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keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
May 02 2010 13:55 GMT
#21
On May 02 2010 22:52 Manit0u wrote:
No.
Nothing more to say here.


On May 02 2010 22:18 Juicyfruit wrote:
I think Jaedong is still Jaedong.



Agreed.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 02 2010 13:56 GMT
#22
The only reason a thread like this popped up is that Flash is being record breakingly dominant. Take Flash out of the equation and we would still think of JD as the clear #1.
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J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
May 02 2010 14:01 GMT
#23
This MSL will decide a lot. Let's wait and see.
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
May 02 2010 14:11 GMT
#24
it's amazing how consistently jaedong wins even when he's not "dominant". he won his last osl during a "slump" (loses to calm in msl, loss to fantasy in proleague championship), won his last msl while in a similar sort of slump. Not to mention one of the greatest zvp streaks ever which got very little recognition due to flash.

So I wouldn't say Jaedong is second best. Flash goes through more dominant stretches but Jaedong knows how to win when it counts.
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
May 02 2010 14:12 GMT
#25
Isn't he playing through some sort of an injury? As long as it's not something serious/long term, I'm not at all worried about him. Last MSL wasn't that long ago
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Motiva
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1774 Posts
May 02 2010 14:13 GMT
#26
Slump? oh you mean he actually has to lose 3 games per 10 to maintain that 70% winrate? oh... yea... slump...
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
May 02 2010 14:18 GMT
#27
flash is just so dominant right now that Jaedong doesnt have any room to assert his dominance.

He's still pretty good...looking at his record, his ZvZ is 75% (last 10: 8:2) and and his ZvP is reaching close to 70% (last 10: 9:1)
if anything, maybe its his ZvT thats a little weak, but that's still over 60% (last 10: 5:5)
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Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
May 02 2010 15:49 GMT
#28
On May 02 2010 23:11 d_so wrote:
it's amazing how consistently jaedong wins even when he's not "dominant". he won his last osl during a "slump" (loses to calm in msl, loss to fantasy in proleague championship), won his last msl while in a similar sort of slump. Not to mention one of the greatest zvp streaks ever which got very little recognition due to flash.

So I wouldn't say Jaedong is second best. Flash goes through more dominant stretches but Jaedong knows how to win when it counts.


That's not true though. Starting from November and ending at his MSL victory about 3 months later, he went 29-7 (81%). For comparison, Flash went 37-11 (77%) during the same time period (with a tougher schedule, though, and probably a higher general level of skill from his opponents due to going all the way in both SL's). I wouldn't call that a slump.

About Jaedong reign being over. Well, unless Flash burns out maybe he won't ever be #1 again (he might be able to take the MSL, but I don't see him keeping up with Flash's consistency), but as long as he get's ZvT under control for good he'll still be #2 by a mile.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
May 02 2010 15:53 GMT
#29
On May 03 2010 00:49 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2010 23:11 d_so wrote:
it's amazing how consistently jaedong wins even when he's not "dominant". he won his last osl during a "slump" (loses to calm in msl, loss to fantasy in proleague championship), won his last msl while in a similar sort of slump. Not to mention one of the greatest zvp streaks ever which got very little recognition due to flash.

So I wouldn't say Jaedong is second best. Flash goes through more dominant stretches but Jaedong knows how to win when it counts.


That's not true though. Starting from November and ending at his MSL victory about 3 months later, he went 29-7 (81%). For comparison, Flash went 37-11 (77%) during the same time period (with a tougher schedule, though, and probably a higher general level of skill from his opponents due to going all the way in both SL's). I wouldn't call that a slump.

About Jaedong reign being over. Well, unless Flash burns out maybe he won't ever be #1 again (he might be able to take the MSL, but I don't see him keeping up with Flash's consistency), but as long as he get's ZvT under control for good he'll still be #2 by a mile.

Dont. Question. That. Damned. ZvT.

He just beat Midas in convincing fashion, 3 of his loses was caused by Baby, without Baby who also had his part of Beating Stork out of the OSL. Remember who he lost to before claiming slump, Jaedong haven't even slumped hard through April. I could claim KTRolster Slump after + Show Spoiler +
they lost to SKT1
but it's not fun cheering for someone who allways wins after all.
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skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
May 02 2010 16:05 GMT
#30
On May 02 2010 22:52 SplashbackFerret wrote:
Nah, it's just that this time his traditional post-finals "slump" coincided with his traditional april jinx, so everything seemed twice as bad as normal.

lol...i remember seeing a thread about his april jinx but couldn't seem to find it
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
May 02 2010 16:06 GMT
#31
On May 03 2010 00:53 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2010 00:49 Cpadolf wrote:
On May 02 2010 23:11 d_so wrote:
it's amazing how consistently jaedong wins even when he's not "dominant". he won his last osl during a "slump" (loses to calm in msl, loss to fantasy in proleague championship), won his last msl while in a similar sort of slump. Not to mention one of the greatest zvp streaks ever which got very little recognition due to flash.

So I wouldn't say Jaedong is second best. Flash goes through more dominant stretches but Jaedong knows how to win when it counts.


That's not true though. Starting from November and ending at his MSL victory about 3 months later, he went 29-7 (81%). For comparison, Flash went 37-11 (77%) during the same time period (with a tougher schedule, though, and probably a higher general level of skill from his opponents due to going all the way in both SL's). I wouldn't call that a slump.

About Jaedong reign being over. Well, unless Flash burns out maybe he won't ever be #1 again (he might be able to take the MSL, but I don't see him keeping up with Flash's consistency), but as long as he get's ZvT under control for good he'll still be #2 by a mile.

Dont. Question. That. Damned. ZvT.

He just beat Midas in convincing fashion, 3 of his loses was caused by Baby, without Baby who also had his part of Beating Stork out of the OSL. Remember who he lost to before claiming slump, Jaedong haven't even slumped hard through April. I could claim KTRolster Slump after + Show Spoiler +
they lost to SKT1
but it's not fun cheering for someone who allways wins after all.


His ZvT is not bad, it's inconsistent. It can be amazing, like against Leta and Midas last month, but some of the other games he's had lately have just been very unconvincing in comparison.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-02 16:07:45
May 02 2010 16:07 GMT
#32
Flash is just too imba right now, outshining everybody else.

If Jaedong can fix his ZvT, win a game against Flash, he will be back on the top.

Then again, Jaedong never had a "reign". He never achieved total domination. There was Bisu back then and Flash nowadays.
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
May 02 2010 16:13 GMT
#33
lol..

No.
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
May 02 2010 16:16 GMT
#34
No, he's just in a bit of a slump. Even then, he's pretty convincingly #2.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-02 16:48:32
May 02 2010 16:20 GMT
#35
I saw the title and i was like "......Say what now????"

As someone said earlier, "I think JD is still JD."
InFdude
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Bulgaria619 Posts
May 02 2010 16:33 GMT
#36
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Mojawi)SoJu
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)259 Posts
May 02 2010 16:33 GMT
#37
He is in kinda slump because of Lee Young Ho I guess but Lee Jaedong stays Jaedong, the best Z player I think. I hope he will try to be closer with FlaSh about KeSPA points (FlaSh is really far away from Jaedong, something like 1000 points).
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peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
May 02 2010 16:37 GMT
#38
Jaedong's just hustling everbody. Come proleague finals, the true DONG will be revealed!
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
May 02 2010 16:37 GMT
#39
I think he's got just as much skill as flash but the maps are kinda bad for zerg and stylistically it's much easier for flash to win PL games without as much practice as it is for JD to.
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nonduc
Profile Joined May 2009
Russian Federation405 Posts
May 02 2010 16:43 GMT
#40
On May 03 2010 01:37 Ideas wrote:
I think he's got just as much skill as flash but the maps are kinda bad for zerg and stylistically it's much easier for flash to win PL games without as much practice as it is for JD to.

You stole my post! :D
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