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pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
May 30 2004 13:14 GMT
#521
On May 30 2004 22:11 BroOd wrote:
Far from simple. To say something is "no-rules" adds far too many variables.

how is this then?

they magically warp into a street that has nothing nearby (cars trashcans etc) ??

thats what "no rules" means.
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
May 30 2004 13:16 GMT
#522
On May 30 2004 22:12 Mydnyte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2004 22:04 BroOd wrote:
Did I ask you?


He was helping you understand the point you missed.


Actually, he made an inflamatory statement about an exchange he had nothing to do with, much like yourself. So how about you let Mommy and Daddy talk, and keep on posting yawn faces like a good little boy?
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
May 30 2004 13:19 GMT
#523
On May 30 2004 21:06 BroOd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2004 19:41 Tien wrote:
The only situation we are talking about here is if we dropped them both on the street and forced them to fight each other. No holds barred, anything goes. Biting, hair pulling, scratching, groin hitting, pinching, eye gouging, finger manipulation, anything goes. Who do you think is more prepared for in such a situation?

I still put my money on the guy who trained his whole life for such a situation.


So basically you would choose the rules of the fight to cater to one of the fighters?


that's the point--there are no rules...
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BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
May 30 2004 13:21 GMT
#524
On May 30 2004 22:14 intotherei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2004 22:11 BroOd wrote:
Far from simple. To say something is "no-rules" adds far too many variables.

how is this then?

they magically warp into a street that has nothing nearby (cars trashcans etc) ??

thats what "no rules" means.


Because now you're stretching this imaginary fight into borderline ridiculous. If you're trying to objectively decide who would win the fight, why create settings that heavily favor one fighting style over the other? As Tien put it, it would be the fight Lee had been training all his life for. A bit unfair, don't you think?

Even hypothetically, "warping" into a street or alleyway or another random location simply adds too many variables.
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
Mydnyte
Profile Joined October 2003
3306 Posts
May 30 2004 13:23 GMT
#525
On May 30 2004 22:16 BroOd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2004 22:12 Mydnyte wrote:
On May 30 2004 22:04 BroOd wrote:
Did I ask you?


He was helping you understand the point you missed.


Actually, he made an inflamatory statement about an exchange he had nothing to do with, much like yourself. So how about you let Mommy and Daddy talk, and keep on posting yawn faces like a good little boy?

Ok idiot.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 30 2004 13:23 GMT
#526
On May 30 2004 22:16 BroOd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2004 22:12 Mydnyte wrote:
On May 30 2004 22:04 BroOd wrote:
Did I ask you?


He was helping you understand the point you missed.


Actually, he made an inflamatory statement about an exchange he had nothing to do with, much like yourself. So how about you let Mommy and Daddy talk, and keep on posting yawn faces like a good little boy?


Badum ching
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
May 30 2004 13:25 GMT
#527
Because now you're stretching this imaginary fight into borderline ridiculous.
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no its not imaginary or borderline ridiculous. i wrote "warp" so you wouldnt nitpick. would you like this better? they both walked into the street with nothing nearby.

If you're trying to objectively decide who would win the fight, why create settings that heavily favor one fighting style over the other?
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because the outcome is dependant on the setting, no setting was specified thus my answer is dependant on the setting. there is no "objective" answer because, well.... rewind a line

As Tien put it, it would be the fight Lee had been training all his life for. A bit unfair, don't you think?
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just like if you put lee in the ring, its the fight ali has been training his whole life for


Even hypothetically, "warping" into a street or alleyway or another random location simply adds too many variables.
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lol no it doesnt. specify how?
Mydnyte
Profile Joined October 2003
3306 Posts
May 30 2004 13:26 GMT
#528
On May 30 2004 22:23 Rt-S.FakeSteve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2004 22:16 BroOd wrote:
On May 30 2004 22:12 Mydnyte wrote:
On May 30 2004 22:04 BroOd wrote:
Did I ask you?


He was helping you understand the point you missed.


Actually, he made an inflamatory statement about an exchange he had nothing to do with, much like yourself. So how about you let Mommy and Daddy talk, and keep on posting yawn faces like a good little boy?


Badum ching
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 30 2004 13:29 GMT
#529
Hush
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Mydnyte
Profile Joined October 2003
3306 Posts
May 30 2004 13:30 GMT
#530
On May 30 2004 22:29 Rt-S.FakeSteve wrote:
Hush
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
May 30 2004 13:33 GMT
#531
"no its not imaginary or borderline ridiculous. i wrote "warp" so you wouldnt nitpick. would you like this better? they both walked into the street with nothing nearby."

I wasn't nitpicking warp at all, and yes, it is imaginary. And let's take a step back here. The whole "street-fight" idea is ridiculous. If the two were fighting, it would most certainly be a professional one. It's not pick-up basketball we're talking about. One could argue that one offended another on the street, and they decided to fight, but that adds an emotional variable, not to mention who gets the first strike of the fight.

"because the outcome is dependant on the setting, no setting was specified thus my answer is dependant on the setting."

We're discussing a fight between two legends, and your result is based on a setting? What's the point?

"just like if you put lee in the ring, its the fight ali has been training his whole life for"

You're re-iterating my point exactly. I never said put them in a ring, because that would be hypocritical, wouldn't it?

"lol no it doesnt. specify how?"

Because this fight isn't taking place in a vacuum. "The best-laid plans of mice and men often go astry."
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
May 30 2004 13:43 GMT
#532
then lets drop this discussion now b/c you already gave it a setting by labeling it "professoinal" which most likely means rules/no holds barred.

there is no real answer unless the questoin is more defined.

i defined the questoin and i gave answers based upon those definitions
Zerius[TPR]
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada1633 Posts
May 30 2004 13:51 GMT
#533
Close this topic, its just a waste of time. Ali supporters will continue to use the "twice as big, just as fast, way stronger, and infinitely more experienced" arguement, and the Lee supporters will use examples from his movies, and "credible" quotes from other movie stars about how he was basically invincible.

Oh and Im pretty sure i saw one guy is argueing for Lee because "asians are mysterious and scary". No Comment on that mental debacle.
where from you, circus?
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
May 30 2004 13:52 GMT
#534
I gave it a tone, not a setting. To be honest, I think this is an unanswerable question, and a theoretical discussion will always be tainted by favoritism/bias.
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
May 30 2004 13:54 GMT
#535
unanswerable when undefined just as many other questoins would be

its like saying "would boxer beat yellow"

when?! when boxer is t and yellow is z and lt? or on gaema gowun or what!!

the questoin merely needs definition
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
May 30 2004 13:55 GMT
#536
On May 30 2004 22:51 Zerius wrote:
Close this topic, its just a waste of time. Ali supporters will continue to use the "twice as big, just as fast, way stronger, and infinitely more experienced" arguement, and the Lee supporters will use examples from his movies, and "credible" quotes from other movie stars about how he was basically invincible.

Oh and Im pretty sure i saw one guy is argueing for Lee because "asians are mysterious and scary". No Comment on that mental debacle.
there have been many good argumenst for both though!
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
May 30 2004 13:56 GMT
#537
I'm not trying to be an ass, but just so you know, it's "question".
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-30 13:59:31
May 30 2004 13:58 GMT
#538
On May 30 2004 22:56 BroOd wrote:
I'm not trying to be an ass, but just so you know, it's "question".
i'm not trying to be an ass, but, shit really? i didnt know that. NO WONDER I FAILED ENGLISH 8 TEIMES??

edit: maybe u dont get my sarcasm, so ill lay it out for u

ppl are sleeping and i awnna be quiet so i make alot of typos when im typing ok?? question just happened to have many typos in a row ._.
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
May 30 2004 13:59 GMT
#539
On May 30 2004 22:54 intotherei wrote:
unanswerable when undefined just as many other questoins would be

its like saying "would boxer beat yellow"

when?! when boxer is t and yellow is z and lt? or on gaema gowun or what!!

the questoin merely needs definition


Well, I think you're wrong. No matter how many paramaters you add, as long as they remain moderately balanced, either one could win on any given day. The same also applies to Ali/Lee.
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
May 30 2004 14:01 GMT
#540
On May 30 2004 22:59 BroOd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2004 22:54 intotherei wrote:
unanswerable when undefined just as many other questoins would be

its like saying "would boxer beat yellow"

when?! when boxer is t and yellow is z and lt? or on gaema gowun or what!!

the questoin merely needs definition


Well, I think you're wrong. No matter how many paramaters you add, as long as they remain moderately balanced, either one could win on any given day. The same also applies to Ali/Lee.
really? what if one of them was trapped in an unbreakable box and the other one could push a button filling the box with water and theres absolutely no way the box would break or open. what then? haha going out on a tangent just to be silly
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