrote:
I never understood the reason why he slumped so hard in the first place. I would love to see the old strong jangbi back, sadly I doubt it's going to happen.


Yeah I don't get it. He was great... Wonder what changed.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9538 Posts
December 14 2010 18:19 GMT
#20
It's always sad when you're favorite player is slumping.

I'm still waiting for (P)Reach comeback!
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