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Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 23:50:32
May 20 2010 23:45 GMT
#1
After writing this I realized that it would be most appropriate as its own thread. I've done Geoff (now known as Jeoff) the honor of writing this in my best imitation of his charming style.

1. Remove the fucking Colossus.

The Colossus is the definition of a bad fucking idea. It has 350 fucking health. You can Yamato this fucking thing, and it will not die. But wait, the Colossus can be upgraded to have 9 fucking range. What the fuck is that? This fucking thing has a sea of hit points and yet it can't be hit because, let me say again, it has 9 fucking range. You can't build a game with a unit like that in it. That's why you give this glorified AT-ST the ability to walk up and down cliffs, and did I mention this is no Reaver, it's as fast as a fucking Zealot? Call the fucking Ewoks, deus ex machina we need a deus ex machina.

As if its complete failure from a stats perspective weren't enough, just fucking look at the Colossus. It finds its roots in a Tom Cruise (post-insanity) movie. The Colossus looks fucking hideous. And it's fucking huge. What could be worse than the most disgusting unit design ever created? Easy, the most disgusting unit design stretching across half your fucking screen. As much as you try, you can't not see the god damn thing because it's ten stories tall and as a wide as a Thor.

As eloquently as I can say it: The Colossus fucking sucks. Not only does it suck, but it reshapes the entire game to suck. Five minutes after the first Colossus has been spotted on the field of battle the entire game has degenerated into a clusterfuck. How could it not when the only unit actually doing anything is the fucking Colossus. The Colossus becomes the backbone, heart, and soul of the Protoss ground army, and that's shit. The fact that Protoss ground is completely fucked without the Colossus probably hasn't escaped the attention of the bronze players who are flirting with negative ratings. So get the god damn thing out of the game, rebalance the Protoss ground army and consider putting in something that's actually interesting like, uh, the Reaver, or, uh, anything that has not the faintest resemblance to the fucking Colossus.

2. Remove the fucking Reaper. There is no unit in the game that vies with the Colossus for the title of the worst unit. But if it could be said that there was an aspirant to that lofty fucking distinction, it would be the Reaper. Here's another horrible, non-strategic unit. Why non-strategic? Think about Chess. Limitations make the game interesting. If everything could just do whatever the hell it pleased, you wouldn't have strategy, you would have a god damn cluster fuck. And that's what the Reaper is all about. The Reaper's sole purpose is to convert a relatively interesting early game into a cluster fuck.

New player? Well you better get on board or get the fuck out, because you're gonna lose 100% of the time to this guy. Like his rival, the Colossus, the Reaper can scale cliffs, so he can enter your base from virtually any location. Then he can rape your Marines, Zealots, or Zerglings and finally rape your workers. That's the whole story. It doesn't have a sequel because you'll never see the Reaper again. Nonetheless, any time you play a fucking Terran you better get it through your head that a Reaper rush might be on its way, because if it is, and you're not ready, it's game, set, match. This guy rapes all your early game shit and all your buildings, so you're fucked. You can't hope to kill or delay it with your workers because it rapes all those instantly. Bottom line, if you're a new player, get on the right side of this issue. If you're below Platinum league and you wanna move up, just remember the "r" button, and no, that's not "r" for Roach. It's Reaper time.

The one virtue of this unit, and the reason he shouldn't be in the game at all, is that the Reaper serves virutally no purpose after the initial rush period is over. 50 gas for a unit that has like 50 hit points, 4.5 range, and can't fight anything armored? If you'll buy that for your army you'll buy real estate in Detroit (or are we past this one?). Anyway, fuck the Reaper, for virtually every function it might serve, you have some better alternative. The Reaper's entire existence revolves around fucking up early game build orders and to possibly do a little harassment or expansion denial afterward. That is not the kind of unit you want in your game. Every other unit serves some meaningful combat role. The Reaper does not. The only purpose this unit serves is to give competitive and non-competitive players alike a mindfuck when they're designing build orders. And for non-competitive players, if you're just hoping to sort of build stuff without any real plan in mind, expect to lose most of your games against Terran opponents in about 5 minutes. Fuck the Reaper.

3. Remove air units. Wait, that's not quite it. Do something about fucking air units, specifically, do something about air units blowing up everything on the ground. You've removed the Goliath. You've made Archons suck. I can no longer make a Hydralisk until I have a Lair. If I'm Zerg, my fucking macro mechanic is the only thing between me and the fucking fleets of Aiur. Talk about proof that the whole Darwin thing was a pipe dream, this is devolution if I've ever seen it.

What's more, the Wraith is back and it's called "Banshee." Now it blows the hell out of anything touching the surface of the world - and it does so from the fucking moon. The Scout's gone - oh no - and now we've got the Void Ray. Two of these guys will fuck your world up. Again - new player? Protoss opponent? Expect to see the big blue eraser beam wipe out all your base. And what's even better, Corsairs find their reincarnation as the Phoenixi / Phoenixes / Phoeniii. They'll be throwing shit around with tractor beams. Now even the anti-air will rape your ground forces. And of course the Mutalisk makes its triumphant return, not to have its thunder stolen by any of these other air-to-ground monsters, the Mutalisk is returned in full fighting form and is completely capable of all the bullshit it was before except that now you don't have to micro it because nothing on the ground can kill it.

But seriously, this is how it is. Half the surface-to-air shit is gone (except for the Missile Turret because humans are smart), and all the air-to-surface stuff took steroids. If you wanna fight stuff in the air, you better be in the air. And that's a problem Blizzard needs to carefully consider.

4. The fucking Banelings. Just require a god damn Lair before Zerg can produce a Baneling Nest. Speedlings rape Marines. That's covered. Roaches (lol) should rape Zealots. That's taken care of. Speedlings rape Stalkers. Done. Sentries aren't a big a deal. Speedlings rape Marauders. Reapers should be removed. Let's rebalance Tier 1 Zerg without the fucking rolly pollies. The fucking Baneling is like 10:1 efficient against marines, coupled with the fact that Speedlings already rape Marines, I think this is a little overkill.

Other problems: the Void Ray, the Siege Tank, Zerg sucks, and I'm addicted to SC2.

Edit: Other problems (extended): The Ultra-lol (being addressed, apparently). Zerg not only sucks but is boring. Zerg has one effective spellcaster (being addressed, slightly).Last edit: 2010-05-21 08:43:25
MrBitter: Phoenixes... They're like flying hellions. Always cost efficient.
machinus
Profile Joined January 2010
United States291 Posts
May 20 2010 23:46 GMT
#2
Can't you just play Brood War if you don't like all the new units? Players (and blizzard) will figure out how to balance all this stuff and make a good game.
prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
May 20 2010 23:47 GMT
#3
the amount of imminent trolling in this thread is insane.
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jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 23:49:27
May 20 2010 23:48 GMT
#4
edit- lol. My troll detectors weren't switched on.
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
May 20 2010 23:48 GMT
#5
Rofl I haven't finished reading but this is pretty funny so far
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how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
May 20 2010 23:48 GMT
#6
On May 21 2010 08:46 machinus wrote:
Can't you just play Brood War if you don't like all the new units? Players (and blizzard) will figure out how to balance all this stuff and make a good game.


It's pretty hard to go back once you've started sc2 properly.
syri.fef
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16 Posts
May 20 2010 23:49 GMT
#7
On May 21 2010 08:46 machinus wrote:
Can't you just play Brood War if you don't like all the new units? Players (and blizzard) will figure out how to balance all this stuff and make a good game.


Why do we see useless replies like this SO MUCH whenever anyone has a problem with an SC2 unit? Just because BW is already a great game doesn't mean SC2 shouldn't be a great game as well with interesting units and mechanics.
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
May 20 2010 23:49 GMT
#8
remove air units. great idea.

please get out with your pathetic whining and either go back to broodwar or figure the game out with the units we have.

if your addicted then deal with it.
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Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
May 20 2010 23:49 GMT
#9
Sounds like disciple isn't the only one who wishes sc2 never came.
machinus
Profile Joined January 2010
United States291 Posts
May 20 2010 23:50 GMT
#10
On May 21 2010 08:49 syri.fef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 08:46 machinus wrote:
Can't you just play Brood War if you don't like all the new units? Players (and blizzard) will figure out how to balance all this stuff and make a good game.


Why do we see useless replies like this SO MUCH whenever anyone has a problem with an SC2 unit? Just because BW is already a great game doesn't mean SC2 shouldn't be a great game as well with interesting units and mechanics.


It already is a great game with interesting units.
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
May 20 2010 23:51 GMT
#11
Fucking fleets of Aiur. Damn Straight. Preach on my brotha!

This thread is so win.
Hyperion2010
Profile Joined April 2010
United States122 Posts
May 20 2010 23:51 GMT
#12
Personally I prefer the option to eat babies.
My waifu for aiur!
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
May 20 2010 23:52 GMT
#13
haha great rage.. embrace it

Other than that, i'd suggest this went into blogs ;O
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Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
May 20 2010 23:52 GMT
#14
Okay, final edit posted. Dinner time. Sorry about the delay

Bonus:

"The Zerg macro mechanic just killed my Warp Prism." -Nony
MrBitter: Phoenixes... They're like flying hellions. Always cost efficient.
dtvu
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia687 Posts
May 20 2010 23:53 GMT
#15
Removing colossus/reapers/baneling will make the game less dynamic. I think we generally want more units to choose from, not less.
Scope
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden147 Posts
May 20 2010 23:53 GMT
#16
cool story bro
I think therefore I win
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
May 20 2010 23:53 GMT
#17
some of this rant makes some sense. but please dont justify removing a unit just because its different from BW.
Mr.E
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States434 Posts
May 20 2010 23:54 GMT
#18
On May 21 2010 08:46 machinus wrote:
Can't you just play Brood War if you don't like all the new units? Players (and blizzard) will figure out how to balance all this stuff and make a good game.


This.
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joolz
Profile Joined March 2010
United States67 Posts
May 20 2010 23:55 GMT
#19
i take it 90% of TL hasn't heard of thomas swift
danson
Profile Joined April 2010
United States689 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 23:55:54
May 20 2010 23:55 GMT
#20
such win in this post.

you sound like the text manifestation of listening to orbs stream while hes gettting proxied.

but srsly

less qq plx, the collossus is expensive and vulnerable... an all ground game would suck, good micro counters banelings, and THIS ISNT BROOD WAR.

noone at blizzard give a flying fuck that there are no lurkers,vessels,defilers,scouts,wraiths,reavers, or any other unit from that crappy game.

this is a NEW game, with NEW gameplay.

if you want to play the same 12 year old game, but with better grafix. open up galaxy and start making it.
Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
May 20 2010 23:55 GMT
#21
On May 21 2010 08:52 never_toss wrote:
haha great rage.. embrace it

Other than that, i'd suggest this went into blogs ;O


Ah, I'm actually completely serious about these issues if not precisely the changes I'm proposing. It's probably hard for people who aren't any good to understand where the humor ends and my actual intentions begin, but even if I wrote in a completely different voice it wouldn't change the fact that most people wouldn't actually appreciate the issues; how or why they need to be fixed. I think this approach is a lot more entertaining than some alternatives.
MrBitter: Phoenixes... They're like flying hellions. Always cost efficient.
yarkO
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada810 Posts
May 20 2010 23:55 GMT
#22
On May 21 2010 08:48 -orb- wrote:
Rofl I haven't finished reading but this is pretty funny so far


What a shocker: the biggest crybaby to land a featured stream is entertained by an (obvious) troll post, whining about things as if his vision of balance is the right one. Seems like you've found yourself a kindred spirit.

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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 23:58:24
May 20 2010 23:56 GMT
#23
-The colossus is indeed terrible. All my late game PvZ and PvP are just mass colossus, the only purpose of the others units is to tank the damage, meatshield style :/

-I think the reaper is a way more interesting concept but it needs to be more balanced. OP early game then it becomes absolutly terrible...

-The main problem with the air units is the micro imo. if you could micro properly range and damage could be nerfed. I think Blizz should take a look to the micro mod.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 20 2010 23:56 GMT
#24
okay, not acknowledging your justifications (because they are overblown and filled with rage) - i do have to agree about air units. Something about them just doesn't feel "right".
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Decko
Profile Joined May 2010
United States150 Posts
May 20 2010 23:57 GMT
#25
Well if we're going to remove air units, we need to add nautical units. LOL
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Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
May 20 2010 23:58 GMT
#26
On May 21 2010 08:56 Boblion wrote:
The colossus is indeed terrible. All my late game PvZ and PvP are just mass colossus, the only purpose of the others units is to tank the damage, meatshield style :/


Yeah, this thread is the introduction to me proposing a homework assignment for Protoss players over plat ~1600 or so. I'd like the resident Protosses here on TL.net to make an effort to play non-Void Ray, non-Phoenix P without using the Colossus. I think it's gonna be damn near impossible, and I expect that winning percentages would drop to like half of their current value in standard mid- and late-game situations. If that's the case, then the Colossus truly is a huge issue.
MrBitter: Phoenixes... They're like flying hellions. Always cost efficient.
HansMoleman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States343 Posts
May 20 2010 23:58 GMT
#27
I'm guessing you just got done RAGE quitting?
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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 23:59:03
May 20 2010 23:58 GMT
#28
I think your thread title should be changed lol. I'm amazed this isn't closed.
Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
May 20 2010 23:58 GMT
#29
On May 21 2010 08:45 Failsafe wrote:
the Mutalisk is returned in full fighting form and is completely capable of all the bullshit it was before except that now you don't have to micro it because nothing on the ground can kill it.


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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27172 Posts
May 21 2010 00:01 GMT
#30
Since you have been here since '06, you probably had a good idea the kind of reaction this thread would get when you wrote it. So you can't plead ignorance.
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