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I realize there are dozens of threads on this, but Jesus Christ, this is pretty ridiculous.
User was temp banned for this post.
So, mules are OP.
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Fruscainte
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I realize there are dozens of threads on this, but Jesus Christ, this is pretty ridiculous. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Kennigit
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Captain Peabody
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Edit: Never close this. | ||
mikeymoo
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Zerksys
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:00 Kennigit wrote: Leaving this open as an example for how to get banned for making a piece of garbage thread. ironically while trolling sc2 players with your sig | ||
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gods_basement
United States305 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:02 Vei wrote: ironically while trolling sc2 players with your sig not ironic nor trolling | ||
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Vei
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Sc1pio
United States823 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:05 Vei wrote: the irony is that this thread is an example on how to not make inciting/unbacked claims, and his sig does something similar...although i realize it's obv not an exact parallel, i just find all the bw players' hate on sc2 to be getting trite by now. I'm pretty sure you just called out Kennegit for trolling in his sig and then, two posts later, subsequently get trolled by the same exact sig. | ||
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Kishkumen
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youngminii
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Rodregeus
Australia126 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:05 Vei wrote: the irony is that this thread is an example on how to not make inciting/unbacked claims, and his sig does something similar...although i realize it's obv not an exact parallel, i just find all the bw players' hate on sc2 to be getting trite by now. I wouldn't say it's entirely unbacked. As he has visual evidence! P.S. I play Terran P.P.S. I realize there are many factors not seen in the "evidence". | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
To little effort? | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
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vectorix108
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Zeroes
United States1102 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:10 youngminii wrote: I would hate SC2 players too if I was a bw player, just look at this thread. LOOK AT IT. lol its not like bw players made stupid posts back in the day | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:10 youngminii wrote: I would hate SC2 players too if I was a bw player, just look at this thread. LOOK AT IT. not really i don't tend to hate on huge groups because of a (stupid) vocal minority... On October 05 2010 12:10 Rodregeus wrote: I wouldn't say it's entirely unbacked. As he has visual evidence! P.S. I play Terran P.P.S. I realize there are many factors not seen in the "evidence". i mean i think most people would agree that mule is "easy" because it has no cooldown so you don't get punished nearly hard enough for being bad at macro, but this post obviously didn't go into any detail on what aspects of the MULE are broken, if that is at a gold patch, etc etc. | ||
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:11 Fa1nT wrote: What rule did the OP violate exactly? o.o To little effort? Shitty OP prolly. The thread goes nowhere and is illogical. This is like posting a picture of Hitler petting a kitten and saying he was a kind man. wow, 900 posts and you you still haven't learned these things. I thought you were new | ||
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Integra
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Fianchetto
United States157 Posts
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DyEnasTy
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andiCR
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Cerecyte
United States15 Posts
Talk about biased censorship. I look forward to being baned. Given that if you baned him you most certainly have to ban anyone defending his right to post this. User was banned for this post. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
I'm not saying that its OP, but its an important thing to know as a player. | ||
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thezergk
United States492 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25979 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:00 Kennigit wrote: Leaving this open as an example for how to get banned for making a piece of garbage thread. LOL I was salivating when I clicked this thread. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
mules are TEMPORARY, this is (probably) on a gold patch, if you snipe mules you lose all that income, chrono boost makes workers OR production, mules can't mine gas, inject does both econ or production etc, etc, etc. There needs to be context for stuff to make sense. | ||
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:13 Fianchetto wrote: Whys the thread garbage? A picture says 1000 words Well he could have screencapped 2 sec later when the income is at 300 or well mentioned that the terran had 3 mules saved up and that the toss had that one one base (waayyy oversaturated meaning like 15 of those probes aren't doing anything, the toss didn't have gas taken at his one base yet I believe). It's just so biased... | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Sc1pio
United States823 Posts
I don't see the problem. | ||
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IPlaySC
United States79 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=122514 probably not though, since OP isnt here to make a fool of himself... | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:17 mierin wrote: I was watching the daily, and was waiting for someone to post this (in all fairness, day9 actually himself asked someone to post it on TL). Too bad he got temp banned though (been there), so welcome back after the 2 days. day9 has been doing the sarcastic "terran op" "banshee get 50 kills" "planetary fortresses are invincible" for a while now TL mods probably though it was funny too, a month ago, but probably get just super annoyed now oh well, can't blame them, their forum their rules | ||
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Hynda
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SubtleArt
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On October 05 2010 12:11 Fa1nT wrote: What rule did the OP violate exactly? o.o To little effort? Basically doing everything he shouldn't in am imba thread: - short, no effort whatsoever - pathetic "proof" that doesn't take anything into account (how many patches are the probes mining off from example? theres 38 probes but if it was in 1 base then that's barely better than 24, etc) - shortsighted argument - completely unsubstantiated claim with no effort at a developed argument , or any elaboration beyond a picture and a sentence - Covering a topic that's been beaten to death, and has been addressed by better players with better arguements. | ||
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Rodregeus
Australia126 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:15 QuothTheRaven wrote: It is interesting, though, to note that 3 mules is equivalent to one fully saturated mineral line. So a terran who has 3 bases is effectively on 4 bases. I'm not saying that its OP, but its an important thing to know as a player. 1) Mules are not constant unless you have a lot of OCs. So it's a short stint of fast income, instead of a short stint of faster production capacity by the other 2 races. 2) This picture could very easily be miss leading. Say he dropped 12 mules at once. And this income tab was up while they all started to run out of energy. The video is paused, and the screen shot is taken while the number of mules reads "3", but the income has not yet adjusted accordingly. 3) Mules could be on gold, workers on blue. 4) Mules aren't going to be as effective if dumped on a fully saturated line due to the delay each time they try to mine minerals. | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
and you know I'm not trying to say discussion about balance is a bad thing but, when there has been 30 other threads about the same thing created and you even acknowledge that fact in your post yet you still decide to make a thread SOMETHING IS WRONG. | ||
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bjornkavist
Canada1235 Posts
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Phenrei
United States162 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:17 dcberkeley wrote: WRONG WRONG WRONG mules are TEMPORARY, this is (probably) on a gold patch, if you snipe mules you lose all that income, chrono boost makes workers OR production, mules can't mine gas, inject does both econ or production etc, etc, etc. There needs to be context for stuff to make sense. Watch the last day9 daily. It was a base trade situation, the T had to lift his CC to the island and had 0 workers left. He dropped 3 mules from the energy generated while flying and was earning roughly half (the numbers kept shifting) the mineral income as the P who had a fully saturated base. Yes it's temporary, yes the other races have macro mechanics, no neither of those other mechanics are a direct transfer between energy and minerals (over and above other saturation), no the game is not that simple, yes it's still a ridiculous thing to look at (and no, that's not necessarily a bad thing given the history of OP things from BW, but no, SC2 isn't BW). | ||
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chimthegrim
United States31 Posts
User was banned for this post. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
Nerf mules' chromosomes. | ||
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:18 Sc1pio wrote: Terran gets the ability to supersaturate while protoss can speed up not only the production of probes, but units/upgrades. I don't see the problem. Finally, the two races are in perfect balance. ^^ | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:23 chimthegrim wrote: I think the picture summed up what he was saying just fine unless you are not a Starcraft player. TL is like communist China when it comes to free speech. It's the more professional private forum =| You got Gamefaqs - trolls / stupid people battlenet - whine and cheese TL - rules, but no filters or crap sc2arena - lol | ||
Manifesto7
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:21 Rodregeus wrote: 1) Mules are not constant unless you have a lot of OCs. So it's a short stint of fast income, instead of a short stint of faster production capacity by the other 2 races. 2) This picture could very easily be miss leading. Say he dropped 12 mules at once. And this income tab was up while they all started to run out of energy. The video is paused, and the screen shot is taken while the number of mules reads "3", but the income has not yet adjusted accordingly. 3) Mules could be on gold, workers on blue. 4) Mules aren't going to be as effective if dumped on a fully saturated line due to the delay each time they try to mine minerals. 1 is the only valid point. 2 is untrue. There were 3 MULEs. 3 is untrue. All workers were on Blue Minerals. 4 is untrue. MULEs ignore saturation. They do not have any delay. Please get the facts straight, thank you. This is not arguing for or against imbalance. I am just disproving him. | ||
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slam
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
Yay context. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
1) this is temporary, a single return when all 3 mules bring in the dough will cause spikes in income 2) terran is always down in workers, usually in tvz and tvp terran is down 20-30 workers as game progresses 3) larva inject and chronoboost can be used directly for unit production as well as workers. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
Though if I were the protoss I'd be a little miffed.EDIT: To be perfectly honest, my only beef with mules is the supply (un)cost. Terran armies are already superior 200/200, why bother giving them the ability to make more units (mules lategame probably account for 18+ supply drone/probe-wise) while keeping their units more supply-efficient? Anyhow, no serious discussion is going on in here anyway, so whatevs. | ||
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FALAPARK
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Headshot
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biology]major
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TheAngelofDeath
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:28 TheAngelofDeath wrote: Greatest thread ever. Right? Lolol. Simply an important piece of education so i stop getting PMed when i close threads. Someone told new users that its a good idea to PM mods to refute their closed threads. I don't know who did this. This shit didn't happen a year ago. | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
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SubtleArt
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On October 05 2010 12:28 FALAPARK wrote: O.o so sesitive......... Anyways I dont think he deserved such a ban.what rule did he break? I'll shamelessly quote myself from last page On October 05 2010 12:11 Fa1nT wrote: What rule did the OP violate exactly? o.o To little effort? Basically doing everything he shouldn't in am imba thread: - short, no effort whatsoever - pathetic "proof" that doesn't take anything into account (how many patches are the probes mining off from example? theres 38 probes but if it was in 1 base then that's barely better than 24, etc) - shortsighted argument - completely unsubstantiated claim with no effort at a developed argument , or any elaboration beyond a picture and a sentence - Covering a topic that's been beaten to death, and has been addressed by better players with better arguements. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27143 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:28 FALAPARK wrote: O.o so sesitive......... Anyways I dont think he deserved such a ban.what rule did he break? If you can't figure it out, maybe read more before posting. | ||
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Pfhor
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Funday Monday is pretty much the only cast where he throws around the word "UNBALANCED" or looks at a unit that has 20 kills and says "not quite as much as one banshee but still pretty good". It's funny as shit though, people should learn to have fun. | ||
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biskit
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Ursadon-n-Pals
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:28 FALAPARK wrote: O.o so sesitive......... Anyways I dont think he deserved such a ban.what rule did he break? No effort. No new info. Also, "Opinion threads regarding specific units, UI and game mechanics are unnecessary. " source: sc2 forum guidelines. | ||
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:02 Vei wrote: ironically while trolling sc2 players with your sig Kennigit is allowed to be hypocritical apparently. He's even allowed to reply with just a meme picture. *prepares for ban for daring to speak about admin hypocrisy*  User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Kishkumen
United States650 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:25 Manifesto7 wrote: This thread is like christmas. All the martyrs are coming out like moths to a flame. | ||
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jambam
United States324 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:29 DonKey_ wrote: I think the mods should secretly create threads like these just to weed out dumb asses and keep TL a more intelligent place Lmao! That would be awesome! | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
Umm.. not sure what to say to that. | ||
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CheAse
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allyourbase
United States243 Posts
Two things to note in the game 1. The probes had not fully saturated yet, the protoss's income jumped to 1000+ a few seconds later. 2. The terran's income was not consistantly 700. It would jump to 700 when all 3 of his mules returned, then slowly fall back down to 400 while the mules mined. Therefore, the Terran's real income was probably between the two extremes. About 500 or 600. Edit: and no, it was on a normal patch, not gold. | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:33 CheAse wrote: omg i burst out laughing while reading this thread in the middle of my lecture. You mean BUST out laughing. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:33 CheAse wrote: omg i burst out laughing while reading this thread in the middle of my lecture. Congrats on the 2v1 btw! "Not this time...not Starcraft." A tear actually came to my eye EDIT: Sylvr, excellent Day9 shoutout. | ||
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lastmotion
368 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:17 dcberkeley wrote: WRONG WRONG WRONG mules are TEMPORARY, this is (probably) on a gold patch, if you snipe mules you lose all that income, chrono boost makes workers OR production, mules can't mine gas, inject does both econ or production etc, etc, etc. There needs to be context for stuff to make sense. So we assume its on a gold patch? "If you snipe all the mules..." is really a shitty argument. That's like saying "If you kill all your opponent's probes, he won't get any income anymore" No really? T's reactors speeds up production as well. Injected larva is indirect boost to economy which is worse than a direct boot to economy. You make more workers to get more minerals but this isn't that great when ur mineral line is already saturated or you are in a situation under aggression and u use up all your larva for workers when u need units I understand you feel the need to defend ur race but your line of reasoning sucks. AND his picture, despite his style of posting, does hold significant meaning | ||
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boesthius
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lastmotion
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Angra
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
i don't remember exactly but i'm pretty sure the terran had 1 mule saved up by the time he lifted, he had 3 by the time he landed (long flight distance), then had a fully saturated base worth of income after losing literally everything but the OC itself. even though it's temporary, it's a long enough time to rebuild things and get your stable economy going. he could make more barracks, he could rebuild his economy, he could produce units... with like 3 MULEs. i try to be open minded, but i don't see how this even approaches balanced. i've learned to accept that certain things are just terran's advantage but at some point the terran player has to run out of safety nets. usually you'd think that was some time after he lost all of his workers and couldn't harvest anything. apparently not if you know how to build an OC. what that picture doesn't show is that even after the mass MULEs died, and it was back to 1 MULE, the terran still had an income of about 600 to 800 despite the worker count being like 5-38. that to me is even more telling. the daily will probably be up tomorrow and you guys will see. probably should've waited until then to post this thread at the least. | ||
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Rodregeus
Australia126 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:26 vica wrote: 1 is the only valid point. 2 is untrue. There were 3 MULEs. 3 is untrue. All workers were on Blue Minerals. 4 is untrue. MULEs ignore saturation. They do not have any delay. Please get the facts straight, thank you. This is not arguing for or against imbalance. I am just disproving him. Reading comprehension is usually a good skill to have. I'm not talking purely about balance, I'm saying the picture is potentially miss leading due to the lack of provided information. I could come in here with a screen shot of 100 SCVs vs 20 Probes, with the probes mining a higher income, and add no extra evidence. It would have exactly the same merit as the picture in the OP. How many patches were each mining from? Were they even all mining? Had some probes JUST been killed off? Were they long distance mining? You miss understood the entire point of the post. But hey, well done on blindly jumping in to try and throw around spite filled rebuttals just because you can. Ohh forums, how i love thee. Also, on a side note about the lack of delay. Do the MULEs ignore SCVs and other MULEs mining on the patch ENTIRELY? Or simple take priority over the SCV that would otherwise be mining the patch? Would be good to know.  | ||
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TLOBrian
United States453 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Don't disagree with the admins Don't make jokes about the mods Oh well, you gotta pick your battles guys! Especially in imbalance arguements. Just DONT make imbalance arguements anymore, it's not worth it. It's like preaching to the choir, they already know what's broken. It just takes Blizzard a long time to patch the completely broken-ness : P edit: awesome thread btw. | ||
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Kishkumen
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ryanAnger
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Saying "in before i get banned" gets you banned though. We take martyr requests at 100% face value. | ||
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boesthius
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Manifesto7
Osaka27143 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:39 TLOBrian wrote: Unwritten rules of TL: + Show Spoiler + Don't disagree with the admins Don't make jokes about the mods Don't be a martyr. Don't be stupid. That is more like it. Disagreement is perfectly fine. Funny jokes are fine too. | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:32 stafu wrote: Kennigit is allowed to be hypocritical apparently. He's even allowed to reply with just a meme picture. *prepares for ban for daring to speak about admin hypocrisy* User was temp banned for this post. This forum is not a democracy. The admins can do whatever the fuck they want, and thats their right. After all, they did give us such an awesome website. | ||
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Twistacles
Canada1327 Posts
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RivalryRedux
United States173 Posts
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:42 TedJustice wrote: Waiting for Day9 to reply to this thread with "whoops, my bad." OMG rofl thats exactly what he would do XDD | ||
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Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:42 Manifesto7 wrote: Don't be a martyr. Don't be stupid. That is more like it. Disagreement is perfectly fine. Funny jokes are fine too. You sure do throw around 'martyr' a lot. | ||
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lostshard
United States95 Posts
Look at #6... things are not going to be fair (depending on your point of view). On another note I was hoping on seeing a mule drop next to some siege tanks. | ||
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mierin
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Manifesto7
Osaka27143 Posts
Seems to be a fad. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
Suffice to say, I was sorely disappointed. | ||
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nikj
Canada669 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:42 TedJustice wrote: Waiting for Day9 to reply to this thread with "whoops, my bad." It's not his fault the OP was an idiot. | ||
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
Posting 'this will probably get me banned', or any variation of it, will ALWAYS get you banned. | ||
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chimthegrim2
United States2 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:23 chimthegrim wrote: I think the picture summed up what he was saying just fine unless you are not a Starcraft player. TL is like communist China when it comes to free speech. User was banned for this post. Bummer for that guy. User was banned for this post. | ||
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Soulfire
United States237 Posts
Like someone said, Day9 needs to come in here. Woops. | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:38 Rodregeus wrote: Reading comprehension is usually a good skill to have. I'm not talking purely about balance, I'm saying the picture is potentially miss leading due to the lack of provided information. I could come in here with a screen shot of 100 SCVs vs 20 Probes, with the probes mining a higher income, and add no extra evidence. It would have exactly the same merit as the picture in the OP. How many patches were each mining from? Were they even all mining? Had some probes JUST been killed off? Were they long distance mining? You miss understood the entire point of the post. But hey, well done on blindly jumping in to try and throw around spite filled rebuttals just because you can. Ohh forums, how i love thee. Also, on a side note about the lack of delay. Do the MULEs ignore SCVs and other MULEs mining on the patch ENTIRELY? Or simple take priority over the SCV that would otherwise be mining the patch? Would be good to know. 10,000 people watched this happen, so a majority of the people know exactly what context this was in. effectively 24 probes at a normal base vs 3 mules at a normal base. This was a somewhat apt comparison between the two as there are no real confounding factors apart from instantaneous income. I agree that all your points could have screwed up the data since someone who didnt watch the game wouldn't know, but in this case none of it actually did. I think above someone posted the toss max income at 1200ish? well 3 mules return 810-900 mins over their lifetime of 1min(?) so thats 900 max income to 1200 max income, 24+ probes vs 3 mules in a more direct comparison. You can't really do a balance comparison since chrono boost isnt supposed to boost your econ while thats the one and only purpose of a mule. In this one situation mules look imba, but in X months when toss finds a uber-fast tech exploit with chrono maybe people will call that imba. | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:23 chimthegrim wrote: I think the picture summed up what he was saying just fine unless you are not a Starcraft player. TL is like communist China when it comes to free speech. User was banned for this post. That's the best thing I've seen all day. On October 05 2010 12:25 Manifesto7 wrote: This thread is like christmas. | ||
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kxr1der
United States213 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:38 Rodregeus wrote: Reading comprehension is usually a good skill to have. I'm not talking purely about balance, I'm saying the picture is potentially miss leading due to the lack of provided information. I could come in here with a screen shot of 100 SCVs vs 20 Probes, with the probes mining a higher income, and add no extra evidence. It would have exactly the same merit as the picture in the OP. How many patches were each mining from? Were they even all mining? Had some probes JUST been killed off? Were they long distance mining? You miss understood the entire point of the post. But hey, well done on blindly jumping in to try and throw around spite filled rebuttals just because you can. Ohh forums, how i love thee. Also, on a side note about the lack of delay. Do the MULEs ignore SCVs and other MULEs mining on the patch ENTIRELY? Or simple take priority over the SCV that would otherwise be mining the patch? Would be good to know. MULES can mine at the same time as an SCV on a mineral patch, but i dont think 2 MULES can mine on one patch. | ||
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chimthegrim2
United States2 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:50 Aylear wrote: That's the best thing I've seen all day. I liked it too. | ||
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JTouche
United States239 Posts
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:41 Kennigit wrote: Nope, you can disagree with mods all you want. In fact the guy who said i get away with posting memes in bans is 100% right about it "not being fair". When he dedicates 4 more years of his life to making TL great then he can do the same. Saying "in before i get banned" gets you banned though. We take martyr requests at 100% face value. oooooooooowned! actually lol'd out loud at the bolded line xD This thread is too much win. | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:49 Chen wrote: I think above someone posted the toss max income at 1200ish? well 3 mules return 810-900 mins over their lifetime of 1min(?) so thats 900 max income to 1200 max income, 24+ probes vs 3 mules in a more direct comparison. MULEs are 90 seconds, and you can't get up to 900 anymore since they patched Mineral Boosting. 3 MULEs will net 720-810 depending on the distance between the mineral patch and the CC. The per-minute value of 3 MULEs is therefor 480-540 m/min | ||
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junemermaid
United States981 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:10 youngminii wrote: I would hate SC2 players too if I was a bw player, just look at this thread. LOOK AT IT. rofl. the brood war section wasn't all roses and rainbows itself and had plenty of garbage posts. | ||
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Terrifyer
United States338 Posts
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Sanasante
United States321 Posts
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Guilty
Canada812 Posts
Great stuff, cant help but laugh. | ||
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Tabbris
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Kishkumen
United States650 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:48 chimthegrim2 wrote: Bummer for that guy. User was banned for this post. And now he's pitying himself? I mean, if you're going to try to stir up sympathy for yourself, at least don't make your username the same thing only with a 2 at the end. This thread is too hilarious. | ||
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TLOBrian
United States453 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:58 Terrifyer wrote: Mules are so much more forgiving than larvae inject, what the crap! Don't do it man, it's not worth it! Mules ARE way more forgiving than larva inject, but you have to remember that race mechanics aren't the same yadayada. I personally don't agree with it, but I'm going to play angels advocate and say that they have mules because Zerg and Protoss can get workers out REALLY fast with Chrono and larvae inject hatching. | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
That account was created on 2010-06-30 01:03:27 and had 31 posts. Reason: "I think the picture summed up what he was saying just fine unless you are not a Starcraft player. TL is like communist China when it comes to free speech. " Over the wall with you." LOL. So many ban of the week worthy shit here | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
[00:00:32] [@s2kal|Jibba] don't [00:00:52] [Lyset] wait... people are posting in it? [00:01:06] [Lyset] thought it was obvious trollbait [00:01:09] [@s2kal|Jibba] yes, it's aggrevating for anyone that's a decent poster [00:01:17] [@s2kal|Jibba] it's like chasing a raven off creep with hydras [00:01:21] [@s2kal|Jibba] YOU'RE GONNA GET BLOWN UP | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:02 Kishkumen wrote: And now he's pitying himself? I mean, if you're going to try to stir up sympathy for yourself, at least don't make your username the same thing only with a 2 at the end. This thread is too hilarious. Lol im actually debating whether he is that stupid... Maybe it really was a different user. | ||
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Toads
Canada1795 Posts
wait... what ? | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Zvendetta
United States321 Posts
Throughout these pages there were probably like 4 people permabanned However, it is hilarious to read someone's bad post and know there's the red font of death in it- *reads first two lines* me Thinks, that's worth a temp ban *reads "Go ahead, ban me!! idc" I know where that is going Way to read the stickies everyone rofl... | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:06 GreEny K wrote: Lol im actually debating whether he is that stupid... Maybe it really was a different user. It's the same person. | ||
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Rodregeus
Australia126 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:51 kxr1der wrote: MULES can mine at the same time as an SCV on a mineral patch, but i dont think 2 MULES can mine on one patch. Ahh awesome thank you. :D Now that I have learned something today I'm gonna go tell my boss that I'm going home. >.> | ||
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xephon
Canada38 Posts
This thread is amazing. Never close this thread pls. . | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
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Stormraught
Canada29 Posts
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:23 chimthegrim wrote: I think the picture summed up what he was saying just fine unless you are a Starcraft player. TL is like communist China when it comes to free speech. User was banned for this post. User was warned for this post | ||
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IvanC
Malaysia70 Posts
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Twistacles
Canada1327 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:19 IvanC wrote: TL admins 2, stupidity 0.. What if stupidity is the superclass of the admin object, which in turn inherits all the objects and methods? | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:48 chimthegrim2 wrote: Bummer for that guy. User was banned for this post. SERIOUSLY? | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
Seriously what? It was the same poster on a new account trying to dodge the ban (and stupidly rubbing it in) | ||
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
Sometimes i still get shock on how ppl just see a number and call imba... think a littlel boys come on | ||
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TLOBrian
United States453 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:26 Sylvr wrote: Seriously what? It was the same poster on a new account trying to dodge the ban (and stupidly rubbing it in) He wasn't saying, "Seriously" as in, "WTF HE SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN BANNED." he was saying how retarded that guy was. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:27 TLOBrian wrote: He wasn't saying, "Seriously" as in, "WTF HE SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN BANNED." he was saying how retarded that guy was. Ahh, that does make a bit more sense. Given the post quality of this thread so far, I'm sure you can't blame me for assuming otherwise at first glance <.<. | ||
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ChimTh3Grim
United States3 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:27 TLOBrian wrote: He wasn't saying, "Seriously" as in, "WTF HE SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN BANNED." he was saying how retarded that guy was. Yea that guy is a retard, especially when he goes to a university with thousands of different IP addresses to use. Seriously, I can't believe stupid that guy is for real. It takes less than 5 minutes to make a new e-mail + new username. Abusing your power to moderate is a lot of fun. User was banned for this post. | ||
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FetusFondler
United States246 Posts
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Ichabod
United States1659 Posts
1 mule-90 seconds, equivalent of about 4.5 SCV's mining (42$/min per scv = 189, high estimate, but since diminishing returns are present, seems viable) In 90 seconds: 2 chronoboosts can go off (energy regeneration rates)--a reduction of about 13 seconds of probe production, so protoss gets 3/4 more probes than a terran during the time 1 mule is used; since the probes are permanent, after about 540 seconds, protoss has enough probes to make up for the usage of a mule...assuming a place to saturate with them, and mules/chronoboosts are used once enough energy is present. Essentially: mules can provide a boost at the early game, but protoss has the ability to overtake that boost by the 9:00 mark with diligent chronoboosting of probes. This is somewhat fuzzy but seems to make sense, assuming all chronoboosts are used on probes up until the 9 min mark. So...mules aren't OP, they're just good to have, just like chronoboost is good to have, they are built-in mechanics of the game, undoubtedly balanced around each other with seemingly great effectiveness. | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:30 ChimTh3Grim wrote: Yea that guy is a retard, especially when he goes to a university with thousands of different IP addresses to use. Seriously, I can't believe stupid that guy is for real. It takes less than 5 minutes to make a new e-mail + new username. Abusing your power to moderate is a lot of fun. So, who do you think is really going to come out ahead on this? You, who has to spend 5 minutes to create a new email and account, or the mods who spend 10 seconds banning you again and again? Pssst, you're on the losing end no matter what. It's like you're trolling yourself. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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TLOBrian
United States453 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:34 ChimTh3Grim wrote: 1st class morons can't analyze how the ban hammer skews the discussion. It's not like we don't know what's imbalanced without assholes like you giving the nerf terran movement a bad name : P | ||
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Guilty
Canada812 Posts
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Muffel
Germany137 Posts
http://jeffkatz.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a721c2d7970b0133f17599dd970b-800wi | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:34 ChimTh3Grim wrote: 1st class morons can't analyze how the ban hammer skews the discussion. They're not skewing anything. This "discussion" has been had a million times, and the threads never go anywhere. People just don't seem to understand when they're being redundant and killing the site, so the mods kindly remind them in the only way that's practical. | ||
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Kishkumen
United States650 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:30 ChimTh3Grim wrote: Yea that guy is a retard, especially when he goes to a university with thousands of different IP addresses to use. Seriously, I can't believe stupid that guy is for real. It takes less than 5 minutes to make a new e-mail + new username. Abusing your power to moderate is a lot of fun. I've gone from "amused at poster's stupidity" to "annoyed at poster's continued stupidity." | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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TLOBrian
United States453 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:38 Kennigit wrote: It's funny, Mani and i were saying "this looks the kind of guy i could have a beer with" before he decided to be try be an internet hero. If it's shock top, count me in please! | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
Literally two fucking seconds after that screenshot the income becomes 300-1200. | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:15 Chill wrote: LOL I was salivating when I clicked this thread. i can imagine you licking your lips right now haha | ||
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Phaded
Australia579 Posts
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Muffel
Germany137 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:38 Kennigit wrote: It's funny, Mani and i were saying "this looks the kind of guy i could have a beer with" before he decided to be try be an internet hero. and now honestly think what you try to be in here with your comments and actions. think about it andTRY to be honest to yourself. for me it looks like the same the onyl difference is that you got this small tag "administrator" | ||
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epik640x
United States1134 Posts
Mules are a bit too strong as it is. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:50 Muffel wrote: and now honestly think what you try to be in here with your comments and actions. think about it andTRY to be honest to yourself. for me it looks like the same the onyl difference is that you got this small tag "administrator" I'm not sure what you are saying. I'm very honest, which is why i said he looked like the kind of guy we'd have a beer with if he wasn't trying to run a civil rights demonstration in my sc2 forum. | ||
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fdsdfg
United States1251 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:42 Half wrote: Man threads like this make me lose faith in TL. Literally two fucking seconds after that screenshot the income becomes 300-1200. Maybe you should read past the first post then =D | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:52 epik640x wrote: I don't think the thread is garbage. It's a part of the game and should be discussed. Mutas are a important part of the game and should be discussed. I'm going to go post a thread that goes something like this now. I dont even need to write a huge essay to prove my point. This little excerpt from CellaWeRRa stream ![[image loading]](http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/98359898-3.jpg) I realize this is a fucking terrible thread, but Jesus Christ, this is pretty ridiculous. Now imagine if everyone decided to post threads like this. Maybe you should read past the first post then =D Yeah, thats my point, that people would actually defend this OP lol. | ||
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TheGrimace
United States929 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:55 Kennigit wrote: I'm not sure what you are saying. I'm very honest, which is why i said he looked like the kind of guy we'd have a beer with if he wasn't trying to run a civil rights demonstration in my sc2 forum. Not really sure what he was trying to point out specifically, but he might be referring to your sig which was referenced on page 1 which would likely only create ill-feelings in your sc2 forum. Otherwise I don't really know, I think it's a relevant thread to point out how to get banned on TL. | ||
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kxr1der
United States213 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:50 Muffel wrote: and now honestly think what you try to be in here with your comments and actions. think about it andTRY to be honest to yourself. for me it looks like the same the onyl difference is that you got this small tag "administrator" I've been fighting off the urge to post here but I really can't believe people are still trying to fight the mods. You have no leverage at all to post an argument. What are you trying to prove by posting this? The admins put a lot of work into this site therefore they can and will ban whomever they deem deserving, I suggest you accept this and save yourself from the same fate. Regardless of whether or not I agree with this thread staying open, I do think that the integrity of this forum has to be maintained because it is the best source of Starcraft information there is on the internet. You can complain about balance all day on the B.Net forums, TL.net is a place for constructive discussion not futile criticism. | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:56 Half wrote: Mutas are a important part of the game and should be discussed I'm going to go post a thread that goes something like this now. Now imagine if everyone decided to post threads like this. Yeah, thats my point, that people would actually defend this OP lol. I don't have to imagine. I can see it right here: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c384/Sylvr/TLWithoutMods.jpg) | ||
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ChimTheGrim4
United States1 Post
On October 05 2010 14:01 kxr1der wrote: I've been fighting off the urge to post here but I really can't believe people are still trying to fight the mods. You have no leverage at all to post an argument. What are you trying to prove by posting this? The admins put a lot of work into this site therefore they can and will ban whomever they deem deserving, I suggest you accept this and save yourself from the same fate. Regardless of whether or not I agree with this thread staying open, I do think that the integrity of this forum has to be maintained because it is the best source of Starcraft information there is on the internet. You can complain about balance all day on the B.Net forums, TL.net is a place for constructive discussion not futile criticism. Who's trying to fight the mods? User was banned for this post. | ||
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HolyOnes
Australia52 Posts
Wheres your hammer kenny? ^^ User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
You could have discussed the fact of how this worked late game when terran would have multiple oc's and could sustain mules, and how this factors in with terrans amazing ability to harass (drops/hellions). You could explore how terrans can liftoff to an island for a quick 3rd, make it a 3rd oc and get a huge instant lead. Base trading situations where having 2 ocs give terran the 2mule income of approx 22 workers (the terrans income was slightly less) when they land You should have tracked down or made some replays of these things and done some scientific/mathematical testing. Ive been banned plenty of times and I stopped making threads and guess what, I stopped getting banned. 999 times out of 1000 it's been said better than you could ever say it! | ||
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
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Siffer
United States467 Posts
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Le BucheRON
Canada619 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
the heathens are being slaughtered left and right | ||
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jibber
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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AssuredVacancy
United States1167 Posts
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Polar_Nada
United States1548 Posts
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Kpyolysis32
553 Posts
On the other hand, though, these posters are kind of like puppies that have run headfirst into glass doors a few times too many and ended up a little slow. They're not intelligent and they're pretty annoying, but you can't help but feel sorry for them and think that they're kind of endearing. | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
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Kpyolysis32
553 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:03 HolyOnes wrote: I`ll prob get banned for this, but i swear i read somewhere (I can`t find it) that blizzard are thinking about putting a cool down on calling down a mule to even it out. So if you are poor in using your command center energy, you can`t send down 3 or 4 mules from the same command centre at once. But then you would think chronoboost and inject larva etc... should get a similar cool down? Its tricky. Best leave it to the experts and just enjoy the game as it evolves through patches and expansions :D Wheres your hammer kenny? ^^ I don't think that this would have gotten you banned if you hadn't said it probably would. Now that you have, though, my bet is that you're boned. | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:17 Kpyolysis32 wrote: I don't think that this would have gotten you banned if you hadn't said it probably would. Now that you have, though, my bet is that you're boned. My face when mere mortals taunt the gods + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/no-country-for-old-men-4.jpg) | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
admit first image is hilariously funny in a :troll: sort of way. I personally find the greatest content to be the internet superstars showing how 'making a new email + account' is so easy! what revolutionaries, I think they may be the first to discover such tom foolery. I can't wait to see what they come up with next! Maybe a ZvT balance discussion with a first post of: ZERG is BALANCE COOL WON GSL! | ||
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Muffel
Germany137 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:55 Kennigit wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On October 05 2010 13:50 Muffel wrote: and now honestly think what you try to be in here with your comments and actions. think about it andTRY to be honest to yourself. for me it looks like the same the onyl difference is that you got this small tag "administrator" I'm not sure what you are saying. I'm very honest, which is why i said he looked like the kind of guy we'd have a beer with if he wasn't trying to run a civil rights demonstration in my sc2 forum. What i tried to say with my bad englisch: For me it looks like you just turned this thread in to some "look how funny i as an administrator am". And the thread is about cheering for you and your Mods or laughing about the OP and calling him a retard. Personaly i'd prefer to delete the thread and just ban the OP. Or ban him making the comment that this shows how to not make an thread and close it. There are 4 type of comments now: "LOLOL Admins so funny" - "Lets discuss about it, i think its realy imbalanced" - "OP SO STUPID LOLOL" and last but not least "Sc2 community sucks, back in BW time it as much better in here". Just my personal thoughts when i read the thread. :/ | ||
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Kishkumen
United States650 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:16 Day[9] wrote: woo gettin people banned :D Podcast finished, now time to survey the hilarious mayhem your sarcasm has created for the mods and the few people who took you seriously. wp Day9, wp. Funday Monday: the gift that keeps on giving. | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
That face isn't working, Kennigit. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:22 Muffel wrote: What i tried to say with my bad englisch: For me it looks like you just turned this thread in to some "look how funny i as an administrator am". And the thread is about cheering for you and your Mods or laughing about the OP and calling him a retard. Personaly i'd prefer to delete the thread and just ban the OP. Or ban him making the comment that this shows how to not make an thread and close it. There are 4 type of comments now: "LOLOL Admins so funny" - "Lets discuss about it, i think its realy imbalanced" - "OP SO STUPID LOLOL" and last but not least "Sc2 community sucks, back in BW time it as much better in here". Just my personal thoughts when i read the thread. :/ Am i keeping you in this thread? Theres lots of others | ||
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spydR
Australia243 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:16 Day[9] wrote: woo gettin people banned :D The hero returns ^,^ Love this thread | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
ya the pic didn't load for me either =( | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27143 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:22 Muffel wrote: What i tried to say with my bad englisch: For me it looks like you just turned this thread in to some "look how funny i as an administrator am". And the thread is about cheering for you and your Mods or laughing about the OP and calling him a retard. Personaly i'd prefer to delete the thread and just ban the OP. Or ban him making the comment that this shows how to not make an thread and close it. There are 4 type of comments now: "LOLOL Admins so funny" - "Lets discuss about it, i think its realy imbalanced" - "OP SO STUPID LOLOL" and last but not least "Sc2 community sucks, back in BW time it as much better in here". Just my personal thoughts when i read the thread. :/ Except that your strategy of closing and banning has not been effective. We tried it your way and there are still dozens of threads made like this every day. This is a more visual reminder of how not to suck. | ||
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Muffel
Germany137 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:23 Kennigit wrote: Am i keeping you in this thread? Theres lots of others well in some way you were keeping me in cause you said you are not sure what i was trying to say so i tried to explain it but ofc ill just go away now :/ | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:26 Jugan wrote: Like all complaints about racial "imba", this one is misleading as well... This measures your projected income over a certain period of time, and i believe mules are calculated to return a total income o something like 240 minerals (if it was mining from the closest patch possible). I could go on longer about this, but i feel point is proven already, and those that don't understand will not change their bias already. I think you accidentally stayed on topic. This thread is more about Tommy Lee Jones and martyrdom now. I'm still waiting around for a cameo from Day[9] and Tasteless' mother, but high hopes are destined to be dashed. | ||
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slam
United States923 Posts
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TheNomad
United States134 Posts
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Apexplayer
United States406 Posts
-heals units -early game anti air -gives + speed to all units (creep) -No need for additional production facilities | ||
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Kishkumen
United States650 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:29 slam wrote: Does anyone else ever just enjoy reading the reasons for ban in the automated ban list thread? Tis filled with lolz. <3 Quite a few of us do it seems: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95875 You're welcome. ^^ | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:30 Apexplayer wrote: But Mules ARE OP... I mean, terrans 150 minerals gives them money... zergs only -heals units -early game anti air -gives + speed to all units (creep) -No need for additional production facilities We can play that game. Comstat is like a maphack. But arguing over this would be silly | ||
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kxr1der
United States213 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:29 slam wrote: Does anyone else ever just enjoy reading the reasons for ban in the automated ban list thread? Tis filled with lolz. <3 I was actually doing this exact thing like an hour ago. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:22 Muffel wrote: What i tried to say with my bad englisch: For me it looks like you just turned this thread in to some "look how funny i as an administrator am". And the thread is about cheering for you and your Mods or laughing about the OP and calling him a retard. Personaly i'd prefer to delete the thread and just ban the OP. Or ban him making the comment that this shows how to not make an thread and close it. There are 4 type of comments now: "LOLOL Admins so funny" - "Lets discuss about it, i think its realy imbalanced" - "OP SO STUPID LOLOL" and last but not least "Sc2 community sucks, back in BW time it as much better in here". Just my personal thoughts when i read the thread. :/ This is seriously a way of dealing with people who aren't able to control themselves before posting. Imagine you're walking home from a club with a woman on each arm (we are TLers, after all) and you pass an alley where a fight is taking place. To any normal, thinking person, this is an obvious situation to avoid. Instead of using your brain to process the situation, you follow your first instinct and decide to jump in thinking "this will be fun!" No, it won't. There's a banned person followed immediately by an admin's warning. The proper response should be obvious. If this were a horror movie, these people would be the idiots that go running off into the woods. And it's not even like people are posting because they have some brilliant comment that will send us all to the floor in an uproarious fit of laughter, or some shining morsel of insight that will make us aware of their untouchable acumen. People are just depositing the first thing that comes to their mind onto TL without processing it first, which is exactly what got the thread maker in trouble. | ||
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Typho0n
Canada276 Posts
pshh mules... | ||
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Ksyper
Bulgaria665 Posts
That's just so funny  | ||
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beith
Malta9 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:29 slam wrote: Does anyone else ever just enjoy reading the reasons for ban in the automated ban list thread? Tis filled with lolz. <3 I mean, I loled pretty hard at the picture on this page + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=392 | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
But then it made me sad, because TLOBrian took my quote out of his sig. Why Brian, why | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
But in all seriousness, I'd have to say successful troll was successful, depending on what exactly the OP was trying to accomplish with this. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I mean, I loled pretty hard at the picture on this page + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=392 I prefer sniper from TeamFortress 2 headshotting some guy. Lazy to search that page. | ||
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Ancient.eu
Romania621 Posts
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:55 Kennigit wrote: Also my quote is just a funny thing i saw in irc today. Some of you kids need to calm down. It's just a game. It's just a website. Theres no tangible value (other than the 59.99 you probably paid for sc2....or the thousands of man hours we've wasted together :x ) Just going out on a limb here: the internet isn't serious business? Though if it makes you feel better, I think your quote is witty an- *is shot* | ||
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Senorcuidado
United States700 Posts
TL has a great reputation and the blizzard forums are a joke, is that a coincidence? Nope, that's just what happens when one site bans trolls and the other lets trolls run free. Keep up the great work mods :D | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:23 chimthegrim wrote: I think the picture summed up what he was saying just fine unless you are not a Starcraft player. TL is like communist China when it comes to free speech. User was banned for this post. I dont understand why people think tl should be a democracy. of course its communist, tl is a COMMUNITY thus it is COMMUNIST by definition. Come on people. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On October 05 2010 15:06 TheAntZ wrote: I dont understand why people think tl should be a democracy. of course its communist, tl is a COMMUNITY thus it is COMMUNIST by definition. Come on people. Liez. TL is a dictatorship. Whether that holds a negative or positive connotation for you is up to yourself. | ||
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On October 05 2010 15:09 Zeke50100 wrote: Liez. TL is a dictatorship. Whether that holds a negative or positive connotation for you is up to yourself. ? how do you reach the conclusion that its a dictatorship? ![[image loading]](http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2701/16569354.jpg) Does it say TL Dichotomy? no, it says community, so TL is communist. i dont see how people could think otherwise | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
I also understand that sometimes out of frustration people make silly things. Also journalists and layers like to take things out of the context. I have faith in humanity, so I'm sure we can do it Maybe one day we can all look back to this and think "remember that silly thread about mules?" and laugh. | ||
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Teeny
Austria885 Posts
38 probes on 8 patches without gas is fail anyway. Also there could just be a 20 probe slide or some other hings going. This picture doesn´t say really that much? | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On October 05 2010 15:12 TheAntZ wrote: ? how do you reach the conclusion that its a dictatorship? Does it say TL Dichotomy? no, it says community, so TL is communist. i dont see how people could think otherwise That's only a disguise | ||
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
Also, TC is a genius for providing us with this topic. Maybe it'll lern dem n00bz how 2 post???? | ||
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exShinra
Oman16 Posts
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
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exShinra
Oman16 Posts
Theres already a sticky that everyones FORCED to read when they join, so I just don't see why this thread needs to be still open, besides having a place for people to troll and get banned. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
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Lejving
Sweden82 Posts
Kinda fits for this thread heh | ||
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Treva
United States533 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:11 Fa1nT wrote: What rule did the OP violate exactly? o.o To little effort? Basically. If his title was maybe "Mules are OP because.." or something along those lines and then had a logical argument that had room for debate then yeah his thread would of been fine, but making a thread title like that is first going to get mods attention then having the content be as shallow as a picture and text that basically says "see, it's op bye" doesn't leave much open in the realm of debate or reason. TL does a good job of making sure threads like these stay on bnet forums where they will have company. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On October 05 2010 15:35 exShinra wrote: I read it, along with 4 more pages before I couldn't wrap my head around why you can't just close a thread and move on with discussion on other things. Theres already a sticky that everyones FORCED to read when they join, so I just don't see why this thread needs to be still open, besides having a place for people to troll and get banned. 1. It's funny. 2. It seems like people avoid stickied topics because they feel like it. This way, they're caught off-guard. | ||
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Cloak
United States816 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:17 dcberkeley wrote: WRONG WRONG WRONG mules are TEMPORARY, this is (probably) on a gold patch, if you snipe mules you lose all that income, chrono boost makes workers OR production, mules can't mine gas, inject does both econ or production etc, etc, etc. There needs to be context for stuff to make sense. Temporary, but long enough for usually 2 production cycles. Long enough to gather a strong army to win decidedly no matter how economically disadvantaged you are. | ||
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Speedbump
New Zealand338 Posts
On October 05 2010 15:37 Lejving wrote: Yeah. Wouldn't recommend opening a thread like that, but I would recommend the movie you just quoted.The only winning move is not to play Kinda fits for this thread heh :D EDIT: I think that this thread should possibly be the poster child for what not to do as a TL member when creating a thread, linked into the TL Commandments (possibly?) | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
This is fun. | ||
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MaiYoH
United States17 Posts
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zunova
United States83 Posts
On October 05 2010 15:45 MaiYoH wrote: I don't see what the problem is. The title was very clear. Mules are the OP... What is all this confusion. The OP had a claim and support for that claim, but he failed to analyze. Plus there have been a lot of threads with similar claims that went into thorough detail. I personally don't think that would warrant a ban, but that's just my opinion. | ||
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
Anyone looking to get banned today? I'm sure one of the mods will gladly oblige. <3 | ||
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DreXxiN
United States494 Posts
It's kind of like saying 2 firebats and a medic are OP in BW because you saw them kill 300 zerglings without mentioning the timing and settings...when in reality that could only happen when guarding a ramp and would get smashed if it were to be a flank. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On October 05 2010 15:48 ryanAnger wrote: I think this page needs some bold red on it, so it can follow the trend. Anyone looking to get banned today? I'm sure one of the mods will gladly oblige. <3 I don't get why the OP was banned. He provided clear evidence that supported his thesis. WTF is up with the mods? TL is communist. This place is ridiculous. *crosses fingers* | ||
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DreXxiN
United States494 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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Elanshin
Australia216 Posts
random note, nice to see some weeding of the ... more ... ignorant members of this community. | ||
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Laerties
United States361 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
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FiveAlarm
United States57 Posts
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On October 05 2010 15:55 FiveAlarm wrote: This thread is hogging a valuable spot in my "SC2 General Most Recent" list. I'd say the other threads are hogging up spots that this thread could be taking. | ||
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exShinra
Oman16 Posts
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cybertopo
Spain525 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:41 Kennigit wrote: Nope, you can disagree with mods all you want. In fact the guy who said i get away with posting memes in bans is 100% right about it "not being fair". When he dedicates 4 more years of his life to making TL great then he can do the same. Saying "in before i get banned" gets you banned though. We take martyr requests at 100% face value. In my opinion, TL isn't as great as you think if mods behave like that. "I can do stupid shit because I've been an admin for 4 years"? Seriously? | ||
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DreXxiN
United States494 Posts
On October 05 2010 16:05 cybertopo wrote: In my opinion, TL isn't as great as you think if mods behave like that. "I can do stupid shit because I've been an admin for 4 years"? Seriously? Believe it or not, working hard at something does give you special privelages. If you work retail for 5 years and become an assistant manager, you can probably bet that you're going to be able to sit in your office on the salary and eat some Dorito wherein a new associate is not going to be able to do that on the clock. | ||
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cybertopo
Spain525 Posts
Anyway, I just felt that post was kinda disheartening, I'll leave it here so that I don't derail the thread. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 05 2010 15:45 MaiYoH wrote: I don't see what the problem is. The title was very clear. Mules are the OP... What is all this confusion. "Overpowered" is such a sensitive term in the community at this point that any thread so much as mentioning the word better have a damn good reason for using it--the model of an acceptable imbalance thread being MasterAsia's thread here. If you're going to use the terms "OP" or "imbalanced", your thread better be as insightful as that one. As is, the OP brings up a point that has been mentioned many times before, gave no analysis, and gave one image that has been refuted as being entirely out of context (specifically, the Terran income drops to 300 and the Protoss income rises to 1200 within seconds of when the screenshot was taken). The post doesn't say anything that hasn't been said before, and does it in a way that appears as though it was only meant to incite conflict. On October 05 2010 16:05 cybertopo wrote: In my opinion, TL isn't as great as you think if mods behave like that. "I can do stupid shit because I've been an admin for 4 years"? Seriously? You don't like it, you're free to leave. This site has functioned as one of the most well-respected Starcraft news/fansites for the better part of the last decade. You're free to question how it's run, but fact of the matter is that it works better than most sites out there. | ||
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
On October 05 2010 16:15 cybertopo wrote: Oh yes, admins have those special privileges, but they decide if they make use of them (which in my opinion isn't the correct choice) or not. Policemen have guns and they don't go around killing people and saying "HURR DURR, I POLICE, I KILL YOU, I THE LAW" (yeah I know, pretty extreme example). Anyway, I just felt that post was kinda disheartening, I'll leave it here so that I don't derail the thread. Derail the thread? I'm confused. I believe this is one of the few threads that we are actually allowed to just post nonsense in. Also, its not like the admins go around banning people just for shits and giggles. They typically have a pretty good reason for it. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On October 05 2010 16:29 ryanAnger wrote: Derail the thread? I'm confused. I believe this is one of the few threads that we are actually allowed to just post nonsense in. Also, its not like the admins go around banning people just for shits and giggles. They typically have a pretty good reason for it. Pretty much. There's quite a difference between banning for shits & giggles and justly banning while putting a funny reason for shitz & giggles. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
btw. anyone remembers the thread where everybody who posts in it would get a temp ban? originally I thought this thread could have the same potential, like everybody defending the OP revealing themselves as trolls | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Then when 20 people jump in to chime WHY WAS HE BANNED HE JUST POSTED THAT MULES REALLY ARE OP with no legitimate newsworthy evidence or claims made get banned, why are you surprised that they get banned too? Go on any other video game forum and you'll find moderators a million times worse than TL mods I can't believe anyone has the gall to complain about them when this is one of the best communities of any video game in existence. | ||
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Dr.Frost
United States389 Posts
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ZomgTossRush
United States1041 Posts
Read the guidlines, everything must be supported. Even the wildest theorycrafting has some basis for discussion. This is really the best example of a "qq" thread, even though i hate using that term. No mules do not euqual 38 scvs. Mules last for a period of time, scvs are infinite. Its disgusting I even have to state that, its so obivous. But considering how many people are actually trying to reason and defend the OP, its making me lose faith in the Tl community. | ||
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exShinra
Oman16 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
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Kishkumen
United States650 Posts
On October 05 2010 17:15 Dr.Frost wrote: The OP has a point. A pretty solid one at that. I think more than the OP being wrong for posting this, the 38 people who just spam that people shouldn't post like this are wrong. Why are you trolling around pretending your moderators or you run this site? Just read the post, you don't like it don't comment and leave. It is that simple. Did you even read Kennigit's post and all of the other mods' posts in this thread? This is a bad post, Kennigit said it first, and even selected it as an example of how not to post. It's perfectly legitimate to call this a bad thread. | ||
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On October 05 2010 16:43 Carnac wrote: Pretty much. There's quite a difference between banning for shits & giggles and justly banning while putting a funny reason for shitz & giggles. +1 for spelling shitz with that "z." Made the comment all the better. :D Edit: @Frost: Now see, it is a bad post. It might might MIGHT have been a better post if it wasn't like "MULEs are OP, bye," but had some reasoning and such in there... but hey, not everybody is cool enough to post about something, claim that something is this or that with little to no logic, and get a great topic like the OP. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 05 2010 15:45 MaiYoH wrote: I don't see what the problem is. The title was very clear. Mules are the OP... What is all this confusion. Here, let me make a post called Hitler Is A Bad Man, the sole content of which is a Downfall meme youtube video. Or perhaps not. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:34 Jibba wrote: And it's not even like people are posting because they have some brilliant comment that will send us all to the floor in an uproarious fit of laughter, or some shining morsel of insight that will make us aware of their untouchable acumen. People are just depositing the first thing that comes to their mind onto TL without processing it first, which is exactly what got the thread maker in trouble. I've said before, but this is what the obvious problem is with the forums now. There's people who just go into a thread, make one sentence or paragraph comment on the OP without even reading the rest of the thread, then never respond or even go in the thread again. That's what you do for fucking youtube comments not on a discussion forum. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 05 2010 17:42 infinity2k9 wrote: I've said before, but this is what the obvious problem is with the forums now. There's people who just go into a thread, make one sentence or paragraph comment on the OP without even reading the rest of the thread, then never respond or even go in the thread again. That's what you do for fucking youtube comments not on a discussion forum. And that compounds. Who wants to read through 12 pages of a thread that's actually maybe a page and a half of actual content interspersed with "blah is op!" one liners? | ||
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EliteGaming
Dominican Republic97 Posts
OP are terrans Im terran am i OP? or cool for win the gsl im confutzed QQ well bad bad thread. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:03 HolyOnes wrote: I`ll prob get banned for this, but i swear i read somewhere (I can`t find it) that blizzard are thinking about putting a cool down on calling down a mule to even it out. So if you are poor in using your command center energy, you can`t send down 3 or 4 mules from the same command centre at once. But then you would think chronoboost and inject larva etc... should get a similar cool down? Its tricky. Best leave it to the experts and just enjoy the game as it evolves through patches and expansions :D Wheres your hammer kenny? ^^ User was temp banned for this post. When will people learn that prefacing what you say with, "I'll probably get banned" in fact means you definitely will. The #1 reason that guy got banned was because he said that. Kennigit probably didn't even read past the 1st line, just read that and dropped the hammer. Like 3 other people in this thread alone have gone out the same way. Don't people catch on? =/ | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
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Grond
599 Posts
On October 05 2010 17:21 zomgtossrush wrote: The mods should ban everyone he says this is a good post. Read the guidlines, everything must be supported. Even the wildest theorycrafting has some basis for discussion. This is really the best example of a "qq" thread, even though i hate using that term. No mules do not euqual 38 scvs. Mules last for a period of time, scvs are infinite. Its disgusting I even have to state that, its so obivous. But considering how many people are actually trying to reason and defend the OP, its making me lose faith in the Tl community. The OP was banned for making a balance post with no content. Your counterpoint barely has any more than his did. | ||
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DanceDance
226 Posts
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On October 05 2010 16:15 cybertopo wrote: Oh yes, admins have those special privileges, but they decide if they make use of them (which in my opinion isn't the correct choice) or not. Policemen have guns and they don't go around killing people and saying "HURR DURR, I POLICE, I KILL YOU, I THE LAW" (yeah I know, pretty extreme example). Anyway, I just felt that post was kinda disheartening, I'll leave it here so that I don't derail the thread. awful, awful analogy. Admins are moderators of this place because they worked to build it up, of course theyre allowed to say whose in here and whos not. Police men aren't moderators of life, so of course theyre not allowed to judge who deserves it and who doesnt. its funny how people bring up the 1st amendment here. Free speech is only applicable to the government. people are fired for saying stupid shit all the time (lolRickSanchez). if you dont like how TL is run, you are free to leave, just as they are free to ban you whenever they feel (but luckily for us we can read the rules and get a general idea of how to not get banned). besides, the OP only got temp banned. its not a big deal | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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WarChimp
Australia943 Posts
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willeesmalls
United States477 Posts
I understand the logic behind staving off the waves and waves of stupidity responding to an ignorant post, but do we really have to prance around like little fairies to avoid offending a mod? | ||
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XavierGr
Greece15 Posts
Thanks. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Cliff Curtis
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MulesAreIMBA
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User was banned for this post. | ||
zatic
Zurich15325 Posts
On October 05 2010 13:30 ChimTh3Grim wrote: Yea that guy is a retard, especially when he goes to a university with thousands of different IP addresses to use. Seriously, I can't believe stupid that guy is for real. It takes less than 5 minutes to make a new e-mail + new username. Abusing your power to moderate is a lot of fun. User was banned for this post. These are my favorite banned people. They just have it all figured out. University with thousands IPs? GG moderators I guess. They really don't realize what a yawnrape it is to ban people. | ||
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RolleMcKnolle
Germany1054 Posts
On October 05 2010 18:51 Cliff Curtis wrote: Now let's compare how many units Terran warped in compared to Protoss during the entire match. none? as he was terran... | ||
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zatic
Zurich15325 Posts
On October 05 2010 16:05 cybertopo wrote: In my opinion, TL isn't as great as you think if mods behave like that. "I can do stupid shit because I've been an admin for 4 years"? Seriously? What do you mean? Kennigit just said that requesting a ban will get you one. I really don't understand where this idea comes from that people get banned for criticizing TL mods and admins. I have seen this happen exactly one time, and that was when the banned user leaked interna while posting his criticism. As long as you don't insult anyone you will never be banned for criticizing staff. | ||
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klauz619
453 Posts
On October 05 2010 18:38 WarChimp wrote: 38 probes should be able to bring in more then 700 minerals on 1 base? Is something not right here? Or do I just not know my stuff.. A 22 worker fully saturated mineral formation gives 880 minerals a minute I believe, 16 gives 700+ A mule gives 270 minerals every 40 seconds if you put it on the nearest mineral patch, if I am correct. OP is being stupid and is trying to start trouble. | ||
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TheFinalWord
Australia790 Posts
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UisTehSux
United States693 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + "hey bro what are you doing?" "I got banned for making a shit thread so I'm making new accounts over and over to try and troll the admins of the site." "Why are you doing that? :| " I. DON'T. KNOW. | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
On October 05 2010 19:14 UisTehSux wrote: This thread is turning out to be more funny than I thought it would be. This will probably be in the featured troll threads or ban threads. I hope this guy creates more accounts and asks for bans. What a life he must have, lol. + Show Spoiler + "hey bro what are you doing?" "I got banned for making a shit thread so I'm making new accounts over and over to try and troll the admins of the site." "Why are you doing that? :| " I. DON'T. KNOW. It was worth keeping it open. But honestly, I prefer a well thought out eye opening strategy forum post. New users can get plenty of (self) education just so long as they keep from being idiots. Question, does requesting a ban for someone else, gets the ban for the other person granted? Also, for a Christmas resembling thread, it needs way more green. | ||
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Armsved
Denmark642 Posts
 Lmao reading this thread | ||
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
That's my favorite so far. :D Just came across this thread and therefor across the thread about husky beating someone.... This day started better than expected | ||
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Samus
Australia47 Posts
Then everything would be balanced on SC2 BW however.... *blocks ears from the screams that SCV is op cuz it has 60 hp* | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
After that he wil have one mule at the time and will never have no economy. Not to mention the first scvs he make will have to construct buildings (supplys etc). | ||
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QuantumTheory
New Zealand188 Posts
The mules were on blue minerals. There were only 3 Mules. Just to clear things up. | ||
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Mokkal
United States41 Posts
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Lumin
United States217 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.ecu.edu/english/tcr/27-6/amish_mules_plow.jpg) Clearly provide economical and agricultural superiority. | ||
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alkampfer
116 Posts
3 mules = many many probes... ? i am starting to think that TL staff is very biased in blizzard favour. Blizzard doesn't acknowledge that terran is OP and your censorship against people that want to say what they think about it is really frustrating. Are they stealth sponsoring TL to keep community calm ? you can't ban someone that states a simple opinion damn. Do you know what it is the liberty of expression ? we are playing a game named wings of liberty lol you are more dictactor than mengsk LOL Joking aside... he hasn't insulted anyone. why the ban ? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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drlame
Sweden574 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=mule I guess this thread is one of those "ban-traps", too bad my common sense isn't working today. | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
On October 05 2010 19:46 Lumin wrote: Mules imba as fuck. Clearly provide economical and agricultural superiority. Holy hell... I'd like to see ANYONE take on that guy... he has friggin seven of em! | ||
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On October 05 2010 19:46 Mokkal wrote: Well sure he was temp banned for it, but I definitely got a laugh out of it. Pretty frustrating in game though when you slay a ton of scvs and are rewarded with no real gain. Perhaps we should try to go after the mules first then as they seem to be quite good... | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:29 Kennigit wrote: Simply an important piece of education so i stop getting PMed when i close threads. Someone told new users that its a good idea to PM mods to refute their closed threads. I don't know who did this. This shit didn't happen a year ago. This should be inside a spoiler-tag, got some weird looks from my co-workers when i started giggling, someone out there is an evil genius. Very educational thread. | ||
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
mods are hypogryphs chimthegrim is tdot-lite i am a martyr | ||
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Wayem
France455 Posts
Still can't guess if OP was serious or not. Anyway, congrats day9 you trolled a lot of you viewers ! :D ![[image loading]](http://img836.imageshack.us/i/day9trollface.png/) | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50114 Posts
oh day9,you be making that troll face | ||
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Wargizmo
Australia1237 Posts
Wow people still don't understand why he was banned. Amazing. If you put a post up with no content other than a pic, and the post is about a topic that's been covered in dozens of other threads, and is an obviously attempt to encourage balance whining rather than intelligent discussion then you'll get banned. Incidentally the pic itself shows no more about game balance than showing a pic of a hatchery with 30 larva or a protoss warping in 15 units at once. It says nothing without context. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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hadoken5
Canada519 Posts
On October 05 2010 12:13 Fianchetto wrote: Whys the thread garbage? A picture says 1000 words MOSTLY because we're not supposed to QQ here. But the fact that most of the mods here are probably Terran may affect which threads stay open. Remember there was that Terran being sarcastic about Terran music OP? Perfect, legitimate reason as to why one would think all the mods here are Terrans. | ||
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lostshard
United States95 Posts
On October 05 2010 20:26 hadoken5 wrote: MOSTLY because we're not supposed to QQ here. But the fact that most of the mods here are probably Terran may affect which threads stay open. Remember there was that Terran being sarcastic about Terran music OP? Perfect, legitimate reason as to why one would think all the mods here are Terrans. Sigh... its that in the op he acknowledged that there have been many topics on this. Then goes to show one snapshot in time and then does not take into consideration all the factors. Assuming that all the "mods" are terrans is like not scouting cause you "know" what they are doing. Pictures "can" be worth 1000 words... but not every picture is. | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On October 05 2010 20:26 hadoken5 wrote: MOSTLY because we're not supposed to QQ here. But the fact that most of the mods here are probably Terran may affect which threads stay open. Remember there was that Terran being sarcastic about Terran music OP? Perfect, legitimate reason as to why one would think all the mods here are Terrans. Your getting close to the Truth my Brother!!! This Is a Conspiracy!! | ||
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zatic
Zurich15325 Posts
OK people just remember don't make terrible threads, don't bitch about balance, don't ask for being banned and don't insult people. | ||
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