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Hey guys,
I just want to open up a discussion about the possibility of the return of the UED.
Honestly, when I found out that the Terran saga was going to revolve around Raynor and the "rebellion" i was really disappointed. I was really hoping to continue with the BW Terran Saga and have UED to come back and set everything straight.
Recall in BW, the terran story actually made sense. The first 2 missions they give you a clear end goal in enslaving the Overmind, and you go about doing it. The other two campaigns were all over the place whereas the Terran one always made things really clear.
Now, onto the possibility of the UED coming back. I think lore-wise it will be fine because really, their whole task force is gone. I'm pretty sure Earth will be pretty pissed to know that 2 admirals and a whole expeditionary force was wiped out and want to retaliate, or at least investigate.
Their purpose may be the same again and just try to claim control of the Humans in the sector where Starcraft is happening.
I dont know, what is everyone's thoughts on this?
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Ever since the ending in Brood War, i always hoped for the Zerg to mass invade and consume Earth, still hope there is a chance that i will happen in HotS
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In theory the UED is so big it shouldn't have an issue wiping out the whole starcraft universe. It was just an expeditionary force that took control of the whole area for an expac. Imagine if they sent a real fleet.
I don't see why they don't conquer it. Hell half a dominion fleet kicks the zerg butt. And protoss are so fragmented and weakened they couldn't do much one way or the other.
As it stands humanity is the only real power in the universe. But some red eyed freak thinks he can beat the small armies located near the zerg/protoss. Good thing he doesn't know that his butt would be rolfstomped by the true zerg... humanity. (countless billions or trillions back in the earth area.... remember it was just a few FEW colony ships that started the whole confederacy/dominion meaning huge population/army etc etc back home)
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thats where sc3 comes along, hopefully within the next 10 years
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I think half the dominion fleet didnt kick zerg's butt, but they could hold out against them for a while with the relic.
But some red eyed freak thinks he can beat the small armies located near the zerg/protoss.
This brings up a good question, during the vision when Zeratul said "The terran has all been consumed" does that include Earth?? or is it just the dominion??
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Man, UED have to return. To me, they will make this more exciting. Why wouldn't they come if their whole task force has been destroyed? Hell, only a minuscule part of their fleet is destroyed. They can still invade/take control of the Sector. It will only make sc2 more exciting.
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What Bobgrimly said.
Consider that the estimated human population of the Korpulu sector is some
13 billion (13000000000), and they are the descendants of some 40000 people in the space of some 300 or less years.
Now Earth had a lot of people at the time of the exile of the Terrans, some 9 billion if I am not mistaken. Now imagine what that population could have done in 360 years (if they grew in number a hundredfold slower then the Terrans the number we get is still mind boggling some 30 trillion people). Another thing is that the people of Earth have superior tech, and the why is simple.
They had a much much bigger number of people, so a greater number of scientists and thus a greater speed of progress.
They had a huge head start in resources, when the Terrans crashlanded they were sent backwards a 100 or more years, and it took them time to recover.
If that ain't enough of a tech advantage the Terrans were in cold sleep for some 60ys I think so that's a 60ys of a tech lag if nothing else.
So my conclusion is that the UED can't be accurately implemented, as they stand they are simple way too OP. Not only that, their tech advantage must be HUGE, so they could only be properly presented as a new fourth race/force. The reason that they use the Terran units in BW is because of game limitations and the fact that their force was a expeditionary one, a strike force of men, not a fleet so they were forced to use the native humans to fight and use their equipment, infact the largest number of the UED fighters were from the Korpulu sector, if I am not horribly mistaken.
EDIT: The number of Terrans who survived the crash and are the ancestors of the current ones is actually 30000, as the 10000 on the Serengo died in the crash, so this makes that there should be even more that the 30 trillion people on earth controlled planets (in the most conservative estimate).
EDIT2: Not to mention many Terrans died in the Zerg attacks (fall of Tarsonis the biggest population), the purifications of the Protoss (Chau Sara was a very successful colony apparently) and Raynor claims that Kerrigan is responsible for the deaths of 8 billion, while he may attribute the entire Zerg killings to her, it is highly unlikely because he is well aware on the matter. So considering that the Earth related wars most certainly did happen, but I am also certain we can say they weren't anywhere on the scale of devastation that ravaged the Terrans so the new numbers on the population of Earth goes up to 100+++ trillions of humans on earth aligned planets, hell if they attack the Korpulu sector with pitchforks they would still own it.
This makes me think that they simply don't care about the sector, even though their expedition force was defeated they clearly see that it's no threat to them but they keep it that so that the people are scared of an enemy and don't question the government, kinda like the US now.
And a last thing to think about, if I take it to the other extreme (the max number of earth aligned humans) the number we get is 14700000000000000 - 14,7 QUADRILLION humans with advanced tech = GG.
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UED tech would be somewhere in between Protoss and Terran tech. too imba
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I don't think the UED will be returning and here is why I don't think so, (To I would love to see a UED decal or something) It would take to long to send a new army from earth, And after the bw the remaining UED regrouped and tried to flee back to earth and kerrigan hunted them down, and as far as we know obliterated the entire fleet
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I'm confident Blizzard will bring the UED into the game in HOTS or LOTV.
BTW in cannon wiki articles it states the UED took 3 weeks only to get to the Sector.
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I don't think the UED will be involved just yet, but I think they will bring some sort of UED back (Stukov arc, anybody?), though the story seems a little more focused on psionic/hybrids than zerg/infestation ..
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Sorry to ruin it, but Chris Metzen stated back in Blizzcon 2008 that the UED would not be making an appearance in the Starcraft II Trilogy.
"The Earth is a long way away. The UED kind of lost interest - one day they hope to do more. The Koprulu sector is a different part of space. Basically, this product has nothing to do with Earth and no new fleets from Earth will be making an appearance - there is too much stuff going on in the Koprulu Sector." (This is completely paraphrased. I was at Blizzcon 2008 and he said it slightly different than this, but the meaning was the same).
Source: Chris Metzen, Blizzcon 2008 SC2 Lore Panel (summary at http://sclegacy.com/feature/33-bc-08/337-starcraft-ii-lore-panel)
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Don't some of the upgrades you get mention UED designs?
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@ bombcar if I remember correctly the only mention of the UED is from the description of the Goliath mercs, that they are ex-UED with advanced tech Goliaths.
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On August 17 2010 20:07 nemanja1503 wrote:
What Bobgrimly said.
Consider that the estimated human population of the Korpulu sector is some
13 billion (13000000000), and they are the descendants of some 40000 people in the space of some 300 or less years.
Now Earth had a lot of people at the time of the exile of the Terrans, some 9 billion if I am not mistaken. Now imagine what that population could have done in 360 years (if they grew in number a hundredfold slower then the Terrans the number we get is still mind boggling some 30 trillion people). Another thing is that the people of Earth have superior tech, and the why is simple.
They had a much much bigger number of people, so a greater number of scientists and thus a greater speed of progress.
They had a huge head start in resources, when the Terrans crashlanded they were sent backwards a 100 or more years, and it took them time to recover.
If that ain't enough of a tech advantage the Terrans were in cold sleep for some 60ys I think so that's a 60ys of a tech lag if nothing else.
So my conclusion is that the UED can't be accurately implemented, as they stand they are simple way too OP. Not only that, their tech advantage must be HUGE, so they could only be properly presented as a new fourth race/force. The reason that they use the Terran units in BW is because of game limitations and the fact that their force was a expeditionary one, a strike force of men, not a fleet so they were forced to use the native humans to fight and use their equipment, infact the largest number of the UED fighters were from the Korpulu sector, if I am not horribly mistaken.
EDIT: The number of Terrans who survived the crash and are the ancestors of the current ones is actually 30000, as the 10000 on the Serengo died in the crash, so this makes that there should be even more that the 30 trillion people on earth controlled planets (in the most conservative estimate).
EDIT2: Not to mention many Terrans died in the Zerg attacks (fall of Tarsonis the biggest population), the purifications of the Protoss (Chau Sara was a very successful colony apparently) and Raynor claims that Kerrigan is responsible for the deaths of 8 billion, while he may attribute the entire Zerg killings to her, it is highly unlikely because he is well aware on the matter. So considering that the Earth related wars most certainly did happen, but I am also certain we can say they weren't anywhere on the scale of devastation that ravaged the Terrans so the new numbers on the population of Earth goes up to 100+++ trillions of humans on earth aligned planets, hell if they attack the Korpulu sector with pitchforks they would still own it.
This makes me think that they simply don't care about the sector, even though their expedition force was defeated they clearly see that it's no threat to them but they keep it that so that the people are scared of an enemy and don't question the government, kinda like the US now.
And a last thing to think about, if I take it to the other extreme (the max number of earth aligned humans) the number we get is 14700000000000000 - 14,7 QUADRILLION humans with advanced tech = GG.
lol yeh. We've discussed this IRL a few times. That if the numbers given etc in the game even adds up alittle, UED could basically trample everyone to death. Unloading wave upon wave of people til all zerg,terran and protoss are stamped to death. Casualty ? Major for the 3 races, like stubbing your toe for UED.
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On August 17 2010 18:55 titan55 wrote:I think half the dominion fleet didnt kick zerg's butt, but they could hold out against them for a while with the relic. Show nested quote +But some red eyed freak thinks he can beat the small armies located near the zerg/protoss. This brings up a good question, during the vision when Zeratul said "The terran has all been consumed" does that include Earth?? or is it just the dominion??
It's quite obvious that he meant ALL humans, including the ones on Earth. The Dark Voice consumed the entire universe after all, and I'm sure that includes the Earth.
And even if UED is as strong as many of you suggest, I don't the the Dark Voice would have any trouble wiping them out with his Zerg army + hybrids. That is if Kerrigan dies and no one controls the Swarm.
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I think the Dark Voice and his squid Hybrids don't stand a chance, the numbers are simply against them, what can the swarm do when humans have a thousand for every 1 Zerg or much more if we use the less conservative estimates.
It would be "Tentacle porn XXII: Revenge of the Schoolgirls." :-P
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On August 18 2010 08:22 nemanja1503 wrote:
I think the Dark Voice and his squid Hybrids don't stand a chance, the numbers are simply against them, what can the swarm do when humans have a thousand for every 1 Zerg or much more if we use the less conservative estimates.
It would be "Tentacle porn XXII: Revenge of the Schoolgirls." :-P
You don't seem to know how the Swarm works at all. They can replenish their numbers very quickly while dead humans are dead.
And why do so many of you here keep coming up with theories about how many humans there are and how powerful they are etc? No, wait it's not even theories, you're saying it as if someone mentioned or suggested it in BW or SC2...thing is, no one has...so why do you keep thinking the UED are so powerful? While I'm sure they're far more powerful than it seemed in BW, I don't think they're so strong that any of the major races (Zerg and Protoss) would get "wtfpwnd".
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