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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/3434/sc2fail.png) Is this just the casual players doing the sp, trying the mp and then moving on or is there something to be worried about? Or is there just something I'm missing about the stat graph. There are not much information on how the statistics are calculated so this maybe a bogus info but I thought I would post it if someone can clarify on it. The link to the xfire page: http://www.xfire.com/games/sc2/StarCraft_II/ | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
I think theyre just reading the ingame number of online gamers ? But it's normal for a game to drop after release. There's always the people who try out the games in the first few days then start playing less | ||
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
And I don't have xfire myself which a lot of other people don't have either. For me it just shows that the people with sc2 and xfire are playing less rather than implying it isn't showing a promising future for sc2. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On August 22 2010 00:44 Assault_1 wrote: I dont understand why league of legends is played more than sc2 It's a free game | ||
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Merikh
United States918 Posts
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KezseN
Singapore1450 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
On August 22 2010 00:46 G3nXsiS wrote: I think its just casual gamers who go into sc2 and finnish the campaign, try the multiplayer and get destroyed by the HUGE starcraft 1 fanbase and then decide that they are too far behind in skill level and just quit. The matchmaking isn't that bad. Most people win around 50% of their matchmaking games. The people at the very very bottom of the ladder, who account for a very small minority, have significantly below 50%, just as the people at the very very top of the ladder have significantly above 50%. | ||
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Brazen[six]
Canada203 Posts
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
On August 22 2010 00:52 Brazen[six] wrote: All this really shows is that less xfire users are playing sc2 than they did in the beginning. I understand that it's only xfire users but stats are stats for a reason, they are usually meant to show the direction. So it would make sense that if xfire users are dropping the other users are dropping too. That of course doesn't make that a fact, but that's just the reason I decided to post this | ||
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junkacc
99 Posts
This is a bad omen for SC2. | ||
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Calidus
150 Posts
On August 22 2010 00:44 Assault_1 wrote: I dont understand why league of legends is played more than sc2 free and it is a watered down Dota/Hon | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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Novembermike
United States102 Posts
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Coach
United States191 Posts
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PardonYou
United States1360 Posts
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Ygz
England370 Posts
On August 22 2010 00:47 shannn wrote: I always see ~1million people online on bnet at minimum ... As far I was aware, the amount of people on Bnet includes WoW + SC2. Anyone have solid information on this? | ||
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
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uSiN
United States208 Posts
On August 22 2010 00:44 Assault_1 wrote: I dont understand why league of legends is played more than sc2 It's free and a lot of casual players play the game. Its one of those games easy to pick up and not play for awhile and then pick back up again. There is actually pretty significantly large TL chat room there about 50+ people average. Might even be higher now haven't played in a while. Also not many people use xfire. I don't and I know my friends don't so... I used to use xfire long time ago but most in game chatting gotten a lot better and with good computers you can just alt tab and see your aim / msn / yahoo messenger w/e you use. | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
It's too late. | ||
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c.Deadly
United States545 Posts
On August 22 2010 00:56 junkacc wrote: XFire is not a good measure of total players but it is a good measure of trends. It's the same statistical method Nielson uses for TV ratings, with a constant number of PCs having XFire installed, you can interpolate if the popularity of a game is going up or down. This is a bad omen for SC2. I don't see how this is a bad omen for SC2. The graph shows "Hours by Date", meaning the number of total hours xfire users are playing SC2. It makes sense that they play many hours when the game is first released, then don't play as much after they beat the campaign/return to school/get bored of the game. This seems pretty normal to me. | ||
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Piou
Belgium415 Posts
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thehitman
1105 Posts
Its the stupidest way to count SC2 players and online SC2 trends. SC2 can never decrease like that, because you are always online, even when playing SP campaign, challenges or against the AI. So no, your post and xfire stats are totally absurd! | ||
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
Maybe that has something to do with it? On August 22 2010 01:35 thehitman wrote: Xfire doesn't count for shit, excuse my language. How many users really have xfire installed? Checking the source, "Xfire users playing per day 17,767 " http://www.xfire.com/games/sc2/StarCraft_II/ | ||
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BrightLegacy
United States56 Posts
1.Less people are playing starcraft in general, this could just be some of the people that tried muliplayer a few times, got destroyed, then tried custom maps for a while and have now gotten bored of those. 2. The type of people that have xfire installed are less likely to play a lot of starcraft, probably because their friends (that they are talking to on xfire) are playing other games and they dont want to be left out. 3. People with xfire are realizing that they get significantly more frames per second when they play with xfire off. | ||
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SwaY-
Dominican Republic463 Posts
On August 22 2010 01:24 Ygz wrote: As far I was aware, the amount of people on Bnet includes WoW + SC2. Anyone have solid information on this? pretty sure wow alone in their NA servers has more than a million on a shitty day. | ||
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Coach
United States191 Posts
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farseerdk
Canada504 Posts
On August 22 2010 01:12 hystorm wrote: I think this is more in correlation with school starting than anything else. School shouldn't be starting for another 2-3 weeks at least. | ||
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RaiderRob
Netherlands377 Posts
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On August 22 2010 01:51 farseerdk wrote: School shouldn't be starting for another 2-3 weeks at least. School starts upcoming week for me (college) high schools probably in 2. | ||
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Zapperkhan
United States436 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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Donger
United States147 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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Hunch
Canada336 Posts
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eLiTe TaKeR
Portugal17 Posts
That only proves xfire users are mostly casual players imo... | ||
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Tinsil
19 Posts
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
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Mutalisk
288 Posts
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brn4meplz
Canada98 Posts
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junkacc
99 Posts
a) don't know how statistics work b) are in denial | ||
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Toboe
United States276 Posts
The title of this thread easily could have been "SC2 causing big drop in xfire usage" and that is an equally valid conclusion with the 'statistics' provided. According to the profiles that sc2ranks.com has, there are more than 10 times the number of just bronze ladder players than there are people who use xfire and sc2 daily, not even considering the other leagues or people who haven't qualified for ladder yet. | ||
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Gedrah
465 Posts
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Condor
Netherlands188 Posts
But in general, of course the popularity dies down. What did you expect? That now everybody and their mom will see the light and worship SC2? It is just another game, except for a small minority of all gamers which happens to post here. How replayable is the campaign? How great is the story? People will stay and play multiplayer if it adds something to the game and if they like it. For a resurgence, we will need it to become a bonafide spectator sport, although there will be some increases upon expansion releases. Otherwise, obviously this dropoff makes perfect sense. | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On August 22 2010 02:25 junkacc wrote: You guys: a) don't know how statistics work b) are in denial No statistics have been calculated. There's only data. People have brought up good reasons why the data can be interpreted in more than one way. We don't have enough information to conclusively interpret the data. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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Cofo
United States1388 Posts
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EnderCN
United States499 Posts
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
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goswser
United States3519 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
On August 22 2010 00:46 G3nXsiS wrote: HUGE starcraft 1 fanbase? Yeah there's the problem... if the fanbase was so huge, then we wouldn't see this dropping number despite the predicted casuals leaving the game.I think its just casual gamers who go into sc2 and finnish the campaign, try the multiplayer and get destroyed by the HUGE starcraft 1 fanbase and then decide that they are too far behind in skill level and just quit. | ||
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Klapdout
United States282 Posts
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StormWeapon
United States159 Posts
On August 22 2010 01:51 farseerdk wrote: School shouldn't be starting for another 2-3 weeks at least. Here, most classes start monday. | ||
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Perkins1752
Germany214 Posts
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Fzero
United States1503 Posts
We're all a rare breed. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
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Tropics
United Kingdom1132 Posts
this is completely meaningless | ||
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0mar
United States567 Posts
Xfire is a pretty good indicator of trends because it has such a huge install base. If Steam tracked SC2 usage, we'd see the same trend. | ||
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Meldrath
United States620 Posts
People who enjoy quality balanced RTS Multiplayer will continue to play those who do not will leave. 2v2/3v3/4v4/ If thats your gig guess what most people don't play that garbage for a reason it takes longer for the matchmaker to make those matches AND chances are you won't get a very balanced game skill wise. Xfire is no ultimate guide of data to link and comment on for anything other then your own amusement. the same people who LOVE achievements will play until they can get a reasonable amount of them and then say this game sucks.. you mean I gotta play 3000 matches to get zen master!?!? yeah enough of a rant about this stuff im gunna go back to work  | ||
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Persev
United States127 Posts
I think the numbers from xfire are pretty reflective as to what is happenning with the general non professional user base. In terms of replayability of the multi player option there appears to be something missing. After every game of broodwar there was an addictive factor that made me want to go another game asap. Here in sc2 I don't get(so far only 2k games total) a sense of racially distinctive race p lay style from Zerg or Toss, only Terran. As of right now , my zerg units (esp hydra/roach) feel like toss units dressed for bugs night out. Lastly, about LoL . They did alot of awesome things for that rts. The music, artwork, gameplay, everything has synergy about it. If it isn't already a rts legend like brood war it will soon follow in its footsteps. | ||
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ChrisLeBlanc
Canada23 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 22 2010 00:46 G3nXsiS wrote: I think its just casual gamers who go into sc2 and finnish the campaign, try the multiplayer and get destroyed by the HUGE starcraft 1 fanbase and then decide that they are too far behind in skill level and just quit. Except the total registered users on ICCup is only a little larger than Diamond, and is dwarfed by the other leagues. Most casuals will never even play a member of this "HUGE starcraft 1 fanbase" in a ladder game. | ||
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NadaSound
United States227 Posts
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
People forever claimed the sky was falling on CSS using Xfire numbers.. when the steam numbers.. you know.. the important ones.. showed that to be utter bollocks. Battle.net has shown pretty much between 750,000 - 1.25M since release, and constantly about 40k games being played at euro peak times. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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junkacc
99 Posts
On August 22 2010 02:36 Liquid`Tyler wrote: No statistics have been calculated. There's only data. People have brought up good reasons why the data can be interpreted in more than one way. We don't have enough information to conclusively interpret the data. Precisely, you obviously don't know how stats work. The large sample size eliminates personal choices people make. ie) Like the reasons people have suggested here. We've all gone through how SC2 is failing in Korea, now this is some data from the west. SC2 has not been out for less than one month and it's already peaked and falling. If this game were so great, it should be spreading through word of mouth and the data should reflect it. | ||
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Brad
2754 Posts
Let us not kid ourselves here. | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
On August 22 2010 04:06 junkacc wrote: Precisely, you obviously don't know how stats work. The large sample size eliminates personal choices people make. ie) Like the reasons people have suggested here. There isn't a large sample size of games like SC2. We don't have any idea what pattern of xfire usage data a game needs to have in order to be on track as a successful competitive game. I think it's true that a lot less people are playing SC2 now than at launch. But I doubt that matters. It seems completely natural. How many of those people were just playing single player and aren't relevant to us at all? How many temporarily took time off work, ignored social obligations, and sacrificed other hobbies so that they could play a lot of SC2 at launch? How much decline matters anyway? Or more to the point, how many people do we need to continue playing to be successful? If 5 billion people played the game at launch, and 4.99 billion stopped playing 2 weeks later, we'd be perfectly fine. That graph would look awful though! And you have not provided any argument that xfire is not a biased sample. There has certainly been no effort made by anyone to make the xfire gamers representative of all gamers. And even when people do make efforts at good samples, there are often still flaws. | ||
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Nihilnovi
Sweden696 Posts
On August 22 2010 00:47 shannn wrote: I always see ~1million people online on bnet at minimum (and that's at 12 pm-1am CET which shows my next argument). And I don't have xfire myself which a lot of other people don't have either. For me it just shows that the people with sc2 and xfire are playing less rather than implying it isn't showing a promising future for sc2. The "people online on b.net" accounts for WoW players as well. I would guesstimate at any given time there are 50k or so SC2 players online. Also, I've played online games for about 10 years now, and I've never met anyone that uses Xfire. And to be honest, I thought the only people that did use it were those that played like online chess and stuff, lol. | ||
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ZeGzoR
Sweden307 Posts
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Mannerheim
766 Posts
On August 22 2010 04:24 Nihilnovi wrote: The "people online on b.net" accounts for WoW players as well. I would guesstimate at any given time there are 50k or so SC2 players online. There's about 40k SC2 games up right now. On average a game has more than 2 people in it. Add people who are playing single player or just idling in b.net. The claimed ~1M online at the moment isn't even enough to cover the saturday evening WoW players in EU. I don't think it accounts for WoW players. | ||
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DarkSeerTurbo
United States105 Posts
1. the initial attraction is over 2. there are issues (technical and nontechnical: crashes, rendering probs, logout freezes, no lan, very poor custom games viewing etc) 3. gameplay: (many of the team games involve cheeses and rushes (a lot). void ray rushes, 10 marine pushes, reapers etc. people are tired of the same thing happening over and over. 4. league placement dissatisfaction: lot of people are not in the right league. and so on. | ||
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DarkSeerTurbo
United States105 Posts
On August 22 2010 03:08 Meldrath wrote: Oh wait you mean 3 weeks later there are less people buzzing about it then LAUNCH? NO WAI!!?! If you're going to be sarcastic you should at least be accurate. After just 3 weeks of a major release activity should not be dropping. 13 weeks yes, but not 3 weeks. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On August 22 2010 04:06 junkacc wrote: Precisely, you obviously don't know how stats work. The large sample size eliminates personal choices people make. ie) Like the reasons people have suggested here. Why don't you post on your actual account? This isn't a fucking war, you don't need to go undercover to spread your propaganda. No one's going to ban you for arguing against SC2, but seeing you randomly sniping at it from a fake name is getting really annoying. (oh look SC2 fails in Korea hur) | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On August 22 2010 05:09 Mannerheim wrote: There's about 40k SC2 games up right now. On average a game has more than 2 people in it. Add people who are playing single player or just idling in b.net. The claimed ~1M online at the moment isn't even enough to cover the saturday evening WoW players in EU. I don't think it accounts for WoW players. I agree, it cannot possibly be accounting for WoW players as they certainly have at least several million online at any given time. Even in the weekends i've only seen the number go up to 1,250,000 players. I think that number is only for SC2, BW, and WC3. As for the xfire stuff, sc2ranks has the ladder population at almost 1.2 million already, and keep in mind sc2ranks is only counting people who have been placed in a division. I've seen tons of people who only play custom games, these people wouldn't be included in SC2ranks tally, and I'm sure there's tons of people who are only interested in the campaign. http://www.sc2ranks.com/ | ||
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pileopoop
Canada317 Posts
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
Trying to convince themselves that it's a "bad omen" that less people are playing a game a month in to release, compared to release day. It happens in EVERY game. The first few release days EVERYONE logs in. Then a couple weeks in, it hits a more normal trend. Just look at SC1, WC, Diablo/D2, hell even WoW. They ALL start with a huge influx, slowly degrade to the "normal" trend, and then once things level out, they start slowly growing over time until the game ages. Heck, WC3 a few weeks after release had a fraction of the player base they had a few weeks after Frozen Throne was released. Haters need a reality check. | ||
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Hakker
United States1360 Posts
Just sayin in response to the sc2 haters. | ||
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Sputty
Canada161 Posts
On August 22 2010 00:56 junkacc wrote: This is a bad omen for SC2. No it's not, every game has a similar drop in popularity and some completely crash the week after release. This is extremely typical player drop as most people play single player finish and whatever | ||
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Ygz
England370 Posts
On August 22 2010 06:17 Dionyseus wrote: I agree, it cannot possibly be accounting for WoW players as they certainly have at least several million online at any given time. I guess we will never know until Blizzard confirms anything but I really doubt there are that many people playing concurrently at any one time in WoW. Also before WoW was added to Bnet 2.0 in P2 of the beta, the avg amount of players playing SC2 concurrently was around 30-50k as I recall. Start of P2 saw that number shoot to ~1 million. Based on that alone it's highly probable that the current player count does in fact include WoW. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On August 22 2010 00:44 Assault_1 wrote: I dont understand why league of legends is played more than sc2 Because it's free and easy to play. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On August 22 2010 07:19 FragKrag wrote: I don't think any sane SC2 player uses XFire lol I don't get whats so bad about xfire :S I use it and I like it to chat with friends so I don't have to tab in game  | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On August 22 2010 07:17 Ygz wrote: Also before WoW was added to Bnet 2.0 in P2 of the beta, the avg amount of players playing SC2 concurrently was around 30-50k as I recall. Start of P2 saw that number shoot to ~1 million. Based on that alone it's highly probable that the current player count does in fact include WoW. The reason for the big increase in phase 2 was that for the first time the counter was including games that aren't SC2, like BW and WC3. | ||
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
On August 22 2010 03:08 0mar wrote: What? And what is broodwar?Not really a big surprise. The casual players finished the SP game, played a couple games of MP and realized it's basically SC/BW in 3-D. | ||
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Tritonus
Denmark125 Posts
This, and then the fact that you had to stay online to play the campaign. A lot of people probably rushed through the campaign and then take a casual approach to matchmaking. | ||
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Wolfpox
Canada164 Posts
I'll be back. | ||
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SiegeMode
United States206 Posts
A difficult game with punishing gameplay and a high learning curve. Most people never reach the level where all the practice pays off. | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
second, xfire was bought by this titangaming thing so the xfiire numbers dropped quite a bit too, is my guess, obviously affecting the overall numbers and the fact that every game has the most users online in the first weeks after release | ||
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disco
Netherlands1667 Posts
How is this a surprise? | ||
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~Matthias
Canada56 Posts
They will probably play periodically, and when friends are on. Also keep in mind a lot of people don't have Xfire. Me included. | ||
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
Now I log in and I see them going back to their original games, only the RTS players are playing SC2 now. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On August 22 2010 09:48 Rinrun wrote: The summer fling with SC2 is coming to an end, when I logged onto xfire around release time all I saw was SC2 being played, it was being played by all my FPS and MMO friends - insane. Now I log in and I see them going back to their original games, only the RTS players are playing SC2 now. Which makes sense. xfire is hardly a good way to track statistics. | ||
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Vedic
United States582 Posts
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dotFX
United States131 Posts
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FuryX
Australia495 Posts
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
On August 22 2010 00:52 Liquid`Tyler wrote: The matchmaking isn't that bad. Most people win around 50% of their matchmaking games. The people at the very very bottom of the ladder, who account for a very small minority, have significantly below 50%, just as the people at the very very top of the ladder have significantly above 50%. Yeah thats true but I think its also because people see theres a huge learning curve in starcraft and many people are unwilling to put in alot of time into that. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
It's all just a bunch of kids playing WoW/FPS games  | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On August 22 2010 02:25 junkacc wrote: You guys: a) don't know how statistics work b) are in denial You didn't read my post obviously. | ||
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Darkong
United Kingdom418 Posts
There's almost always a rush when something new is released followed by a tapering off period, it doesn't necessarily mean that lots of people have given up on SC2 (or whatever) just that they've worked it in amongst their other games, most likely after powering through the campaign and placement matches. The normal cycle for products (I tried to draw a graph as an example but it sucked so apologies for the lack of visual aid here) is for a large pick-up to begin with followed by a significant fall, then another, smaller pick-up and stabalisation. Exception here are if the product tanks, or an extraodinary occurence (World of Warcraft is a good example here, didn't taper off just went up and up). Besides, SC2 is not a short term project, Blizz obviously intend for it to be around a long time so figures over such a short period are not a cause for concern, its the figures between now and the release of the first expansion that will be significant. | ||
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Auronz
Brazil119 Posts
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Daudr
Sweden275 Posts
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psycow
55 Posts
On August 22 2010 00:43 Piski wrote: Not sure if this has been posted here before. Friend of mine just pointed out to me that SC2 online game statistics from xfire don't show very positive future for SC2. It's rapidly dropping which of course isn't good. Is this just the casual players doing the sp, trying the mp and then moving on or is there something to be worried about? Or is there just something I'm missing about the stat graph. There are not much information on how the statistics are calculated so this maybe a bogus info but I thought I would post it if someone can clarify on it. The link to the xfire page: http://www.xfire.com/games/sc2/StarCraft_II/ Update: 5 Months after release ![[image loading]](http://i53.tinypic.com/2dgp3wp.jpg) | ||
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
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HoMM
Estonia635 Posts
Seems to me that the spikes are at weekends? And the average has dropped down to 20k, while being 75k'ish 5 months ago. Damn. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
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nVusZah
United States64 Posts
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
On December 13 2010 12:51 Hot_Bid wrote: This is only for xfire right? Do people even use that site a lot? They don't seem to be much more of a popular site than TL, unless I'm missing something. It's kind of like saying "Modern Warfare playtime is declining rapidly! Future doesn't look bright! Statistics from TeamLiquid.net." that made me lol edit: and i mean i actually ha ha ha'd that shit. | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
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nathangonmad
United Kingdom317 Posts
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
Not to mention these statistics show a 75% drop off since release, as if that wasnt to be expected from north american culture to begin with. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
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