EPTI'm looking for a great player to maybe watch some replays.
Dimaga,TLO,idra,etc..
I couldn't find any posts like it, so I thought I'd ask.
Best non Korean zerg
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Wollhead
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I'm looking for a great player to maybe watch some replays. Dimaga,TLO,idra,etc.. I couldn't find any posts like it, so I thought I'd ask. | ||
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ZomgTossRush
United States1041 Posts
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Draconicfire
Canada2562 Posts
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tx.zyclon
United States145 Posts
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Wollhead
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
Haypro could be in those top 4 but he has yet to prove himself. | ||
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Flaunt
New Zealand784 Posts
idrA, Sen, Dimaga, DarkForce, Machine, Ret and lalush off the top of my head. http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankings http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players | ||
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Peekaboo
Canada219 Posts
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Yokoblue
Canada594 Posts
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Quasimoto3000
United States471 Posts
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k20
United States342 Posts
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Wollhead
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mingy
United States9 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44376 Posts
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iNoobSoWhat
Russian Federation370 Posts
On November 16 2010 11:57 Flaunt wrote: http://www.sc2rep.com/ IdrA, Sen, DIMAGA, DarKFoRcE, Machine, ret and LaLuSh off the top of my head. Agreed it's top non-korean zerg. But they all did so many mistakes and so bad compare to top korean zerg.  | ||
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WeeKeong
United States282 Posts
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corpsepose
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Deathstar
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unbal3
Korea (South)131 Posts
That said, off the top of my head, IdrA, Dimaga, TLO, Ret, Sen. There are more good players i'm forgetting, but that should be enough to get you started. | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
Aggressive / Creative - TLO, Slush, Dimaga (sometimes) Hard Macro - IdrA, Dimaga (also sometimes, hence his well-roundedness) At least that's how I see it. On November 16 2010 12:06 unbal3 wrote: NesTea would be a great first choice when looking for replays. I'm sure Artosis would agree. No reason not to watch Koreans. I don't mean to sound snobby, but it's probably not a bad idea to watch replays of the people who win the big-time tourneys (ie Koreans). That said, off the top of my head, IdrA, Dimaga, TLO, Ret, Sen. There are more good players i'm forgetting, but that should be enough to get you started. I agree don't rule out Korean replays, however I think he wanted to known non-Koreans to look at as he probably has already seen the GSL and many Korean Zerg replays. Also be weary of watching the very TOP level play and emulating that play, especially timing pushes, average players on ladder play far differently. Don't dis-regard the incredible play of the pros, but take with a grain of salt in knowing that most of your opponents won't conform to what one would 'expect' when facing a pro. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On November 16 2010 11:58 Peekaboo wrote: For watching replays, I'd say Sen or Dimaga. I find watching Idra not very helpful to my own gameplay, but styles may differ. Exactly the opposite for me. Idra has the most solid/consistent builds of any foreign zerg, which makes it so much easier to learn from his style. Dimaga and Sen can just end up doing mind-boggling weird and ineffective strategies some games(See dimaga vs White ra in showmatch/blizzcon or Sen in blizzcon/MLG). They both seem very inconsistent lately. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
Personally im not a big fan of Dimaga. He just seems unstable in his play. | ||
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
Give Ret another month and he should be a beast, might even supersede Idra eventually. TLO will be really innovative, I think he will probably the # 3 best non Korean Zerg. | ||
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Tyler918273
115 Posts
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netherDrake
Singapore1831 Posts
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b_unnies
3579 Posts
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iNoobSoWhat
Russian Federation370 Posts
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lazyfeet
United States468 Posts
On November 16 2010 12:07 Tachion wrote: Exactly the opposite for me. Idra has the most solid/consistent builds of any foreign zerg, which makes it so much easier to learn from his style. Dimaga and Sen can just end up doing mind-boggling weird and ineffective strategies some games(See dimaga vs White ra in showmatch/blizzcon or Sen in blizzcon/MLG). They both seem very inconsistent lately. Show me one replay where sen or Dimaga doing mind-boggling weird and ineffective strategies. Watching idra maybe a good way to learn zerg play but please don't bring down other good players just because your Idra's fanboy. Idra is good in zvt but i think dimaga is better in zvz. | ||
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m1nx
32 Posts
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universalwill
United States654 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On November 16 2010 12:14 lazyfeet wrote: Show me one replay where sen or Dimaga doing mind-boggling weird and ineffective strategies. Watching idra maybe a good way to learn zerg play but please don't bring down other good players just because your Idra's fanboy. Idra is good in zvt but i think dimaga is better in zvz. I just gave you 2 examples for each player....If you want a specific example for Sen, check out Sen vs loner from blizzcon. | ||
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-Exalt-
United States972 Posts
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
Ret is going to be ridiculously, retardedly good. I can't wait. Oh jeez On November 16 2010 12:34 bearhug wrote: GOMtv.net Group A of day 2 just started their first matches. FruitDealer, NesTea and LiquidRet, LoveRip, TSL_Rain are in Group A. Also two US Airforce came out to participate but lost in their first match. | ||
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iNoobSoWhat
Russian Federation370 Posts
On November 16 2010 12:35 ionlyplayPROtoss wrote: No one is better than idra korea or not unless he gets cheesed in a zvz, tvz and pvz FYP | ||
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frogmelter
United States971 Posts
No one has been quite as good in his plays... The only reps out there are tournament reps | ||
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Karthane
United States1183 Posts
Want some creative play go with TLO and Dimaga | ||
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zoOv
Australia269 Posts
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iNoobSoWhat
Russian Federation370 Posts
On November 16 2010 12:39 Karthane wrote: If you want solid play go with Idra, Machine, maybe even Artosis Want some creative play go with TLO and Dimaga If i want solid + creative play? Like Mondragon in BW? | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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hdkhang
Australia183 Posts
Dimaga (3rd@IEM, 4th@Blizzcon) The rest have yet to prove themselves. | ||
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insta
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G5
United States2898 Posts
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iNoobSoWhat
Russian Federation370 Posts
On November 16 2010 12:51 G5 wrote: IdrA, Artosis, Machine Poll is best non-korean zerg, not best US zerg | ||
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skirmisheR
Sweden451 Posts
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DaemonX
545 Posts
On November 16 2010 11:59 Tha_Docta wrote: Sen Dimaga Idra for me, maybe ret but I havent seen enough of him Agreed. Top: Idra, Dimaga, Sen Tier 2 (amazing players but shouldn't bother trying GSL just yet): Ret, TLO, Machine (after his MLG performance I include him among the better players), Haypro, Slush Rest are nothing special really. | ||
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FullofNguyen
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G5
United States2898 Posts
On November 16 2010 12:53 iNoobSoWhat wrote: Poll is best non-korean zerg, not best US zerg IdrA, Artosis, Machine | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
why not just get the best replays u can? anyway try madfrog or dimaga | ||
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Twistacles
Canada1327 Posts
edit: duh dimaga | ||
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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ccHaZaRd
Canada1024 Posts
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tzenes
Canada64 Posts
Take TLO for example: Great player, very fun to watch, probably the worst person to learn from. While TLO has an innovative style, many of the things he does only make sense once you've really become a good player. For someone who is still struggling with spreading creep watching TLO is probably the worst thing you can do. On the other hand, if you're looking for someone doing something different, or cool, definitely a good place to start. I think Ret also falls into this category of amazing players which are tons of fun to watch, but hard to learn from. Why does Ret choose 4 Roaches as the moment to cut all gas and drone production? He has well defined timing pushes and really has a good feel for his race, but until you're really 1500+ Diamond, probably not that helpful. By comparison I think a player who is really good to learn from is Machine. Machine plays a very Macro oriented style, but he does it with precision. He doesn't miss an opportunity to expand, he never wastes larva he would rather spend on drones, he does a phenomenal job with the basics. Not the most interesting player, but very informative to watch. So I guess it comes down to, are you trying to be entertained? or to learn something? | ||
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seiferoth10
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
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Shinkugami
England74 Posts
Just on the top 200 there are far better zergs than TLO or Dimaga... Idra, Slush, Sheth, Dhalism come to mind. | ||
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Easy772
374 Posts
I just think he has the talent along with the dedication. | ||
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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Zerokaiser
Canada885 Posts
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fean0r
Germany117 Posts
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LeCastor
France234 Posts
He is rarely outplayed in a macro game vs Terran or Protoss. Back in beta it used to be Sen, but his new style of play seems less effective. I think he is less scary now. | ||
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ShLiM
Bulgaria178 Posts
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magha
Netherlands427 Posts
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Congism
Scotland123 Posts
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LazerApe
Sweden206 Posts
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MustSeeSC
United States83 Posts
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Zzang
1303 Posts
Personally, next closest criteria I can think of would be an overall tournament performance, with varying weights placed on each tournament(where "overall difficulty to win or advance as far as possible"** determines the weight of each one). With such criteria in mind the winner is Idra. However if one picks different criteria, such as "entertainment value", "creativity", "consistency",or others, then best non-Korean zerg might just as well be MadFrog, or any mentioned above. *- or at least come as close as possible to being purely objective) ** - a lot of variables could be included such as size, prize pool, difficulty of opponents, etc | ||
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DJ Roomba
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ev8
United States112 Posts
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drlame
Sweden574 Posts
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
Add that to what else the thread suggested, I didnt see madfriog. I like his odd style.. | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
When TLO finds his inner zerg again, he'll overthrow Idra. When ret irons out his weaknesses, he'll overthrow TLO. When morrow has relearned sc2 from a zerg perspective, he'll overthrow ret. As far as who to learn from: Firstly: Learn to play very basic and solid while getting your mechanics and macro up from idra. Secondly: Learn the tao of zerg, like creep spread, map presence and when to expand from ret. Lastly: Get entirely new perspectives on zerg from TLO. | ||
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Scruff
Singapore509 Posts
Don't think TLO is really up there though considering he just switched. | ||
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ci_esteban
United States217 Posts
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
Gracken is as solid as a zerg can get, GSL 3 times in a row like that? His only weakness playing against is super unorthodox stuff, he said that himself didn´t he? | ||
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Gaxton
Sweden2328 Posts
Now: Idra Future: Ret | ||
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Mongery
892 Posts
otherwise, maybe TLO? there isnt that much "good good" zergs atm, and btw i cant forget ret. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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whiteLotus
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EatCrow
Estonia333 Posts
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ZooG
Sweden618 Posts
(both through to GSL3 Ro64) | ||
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Tarbosh
United States127 Posts
2- Ret 3- Everyone else | ||
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Wollhead
63 Posts
On November 16 2010 12:10 Tyler918273 wrote: I just have to ask why you qualified it as non Korean? Obviously some of the best are Korean so why not watch their replays? I'm really only bringing this up because my favorite to watch is probably ArgosZenith, but if you dont want to watch him because if his human race, I won't judge. Btw I'm kidding and not implying racism or anything but I dont understand the exclusion of so many good players. I simply watched ALOT of gsl and i haven't seen many non korean zergs. I just want to give other players a chance no racism intented. | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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