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[News] Prosecutors seek 18 month sentence for Savior

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gorgoino18
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (South)109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 13:59:07
August 20 2010 09:07 GMT
#1
Edit: Inaccurate translation. These are the sentences that are being requested by the prosecuters. Not the actual sentencing given by the judge.

I haven't seen it around the forums yet, so I'll translate as best as I can.

The Starcraft Progamers who were involved in illegal gambling have been sentenced to jail based on how involved they were. Progamer Won must pay a fee of 3,000,000 Won (Roughly $3000) and is sentenced to jail for two years. Progamer Ma has been sentenced to jail for 1 year and 6 months.

From 4 pm to 8 pm, the Prosecutors who have been picked to prosecute and research the scandal of Illegal gambling in the Starcraft Progaming community held and resumed its 5th trial.

Broker Park have been sentenced to two years of jail and former Progamers Jung and Choi and a Self-business Owner Mr.Lee has been sentenced to 1 year of jail each.

The Final Sentence for the accused will be held on the upcoming 10th of September at 10 AM.

However, the sentence looks like this for now (will have to wait for the Final Sentence, but this is what has been sentenced for now):

Broker Park: 2 years of jail.
Progamer Won: 2 years of jail + 3,000,000 Won (Roughly $3000)
Progamer Ma: 1 year and 6 months of jail.
Soccer Player Jung: 1 year and 6 months of jail.
Banker Park: 1 year of jail.
Former Progamer Jung: 1 year of jail.
Former Progamer Choi: 1 year of jail.
Self-business Owner Lee: 1 year of jail.

Will be updated as more people will be sentenced, or if the above sentences change.

P.S. My first translation, a bit rough, but this is the general idea.

Source

EDIT 1:

Progamer Ma has stated: "Due to the mistake I have made, I deeply regret my behavior and actions. Although I have to leave the seven years I have been a part of E-Sports, I would like to say sorry to my teammates, my coaches, and everyone who has been a part of E-sports. If I was given another chance, I would contribute everything I can to society and live a rightful, quiet life to work off my indecencies."

Progamer Won has stated: "At first, I did not know what I have done and caused was a big deal, but now that I do realize what I have done, what I have destroyed and contaminated, I am deeply sorry for the fans and my parents. If the court will be more lenient on my charges, I will try my hardest to live a better, and a more respectful life."

Source 2

EDIT 2:

Progamer Ma = Savior
Progamer Won = Justin

Thanks GTR:
Jung = By.1st, former Sparkyz Terran
Choi = Shinhwa, former Hwaseung Zerg
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 20 2010 09:07 GMT
#2
Oh shit, Prison Bonjwa.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
August 20 2010 09:10 GMT
#3
wow
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
August 20 2010 09:11 GMT
#4
Ah... such a sad day, but I suppose it's deserved.
connoisseur
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
August 20 2010 09:12 GMT
#5
Man they're really sending the players to jail for this? =(
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
August 20 2010 09:13 GMT
#6
What happened to the others? Luxury, yarnc, type-b, hwasin, go.go, darkelf?
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
August 20 2010 09:14 GMT
#7
i guess its on parole?
Bisu... ;-(
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
August 20 2010 09:15 GMT
#8
Woah O_O
JustQuitWarcraftIII
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States679 Posts
August 20 2010 09:17 GMT
#9
Sorry but who is pro-gamer Won again?
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
August 20 2010 09:18 GMT
#10
Holy Moly!
salito
Profile Joined May 2010
1647 Posts
August 20 2010 09:19 GMT
#11
Seems awfully harsh considering that they're so young.
Nature moves in the shortest way possible.
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 09:20:59
August 20 2010 09:19 GMT
#12
Not a fan of savior but wow....

I was kinda hoping he won't be going to jail but he have to pay the price.
cokencheese
Profile Joined October 2009
Philippines748 Posts
August 20 2010 09:19 GMT
#13
Wasn't savior a minor when he was involved?
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 20 2010 09:19 GMT
#14
On August 20 2010 18:17 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:
Sorry but who is pro-gamer Won again?

Justin.
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Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
August 20 2010 09:19 GMT
#15
D= That's pretty harsh, but I suppose what they did was pretty serious, heh.
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
August 20 2010 09:20 GMT
#16
On August 20 2010 18:19 salito wrote:
Seems awfully harsh considering that they're so young.


lol young?
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51446 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 09:20:57
August 20 2010 09:20 GMT
#17
On August 20 2010 18:19 cokencheese wrote:
Wasn't savior a minor when he was involved?


no, he's like 23.

also justin 2 years haha.
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TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
August 20 2010 09:21 GMT
#18
YAY!!!!!!!!!
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gorgoino18
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (South)109 Posts
August 20 2010 09:22 GMT
#19
On August 20 2010 18:13 writer22816 wrote:
What happened to the others? Luxury, yarnc, type-b, hwasin, go.go, darkelf?



I think they will be sentenced later on September 10th.
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H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
August 20 2010 09:22 GMT
#20
Wow. Can't say he didn't have it coming though.
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
August 20 2010 09:22 GMT
#21
They have Wai Pai in prison .. so i guess its ok ..
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Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 09:23:42
August 20 2010 09:23 GMT
#22
Holy shit this is terrible news.... MJY...


Thanks for translation.
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setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
August 20 2010 09:23 GMT
#23
Don't drop the soap Savior!
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 20 2010 09:25 GMT
#24
--- Nuked ---
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
August 20 2010 09:26 GMT
#25
Can we get the OP updated with who the four progamers are?

Ma = Savior
Won = Justin
Jung/Choi = ?
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51446 Posts
August 20 2010 09:27 GMT
#26
Jung = By.1st, former Sparkyz Terran
Choi = Shinhwa, former Hwaseung Zerg
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Mellois
Profile Joined July 2010
United States56 Posts
August 20 2010 09:27 GMT
#27
Woah, this is intense news. O_O
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Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
August 20 2010 09:27 GMT
#28
I hate what savior did but I feel sorry for him.

It is sad that these progamers are going to jail. They not only have the lack of education/experience for jobs outside of esports like most progamers, but a prison record on top of it. Will be tough for them to get good jobs.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 20 2010 09:27 GMT
#29
On August 20 2010 18:26 Craton wrote:
Jung/Choi = ?

Jung = By.1st
Choi = ShinHwA

I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
August 20 2010 09:28 GMT
#30
arg... I guess the laws the law.
Poor MJY.. worst slump ever?
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
August 20 2010 09:29 GMT
#31
On August 20 2010 18:07 gorgoino18 wrote:Progamer Won has stated: "At first, I did not know what I have done and caused was a big deal, but now that I do realize what I have done, what I have destroyed and contaminated, I am deeply sorry for the fans and my parents. If the court will be more lenient on my charges, I will try my hardest to live a better, and a more respectful life."


lol, how about regardless of what the court did, you should try your hardest to live a better more respectful life. Garbage kid. Makes me so mad. Even bothered to read the actual korean.
What garbage.
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
August 20 2010 09:30 GMT
#32
I hope it´s not a prison for the well equipped.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51446 Posts
August 20 2010 09:30 GMT
#33
On August 20 2010 18:29 SuperJongMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 18:07 gorgoino18 wrote:Progamer Won has stated: "At first, I did not know what I have done and caused was a big deal, but now that I do realize what I have done, what I have destroyed and contaminated, I am deeply sorry for the fans and my parents. If the court will be more lenient on my charges, I will try my hardest to live a better, and a more respectful life."


lol, how about regardless of what the court did, you should try your hardest to live a better more respectful life. Garbage kid. Makes me so mad. Even bothered to read the actual korean.
What garbage.


i don't even know if he was a legitimately rubbish player or was just consumed by greed.
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lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
August 20 2010 09:30 GMT
#34
ROFL justin going in for 2 years, then eventually going to military for another 2 years
good luck son, JUSTICE HAS BEEN FUCKING SERVED
You can't fight the feeling.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
August 20 2010 09:31 GMT
#35
Wasn't Upmagic/sangho in this scandal, or am i completely wrong? If so, what happened to them?

"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 09:33:14
August 20 2010 09:32 GMT
#36
On August 20 2010 18:31 Grettin wrote:
Wasn't Upmagic/sangho in this scandal, or am i completely wrong? If so, what happened to them?


Sangho was innocent, but was accused by netizens for a while (and retired).
Upmagic was (as was yarnc, lux, go.go, type-b, darkelf, hwasin, etc)
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
August 20 2010 09:32 GMT
#37
upmagic was, sangho wasn't
and if you read the OP there's also a final sentence coming up
You can't fight the feeling.
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
August 20 2010 09:33 GMT
#38
On August 20 2010 18:31 Grettin wrote:
Wasn't Upmagic/sangho in this scandal, or am i completely wrong? If so, what happened to them?



sangho is innocent and retired due to the scandal . Recently he was planning to become SC2 programer

upmagic is ban from kespa also planning to enter the SC2 Scene.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
August 20 2010 09:34 GMT
#39
savior
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Drium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States888 Posts
August 20 2010 09:34 GMT
#40
They should start a new pro team. It would be like ACE but with prison instead of the airforce.
KwanROLLLLLLLED
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51446 Posts
August 20 2010 09:34 GMT
#41
they can all join ogogo and make a sc prison team!

On March 12 2008 19:26 Plexa wrote:
wow?
retiring isn't enough for progamers anymore? now they have to goto prison too?!
+ Show Spoiler +
Korean Prison System Progaming Team !!
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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 09:41:18
August 20 2010 09:34 GMT
#42
wow, i had thought that the whole thing would blow over with some fines and a few scripted apologies. being sent to jail when you are barely in your twenties is a nightmarish scenario - though i was as pissed as any other sc fan about the scandal, i can't help but be bothered by the sentence.


edit: does anyone know anything about south korea's prison system? how are the conditions and are reduced sentences common for good behavior?
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
August 20 2010 09:34 GMT
#43
On August 20 2010 18:33 DMXD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 18:31 Grettin wrote:
Wasn't Upmagic/sangho in this scandal, or am i completely wrong? If so, what happened to them?



sangho is innocent and retired due to the scandal . Recently he was planning to become SC2 programer

upmagic is ban from kespa also planning to enter the SC2 Scene.


This is why i wanted to know what happened to them.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
August 20 2010 09:39 GMT
#44
Though I'm deeply saddened by your actions, MJY, I will always remember the good times. You will be destroyed in 2011.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 20 2010 09:40 GMT
#45
Hope the nice watch and shoes were worth it.
Remember Violet.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 20 2010 09:41 GMT
#46
On August 20 2010 18:34 GTR wrote:
they can all join ogogo and make a sc prison team!

Show nested quote +
On March 12 2008 19:26 Plexa wrote:
wow?
retiring isn't enough for progamers anymore? now they have to goto prison too?!
+ Show Spoiler +
Korean Prison System Progaming Team !!



Rofl that's exactly what I thought after seeing so many progamers in jail. Boxer made a team for the military, Savior is gonna make a team for the players in jail.

On topic. 1+ years is really harsh omg

In western countries isn't it what you get when driving under the influence ? I mean they almost destroyed the BW pro scene, but they didn't threaten directly any human life.
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Masheyoon
Profile Joined October 2009
United States781 Posts
August 20 2010 09:42 GMT
#47
My username... is forever tainted. Savior was the first player I noticed and took a liking to when I was introduced to the BW scene.

Bonjailwa

On August 20 2010 18:33 DMXD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 18:31 Grettin wrote:
Wasn't Upmagic/sangho in this scandal, or am i completely wrong? If so, what happened to them?



sangho is innocent and retired due to the scandal . Recently he was planning to become SC2 programer

upmagic is ban from kespa also planning to enter the SC2 Scene.

I haven't been following this issue very closely, so I'm curious, why is it Savior gets jai time when Upmagic is free to enter other progaming scenes?

I'll be surprised if any pro team decides to trust any of these guys...
Pafnucy
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland1124 Posts
August 20 2010 09:43 GMT
#48
locked TL banner represents Savior's jail sentence. When 1 year 6 months pass horses are gonna come back.
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ChezGod
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States590 Posts
August 20 2010 09:44 GMT
#49
Ogogo was sent to prison? For what?

Loved his play early in the scene during his WCG (2004?) run. Everyone thought ogogo was gonna be the next big thing but turned out to be a total bust.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 20 2010 09:44 GMT
#50
lol wow. Wonder if Savior is going to learn how to micro his anus
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 20 2010 09:45 GMT
#51
On August 20 2010 18:42 Masheyoon wrote:
I haven't been following this issue very closely, so I'm curious, why is it Savior gets jai time when Upmagic is free to enter other progaming scenes?

Upmagic hasn't been sentenced (yet at least), and even if he does get time, it will be a lot less than Savior, because Savior brokered match fixing for other players, he deserves what he gets.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
August 20 2010 09:45 GMT
#52
I will say it again.. this is probably "on parole". i can't image that one guy with his first trouble with law gets a 1 year sentence.. thats not very likely at all
Bisu... ;-(
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 20 2010 09:45 GMT
#53
On August 20 2010 18:41 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 18:34 GTR wrote:
they can all join ogogo and make a sc prison team!

On March 12 2008 19:26 Plexa wrote:
wow?
retiring isn't enough for progamers anymore? now they have to goto prison too?!
+ Show Spoiler +
Korean Prison System Progaming Team !!



Rofl that's exactly what I thought after seeing so many progamers in jail. Boxer made a team for the military, Savior is gonna make a team for the players in jail.

On topic. 1+ years is really harsh omg

In western countries isn't it what you get when driving under the influence ? I mean they almost destroyed the BW pro scene, but they didn't threaten directly any human life.


haha, in western society for driving under influence you get a warning and 2 more chances before they revoke your license, THEN send you to jail.
Remember Violet.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 20 2010 09:47 GMT
#54
FFFFFFFF T___T ah wellllllll not too surprised at this point..

lol Shinhwa was invovled in this too ??? LOL .. he hasn't been around in ages!
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Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
August 20 2010 09:51 GMT
#55
Ah, poor guys. They should have been send to work from morning till evening, but jail for 1+ years...nah.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 20 2010 09:53 GMT
#56
This feels really harsh to me. I was never that upset about the match-fixing. Disappointed, but I would never dream of jail time for it.
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
August 20 2010 09:54 GMT
#57
Never thought they'd be sent to jail. Seems really harsh but I guess they deserved it.
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
August 20 2010 10:00 GMT
#58
On August 20 2010 18:45 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 18:42 Masheyoon wrote:
I haven't been following this issue very closely, so I'm curious, why is it Savior gets jai time when Upmagic is free to enter other progaming scenes?

Upmagic hasn't been sentenced (yet at least), and even if he does get time, it will be a lot less than Savior, because Savior brokered match fixing for other players, he deserves what he gets.


I thought the rumour that Upmagic was joining sc2 was officially denied by estro and Artosis might have gotten in trouble for the interview he did? I dunno, it was in one of those odd and ends news Milkis does, and nobody really said anything about what happened about it.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
August 20 2010 10:02 GMT
#59
Koreans dont fuck around when it comes to starcraft
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 10:09:12
August 20 2010 10:08 GMT
#60
On August 20 2010 18:45 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 18:42 Masheyoon wrote:
I haven't been following this issue very closely, so I'm curious, why is it Savior gets jai time when Upmagic is free to enter other progaming scenes?

Upmagic hasn't been sentenced (yet at least), and even if he does get time, it will be a lot less than Savior, because Savior brokered match fixing for other players, he deserves what he gets.


They all got summary charged without a trial. They had the right to request one, like go.go did but apparently go.go got shut down in the court in 5 minutes by the judge.

Basically everyone not on that list that were involved got a fine/banned from KeSPA, and I don't think they'll ever able to do anything esports related
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
August 20 2010 10:14 GMT
#61
Wish we can send hackers on Bnet to jail.
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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9016 Posts
August 20 2010 10:22 GMT
#62
Now they're gonna form a jail pro team that will compete with ACE for the last place in PL.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 10:23:45
August 20 2010 10:22 GMT
#63
On August 20 2010 18:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 18:41 endy wrote:
On August 20 2010 18:34 GTR wrote:
they can all join ogogo and make a sc prison team!

On March 12 2008 19:26 Plexa wrote:
wow?
retiring isn't enough for progamers anymore? now they have to goto prison too?!
+ Show Spoiler +
Korean Prison System Progaming Team !!



Rofl that's exactly what I thought after seeing so many progamers in jail. Boxer made a team for the military, Savior is gonna make a team for the players in jail.

On topic. 1+ years is really harsh omg

In western countries isn't it what you get when driving under the influence ? I mean they almost destroyed the BW pro scene, but they didn't threaten directly any human life.


haha, in western society for driving under influence you get a warning and 2 more chances before they revoke your license, THEN send you to jail.


No wonder people keep having deadly car accidents then. In China it's revoked license + 2 weeks of jail and/or community service. Plus your visa is revoked as well if you are a foreigner. Holy shit 1 year and a half

I hope there are no Savior haters in jail... for his butt's sake.
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Kim_Hyun_Han
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
706 Posts
August 20 2010 10:25 GMT
#64
maestro why?
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 20 2010 10:38 GMT
#65
why is justin geting harsher punishment than savior if savoir was the mastermind behind all those matchfixing scandals??
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51446 Posts
August 20 2010 10:43 GMT
#66
justin was the initial broker
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OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
August 20 2010 10:46 GMT
#67
Damn shinhwa, reallyy?
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samdorr
Profile Joined January 2010
2 Posts
August 20 2010 10:52 GMT
#68
He was not *sentenced* to jail yet. The prosecutors demanded 1 year and 6 months of imprisonment for Ma. And since he's a first-time offender, he will probably be put on probation, and won't go to jail anyhow.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17254 Posts
August 20 2010 10:55 GMT
#69
On August 20 2010 18:07 moopie wrote:
Oh shit, Prison Bonjwa.


Not really. Technically, when he was stripped of all his awards/accomplishments he ceased to be bonjwa as he no longer holds necessary titles.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
August 20 2010 10:57 GMT
#70
Now can we put this all behind us?
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kaleidoscope
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore2887 Posts
August 20 2010 10:58 GMT
#71
kind of sad that a computer gaming can eventually lead someone to jail for it's success
대지따라 돌린게 시간이다.. 흘러가고 돌아오지도 않고..
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 11:04:52
August 20 2010 11:00 GMT
#72
On August 20 2010 19:55 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 18:07 moopie wrote:
Oh shit, Prison Bonjwa.


Not really. Technically, when he was stripped of all his awards/accomplishments he ceased to be bonjwa as he no longer holds necessary titles.

... bonjwa was never an official title, so it can't be stripped like an award. And my statement wasn't literal in case you needed help deciphering it.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 20 2010 11:05 GMT
#73
i'm satisfied.
Brood War loyalist
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
August 20 2010 11:05 GMT
#74
On August 20 2010 19:58 kaleidoscope wrote:
kind of sad that a computer gaming can eventually lead someone to jail for it's success

At this point he wasn't even trying to suceed at sc...
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6579 Posts
August 20 2010 11:07 GMT
#75
oh man savior the next scofield. GO PRISON BREAK TT
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
August 20 2010 11:12 GMT
#76
Steep sentences. Although somewhat more deserved for justin and savior since they had a more central role in this.
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pum
Profile Joined March 2004
Sweden306 Posts
August 20 2010 11:15 GMT
#77
What about progamer Jin? Hwasin? Wasn't he also involved in the scandal?
composition
Profile Joined September 2008
98 Posts
August 20 2010 11:20 GMT
#78
Jin sold Ma down the river.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
August 20 2010 11:22 GMT
#79
holy shit don't mess with the BW gods
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
August 20 2010 11:25 GMT
#80
wow... damn

harsh sentence, but I'm still kinda glad they did it... put some scare into younger progamers maybe thinking to do the same in BW/SC2/etc...
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
August 20 2010 11:40 GMT
#81
feel bad for him yea it was a terrible terrible decision, but it sucks to see some guy's life get completely flipped upside down like that
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
August 20 2010 11:45 GMT
#82
Yeah, a fine and a lifetime ban seemed like it would be enough; wasn't really expecting jail time, whether or not it will be actually served.
You have to wonder how their parents are thinking. I assume that the Korean parents are as rabid about education and high-paying jobs as their Chinese counterparts are.
Therick
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway324 Posts
August 20 2010 11:47 GMT
#83
deserved
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Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
August 20 2010 11:59 GMT
#84
Savior betrayed everyone, I don't care about the money, jail time is well deserved for what he and the others did.
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
August 20 2010 12:06 GMT
#85
THANK YOU
that feels so good
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FoBuLouS
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States570 Posts
August 20 2010 12:09 GMT
#86
don't drop the soap sAviOr!
asdfVSqwert
Profile Joined July 2006
Germany174 Posts
August 20 2010 12:30 GMT
#87
Actually nothing to worry about...

As we all know, they will form a Jail-Team of them that will play in ProLeague..

Just like they did with AirForce..




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iCDNME
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia25 Posts
August 20 2010 12:34 GMT
#88
fbh be dancing after hearing this news
I see the enemy
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
August 20 2010 12:34 GMT
#89
Glad they're taking this seriously and setting a good precedence.
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 12:45:02
August 20 2010 12:36 GMT
#90
I think it's kinda ok to set an example like this with the Maestro.

How are South Korean prisons though?
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swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 12:44:23
August 20 2010 12:39 GMT
#91
2 years O_O


way too harsh in my opinion


On August 20 2010 18:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
This feels really harsh to me. I was never that upset about the match-fixing. Disappointed, but I would never dream of jail time for it.

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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 20 2010 12:40 GMT
#92
Man, thats way too far, especially for a bunch of teenagers wtf
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Kelberot
Profile Joined July 2010
Brazil364 Posts
August 20 2010 12:42 GMT
#93
Man that really hurts, I was such a big fan of savior :'(
G3nXsiS
Profile Joined July 2009
United States656 Posts
August 20 2010 12:43 GMT
#94
Wow, jail? Im glad they are taking this seriously for esports but thats a pretty big deal to be sent to jail for 2 years for match fixing. In a way I kind of feel bad for them. These guys put in so much time and effort to be progamers yet they don't get anything back because they just werent good enough or are not doing well, then they result to match fixing and get screwed over.
Hope is the first step on the road to dissapointment
jnay
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada107 Posts
August 20 2010 12:44 GMT
#95
holy. shit. this is pretty intense. hahha imagine a prison pro team.
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 12:47:40
August 20 2010 12:45 GMT
#96
On August 20 2010 21:40 SubtleArt wrote:
Man, thats way too far, especially for a bunch of teenagers wtf

Justin is 23 in 2 days, and savior is 23 in 3 months

on topic: definitely agree with sentences, scumbags deserve to be in jail. Justin's "apology" makes me want to puke
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Neos
Profile Joined June 2009
United States400 Posts
August 20 2010 12:45 GMT
#97
On August 20 2010 21:40 SubtleArt wrote:
Man, thats way too far, especially for a bunch of teenagers wtf

Savior's far from a teenager.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/135_sAviOr

On the topic: E-SPORTS COURT
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
August 20 2010 12:46 GMT
#98
I feel bad for them all, especially Savior.
1-2 years in jail is alot
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 12:56:27
August 20 2010 12:52 GMT
#99
Justin deserves this. The kid got half of his team into trouble.

Well, at least all future generations of progamers will remember this incident due to Savior's involvement. Let's call it his last "contribution" to the development of e-sport, a big red memorable warning sign.

Fun fact: If you search for "Savior" in google image, Ma Bonjwa's face is the first to pop up, followed by Jesus Christ who occupies the honorable 2nd slot. That's quiet an achievement.
wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
August 20 2010 12:59 GMT
#100
Oh wow. They don't take it easy with them
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
August 20 2010 13:01 GMT
#101
On August 20 2010 21:52 dukethegold wrote:
Justin deserves this. The kid got half of his team into trouble.

Well, at least all future generations of progamers will remember this incident due to Savior's involvement. Let's call it his last "contribution" to the development of e-sport, a big red memorable warning sign.

Fun fact: If you search for "Savior" in google image, Ma Bonjwa's face is the first to pop up, followed by Jesus Christ who occupies the honorable 2nd slot. That's quiet an achievement.

This is sickkkk
i hate savoir but hes reppin eSports WOOOOO google images
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 20 2010 13:05 GMT
#102
On August 20 2010 21:43 G3nXsiS wrote:
Wow, jail? Im glad they are taking this seriously for esports but thats a pretty big deal to be sent to jail for 2 years for match fixing. In a way I kind of feel bad for them. These guys put in so much time and effort to be progamers yet they don't get anything back because they just werent good enough or are not doing well, then they result to match fixing and get screwed over.

Why do so many people think this is just about throwing a starcraft match? this is a lot bigger than starcraft. This is about contributing to illegal gambling (and in the case of Justin and Savor, brokering with players to expand the match fixing ring) which is taken seriously. The fact that its related to Starcraft made it more of a front-page material, so there's more of a need for an example to be set, but this is bigger than just 'taking this seriously for esports'..
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17254 Posts
August 20 2010 13:13 GMT
#103
On August 20 2010 22:05 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 21:43 G3nXsiS wrote:
Wow, jail? Im glad they are taking this seriously for esports but thats a pretty big deal to be sent to jail for 2 years for match fixing. In a way I kind of feel bad for them. These guys put in so much time and effort to be progamers yet they don't get anything back because they just werent good enough or are not doing well, then they result to match fixing and get screwed over.

Why do so many people think this is just about throwing a starcraft match? this is a lot bigger than starcraft. This is about contributing to illegal gambling (and in the case of Justin and Savor, brokering with players to expand the match fixing ring) which is taken seriously. The fact that its related to Starcraft made it more of a front-page material, so there's more of a need for an example to be set, but this is bigger than just 'taking this seriously for esports'..


I just wish that sentences like that, and taking it so serious would extend to football too (and all sports in general, cheating + corruption is making everyone suffer).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
August 20 2010 13:14 GMT
#104
This is so pathetic.. jail for this ? U get away easier with murder in most other countries, dont be silly koreans please..
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Punishment
Profile Joined April 2010
Greece1 Post
August 20 2010 13:15 GMT
#105
2 years in prison for this... if you kill a person there i guess you dont away from execution(in public ^^) .....
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
August 20 2010 13:15 GMT
#106
Are you serious? JAIL??? WTF. Wow. There are no words.
KuroN3ko
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia154 Posts
August 20 2010 13:24 GMT
#107
Jail seems.. appropriate..
Some convictions are so strong the world must break to accomodate them
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
August 20 2010 13:25 GMT
#108
Another problem with this is that those progamers will have a criminal background, and will have difficulty finding employment. In essence, their futures are destroyed.
IamAnton
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada335 Posts
August 20 2010 13:25 GMT
#109
jail time is deserved for illegal gambling, as moopie said your all missing the bigger picture then it just being the throwing of a starcraft match so to speak.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33367 Posts
August 20 2010 13:29 GMT
#110
critical translation error, closed
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