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On May 03 2010 01:33 InFdude wrote:
IMO it's just that ZvZ is so much BO dependent and "terrans these days just don't die " . Terrans have gotten better and taking early game advantage but I can't remember a game where Jaedong lost bacause of his poor late game performance.
ZvZ is actually about the first air battle and the ling harass. Besides, Jaedong is an epic ZvZ.
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The only reason Jaedong is looking so "meh" is because Flash is so very very strong. There's a reason people start calling him Bonjwa. There's hasn't been such a display of dominance & skill since sAviOr's prime.
If you look at this graph, Jaedong isn't performing much worse than he was at his "peak".
On May 02 2010 16:32 fusionsdf wrote:![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/icH7o.png) thats win pct over the last year
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On May 02 2010 22:18 Juicyfruit wrote:
I think Jaedong is still Jaedong.
this.
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On May 03 2010 01:48 Mooncat wrote:The only reason Jaedong is looking so "meh" is because Flash is so very very strong. There's a reason people start calling him Bonjwa. There's hasn't been such a display of dominance & skill since sAviOr's prime. If you look at this graph, Jaedong isn't performing much worse than he was at his "peak".
Indeed. Jaedong is still the reigning zerg overlord, and despite being overshadowed by Flash, he remains well ahead of anyone else. He definitely has a chance to win this MSL, and one or two leagues next round.
Oh, and comparisons with Savior are funny. Jaedong's reign was at least impressive as Savior's (and Flash's winning rate over the last few months now is much higher than either player's peak), and will be even more impressive if he can continue to keep up with Flash. But of course conventional logic doesn't apply when comparing to Savior. For example, the Liquipedia article on KeSPA ranking contains the following gem: "After sAviOr, the last bonjwa was dethroned by Bisu, no player has been able to dominate for a long amount of time — except Jaedong, who was the top-1 for 11 consecutive months." Nevermind that Jaedong's #1 streak was longer than Savior's -- since JD wasn't "bonjwa", his streak can merely be considered an exception, and therefore Savior remains the last player to have been truly dominating for a long time...
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No man, Jd remains The Tyrant!
Go Go Jaedong FTW
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So much bad grammar in this thread!
Honestly Jaedong's reign ended when Flash's started.
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On May 02 2010 22:28 Jackal03 wrote:
march/april has aways been the non dominanting months of JD
he'll be back to owning shortly
This.
Jaedong is still Jaedong.
I believe.
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On May 03 2010 02:09 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2010 01:48 Mooncat wrote:The only reason Jaedong is looking so "meh" is because Flash is so very very strong. There's a reason people start calling him Bonjwa. There's hasn't been such a display of dominance & skill since sAviOr's prime. If you look at this graph, Jaedong isn't performing much worse than he was at his "peak". On May 02 2010 16:32 fusionsdf wrote:thats win pct over the last year Indeed. Jaedong is still the reigning zerg overlord, and despite being overshadowed by Flash, he remains well ahead of anyone else. He definitely has a chance to win this MSL, and one or two leagues next round. Oh, and comparisons with Savior are funny. Jaedong's reign was at least impressive as Savior's (and Flash's winning rate over the last few months now is much higher than either player's peak), and will be even more impressive if he can continue to keep up with Flash. But of course conventional logic doesn't apply when comparing to Savior. For example, the Liquipedia article on KeSPA ranking contains the following gem: "After sAviOr, the last bonjwa was dethroned by Bisu, no player has been able to dominate for a long amount of time — except Jaedong, who was the top-1 for 11 consecutive months." Nevermind that Jaedong's #1 streak was longer than Savior's -- since JD wasn't "bonjwa", his streak can merely be considered an exception, and therefore Savior remains the last player to have been truly dominating for a long time...
Jaedong's #1 streak where? Kespa? Power Rank? What?
The thing is just that Jaedong never was that uncontested best player. It was always Jaedong, Flash, Bisu and people couldn't decide who of them was the strongest/best/most skilled etc., no matter if he was Kespa #1 at that time. What Flash is doing now is something else. Without thinking I can say that Flash is the uncontested #1 best player there ever was. There is no one I would bet money on against Flash, be it a single match or a BoX. Or to turn it around, I would bet my money on Flash without worries no matter who he's playing against.
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It's basically impossible to say. Depends his motivation, and how his life goes.
Wait and see. Flash could have very well never recovered from his "slump" and never shine as he had done.
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Jaedong seems weak right now because he just hasn't changed. He's just stuck in the #2 position and after a while of never giving Flash any competition, he seems kinda boring. JD's still doing fairly though. I think Zero might overtake him someday though.
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Did yall see how he shat on midas? No i think hes okay
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On May 03 2010 03:07 KrUtiAL wrote:
Did yall see how he shat on midas? No i think hes okay
Well, that series isn't over yet.
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Whatever, if Flash and Jaedong play again, my money will almost always be on the dong.
A Jaedong motivated to win is THE SCARIEST thing in BW EVERRR.
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if you wanna talk slump, look at bisu. I don't even know how he is going to come out of this one.
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The Dong faces his stiffest competition in Flash. With Flash as hard as he is to beat off, The Dong comes up short.
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On May 03 2010 03:35 Dandy4 wrote:
if you wanna talk slump, look at bisu. I don't even know how he is going to come out of this one.
After seeing how Midas came out of his slump, I think it's entirely possible.
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Jaedong has won 11 out of his 13 last ZvZs. That's awesome.
Jaedong has won 16 out of his 17 last ZvPs. THAT'S SICK. He haven't gotten to play ZvP in like 25 games though - if he would've been playing some ZvP he would look a lot stronger lately.
TvZ is 65ish% (anyone know the exact numbers?) in favor of Terran in Pro League during a long period of time (this is something I just heard so I know nothing for sure). With the current maps and meta game, zergs are for sure at a disadvantage.
Jaedong is still BY FAR the second best player in the world. He's not the best at the moment but... I mean Flash, oh my god.
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On May 03 2010 03:33 SuperJongMan wrote:
A Jaedong motivated to win is THE SCARIEST thing in BW EVERRR.
So long as Jaedong still walks into his booth with those murderous eyes, I know he's the most dangerous man in StarCraft.
A motivated Jaedong is the most exciting player to watch, gives me the chills.
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On May 03 2010 04:03 Gigaudas wrote:
Jaedong has won 11 out of his 13 last ZvZs. That's awesome.
Jaedong has won 16 out of his 17 last ZvPs. THAT'S SICK. He haven't gotten to play ZvP in like 25 games though - if he would've been playing some ZvP he would look a lot stronger lately.
TvZ is 65ish% (anyone know the exact numbers?) in favor of Terran in Pro League during a long period of time (this is something I just heard so I know nothing for sure). With the current maps and meta game, zergs are for sure at a disadvantage.
Jaedong is still BY FAR the second best player in the world. He's not the best at the moment but... I mean Flash, oh my god.
You can't beat statistics like that.
The thing is you just don't expect Jaedong to lose even if the maps don't favor him. So if he loses, the SC world goes into panic.
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